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Trichotillomania...

curlycuedcurlycued Posts: 17Registered Users
I have been pulling out my hair by the root for 7 years. It started because of my obsession with my curly hair. It's the only thing I really get compliments on and I became obsessed with its texture, leading me to pull out the "bad hairs" or those that were too thick and kinky for my liking, and I haven't stopped since.

Since then, my hair has gotten much thinner on top and I don't feel as confident about it as I would like. It's an impulse control disorder that I have no control over and I hate waking up in the morning and seeing a pile of dark coarse hair next to me.

I'm assuming since everyone on here has at least a slight obsession with their hair to care so much about it, that maybe someone else has experience with trich in some for or another?

My fondness for my curly hair has turned into a disorder, has this happened to anyone else?

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  • WurlyLoxWurlyLox Posts: 4,858Registered Users
    I remember seeing a thread one time about someone who had it, but I don't remember that that was how it started with her.

    I had an uncle who used to have it as a kid. He'd pull on it while watching TV and not even realize he was doing it until someone got on to him. Now he's almost totally bald, so it's no longer an issue :/ I don't think it really resolved for him - he didn't get it under control, really, he just started going naturally bald quite young like the other men on that side of the family. A blessing in disguise in his case, I guess.
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  • curlycuedcurlycued Posts: 17Registered Users
    I do know of some girls who have shaved their heads, but as a curly girl, I don't think I could stand that!
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    I had a friend who had this issue as a child; interestingly, she was also very curly. At the time, it seemed to be related to the stress she felt over her parents' divorce.

    CC, is there someone professional you'd be willing to talk with? Sometimes it's hardest to understand our own behavior. That has certainly happened to me.
  • likethegumlikethegum Posts: 494Registered Users
    I don't have it, but I've heard a lot about it. Apparently it can occur with any body hair - arms, eyebrows, *****. some people do pick until they are bald in that area. It's commonly thought to be a form of OCD from what I understand.
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  • likethegumlikethegum Posts: 494Registered Users
    ok, didn't realize I couldn't say that word. It rhymes with 'rubes'
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  • curlycuedcurlycued Posts: 17Registered Users
    I know all about trichotillomania, and I have considered seeing a specialist for it, but I don't know of any in my area. I was just wondering if anyone else experiences that sensation of having to get rid of "the bad hairs" because I know with my curly texture, there are a lot of them.
  • curlycuedcurlycued Posts: 17Registered Users
    Also, the trich makes me want to shave my head... I love my curls but they are driving me crazy, has any other girl on here buzzed it all off?
  • eweniqueewenique Posts: 1,502Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    You might be interested in reading this old thread:
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=17004&highlight=trich
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  • CurlieTopCurlieTop Posts: 345Registered Users
    If it becomes a real issue, I think you shouldn't hesitate to see a doctor, especially a specialist. I don't know whether to recommend a dermatologist or a psychiatrist, but both will know how to treat you. Good luck...
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  • runrunrunnerrunrunrunner Posts: 196Registered Users
    i'm also a hair puller.

    i started when i was 14 (am now 26).

    i mainly pull body hair. eyebrows, eyelashes, arms, legs, etc. i dont really pull my head hair too much. although sometimes i'll just take bunches of my hair and pull on it (without pulling it out).

    when i get into doing it, it's almost as if nothing else exists. i get so caught up in it. i especially get frustrated when i'm having trouble pulling a hair out. i get so tense and there's this instant sense of relief when it finally comes out.

    it is an impulse control disorder. i've also seen it classified as a type of self-injury (although, i'm not sure i would say that...could be in a way, i guess)
  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    I'm so sorry you deal with this. Can you get some cognitive behavioral therapy?
    good luck to you

    Alternative therapy
    biofeedback

    Some coping techniques
    Here are some steps that may make dealing with trichotillomania easier:

    ■Be aware of situations that typically lead to pulling, such as watching television, driving or reading.
    ■Engage in activities that keep your hands busy — knitting or sketching, for instance.
    ■Wear gloves on your hands to discourage pulling.
    ■Join a support group to connect with others who face the same challenges. Support groups aren't for everyone, but some people find them extremely valuable.
    ■Get expert advice on purchasing a wig or applying makeup if you're bothered by your hair loss.
    ■Keep your hair short and take good care of it.
    ■Ask family and friends to alert you when you're unconsciously pulling your hair.
    ■Learn stress-reduction techniques other than pulling.

