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Why isn't my hair as curly as it used to be?

Hi, I'm new to the site. I was just watching an infomercial for Ouidad's Curl Confidence, and did some research on Google before ordering and stumbled across this site. Glad I did! I ordered a starter kit from Sephora instead of wasting tons of money on the Curl Confidence site (thanks!).

I'll be 28 in less than 6 months, and I live on Long Island, NY. I've noticed that my hair just isn't curling like it used to. I've tried different cuts, different products, but the sad reality is that I think my hair texture is just changing (that whole 7 year thing). Has anyone else experienced this? Does it eventually go back? I'm talking going from Shirley Temple ringlets to dead lifeless flat curls. It's so depressing! I have to blow my hair straight now. I bought Ouidad's products as a last ditch attempt at bringing my hair back to life. If this doesn't work, I'm afraid my blow dryer will become my new best friend :(
3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
CG since: 3/20/10

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  • hookilauhookilau Posts: 269Registered Users
    :occasion5: I'm a long island girl too :D
    err...didn't really have anything to say other than welcome!
    Following CG
    fine, medium-low density :confused5:
    protein loving, porous, elasticity ?

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    LI/RO: GVP Conditioning Balm, Jane Carter Solutions Nutrient Replenishing Conditioner
    Stylers: KCCC, AG recoil, CurlKeeper, As I am curling pudding
    Protein treatments: Aphogee's Keratin 2 minute reconstructor, and Colorful neutral protein filler

    Loves: aloe, glycerin & polyquats even in neg dews
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I live outside of Philly. We're having an unusually cold, dry winter this year--which could be the culprit to your problem. Before finding this site (and learning to use products and good technique) my hair was wavy in the winter and curly during the summer. Now, it looks like my signature picture all of the time.

    I'd advise you to read, read and read some more. Each of the forums have stickies at the top that are very helpful. You may want to invest in Struttswive's e-book which is available on her website: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecurlylivefree.com%2F" class="Popup

    In order to benefit the most from this website, you need to identify your hair properties (texture and porosity are most important.) Find someone with hair like yours and "stalk" them on the boards. Look at their products (most have it in their signatures) and what they discuss/do.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • CurlyHairedFarmerCurlyHairedFarmer Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    It could be your weather, but I strongly believe hair texture changes as we age. I used to have huge ringlets that have settled into waves and some 3a curls. It is very disappointing but we gotta work with what we are given.
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  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    It might be the weather, because I remember having this dilemma same time last year (only this year it's worse). I had it long and while it looked lovely straight, it looked terrible curly, so I decided to cut it off (shoulder length) in an attempt to save the curls. Didn't work. And it happened to be a TERRIBLE cut! So after a friend tried to salvage my hair and re-cut it 2 days later, it still doesn't curl how it used to. I've posted several pictures of my "hair history." Pictures are from 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009 & 2010. Last picture is the first time I wore it curly after my haircut. I'm so sick of blow drying! Thanks for all your tips. What a great website this is! Oh, and I had tried No-Poo and hated it. I have to read the book everyone is talking about.

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    3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Don't know where you live, but the NE is MUCH colder and dryer this year. Since, I've learned to use more moisturizing products--I haven't had a problem this year. My curls are as tight as ever and don't loosen like they did last year (without gel.) No gel for me this year.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    I live on Long Island. We've been hit with a lot of snow this year, but my hair tends to thrive in snow, rain, humid days, etc. I think I have to accept that my hair has changed. You can see a noticeable difference from 2005-2009 in those pictures. I just washed my hair with Burt's Bee's Pomegranate shampoo & conditioner (I've had them for a while but rarely use them because my hair feels like straw when I use them) because I thought maybe my hair needs a break from the SLS shampoos I normally use. I also used paper towels instead of a normal towel, and I do have AnGELL which I usually use with some shine serum and mousse - only a dime sized amount though - and this time I used probably about a half dollar size. Still feel the need to use hairspray (any time I haven't used hairspray, I feel like my hair is frizzy and out of control), so I just used a little. I also never put in product with my hair soaking wet (because it takes so long to air dry as is), but I did that this time, too. We'll see if it helps!
    3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
    CG since: 3/20/10
  • SuzMaxSuzMax Posts: 43Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't have any advice but just wanted to say that I think your hair is still really pretty...and so shiny.
    2c/3a, low porosity
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    Going Gray since May 2015
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  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    SuzMax wrote: »
    I don't have any advice but just wanted to say that I think your hair is still really pretty...and so shiny.

    Aww, thanks, Suz. I needed to hear that! I've been in a hair depression!! Haha :)
    3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
    CG since: 3/20/10
  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    How long has your hair not been curling as much as you'd like? Is it just a seasonal thing or has it been going on year round? Winter can definitely loosen curls and dry air will almost always do so. But, if you have been blowing your hair straight for a while it could be curling less now because of damage.
    "...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face." ~Harry Dresden

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  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    Nallia wrote: »
    How long has your hair not been curling as much as you'd like? Is it just a seasonal thing or has it been going on year round? Winter can definitely loosen curls and dry air will almost always do so. But, if you have been blowing your hair straight for a while it could be curling less now because of damage.

