Had You Heard About The Compton Cookout Thing At UCSD?

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I hate people sometimes:
An event organized by several fraternaties at UCSD has been condemned by the college's administration after advertising an event called a "Compton Cookout" to mock Black History Month. An invitation to the event posted on Facebook invited students to a party held at a condominium near campus at which attendees were encouraged to wear "urban" clothing (by brands such as FUBU, to speak loudly and to eat foods such as watermelon, chicken and malt liquor.

UCSD Chancellor Marye Anne Fox dubbed the party "offensive" and an "[act] of discrimination."

On February 18, 2010, a dozen California lawmakers condemned the invitation and asked for an investigation into the cookout event. Assemblyman Isadore Hall, whose district includes the city of Compton, called the invitation "a blatant and hurtful act of racism, sexism and hate."
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The official event invitation, posted on Facebook, notes that February - typically observed as Black History Month - is very important. It goes on to invite attendees to a Compton Cookout on behalf of "the Regents community."

The invitation specifies the type of attire attendees should wear, recommending White T's, anything by FUBU, Ecko, Rockawear and "stunner shades" for men. It then goes on to describe so-called "ghetto chicks" as those who "usually have gold teeth, start fights and drama and wear cheap clothes..." and well as individuals with "a very limited vocabulary."

Food is described as '40s, kegs of Natural Light (also known as "Natty") and Purple Drank, a reference to an intoxicating beverage made with cough syrup, popularized during the height of hip-hop's "crunk" fad.

The invitation ends with an entreaty to "come on and come all, make ya self before we break ya self, keep strapped, get yo shine on and join us for a day party to be remembered - or not.

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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 12,227Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Outrageous. What is wrong with people?
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,754Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Seriously?
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  • kenzie!kenzie! Posts: 5,055Registered Users
    What the hell is wrong with people?? :sad3:
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    Wow

    This is a coincidence, because I hadn't even heard about the cookout incident until I read this today:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35610103/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Some students countered that the reaction to the party had been overblown. Others accused the campus Black Student Union of using it to push demands for more black professors and funding for ethnic studies.

    Last week, the Associated Students president pulled funding from a student-run TV station after The Koala — a campus media outlet with a reputation for being offensive — came out in support of the party, called black students ungrateful and used a derogatory term for African-Americans during a program.

    Are they f*ckin serious? How are they using it to push for these things? Did the black students create the party idea? Hell no. They were victim to it. And these are things the whole campus should be working toward anyway. Maybe if they had an ethnic studies program, folks wouldn't be hanging nooses.

    And they're ungrateful?! That's rich. As much racism that's going on there. Then they threw in a racial slur to boot. This school sounds awesome.

    I really think people are laxed about racism and other isms when they have no experience being the other. Some of them don't realize, that one day they may not be the majority.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I've heard of other parties like this. I can't figure out what the appeal is. I guess they just think it's fun to mock Black people with ridiculous stereotypes. Maybe it has to do with breaking social taboos, too?
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    I've heard of other parties like this. I can't figure out what the appeal is. I guess they just think it's fun to mock Black people with ridiculous stereotypes. Maybe it has to do with breaking social taboos, too?

    Even if it is, that's just not the way to go about it. One of my BFFs dressed up as a guy for Halloween. It was sort of a costume, sort of just genderf*cking. That was totally fine. But she dressed as a guy with a different ethnic background. I won't say race, b/c "he" is Latino. I found that odd and don't really agree. I know it wasn't meant to be offensive, but I find it inappropriate. I've never asked her why he (he's kind of a fixture now lol) is Latin b/c I assume its just about being someone else for a day, and experimenting with drag. But its just not to be done IMO.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    I've heard of other parties like this. I can't figure out what the appeal is. I guess they just think it's fun to mock Black people with ridiculous stereotypes. Maybe it has to do with breaking social taboos, too?
    Even if it is, that's just not the way to go about it.
    Oh well yeah, obviously! I'm just trying to figure out why people would enjoy having a minstrel-show party. It's such a bizarre thing to do.

    I posted here before about a bunch of college kids who got high under my window and spent about an hour basically putting on a minstrel show. "Hey, let's talk/walk/dance like n*****s!" It's just... bizarre. And it was pretty scary to see people act so intensely, yet casually, hateful.

