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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    That is interesting because I have wondered about PC SA myself. I have been using it on and off for a good 7-8 years and sometimes it keeps me clear and sometimes I don't feel like it is doing anything.

    RCW, what is the ph for PSF and DY's SA and which one would you recommend for someone who has only used PC's SA? I am currently using PC SA twice a day but I don't really feel like I am getting any kind of reaction. I do have sensitive, acne prone skin. Although, my skin is super oily, it gets irritated very easily and when it does it flakes and peels like crazy. :sad8:
    PC's SA has a pH of 3.5 I believe. It's doing a little something, but not as much as DY's or PSF's SA's, which both have a pH of 1.9. Since you're sensitive, you should always start low and move up, so I would suggest you start with 2% and increase to 5% only if you need it. They're both great products (DY and PSF), so you can't go wrong with either brand.

    Thanks, the PC SA that I have been using is 3.2 ph but her SA's range from 3.2-3.4. Ok dumb question coming. I have been using PC SA(with some results but not very noticeable per say) so when I switch over to PSF or DY SA what kind of results can I expect (assuming that I am using it correctly and start at a very low gradient level)? :toothy7:
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  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    jersey curls,

    do you apply the SA and then wait 30 minutes before applying the next product? Instead of allowing your skin to neutralize the SA, your next product is doing this, so you are not seeing the results that you want.

    ETA: Results? My results: Fewer blackheads, fewer pimples, some peeling, smoother skin, fading hyper-pigmentation.
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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    Windflower wrote: »
    jersey curls,

    do you apply the SA and then wait 30 minutes before applying the next product? Instead of allowing your skin to neutralize the SA, your next product is doing this, so you are not seeing the results that you want.
    I wasn't but I have been ever since I learned that from RCW but for the most part it still hasn't seemed to make much of a difference. It almost seems like my skin has gotten "use" to it or something. :sad8:
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  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    how long has it been since you started waiting 30 minutes?

    Also, here are the results i have experienced with PSF SA:Fewer blackheads, fewer pimples, some peeling, smoother skin, fading hyper-pigmentation.
    Life shrinks or expands according to one's courage. Anais Nin
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Curl Connoisseur Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    JerseyCurl wrote: »
    That is interesting because I have wondered about PC SA myself. I have been using it on and off for a good 7-8 years and sometimes it keeps me clear and sometimes I don't feel like it is doing anything.

    RCW, what is the ph for PSF and DY's SA and which one would you recommend for someone who has only used PC's SA? I am currently using PC SA twice a day but I don't really feel like I am getting any kind of reaction. I do have sensitive, acne prone skin. Although, my skin is super oily, it gets irritated very easily and when it does it flakes and peels like crazy. :sad8:
    PC's SA has a pH of 3.5 I believe. It's doing a little something, but not as much as DY's or PSF's SA's, which both have a pH of 1.9. Since you're sensitive, you should always start low and move up, so I would suggest you start with 2% and increase to 5% only if you need it. They're both great products (DY and PSF), so you can't go wrong with either brand.

    Thanks, the PC SA that I have been using is 3.2 ph but her SA's range from 3.2-3.4. Ok dumb question coming. I have been using PC SA(with some results but not very noticeable per say) so when I switch over to PSF or DY SA what kind of results can I expect (assuming that I am using it correctly and start at a very low gradient level)? :toothy7:


    One would hope that you would achieve clearer pores, more even skin surface and a good level of skin turnover (exfoliation).

    And, yes, you do have to wait 30 minutes after the application of any leave-on acid products to allow them time to work before the skin naturally neutralizes them.

    (disclaimer: the 30 minute wait time does not apply when using high level acids as peels. Those should be neutralized at whatever the recommended time limit is.)
  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    Windflower wrote: »
    how long has it been since you started waiting 30 minutes?

    Also, here are the results i have experienced with PSF SA:Fewer blackheads, fewer pimples, some peeling, smoother skin, fading hyper-pigmentation.

