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Why no thread on Benghazi?

poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
This is big news y'all. I'm curious to hear some of the more liberals thoughts on this topic.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Why? It's not a political issue. Also, I believe there was a thread about it back when it happened two months ago.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    But the hearings are happening now.
  • anonymous_22139anonymous_22139 Posts: 659Registered Users
    Nothin' to see here, folks - just move along.:bunny:
  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    Thats what I thought.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Subtlety for the win!
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  • emthefantasticalemthefantastical Posts: 962Registered Users
    I'd like to talk to conservatives about the seven embassy and consulate attacks that happened under the Bush administration. But oh wait, we don't like to talk about those because it's easier to white wash history and after one embassy attack put all the blame on the black president instead of the terrorists who attacked.
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  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Why? It's not a political issue. Also, I believe there was a thread about it back when it happened two months ago.

    Yes, there was - I recall being attacked vociferously by the not-so-dearly departed Blackbanjogirl for pointing out that 1) it was not an embassy/consulate, but a CIA outpost (a fact inadvertently revealed by Issa's hearings); 2) the CIA had attributed the attack to a "spontaneous protest" in its Sept 15 intelligence assessment, which was the basis for UN Ambassador Susan Rice's statements on the matter; 3) the CIA was responsible for providing security at the site, and the failure to do so is ultimately CIA Director David Petraeus' (yes, THAT David Petraeus) tragic error.

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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    I'd like to talk to conservatives about the seven embassy and consulate attacks that happened under the Bush administration. But oh wait, we don't like to talk about those because it's easier to white wash history and after one embassy attack put all the blame on the black president instead of the terrorists who attacked.

    Whose placing blame? I'm just wondering if you can believe that two weeks after the attack he still hadn't been clued in that it was indeed a terrorist attack, not a flash mob as the result of a video? Nobody told him?
  • CocoTCocoT Posts: 5,330Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'd like to talk to conservatives about the seven embassy and consulate attacks that happened under the Bush administration. But oh wait, we don't like to talk about those because it's easier to white wash history and after one embassy attack put all the blame on the black president instead of the terrorists who attacked.

    Whose placing blame? I'm just wondering if you can believe that two weeks after the attack he still hadn't been clued in that it was indeed a terrorist attack, not a flash mob as the result of a video? Nobody told him?

    He called it a terrorist attack.


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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    CocoT wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'd like to talk to conservatives about the seven embassy and consulate attacks that happened under the Bush administration. But oh wait, we don't like to talk about those because it's easier to white wash history and after one embassy attack put all the blame on the black president instead of the terrorists who attacked.

    Whose placing blame? I'm just wondering if you can believe that two weeks after the attack he still hadn't been clued in that it was indeed a terrorist attack, not a flash mob as the result of a video? Nobody told him?

    He called it a terrorist attack.


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    He did?
  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'd like to talk to conservatives about the seven embassy and consulate attacks that happened under the Bush administration. But oh wait, we don't like to talk about those because it's easier to white wash history and after one embassy attack put all the blame on the black president instead of the terrorists who attacked.

    Whose placing blame? I'm just wondering if you can believe that two weeks after the attack he still hadn't been clued in that it was indeed a terrorist attack, not a flash mob as the result of a video? Nobody told him?

    So what did Obama mean by "acts of terror" in the Rose Garden on Sept 12? Or twice thereafter over the next 2 weeks (don't have the specific dates right now as I'm on my cell, but I can look it up later)?

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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    I'm sure the house and the senate will get to the bottom of it. The truth will come out either for or against Obama.
  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm sure the house and the senate will get to the bottom of it. The truth will come out either for or against Obama.

    Bottom of what? I'm a bit confused.

    I'm sorry, but its friday and my brain is shutting down early.
  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm sure the house and the senate will get to the bottom of it. The truth will come out either for or against Obama.

    It already is coming out, which is why the Petraeus Affair(s) broke now. The look on Peter King's face after Petraeus testified yesterday said it all - shellshocked. The hearings were intended to ensnare Obama, but instead have taken down a military hero and likely GOP presidential candidate in 2016.