    As for your friend, Latino men are stereotyped as hypermasculine. So maybe that's why she chose to make her drag persona Latino. (Again, this is just an explanation--not a justification.)
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    I've heard of other parties like this. I can't figure out what the appeal is. I guess they just think it's fun to mock Black people with ridiculous stereotypes. Maybe it has to do with breaking social taboos, too?
    Even if it is, that's just not the way to go about it.
    Oh well yeah, obviously! I'm just trying to figure out why people would enjoy having a minstrel-show party. It's such a bizarre thing to do.

    I posted here before about a bunch of college kids who got high under my window and spent about an hour basically putting on a minstrel show. "Hey, let's talk/walk/dance like n*****s!" It's just... bizarre. And it was pretty scary to see people act so intensely, yet casually, hateful.

    As for your friend, Latino men are stereotyped as hypermasculine. So maybe that's why she chose to make her drag persona Latino. (Again, this is just an explanation--not a justification.)

    Oh I agree. I just find it off color to dress up as a different ethnicity. And your story reminded me of something else. Here's another anecdote lol...

    When I was in high school, my friends and I were sitting on the stairs and some upperclassmen were on the steps above us. They were talking very valley girl (boy)esque and we were making fun of them to ourselves. We didn't think they could hear us, but they did. I was making fun of their excessive use of "dude" and "like" and one of them yelled down "n*gger." I just about fell out of my skin. Idk if he thought I was making fun of white people but half of our group sitting there was white, so that seems odd.

    Of course I was wrong for making fun, but I certainly wasn't making fun of them because they were white and since my white friends were laughing along with me, I have a hard time believing he thought it was just a big ol "gang up on white people" situation :error:
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    After students protested the school's slow response to the party, other students launched a backlash that included hanging a noose in the library :(

    More details here.
  • ursulaursula Posts: 1,461Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I heard about the noose but not the party that started this whole thing. I'm not terribly surprised that something like this happened on a college campus--as Eilonwy mentioned, there's been a history of this sort of thing lately--but I genuinely did not know that the racial climate at UCSD was so toxic. It might be a generalization, but I would imagine that you'd find racial incidents in southern schools (like Jena High School) more frequently.

    I also heard that the girl who put the noose up was suspended. I think she should be expelled.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    What bothers me about this-- besides EVERYTHING-- is that there are still people defending them. "It's not any worse than having a white trash party," or "It's the first amendment, they can say what they want," or "The demands that the students of color are making at UCSD are racist."
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  • wild_sasparillawild_sasparilla Posts: 4,306Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    What bothers me about this-- besides EVERYTHING-- is that there are still people defending them. "It's not any worse than having a white trash party," or "It's the first amendment, they can say what they want," or "The demands that the students of color are making at UCSD are racist."

    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist. :goofy: I have to admit, since UCSD is so close to me, it's more of a shock to see this kind of isht going on there than if it were at a southern school. It just makes me think, in the freaking UC system, how do people like this get in? They don't seem to have any grasp of logic...that, and they're scary.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist.
    Virtually all hate speech is. I think that to fall outside of the First Amendment, speech has to be very likely to incite imminent violent action.

    The "Compton" party is definitely protected under the First Amendment.
  • wild_sasparillawild_sasparilla Posts: 4,306Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist.
    Virtually all hate speech is. I think that to fall outside of the First Amendment, speech has to be very likely to incite imminent violent action.

    Dang. Guess that explains how the KKK still has a public presence in some places.:sad11:
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Dang. Guess that explains how the KKK still has a public presence in some places.:sad11:
    Yeah, there are other ways that speech can fall outside the First Amendment, like fraudulent claims about a product's efficacy. But inciting imminent violence is probably the only one that applies to hate speech.

    The American concept of free speech is very different from what a lot of European countries have. Stuff like the KKK and the Westboro Church would be illegal in many other countries. On paper, the US probably protects more speech than nearly any other country--perhaps any country.
  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,391Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ursula wrote: »
    I genuinely did not know that the racial climate at UCSD was so toxic.
    I've read that only 1.3% of the students at UCSD are Black. I've also heard that everyone there immediately knew which frat did this, because its members have a reputation for being horrible people.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist.
    Virtually all hate speech is. I think that to fall outside of the First Amendment, speech has to be very likely to incite imminent violent action.

    The "Compton" party is definitely protected under the First Amendment.