    Some informative websites

    The trichotillomania Learning Center
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trich.org%2F" class="Popup

    LOTS of info @ webmd
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webmd.com%2Fanxiety-panic%2Ftrichotillomania-10565" class="Popup

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vachss.com%2Fhelp_text%2Ftrich.html" class="Popup

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brainphysics.com%2Fhair-pulling.php" class="Popup
  • jeweldjeweld Posts: 140Registered Users
    i'm also a hair puller.

    i started when i was 14 (am now 26).

    i mainly pull body hair. eyebrows, eyelashes, arms, legs, etc. i dont really pull my head hair too much. although sometimes i'll just take bunches of my hair and pull on it (without pulling it out).

    when i get into doing it, it's almost as if nothing else exists. i get so caught up in it. i especially get frustrated when i'm having trouble pulling a hair out. i get so tense and there's this instant sense of relief when it finally comes out.

    it is an impulse control disorder. i've also seen it classified as a type of self-injury (although, i'm not sure i would say that...could be in a way, i guess)

    Wow, exactly like me

    I pull as well, never the hair on my head. I started in my teens and didn't realize it was a problem until 20. It became a ritual and for me a form of self-injury as I would search for hairs that were the most resistant to pull. What helps now is knowing my triggers and being aware of when I'm beginning that ritual. I have more control now, but I still pull occasionally but no where near as much as I use to. Usually, I pull the hair but realize what I'm doing and stop before it comes out.

    I've been reading about inositol, and NAC trich and I'm going incorporate more of it in my vitamin regimen. Researchers believe it to reduce the sensation to pull as well as help those with OCD. These supplements also promote hair growth. I'm no Doc so I'd talk with one before trying to treat trich, but I provided a link with more info

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwestsuffolkpsych.homestead.com%2FInositol.html" class="Popup

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fihealthbulletin.com%2Fblog%2F2009%2F07%2F06%2Fn-acetylcysteine-supplement-effective-trichotillomania%2F" class="Popup
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  • Tomorrow Never KnowsTomorrow Never Knows Posts: 320Registered Users
    I have the same problem...I've probably only started in the past year, but it started the same way - I'd pull out the particularly coarse, wiry hairs. I switched to side parting my hair because I pulled out all the hairs along my original middle part.:sad10:
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  • adorame06adorame06 Posts: 572Registered Users
    I have had this problem off and on over the years from the age of 5, and I am now 37.

    For me it started as pulling out my eyelashes then by the age of 10, I also started to pull my hair from my head. My parents took me to a doctor because I had bald patches on my head and my mom was worried. The doctor at the time thought I was stressed out and it was my way of getting rid of the stress. Once I was seen by the doctor, my mom and 3 sisters would watch me at home while I was reading or watching TV and if I started to pull my hair, they would bring it to my attention. It sort of helped me become self aware of what I was doing.

    I have had periods of time when I went a long time with out any hair pulling. But any stress seams to bring it back on for me. Like when my second son was born very ill and it took till the age of 9 months for them to find he had a Primary Immune Defect. He almost died 3 different times with blood infections, I was so worried about him and the stress was hard to deal with I had 3 spots on my head and it was kind of hard to cover the one up. I felt so awful that I let it get so out of control.

    My husband and 4 boy's ( ages 16,15,13, and 12) will sometimes catch me starting to pull my hair and they just say something to startle me
    ( like...Hay Mom did you see ___) the sudden distraction seems to bring the hair pulling to my attention and I stop myself. I try to keep my hands busy when I find myself with my hands testing strands of hair out to pull.