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  • CocoTCocoT Posts: 5,330Registered Users
    I'm confused about why this is still the primary topic of interest among the conservative circle. What exactly is the issue here as it applies to the Obama Administration? Besides the fact that 4 people were killed. He called it an act of terror. What else is the issue?
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Focusing on it is easier than fixing the current mess in the GOP.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    What Obama knew and when he knew it.
  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?
  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    thelio wrote: »
    kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?

    In fairness, there was an exhaustive investigation conducted by a bipartisan commission after 9/11.

    NOLA was another matter altogether. Unconscionable.

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  • theliothelio Posts: 5,374Registered Users
    yossarian wrote: »
    thelio wrote: »
    kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?

    In fairness, there was an exhaustive investigation conducted by a bipartisan commission after 9/11.

    NOLA was another matter altogether. Unconscionable.

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    true about 9/11.

    But I'm still waiting for him and his cronies to stand in front of a La. judge. I wont hold my breath. thanks for trying Hilary.

    oh well, continue on.
  • CocoTCocoT Posts: 5,330Registered Users
    Ok I spent some time doing some research about this and all this controversy seems to be stemming from what Obama called this situation. Whether or not he called it terrorism and what he meant by "act of terror", because to those don't mean the same thing to some people. I really don't get it.

    4 people died. Why does it matter so much what this tragedy is called? What more do they want Obama to do? Give up his seat? I'm sure that's what the republicans want. Maybe he should start closing embassies. And despite this being an unfortunate event (aka tragedy), this was no September 11, 2001. I'm just not that pressed about this.
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  • mad scientistmad scientist Posts: 3,530Registered Users
    I think that the assassination of diplomats abroad is a really big deal. There was obviously a failing in intelligence or really bad judgement involved in placing the US ambassador somewhere he couldn't be kept safe. There needs to be a thorough investigation of how this happened and preventative measures to avoid another such.attack.

    That said, I'm not even remotely concerned with what Obama or Rice said or didn't say about it after the fact. This isn't a partisan issue. The breakdown in security and intelligence happened *before* the attacks.

    ETA: I don't really see why national security happenings are a matter for public discussion. They are supposed to be secret for reason.
  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    thelio wrote: »
    kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?

    Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
  • yossarianyossarian Posts: 967Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.

    Seriously? Bush didn't claim nobody could have seen 9/11 coming (the Aug 6 intelligence briefing, the 1993 WTC bombing, and similar plots notwithstanding)? He didn't state that Saddam Hussein had WMDs that could be given to terrorists to be used against us ("we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud")?

    Bush lied, 5000+ American soldiers died. (not to mention 150000 Iraqi civilians.) Where is your outrage?

    The info came from the CIA. Direct your ire where the evidence proves it belongs.

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  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    I'd put a hell if a lot more stock in the claims the GOP is making about this incident if the GOP wasn't doing this only because of who our president is. But they've already stated and shown that their only concern is making President Obama fail, by any means necessary, no matter what effect it has on the country as a whole.

    Those who are more concerned with the President failing than they are with the county succeeding have lost all credibility, as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what party they're part of.
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  • Who Me?Who Me? Posts: 3,181Registered Users
    Can someone explain the basics of this situation to me, or point me in the right direction? What actually happened, what is Obama saying happened, and what the GOP is trying to make of the situation? On who the key players are?
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Fact check has a good but lengthy article about it.

    FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline
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  • Who Me?Who Me? Posts: 3,181Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    Fact check has a good but lengthy article about it.

    FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline

    Thanks!
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  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    poisonivy wrote: »
    thelio wrote: »
    kinda like how much did bush really knew about the 9/11 attacks? Or if Bush was made aware of the situation in New Orleans after Katrina and just decided to ignore our cries for help?

    Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.
    This statement is such a crock of ***** that I can't believe it could have been written with a straight face. Please tell me you were joking. Bush absolutely did mislead the American public about 9/11. He either did it on purpose or he is a complete and utter moron. Take your pick.
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  • NarniaNarnia Posts: 1,770Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »

    Bush didn't try to spin a made up story about the Twin Towers attacks intentionally to mislead the american public and Obama isn't doing a much better job on the east coast right now. It's an absolute disaster.

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