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DevaCurl: Can This Really Be It?

wavegoodbyewavehellowavegoodbyewavehello Posts: 3Registered Users
in General Discussion about Curly Hair
Just did my first round of devacurl products: Low-poo followed up by One Condition, then scrunched through with Angell and man am I disappointed.

Not only is my hair not curling, it's also frizzed up into a giant pyramid shape that I was utterly unaware it could even make. On the plus side, it does look awfully shiny, but the texture, curl pattern and the fly-aways are just awful.

I've been using mostly products with sulfates and cones, so this is my 1st foray into low sulfate shampoos and conditioners. I have wavy / curly 2b hair and Aveda Be Curly has worked great to get curls in the past -- but if I can get good results with a low-sulfate routine, I'd prefer it.

For those of you that tried DevaCurl, was there an adjustment period for your hair where it temporarily looked fried before settling into lovely curls? Also, if it did work for you, how long did it take to kick in?

Thanks!!

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  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    I started my CG routine last week with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-No-Poo-p-53.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-nopoo]DevaCurl NoPoo[/buylink] and One Condish. After I styled my hair with ArcAnGel and used the Set Up & Above. My hair looked moisturized and was less frizzy than when I was using sulfates and cones, but it felt dry. The next day, I used NP and OC as a R/O and then I put some OC in as at LI, then followed with Set Up & Above and my hair was softer and less frizzy. For me, I think my hair does not like the glycerin in the ArcAnGel. After a week of doing this, my hair has become less frizzy each day. My hair is very dry and thirsty so I need a lot of moisture to smooth it and combat the frizz. It is still not perfect, but I think with continued use it will get there. My sister has been using NP and OC for months and her hair is definitely frizz free. So to answer you question, yes, I would say there was a transition period.

    I actually like the Deva Concepts products. I also forced my husband who has extremely dry, strawlike 3c/4a curls to go CO with DevaCare NoPoo and One Condish. He uses ArcAnGel and Set Up & Above and his hair is soft and frizz free. After a week he now has cute soft pencil curls that I can run my fingers through. I suggest you try using the One Condish as a LI and play with the quantities of product. With the Angel, definitely less is best. I also read somewhere on NC that ArcAnGel is less drying than AnGel.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The salon I go to has Deva products and I started out with them. Then I found this website and left them far behind. You'll find a love/hate relationship with Deva on this website. My hair likes the more natural products, like Curl Junkie, Komaza, Kinky Curly and Donna Marie. I'll pm you.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • tycho19tycho19 Posts: 805Registered Users
    wavegoodbyewavehello wrote: »
    Just did my first round of devacurl products: Low-poo followed up by One Condition, then scrunched through with Angell and man am I disappointed.

    Not only is my hair not curling, it's also frizzed up into a giant pyramid shape that I was utterly unaware it could even make. On the plus side, it does look awfully shiny, but the texture, curl pattern and the fly-aways are just awful.

    I've been using mostly products with sulfates and cones, so this is my 1st foray into low sulfate shampoos and conditioners. I have wavy / curly 2b hair and Aveda Be Curly has worked great to get curls in the past -- but if I can get good results with a low-sulfate routine, I'd prefer it.

    For those of you that tried DevaCurl, was there an adjustment period for your hair where it temporarily looked fried before settling into lovely curls? Also, if it did work for you, how long did it take to kick in?

    Thanks!!
    No-poo was too heavy for me (2b) and low poo was better. Actually, I liked that the best out of everything in that line. Hated the one c, gave me no moisture at all! Was not impressed with angell either!
    2B/2C wavy
    Don't Breed and Buy While Shelter Dogs Die - Adopt your next best friend!
  • bettinflabettinfla Posts: 389Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I also started CG using Deva and was up in NJ going to a Deva Stylist -- once those products were finished, I followed others recommendations on this site and was much happier with my hair. Deva just didn't work for me -- weighed my hair down. I am still always trying new products but that's just the PJ in me -- hair almost always looks the same to me, but healthier and I love the homemade FSG -- that works well and is fun and challenging to make w/additions.
    Homemade FSG, CK, KCCC and BRHG. Co wash w/Suave, or soap bars (occasionally) or Come Clean (Kinky Curly).
  • wavegoodbyewavehellowavegoodbyewavehello Posts: 3Registered Users
    Thanks ladies, some good suggestions!

    I gave the DevaCurl products another go around this morning -- this time leaving in some of the 1C -- better results than yesterday but still far worse than what I was getting with sulfates and silicone.

    I'm going to give them a week or so to be sure, but right now I'm suspecting that like most of you I'll be abandoning at least some of these as well. The Angell in particular, I suspect is the culprit behind the ridiculous amount of dryness in my hair right now.