    I should add that I do not pull hand fulls of hair out, it is one strand at a time.
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  • TimmiGTimmiG Posts: 3Registered Users
    I've dealt with the same thing as well. I started my freshman year in highschool and wasn't aware of it until a classmate asked me why all my eyelashes were gone and had bald spots. I am now entering my junior year of college and have gotten tons better. I had my hair cut about an inch to two inches and that helped alot. Then I started growing my hair out and it came back full force. Not only were stressful things happening in my life but I pull my hair back most of the time during my grow out process and if a hair was out of place, I just pull it out. My temples were really bad from pulling and I finally got so embarrassed of it that I trained myself to become aware of my pulling. Wearing my hair down helps because I don't notice my out of place hairs. I have learned to catch myself when my hands go up to pull; I just give my head a nice quick massage in stead of pulling and it actually helps relax and release the tension. I'm still struggling a little but I have gotten so much better and my hair is growing in normally now. :)

    So yah... basic tips that worked for me...
    • cut your hair short
    • have someone accountable to help you notice
    • when you feel your hands go up to pull, massage your scalp instead of pulling
  • generositytgenerosityt Posts: 245Registered Users
    Wow, I didn't know so many people here are going through this problem. I pull my hair to feel the texture but not to pull it out. I start feeling one hair after another until I find one with lots of bumps and keep pulling it from root to bottom. If I start, I won't let go until I start getting headache, LITERALLY! Sometimes, I feel so scared that I may be causing some damage to my brain or head or whatever because once I get that pulling-headache it doesn't go away for at least two days. It gets worst during exams and very stressful times, it doesn't mean that I dont' do it when I'm relaxed but it's less intense. In fact I love watching TV and reading and that's when I lose myself and do it the most. My husband reminds me all the time, even my little girl tries to remind me now, but it didn't really work.
    I tried wearing band aids in my finger so I don't feel the texture. It helped a lot but it wasn't nice for my fingers they started getting dry and looking weird after a while. Wearing gloves is working for me right now, but I just discovered this trick (about a month ago) and I've been doing this for 14 years, I don't know if wearing gloves all the time will help me get over it, or if I'm doomed to wearing gloves for the rest of my life.
    But the pulling out the hair is more serious I guess you probably should talk to your doctor he may do some research and forward you to a specialist. Maybe a shrink can help you know, he can help you reveal why exactly your doing it and knowing the reason usually helps you get over whatever you're doing.
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  • curlycuedcurlycued Posts: 17Registered Users
    I think it's so important that we know that there are other people out there who have to deal with this. Trich doesn't have to rule your life. I recently cut a LOT of my hair off and it got rid of a lot of the damage and that has slowed down my pulling. Has anyone shaved their head?
  • anonymous_46846anonymous_46846 Banned Posts: 160Banned Users
    Hi Curlycued,

    I would recommend you see a mental specialist. No, it doesn't mean you are crazy, not at all, but trichotillomania is part of an impulse disorder which could be part of a more serious disorder known as OCD.

    With therapy and medication it can be solved easily, in fact, therapy itself can suffice.

    If I can help out let me know.

    Roy
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  • anonymous_22139anonymous_22139 Posts: 659Registered Users
    I shaved my head when I was 38 and had just become a grandmother. I was under so much stress that I was killing my hair!

    I loved my buzz cut, but eventually I let it grow back.

    The next time my trich got out of hand, I found this site and it has helped tremendously with my habit of pulling out wild, thick, really curly hairs.

    My sister has had bald spots for 30 years from trichotillomania and my daughter pulls out her eyelashes and eyebrows. I've come to know that it is and OCD. There also seems to be an inherited component.
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    i can answer yes to a few of these questions..

    starting when i was 18, i shaved my head for 2 or 3 years. but not because of this disorder, i was a bit of a rebel, couldn't stand everyone always telling me "what a lovely head of hair i had", my hair was always such a pain in the arse to deal with, and i thought it would be fun. turns out i hated it, but couldn't deal with the grow out phase! there's a pic somewhere in my fotki.

    now i do pull out a head hair on occasion.. the "bad" ones.. those that are super wiry that sprout off the top of my head, and the random straightish ones that mess up the flow of all the others. there is definitely a sense of satisfaction when i do it, i look at them and say "gotchya, you #@%*";, and then i feel a little guilty about it.