    It's not that it's protected speech that bothers me. What bothers me is that people hide behind it as a way to defend them when truthfully they don't give a crap about the first amendment.
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  • mandatoryfunmandatoryfun Posts: 878Registered Users
    My boyfriend went to UCSD before dropping out to join the Navy. No wonder he hated it.

    Of course, I don't think this type of racial climate is isolated to only a few university campuses. I go to a small liberal arts college in upstate New York where the students are VERY liberal. (How liberal? In presidential elections, more students vote for the Green Party over any given Republican candidate.)

    On my supposedly progressive campus, we've had two separate noose incidents since I came here in September 2007—one tied in a residential building, another hung in front of a black professor's office. Last year a mini-course promised to teach students how to pick up women of different cultures--the lesson plan ended up being entirely based in racial stereotypes. A year or two before I came here, someone had drawn a giant swastika on the wall of a residence hall. Around that same time a publication by one of our student organizations accused black and homosexual students of preventing true diversity on campus by confining themselves to the "ghettos" of their respective student centers. And as the opinions editor of our school paper, I usually get something completely racist, sexist or otherwise needlessly hateful every few weeks.

    All I mean to say is: This doesn't surprise me, and I think this sort of thing is way more common on college campuses across the U.S than we are currently aware. Of course, I only have my limited experience. But I sure as hell didn't expect to encounter any racist sentiment here, nevermind so much of it!

    I agree with MUCC...I think a lot of these kids just don't realize that this stuff is beyond offensive. Incidents like this only demonstrate why we need to have a race and/or ethnicity requirement in college curricula.
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  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users Curl Neophyte

    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist. :goofy:

    Not trying to be sarcastic, but when/where has there been "white trash parties"? I've honestly never heard of one going on...
    My boyfriend went to UCSD before dropping out to join the Navy. No wonder he hated it.

    Of course, I don't think this type of racial climate is isolated to only a few university campuses. I go to a small liberal arts college in upstate New York where the students are VERY liberal. (How liberal? In presidential elections, more students vote for the Green Party over any given Republican candidate.)

    On my supposedly progressive campus, we've had two separate noose incidents since I came here in September 2007—one tied in a residential building, another hung in front of a black professor's office. Last year a mini-course promised to teach students how to pick up women of different cultures--the lesson plan ended up being entirely based in racial stereotypes. A year or two before I came here, someone had drawn a giant swastika on the wall of a residence hall. Around that same time a publication by one of our student organizations accused black and homosexual students of preventing true diversity on campus by confining themselves to the "ghettos" of their respective student centers. And as the opinions editor of our school paper, I usually get something completely racist, sexist or otherwise needlessly hateful every few weeks.

    All I mean to say is: This doesn't surprise me, and I think this sort of thing is way more common on college campuses across the U.S than we are currently aware. Of course, I only have my limited experience. But I sure as hell didn't expect to encounter any racist sentiment here, nevermind so much of it!

    I agree with MUCC...I think a lot of these kids just don't realize that this stuff is beyond offensive. Incidents like this only demonstrate why we need to have a race and/or ethnicity requirement in college curricula.

    Yup, when I was studying at Manhattanville, a lot of my friends hung out at SUNY Purchase (which is practically next door). I remember hearing 2 things that stuck out to me. One was that they had Drag Balls (they're known for being VERY liberal) and the other was that some students had swastikas on their dorm room windows. But unfortunately, I have been *most* offended by professor's language/ideas in classes on race/ethnicity. At Hunter College, there is a Pluralism/Diversity Requirement. But some of the professors there need to take a class themselves :idea1:

    One example was when I took a class that was actually called "Race and Ethnicity." The teacher said something offensive the FIRST day. I can't even remember what it was but I could never get passed it enough to respect her. In my Dominican Identity class, the professor (who was homophobic btw) used to always make stereotypical comments about Dominicans. Umm WTF?! I'm not saying all professors are like this, but I've had some of the worst experiences in classes that were aimed to teach tolerance/educate about different ethnic groups. I feel like colleges should have some required class that is taught by an expert who doesn't work for the college. Someone who goes from campus to campus teaching people about tolerance.

    Mandatory: Was the mini class something that the students created or was it taught by your school? It was about picking up women?!
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  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users Curl Novice

    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist. :goofy:

    Not trying to be sarcastic, but when/where has there been "white trash parties"? I've honestly never heard of one going on...
    I've heard of white trash parties going on (never been to one) but I've only heard of white people giving them or going to them.