    Also, Bettinfla, how do I make FSG? Do you have a recipe? Thanks!
  • nancytmccnancytmcc Posts: 103Registered Users
    Hi and welcome to CG!!
    My 2b hair hated Deva products. The only two I use now are the Set It Free and Mister Right. And sometimes I hate the Set It Free--if I use a little too much my hair is product-y and stiff.
    Keep searching around and try other lines--there are a ton of them. Find a "hair twin" (someone with hair qualities similar to yours--it is helpful to look on the "2" threads) and follow what they use.
    I am currently loving homemade FSG (from Botticelli Botanicals), Komaza coconut pudding, Goddess Glaze and Paul Brown Gelatine Goo as my stylers (not all at once, of course). I particularly hated the Deva gels--I tried both the Angell and ArcAngell and found them drying with little hold.
    Good luck!
    Hair type: 2b, wavy/curly, color treated, fine texture but high density
    Modified CG since 6/14/09
    Products currently rotating: Organic soap bars, ACV rinse, KBB milk, Fuzzy duck gel, BB Gelee, KCCC, Komaza curl pudding, Goddess Glaze, Mop Top shampoo and condish, Gelatine Goo, Burt's Bees More Moisture condish.
    I think my hair likes protein!!
  • JessiWantsCurlsJessiWantsCurls Posts: 6Registered Users
    nancytmcc wrote: »
    Hi and welcome to CG!!
    My 2b hair hated Deva products. The only two I use now are the Set It Free and Mister Right. And sometimes I hate the Set It Free--if I use a little too much my hair is product-y and stiff.
    Keep searching around and try other lines--there are a ton of them. Find a "hair twin" (someone with hair qualities similar to yours--it is helpful to look on the "2" threads) and follow what they use.
    I am currently loving homemade FSG (from Botticelli Botanicals), Komaza coconut pudding, Goddess Glaze and Paul Brown Gelatine Goo as my stylers (not all at once, of course). I particularly hated the Deva gels--I tried both the Angell and ArcAngell and found them drying with little hold.
    Good luck!
    Hope it is okay if I jump in here, but when you write "Homemade FSG (from Botticelli Botanicals)," is this a product from Botticelli Botanicals, or did you make this yourself? I'm getting ready to try to make one of the recipes I found on the board, but I was wondering if you can also purchase the FSG??? Thanks!
  • nancytmccnancytmcc Posts: 103Registered Users
    Yes, you can purchase the most wonderful FSG from one of the board members here, named Botticelli Babe. She has an Etsy Shop, not sure how to get the link on here but maybe you can PM her here and ask her to send you the link. I hate to cook, and the last thing I wanted to do is have to cook something for my hair! So when I discovered Botticelli Botanicals, I have been a happy camper. Her stuff is wonderful, and she puts customized add-ins for you into the batch.
    Maybe someday I will learn to cook my own, but for now I am a BB fan!
    Hope that helps!
    Hair type: 2b, wavy/curly, color treated, fine texture but high density
    Modified CG since 6/14/09
    Products currently rotating: Organic soap bars, ACV rinse, KBB milk, Fuzzy duck gel, BB Gelee, KCCC, Komaza curl pudding, Goddess Glaze, Mop Top shampoo and condish, Gelatine Goo, Burt's Bees More Moisture condish.
    I think my hair likes protein!!
  • *Angela**Angela* Posts: 251Registered Users
    Here's the link to her Etsy shop

    http://www.BotticelliBotanicals.etsy.com
    3b. Normal porosity. Medium texture. Low elasticity.

    CONDITIONERS: GVP The Detangler, Tresemme Naturals Nourishing, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Hibiscus & Banana Honey Butta, Suave Pomegranate Splash, KC Knot Today

    LEAVE-IN: Shea Moisture Shea Butter (LOVE!)

    STYLERS: CJ Curl Queen (LOVE!), Biotera Gel, LA Looks Sports Gel, AOMM
  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    nancytmcc wrote: »
    Hope it is okay if I jump in here, but when you write "Homemade FSG (from Botticelli Botanicals)," is this a product from Botticelli Botanicals, or did you make this yourself? I'm getting ready to try to make one of the recipes I found on the board, but I was wondering if you can also purchase the FSG??? Thanks!

    Here is the link to Botticelli Botanicals.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=6934569

    I tried to PM BB but did not hear back. I also contacted her on her etsy site and she responded very quickly. I think its best to "Contact Botticelli Botanicals" on the etsy site because she gets a notification with every "contact". I am about to order my first batch of BB FSG and am so excited. Wish me luck!
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • freshwaterpearlfreshwaterpearl Posts: 305Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Deva products did not work for me. It left me with frizzy, dry hair. There is an abundance of great products out on the market. If you dont want to waste your money you can always purchase samples from kathymack she has a great variety.
  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It often takes hair a couple of weeks or more to adjust to the new routine. One thing you might consider, though, is whether you did a final wash with your old shampoo to get the silicones off your hair. If you didn't, they could be preventing the moisture from getting into your hair. So you may need to clarify with the old poo or a baking soda cleanse.

    I personally have a love/hate relationship with the Deva products. Some are fantastic for me (like LoPoo, B'LeaveIn, and the pomade they just phased out), and some bring out the worst in my hair (and I've found most of those products new homes). NoPoo and OneCondition have not met my keep and use up criteria.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    The Deva products were the first CG products I tried as well. I was devastated that my hair looked so craptastic - I kinda assumed they were "it".