    i definitely have a history of getting a bit ocd while plucking out body hair.. in the past eyebrows, till i over plucked and now a bunch of them won't grow back:cry: now it's onto the armpits. in between waxing i'll need to whip out the tweezers, and sometimes 2 hours will go by and i haven't even noticed! but with the hair on my head i don't get like that. but my dad does with his hair. he's been going bald since forever so i guess it doesn't really matter. he tries to get the random ones that grow in the bald spot.
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  • anonymous_46846anonymous_46846 Banned Posts: 160Banned Users
    Hi dagydoodle,

    Since I already posted in this thread and seen in your sig that you are hypothyroid, I would like to know if you are under the mainstream line of medication with levothyroxine or if you have looked at other alternatives (T3/T4 or Armour). I had a quick look at your pics as I was curious as to how your eyebrows would look since you mention you pluck them a lot and they seem perfectly fine. One of the symptons of hypothyroidism is "balding" in the third external sector of the eyebrows, which you dont seem to have, so I am assuming you are on the right medication.

    If you rather reply via PM instead of publicly, feel free.

    Roy

    P.D Nice curls
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  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    Roy_Boy wrote: »
    Hi dagydoodle,

    Since I already posted in this thread and seen in your sig that you are hypothyroid, I would like to know if you are under the mainstream line of medication with levothyroxine or if you have looked at other alternatives (T3/T4 or Armour). I had a quick look at your pics as I was curious as to how your eyebrows would look since you mention you pluck them a lot and they seem perfectly fine. One of the symptons of hypothyroidism is "balding" in the third external sector of the eyebrows, which you dont seem to have, so I am assuming you are on the right medication.

    If you rather reply via PM instead of publicly, feel free.

    Roy

    P.D Nice curls

    hey roy,

    on levoxyl, been on it since becoming hypo, maybe 3 or 4 years ago. not into dabbling with others, tried cytomel several months ago and i ended up going hyper. so even though it's been a work in progress trying to get the perfect balance of tsh, i'm all set with experimenting for a while. thyroid problems yourself? doctor?

    ha HA, my permanent makeup fooled you!

    love your hair, that style looks great on you!
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    protein sensitive(?)
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  • anonymous_46846anonymous_46846 Banned Posts: 160Banned Users
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    Roy_Boy wrote: »
    Hi dagydoodle,

    Since I already posted in this thread and seen in your sig that you are hypothyroid, I would like to know if you are under the mainstream line of medication with levothyroxine or if you have looked at other alternatives (T3/T4 or Armour). I had a quick look at your pics as I was curious as to how your eyebrows would look since you mention you pluck them a lot and they seem perfectly fine. One of the symptons of hypothyroidism is "balding" in the third external sector of the eyebrows, which you dont seem to have, so I am assuming you are on the right medication.

    If you rather reply via PM instead of publicly, feel free.

    Roy

    P.D Nice curls

    hey roy,

    on levoxyl, been on it since becoming hypo, maybe 3 or 4 years ago. not into dabbling with others, tried cytomel several months ago and i ended up going hyper. so even though it's been a work in progress trying to get the perfect balance of tsh, i'm all set with experimenting for a while. thyroid problems yourself? doctor?

    ha HA, my permanent makeup fooled you!

    love your hair, that style looks great on you!

    Well, cytomel only will cause TSH to plummet but T4 levels will stay low. You need both T3 and T4 in range. Levoxyl (levothyroxine) alone does not work for everyone and depending on the dose, it may create more problems than solutions. There's some issues with levothryoxine only medicating due to inefficient conversion of T4 to T3 but I would be winding you up if I wrote the rationale.

    Care to give your doses of levoxyl as well as the ones of cytomel when you ran the trial? Cytomel-only is not issued by doctors easily so did you try it yourself via self-medicating? Your body produces about 88-100mcgs of T4 and 10-15mcgs of T3 per day, depending on bodyweight and energy demands, so cytomel, which comes in varying doses, can easily turn you hyper if overdosed slightly (not so much T4 as the body converts T4 to T3 peripherically as needed).

    As I say, post your doses and thyroid panel results (especifically TSH, free T3 (if it was tested), free or total T4 (which should have been tested) as well as thyroid antibody titers. I am assuming you suffer from autoinmune disease (i.e thyroiditis aka Hashimoto disease), as you look healthy to be suffering from primary hypothyroidism.

    You have a make over? Regardless, you look beautiful and the curls contribute even more to your natural beauty. Congrats!