    About a month or two. With the exception of the peeling, sounds like some really good results. :toothy7:
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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    JerseyCurl wrote: »
    PC's SA has a pH of 3.5 I believe. It's doing a little something, but not as much as DY's or PSF's SA's, which both have a pH of 1.9. Since you're sensitive, you should always start low and move up, so I would suggest you start with 2% and increase to 5% only if you need it. They're both great products (DY and PSF), so you can't go wrong with either brand.

    Thanks, the PC SA that I have been using is 3.2 ph but her SA's range from 3.2-3.4. Ok dumb question coming. I have been using PC SA(with some results but not very noticeable per say) so when I switch over to PSF or DY SA what kind of results can I expect (assuming that I am using it correctly and start at a very low gradient level)? :toothy7:


    One would hope that you would achieve clearer pores, more even skin surface and a good level of skin turnover (exfoliation).

    And, yes, you do have to wait 30 minutes after the application of any leave-on acid products to allow them time to work before the skin naturally neutralizes them.

    (disclaimer: the 30 minute wait time does not apply when using high level acids as peels. Those should be neutralized at whatever the recommended time limit is.)

    Well, I have noticed some softness in my skin just by using the PSF cleanser sample, the DY Emu oi and PSF HA sample but I have been using these with the PC SA and I am starting to think that that may be the dead weight in my skin care routine. :sad8:

    So, I switch over to the PSF 2% SA, how often would you recommend using it to begin with? Nightly, every other night?? Thanks again for all of your help.:toothy7:
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Curl Connoisseur Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    JerseyCurl wrote: »
    JerseyCurl wrote: »

    Thanks, the PC SA that I have been using is 3.2 ph but her SA's range from 3.2-3.4. Ok dumb question coming. I have been using PC SA(with some results but not very noticeable per say) so when I switch over to PSF or DY SA what kind of results can I expect (assuming that I am using it correctly and start at a very low gradient level)? :toothy7:


    One would hope that you would achieve clearer pores, more even skin surface and a good level of skin turnover (exfoliation).

    And, yes, you do have to wait 30 minutes after the application of any leave-on acid products to allow them time to work before the skin naturally neutralizes them.

    (disclaimer: the 30 minute wait time does not apply when using high level acids as peels. Those should be neutralized at whatever the recommended time limit is.)

    Well, I have noticed some softness in my skin just by using the PSF cleanser sample, the DY Emu oi and PSF HA sample but I have been using these with the PC SA and I am starting to think that that may be the dead weight in my skin care routine. :sad8:

    So, I switch over to the PSF 2% SA, how often would you recommend using it to begin with? Nightly, every other night?? Thanks again for all of your help.:toothy7:



    Since you are sensitive, I'd start every-other-night. If you do OK, but still want more exfoliation, then bump to every night.
  • Agent ScarlettAgent Scarlett Posts: 275Registered Users
    OMG! :crybaby:My face is on fire. I washed my face with the cleanser tonight and used a facial brush and my face started burning. So, I rinsed it off and waited about 10 minutes before putting my Retin-A on (I use .1%...have been for years) and it took everything I had not to rinse my face. I think what really screwed me was using the 5% SA earlier today (I need to work my way up to it) and using the brush. I just ordered the 2% SA. So, I'm going to skip the brush for now and maybe use the SA every other day. I thought my skin was tough enough to handle anything given that I've used many topical ointments for acne in the past! lol

    RCW, thanks for explaining the alcohol in the SA. Makes perfect sense! The PC SA is definitely not acidic enough...I really didn't think it did much for me anyway.

    I'm sure that tomorrow will be a better day now that I have a better idea of what I'm doing. I'll keep ya all posted!!
  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    AS,

    Ouch...

    How much castile cleanser are you using? Is it necessary for you to cleanse your face twice a day with cleanser? Also, since you seem to have more sensitive skin, perhaps the Green Tea Cleansing Milk may be more suited to your skin.