    They are not for me, nor for alot of other curlies. Look for curlies with hair like yours and try what they use.
    Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot:geek:
    3miii/My HGs tame bulk&frizz/Give definition w/o crunch
    My Photobucket Album
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Most of the Deva line doesn't work for me at all. The only thing I use is the Deva No-Poo, and even that I have to mix up with other cleansers.

    It helps to find people with hair similar to yours and try what's working for them.

    ETA: Ha, rudeechick and I think alike!
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Most of the Deva line doesn't work for me at all. The only thing I use is the Deva No-Poo, and even that I have to mix up with other cleansers.

    It helps to find people with hair similar to yours and try what's working for them.

    ETA: Ha, rudeechick and I think alike!
    :laughing8:
    Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot:geek:
    3miii/My HGs tame bulk&frizz/Give definition w/o crunch
    My Photobucket Album
  • wavegoodbyewavehellowavegoodbyewavehello Posts: 3Registered Users
    Hmmm....may have been a little hasty blaming the Angell -- I left it out today in preference for Jessicurl's Rocking Ringlets and while better it was still unimpressive -- I think the real problem may be the One Condition. Has anyone had any luck pairing the Low-poo with a different conditioner?

    I will admit the curl pattern is tighter than usual using DevaCurl -- but the increased frizziness everywhere but the crown of the head and the resulting triangle isn't doing me any favors.
  • hauptajhauptaj Posts: 122Registered Users
    What exactly is it about Deva products that makes some people's hair frizz? Is it proteins? I've never had a problem with any products so far, so when I just went to a Deva stylist I bought the Low-Poo and One Condition because I love the way they smell. My hair looked good for a week and now it seems to be frizzy. I'm thinking it must be the Deva products since I'm using the same other products (CHS CK & [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Gel-p-45.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-gel]CHS gel[/buylink]). I don't want to invest money in other products that might do the same thing! Any other products that behave similarly???
    3a/b
    co-wash: Kirkland (Costco) Hydrating Conditioner
    low-poo: DevaCurl Low-Poo
    conditioner: Giovanni Deeper Moisture Smooth as Silk
    leave-in: Giovanni Direct Leave in
    styling: Botticelli Botanicals FSG, FOTE Aloe Vera Gel, Pink Boots, Batia & Aleeza Bio-Herbal Mineral Sculpting Gel, CHS Tweek, Curlisto Unruly Paste
    Fine to normal texture with normal porosity
    http://public.fotki.com/hauptaj/
    password: curly
  • p.s.p.s. Posts: 51Registered Users
    hauptaj wrote: »
    What exactly is it about Deva products that makes some people's hair frizz? Is it proteins? I've never had a problem with any products so far, so when I just went to a Deva stylist I bought the Low-Poo and One Condition because I love the way they smell. My hair looked good for a week and now it seems to be frizzy. I'm thinking it must be the Deva products since I'm using the same other products (CHS CK & [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Gel-p-45.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-gel]CHS gel[/buylink]). I don't want to invest money in other products that might do the same thing! Any other products that behave similarly???

    In my case I concluded that it was the Angell that caused the frizz (scary ugly frizz). When I switched to flaxseed gel it improved 100% (with No-poo and One).

    Some more experienced CGs have mentioned to me that Angell should only be used in hair that is in excelent shape already.

    Wavegoodbyewavehello, you also mentioned transition time - for me it tok over two months after starting GC (with Deva or other products) to start getting some sort of decent hair (mainyl, because of frizz). I guess it depends on the state each person´s hair was before CG?

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    Hair Type:3b (I think); Very thick & Lots of it

    Hair Loves: Gels
    Hair Hates: The Wind, My Hands, Leave-in Conditioner

    I hate about my hair: Frizz, Fluff
    I love about my hair: Fat Curls, Shine

    Product File: No Sulfates, No Cones
    Favourite Product Ever: Flaxseed Gel
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Morgan_Adcock wrote: »
    It often takes hair a couple of weeks or more to adjust to the new routine. One thing you might consider, though, is whether you did a final wash with your old shampoo to get the silicones off your hair. If you didn't, they could be preventing the moisture from getting into your hair. So you may need to clarify with the old poo or a baking soda cleanse.

    I personally have a love/hate relationship with the Deva products. Some are fantastic for me (like LoPoo, B'LeaveIn, and the pomade they just phased out), and some bring out the worst in my hair (and I've found most of those products new homes). NoPoo and OneCondition have not met my keep and use up criteria.

    I agree with M.A. Rather than sticking with a commonly sold brand, try a variety of products, and feel free to mix them up.

    Deva was not the best for my hair (also a 2c).
  • curlsgirlbrazilcurlsgirlbrazil Posts: 234Registered Users
    bump
    :thumright::love1:
    3b/a


    I like my microfiber towel and plopping

    http://clubedoscachos.blogspot.com/
    No comb,blow-fried, sulfates,silicones detangle Only the [/SIZE]fingers!!

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