    Roy
    Pictures of my one year growth progress. From short to shoulder length. I don't care about profiling my hair according to some website's guidelines, it is curly and that is all.

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=115204
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    Roy_Boy wrote: »
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    Roy_Boy wrote: »
    Hi dagydoodle,

    Since I already posted in this thread and seen in your sig that you are hypothyroid, I would like to know if you are under the mainstream line of medication with levothyroxine or if you have looked at other alternatives (T3/T4 or Armour). I had a quick look at your pics as I was curious as to how your eyebrows would look since you mention you pluck them a lot and they seem perfectly fine. One of the symptons of hypothyroidism is "balding" in the third external sector of the eyebrows, which you dont seem to have, so I am assuming you are on the right medication.

    If you rather reply via PM instead of publicly, feel free.

    Roy

    P.D Nice curls

    hey roy,

    on levoxyl, been on it since becoming hypo, maybe 3 or 4 years ago. not into dabbling with others, tried cytomel several months ago and i ended up going hyper. so even though it's been a work in progress trying to get the perfect balance of tsh, i'm all set with experimenting for a while. thyroid problems yourself? doctor?

    ha HA, my permanent makeup fooled you!

    love your hair, that style looks great on you!

    Well, cytomel only will cause TSH to plummet but T4 levels will stay low. You need both T3 and T4 in range. Levoxyl (levothyroxine) alone does not work for everyone and depending on the dose, it may create more problems than solutions. There's some issues with levothryoxine only medicating due to inefficient conversion of T4 to T3 but I would be winding you up if I wrote the rationale.

    Care to give your doses of levoxyl as well as the ones of cytomel when you ran the trial? Cytomel-only is not issued by doctors easily so did you try it yourself via self-medicating? Your body produces about 88-100mcgs of T4 and 10-15mcgs of T3 per day, depending on bodyweight and energy demands, so cytomel, which comes in varying doses, can easily turn you hyper if overdosed slightly (not so much T4 as the body converts T4 to T3 peripherically as needed).

    As I say, post your doses and thyroid panel results (especifically TSH, free T3 (if it was tested), free or total T4 (which should have been tested) as well as thyroid antibody titers. I am assuming you suffer from autoinmune disease (i.e thyroiditis aka Hashimoto disease), as you look healthy to be suffering from primary hypothyroidism.

    You have a make over? Regardless, you look beautiful and the curls contribute even more to your natural beauty. Congrats!

    Roy

    well, just some makeup on the ol' brows. i don't know if that would be considered a makeover. but thank you for the compliment..

    ugh, not so into getting into all of my thyroid panels at the moment, i have stacks of lab results in my filing cabinet. what i can tell you is that i am seeing a top doc in endocrinology, who is willing to experiment with whatever needed. so it was under her care that i tried the cytomel. don't remember the doses. too tired to look. levoxyl is currently at 75 mcg per day, with 2 extra pills a week. all thyroid levels are finally stable again, and always get tested for tsh, ft3 and ft4. never been diagnosed with hashimoto or anything like that.

    sooooo.. what's the deal? what's with the expertise?

    goin to bed, nighty.
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    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • anonymous_46846anonymous_46846 Banned Posts: 160Banned Users
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    Roy_Boy wrote: »
    dagidoodle wrote: »

    hey roy,

    on levoxyl, been on it since becoming hypo, maybe 3 or 4 years ago. not into dabbling with others, tried cytomel several months ago and i ended up going hyper. so even though it's been a work in progress trying to get the perfect balance of tsh, i'm all set with experimenting for a while. thyroid problems yourself? doctor?

    ha HA, my permanent makeup fooled you!

    love your hair, that style looks great on you!

    Well, cytomel only will cause TSH to plummet but T4 levels will stay low. You need both T3 and T4 in range. Levoxyl (levothyroxine) alone does not work for everyone and depending on the dose, it may create more problems than solutions. There's some issues with levothryoxine only medicating due to inefficient conversion of T4 to T3 but I would be winding you up if I wrote the rationale.