    I really don't understand what made these people think this was okay. Free speech is one thing, but if turned out this party was a university or fraternity-sanctioned event, it would fall under racial discrimination policies, I would think. (Sort of like how we can't have this sort of thing at work.)

    It was interesting how the frats distanced themselves from the organizers of the party and said it wasn't sanctioned.
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  • mandatoryfunmandatoryfun Posts: 878Registered Users
    Mandatory: Was the mini class something that the students created or was it taught by your school? It was about picking up women?!

    Mini-courses are classes that are taught by other students with basically zero supervision. Usually they're pretty innocent and kind of random—a beer/wine tasting class, photography, Dungeons & Dragons fundamentals, or maybe a class that teaches the basics of Linux. The course in question was called "Language of the Ladies." From that semester's mini-course catalog:
    This course aims to take a critical look at dating across lingual/cultural barriers. Experts in each local will be brought in to the class for instructional purposes. Coming out of this class students should feel informed enough about different mating rituals to approach women of different national backgrounds.
    A lot of people wondered how the hell this course was approved in the first place. Apparently the class was only approved because the guy promised he wouldn't do anything insensitive or offensive. But the very first (and only) class was called "Orienting Yourself for Women of the Orient," and included in its lesson plan that Asian women are typically shy and eager to please. :angry7:

    It was quickly canceled, but gave way to even more offensive commentary through the school newspaper and other avenues. For example, one male student wrote an editorial saying that the class was a necessary "safe environment for men," and argued that it wasn't racist to say that Japanese women are shy and reserved if most of them are shy and reserved. :sad3: It was a huge to do--it was reported on Jezebel and everything. It was very embarrassing for our school.

    More embarrassing, though? The fact that this STILL HAPPENS.
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  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    mrspoppers wrote: »

    So white trash parties are okay, hate speech is entirely protected under the first amendment and speaking out against racism is racist. :goofy:

    Not trying to be sarcastic, but when/where has there been "white trash parties"? I've honestly never heard of one going on...
    I've heard of white trash parties going on (never been to one) but I've only heard of white people giving them or going to them.

    I really don't understand what made these people think this was okay. Free speech is one thing, but if turned out this party was a university or fraternity-sanctioned event, it would fall under racial discrimination policies, I would think. (Sort of like how we can't have this sort of thing at work.)

    It was interesting how the frats distanced themselves from the organizers of the party and said it wasn't sanctioned.

    Oh ok. Several years ago, some friends of mine threw a themed party. I totally forgot! It was a "West Coast Gangsta Party." We were told to wear gold chains, gold teeth, plaid shirts, Chuck Taylors etc. But they're black so I wouldn't really call it making fun of black people. I'd be really surprised if black people threw a white trash party, buy maybe it happens...

    I don't think the kids at UCSD thought it was ok. Maybe they didn't realize how bad it was, but I'm sure they knew it was a little off.

    EDIT: I just saw MF's response.
    A lot of people wondered how the hell this course was approved in the first place. Apparently the class was only approved because the guy promised he wouldn't do anything insensitive or offensive. But the very first (and only) class was called "Orienting Yourself for Women of the Orient," and included in its lesson plan that Asian women are typically shy and eager to please.

    It was quickly canceled, but gave way to even more offensive commentary through the school newspaper and other avenues. For example, one male student wrote an editorial saying that the class was a necessary "safe environment for men," and argued that it wasn't racist to say that Japanese women are shy and reserved if most of them are shy and reserved. It was a huge to do--it was reported on Jezebel and everything. It was very embarrassing for our school.

    That's sort of laughable. Since when do men need a "safe space" to talk about picking up women? I'd say the world is pretty much their playground when it comes to this topic. The whole thing just sounds like a space to reinforce stereotypes, whether they knew/know it or not.
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  • ursulaursula Posts: 1,461Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Now there's been another incident, this time at UC Davis:

    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=337037932345
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  • ursulaursula Posts: 1,461Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    And another one, at UC Santa Cruz. What is going on with the UC system?

    http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_14493478
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  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    I don't even see how this is remotely defensible or justifiable. The funny thing is, the ppl organizing/participating in the party probably don't even think they are racist.
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