    ETA: When I first started using the 5% PSF SA and Retin-A, I decided to use a brush with the cleanser. Big mistake. My face was also flaming and red and sore. The next few days, I just used HA and emu oil.

    Definitely take your time.
    Life shrinks or expands according to one's courage. Anais Nin
  • Agent ScarlettAgent Scarlett Posts: 275Registered Users
    Windflower,

    I only used 1 pump of the cleanser. I usually only wash my face at night. In the morning, it only gets a splash of water. But like a kid on Christmas morning, when I saw my package with all my goodies, I got excited and decided to try the stuff. :laughing7:

    It's calmed down a bit. I mixed 2 drops of jojoba oil and 1 drop of the HA serum and put it on my skin.

    So, tomorrow morning, no cleanser just water and then the HA. In the evening, I'll cleanse and use my Retin-A. We'll see what happens...
  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    1 full pump??? Oh my...that is way too much cleanser. Try using less than a half of a half of a pump...hmmm...well, i know what i meant! :tongue5: :wink:

    basically, you will a half of a small pea size of cleanser in your hand...a very tiny amount. The bottle should last you about six months...or more.
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  • YomYom Curl Novice Posts: 1,146Registered Users Curl Novice
    Talking about how much to use.

    RCW: i use the DY WGC and since it doesn't come in a pump bottle, I use two drops. Should that be okay?

    My skin looks great by the way
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Curl Connoisseur Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Yomini wrote: »
    Talking about how much to use.

    RCW: i use the DY WGC and since it doesn't come in a pump bottle, I use two drops. Should that be okay?

    My skin looks great by the way


    DY WGC is not as concentrated as PSF's cleanser. When I use WGC, I pour a tiny little puddle in my palm. I probably need a bit more than you since I wear makeup daily. Without makeup to wash off, 2 drops would be plenty.

    Glad you're doing well. :)
  • kjean2kjean2 Posts: 145Registered Users
    Anyone have a link to a thread with RCW's routine, or, if not, would you be willing to post it RCW? I suspect you've posted it before, but I'm not having any luck finding it.

    Thanks much :wink:
  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    kjean2 wrote: »
    Anyone have a link to a thread with RCW's routine, or, if not, would you be willing to post it RCW? I suspect you've posted it before, but I'm not having any luck finding it.

    Thanks much :wink:

    there are lots of threads around with the routine...there is one in the Over 40 forum (paging RCW...newbie...) if you want more in depth information. :)

    Here are the basics:

    PSF Gentle Castile Cleanser or Green Tea Milk Cleanser (for the drier folks) Castile cleanser is very very concentrated, only a very small amount is needed. if you feel that you need additional cleaning, then wash again with a very small amount of cleanser.

    PSF 2% or 5% BHA---wait 30 minutes before applying next product

    PSF Vit C Serum---wait 10 minutes before applying moisturizer or sunscreen or makeup

    PSF HA (Hyaluronic Acid)---great moisturizer - a drop or two mixed with either ultra emu oil or jojoba oil or PSF balancing oil as a moisturizer

    PSF DMAE iff you need firming (has a fishy/ammonia type odor...order sample to be sure you like it...can also be very drying)---wait 15 to 30 minutes after applying

    I also like the Acne Clay Mask from PSF.

    If you prefer the Wheat Germ Cleanser, you can buy it from DY. She also has the ultra emu oil, BHA and Vit C.

    I prefer the products from PSF.

    Routine:

    Morning:

    Either warm wet wash cloth or cleanser choice
    DMAE - if you are using this - wait 15 to 30 minutes
    BHA - wait 30 minutes
    Vit C - wait 10 minutes
    Either: moisturize, sunscreen, makeup or all three

    Night:
    Cleanse
    BHA - if needed - wait 30 minutes
    Moisturize if needed

    Buying the cleanser, vit c, HA, BHA and balancing oil from PSF will cost approximately $125 + shipping + tax (if applicable)

    If you want to add a special element to your routine, you can purchase the Clarisonic Facial Brush (there is thread about it if you want more info).