    Care to give your doses of levoxyl as well as the ones of cytomel when you ran the trial? Cytomel-only is not issued by doctors easily so did you try it yourself via self-medicating? Your body produces about 88-100mcgs of T4 and 10-15mcgs of T3 per day, depending on bodyweight and energy demands, so cytomel, which comes in varying doses, can easily turn you hyper if overdosed slightly (not so much T4 as the body converts T4 to T3 peripherically as needed).

    As I say, post your doses and thyroid panel results (especifically TSH, free T3 (if it was tested), free or total T4 (which should have been tested) as well as thyroid antibody titers. I am assuming you suffer from autoinmune disease (i.e thyroiditis aka Hashimoto disease), as you look healthy to be suffering from primary hypothyroidism.

    You have a make over? Regardless, you look beautiful and the curls contribute even more to your natural beauty. Congrats!

    Roy

    well, just some makeup on the ol' brows. i don't know if that would be considered a makeover. but thank you for the compliment..

    ugh, not so into getting into all of my thyroid panels at the moment, i have stacks of lab results in my filing cabinet. what i can tell you is that i am seeing a top doc in endocrinology, who is willing to experiment with whatever needed. so it was under her care that i tried the cytomel. don't remember the doses. too tired to look. levoxyl is currently at 75 mcg per day, with 2 extra pills a week. all thyroid levels are finally stable again, and always get tested for tsh, ft3 and ft4. never been diagnosed with hashimoto or anything like that.

    sooooo.. what's the deal? what's with the expertise?

    goin to bed, nighty.

    Good to know your endo has an open mind. What's more important, are you feeling good on your current medication? If so, then no need to change anything. If you are not feeling good, there are other options which would be great to discuss with your endo.

    You have not been diagnosed with thyroiditis? so what is your hypothyroidism stemming from? TSH resistance? reverse T3? Adrenal issues?

    With regards to expertise, well, let's leave it at I like reading a lot and I take classes.

    Sweet dreams.
    Pictures of my one year growth progress. From short to shoulder length. I don't care about profiling my hair according to some website's guidelines, it is curly and that is all.

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=115204
  • hevnleeehevnleee Posts: 2Registered Users
    Hi,

    I've been browsing through the site for a few weeks now and came upon this thread by accident. I too pull my hair but like generosityt I pull it because of the texture. And now that I've gone curly again, I find myself constantly twirling my hair. So much so that after the day is done my curls look like a big messy frizz ball.

    There are times when I just run my fingers through my hair so much that it breaks off in clumps. So I don't pull it out at the roots but have broken hairs and fly aways all the time. Last Jan I cut my hair chin length because I was tired of pulling on it, constantly giving myself headaches and making my scalp super sensitive. But now that I found this site I'm really hoping I start treating my hair better. Although it's a bit confusing, little by little I'm getting the hang of it. I'm still trying to figure out what products work best for me.
    Hevnleee 3a/3b
  • lovelovelovelovelovelove Posts: 257Registered Users
    Oh! This post is really interesting for me. Recently, I've noticed that I'm getting a much bigger urge to pull out my hair. I've never done it before, but I've always been really obsessed with my hair. Like, since I'm 3. I guess because it's always brought me so much attention. Ever since I was a baby, when I meet someone for the first time, the first thing they'll say is "I love your hair." I'm always playing with my hair (and other people are too). I dunno. But everytime I feel my fingers tugging at my hair, I immediatly stop. I don't want to start trich!
    Ca m'a fait de la pé-peine!:love7:
  • flubberduckyflubberducky Posts: 3Registered Users
    I have trich too! Don't worry, everybody eventually grows out of it. But I know what you mean with the kinky hairs. I usually pull out the coarse hairs, I have curly hair as well. Things that help for the hole, pulling at night thing;
    -Put a headband on when you go to bed, it'll cover up the top so by the time you fall asleep, your hair is still in tact
    -Put notes on your mirror that say things like, 'Don't Pull!', 'You can do it!', and 'You ARE beautiful!'
    -this one's weird, burn the hair you pull, get rid of it. Don't let yourself see anything that can remind you of pulling that won't help you stop
    Hope this helps!
  • amduraroseamdurarose Posts: 4Registered Users
    I have this too, but it's mostly my eyebrows. I didn't think there'd be so many people on this forum who had it!