    Keep us posted if you buy the products.
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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    Yomini wrote: »
    Talking about how much to use.

    RCW: i use the DY WGC and since it doesn't come in a pump bottle, I use two drops. Should that be okay?

    My skin looks great by the way


    DY WGC is not as concentrated as PSF's cleanser. When I use WGC, I pour a tiny little puddle in my palm. I probably need a bit more than you since I wear makeup daily. Without makeup to wash off, 2 drops would be plenty.

    Glad you're doing well. :)

    I have another question regarding the PSF Cleanser. I am loving it so far except that when I use it at night I find that it does not do a very good job of removing my mineral makeup. I currently am using the sample size and am using about the size of a dime and when mixed with a little bit of water it foams up. How much should I be using to make sure to thoroughly remove my mineral makeup? Thanks. :toothy7:
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  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    how about using a bit of jojoba oil to remove your make-up and then cleanse with the castile? are you using a facial brush?
    Life shrinks or expands according to one's courage. Anais Nin
  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    Hi all - I just wanted to chime in as I have been on the new routine for a week now. I couldn't be happier with the results! The only way I can describe it is my skin is glowy and happy.

    So happy in fact that I placed another PSF order on Wed. I decided to try the Green Tea Milk Cleanser and see how that compares to the Gentle Castile Cleanser. I may use the green tea one for the winter and the castile for the summer. I also ordered the Moisture Balancing Lotion as I fell in love with the sample.

    RCW- If you're out there, I want to thank you sooo much for all your wonderful advice ( as well as your patience with all of your pupils). You truly are a guru :flower:
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  • kjean2kjean2 Posts: 145Registered Users
    Thanks so much for the info, Windflower. It's very helpful :)
  • LilahLilah Posts: 916Registered Users
    I'm still experiencing great results from all my products:) I've been using the PSF cleanser since September and I still have half the bottle left (my husband uses it too).

    I've already gone through my first bottle of BHA since January. I started with the 2% and now I'm on the 5%.

    I rarely use my emu oil/ HA. My skin just hasn't been dry enough to need it.

    Still loving the Vitamin C:)

    I'm also using the micro-crystals 3x a week and I have the pumpkin peel that I do once a week. I'm just trying to exfoliate all of my acne scars away!

    Oh, and I also am using a facial brush that I picked up from Sephora for $5.

    I think on my next order, I'll get the acne mud mask.:)
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    Lilah - a coulple of questions for you.

    What is it that you like about the pumpkin peel?
    How did you know you were ready to move up to the 5% BHA?

    Thanks! :)
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  • Agent ScarlettAgent Scarlett Posts: 275Registered Users
    misspam wrote: »
    How did you know you were ready to move up to the 5% BHA?

    I'd also like to know! I recently bought the 5% and used it on Wednesday but it burned my skin (it's scaley, peeling, and all red :(). I ordered the 2% BHA but I'm wondering if I should return the 5% or keep it. I know everyone's skin is different but I'm wondering if I'll ever be able to work up to the stronger strength. Did either of them sting/burn when you first tried them?
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Curl Connoisseur Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    misspam wrote: »
    Hi all - I just wanted to chime in as I have been on the new routine for a week now. I couldn't be happier with the results! The only way I can describe it is my skin is glowy and happy.

    So happy in fact that I placed another PSF order on Wed. I decided to try the Green Tea Milk Cleanser and see how that compares to the Gentle Castile Cleanser. I may use the green tea one for the winter and the castile for the summer. I also ordered the Moisture Balancing Lotion as I fell in love with the sample.

    RCW- If you're out there, I want to thank you sooo much for all your wonderful advice ( as well as your patience with all of your pupils). You truly are a guru :flower:


    :)
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Curl Connoisseur Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I have another question regarding the PSF Cleanser. I am loving it so far except that when I use it at night I find that it does not do a very good job of removing my mineral makeup. I currently am using the sample size and am using about the size of a dime and when mixed with a little bit of water it foams up. How much should I be using to make sure to thoroughly remove my mineral makeup? Thanks. :toothy7:


    I find the PSF Castile doesn't work well with heavy eyemakeup, so when I'm wearing a lot of shadows/mascara, I usually remove that first with a little oil and then wash with PSF Castile. It's definitely enough to remove my mineral foundation though.
  • frxncrlsfrxncrls Curl Neophyte Posts: 252Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Routine:

    Morning:
    Either warm wet wash cloth or cleanser choice
    DMAE - if you are using this - wait 15 to 30 minutes
    BHA - wait 30 minutes
    Vit C - wait 10 minutes
    Either: moisturize, sunscreen, makeup or all three

    Night:
    Cleanse
    BHA - if needed - wait 30 minutes
    Moisturize if needed

    So DMAE is meant for use in the morning before SA.... is it okay to use it in the evening?

    What about anything for lightening dark spots.... when does that come in?
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Curl Connoisseur Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    frxncrls wrote: »
    Routine:

    Morning:
    Either warm wet wash cloth or cleanser choice
    DMAE - if you are using this - wait 15 to 30 minutes
    BHA - wait 30 minutes
    Vit C - wait 10 minutes
    Either: moisturize, sunscreen, makeup or all three

    Night:
    Cleanse
    BHA - if needed - wait 30 minutes
    Moisturize if needed

    So DMAE is meant for use in the morning before SA.... is it okay to use it in the evening?

    What about anything for lightening dark spots.... when does that come in?


    DMAE can be used at either end of the day or twice a day (if you can take the dryness it causes)...that's what I do, and I see a lot more results with twice a day than I did with once a day.

    BHA and Vit C will lighten a little bit. If you have a lot to lighten though, you should probably try Tri-Luma, which is an Rx combination product of Retin-A, 4% hydroquinone, and topical steroid product.
  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    I have another question regarding the PSF Cleanser. I am loving it so far except that when I use it at night I find that it does not do a very good job of removing my mineral makeup. I currently am using the sample size and am using about the size of a dime and when mixed with a little bit of water it foams up. How much should I be using to make sure to thoroughly remove my mineral makeup? Thanks. :toothy7:
    I find the PSF Castile doesn't work well with heavy eyemakeup, so when I'm wearing a lot of shadows/mascara, I usually remove that first with a little oil and then wash with PSF Castile. It's definitely enough to remove my mineral foundation though.

    Ok, so what am I doing wrong then because it removes some but not all. When I go to apply my bha after cleansing there is still lots of makeup that shows up on the cotton pad.

    I am only using a dime size amount of my sample, should I be using more or should I cleanse twice with the cleanser? :sad8:
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  • ZinniaZinnia Posts: 7,339Registered Users
    jerseycurl,

    do you have jojoba oil? you can use it to remove your make-up then cleanse with castile.

    by the way, to save SA/BHA, you can apply directly to your face without using a cotton pad. if it didn't come with a dropper bottle, i would invest in a glass dropper bottle to use with the BHA. :)
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  • JerseyCurlJerseyCurl Posts: 945Registered Users
    JerseyCurl wrote: »
    I have another question regarding the PSF Cleanser. I am loving it so far except that when I use it at night I find that it does not do a very good job of removing my mineral makeup. I currently am using the sample size and am using about the size of a dime and when mixed with a little bit of water it foams up. How much should I be using to make sure to thoroughly remove my mineral makeup? Thanks. :toothy7:
    I find the PSF Castile doesn't work well with heavy eyemakeup, so when I'm wearing a lot of shadows/mascara, I usually remove that first with a little oil and then wash with PSF Castile. It's definitely enough to remove my mineral foundation though.

    Ok, so what am I doing wrong then because it removes some but not all. When I go to apply my bha after cleansing there is still lots of makeup that shows up on the cotton pad.

    I am only using a dime size amount of my sample, should I be using more or should I cleanse twice with the cleanser? :sad8:
    bumping for RCW...
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