    It's only been about a year. My hair is curlier (just about back to normal) in the summer because it gets pretty humid in NY, but the only way I can describe it is like I've had a perm for the past 6 years, and it's growing out. Does that make sense? In other words, my hair no longer curls from root to tip - it's pretty flat at the top, curly in the middle, and then stringy at the bottom. I even just looked at pics from this past summer and my hair was pretty curly, minus the crown. But I definitely noticed a difference probably around this time last year. So I got it cut because I thought that would help, but it didn't. Same this year. The cut was SO bad (and uneven) that it didn't help anything. And as for the blow drying, I've always let my hair air dry, and it I did blow it straight, it was very seldom, and I'd always be able to leave it without washing for sometimes 4, 5 days. I blow it out nearly every day now out of necessity. The bad cut I just got had to be fixed 2 days later, and it made me have some short pieces at the top, therefore forcing me to straighten it. Maybe it's just my haircuts. I have nowhere to go! I have really healthy hair (I don't color it at all), and it's super shiny.
    3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
    CG since: 3/20/10
  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    It could be your hair cuts, it could be the weather, or it could just be that your hair is changing, like you thought earlier. There are just so many things that affect how our hair curls.

    My hair was almost 3c before I moved out of NYC. Now that I live in a very dry climate my hair sometimes barely curls tight enough to be 3b. The dry air has a lot to do with it, but I also now have a thyroid disorder and have had two children in recent years. The hormone changes in my body have contributed as well. Huge amounts of moisture and protein have been helping my hair to curl more. I don't know what your texture or porosity is, so I can't say if protein would help you.
    "...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face." ~Harry Dresden

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  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    Nallia wrote: »
    I don't know what your texture or porosity is, so I can't say if protein would help you.

    How do I determine my texture and porosity??
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    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
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  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    tarc817 wrote: »
    Nallia wrote: »
    I don't know what your texture or porosity is, so I can't say if protein would help you.

    How do I determine my texture and porosity??

    I was also going to suggest you find out the texture and porosity of your hair. Earlier you said you read the e-book everyone is talking about.

    Was it www.livecurlylivefree.com?

    If you did, there is an entire section on figuring out texture and porosity. It's very easy.

    From what you described of your hair, you either need some protein or more moisture. But you won't know for sure until you do the texture and porosity test.

    Here are the quickie tests:

    Texture- Run your finger from root to end of one strand of hair. Smooth = fine or normal (fine hair is also very thin in diameter; normal hair won't be as thin). Rough = coarse (this type of hair will also have odd kinks and bends somethimes)

    Porosity- Low porosity= hair takes forever to get wet and forever to dry without product. Run finger from end to root. Finger slides up without bumps. High porosity = hair gets wet very fast and drys very fast (like within 30 min or less) without product. Run finger from end to root, feels bumpy/rough or finger catches. In between=Normal.

    Based on the above, if you have fine or normal texture you probably need protein. A lack of protein can cause the ringlets in your hair to deflate. Follow protein treatments with deep conditioning.

    If you have coarse hair, you will need super moisturizing products especially in the winter. Intense moisture for coarse hair will plump the curls up.

    Low porosity= you probably need to get more moisture in your hair. Many low porosity curlies use super soaker methods for getting moisture and product into hair.

    High porosity = you can probably use a little protein and need to somehow seal hair with mositure in it to solve the problem since highly porous hair easily leaks moisture causing deflated curls.

    If you are a combo that seems to conflict let us know so we can give more specific advice.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
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  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    Belasuna - I haven't read the e-book. I am waiting for the regular book to be available at my library. I have one question though - with the quickie tests you wrote (you rock, btw), should my hair be dry, wet, without product?? It's blown straight right now, so obviously it'll be smooth to the touch. About to jump in the shower though and let it air dry (with straightening product), so I will try it out when it's nearly dry...unless you tell me otherwise!
    3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
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  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    tarc817 wrote: »
    Belasuna - I haven't read the e-book. I am waiting for the regular book to be available at my library. I have one question though - with the quickie tests you wrote (you rock, btw), should my hair be dry, wet, without product?? It's blown straight right now, so obviously it'll be smooth to the touch. About to jump in the shower though and let it air dry (with straightening product), so I will try it out when it's nearly dry...unless you tell me otherwise!

    Since you only need one strand of hair it should work with wet or dry hair with product or without. However, oils will obviously seal the hair smooth so I don't think it will be as accurate if you have oils or butter in your hair.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    Ok, so here's what I've got!

    Texture: Thick & coarse
    Porosity: Low

    I got out of the shower at 9pm, and now at 11pm, my hair is still wet underneath. Takes even longer with products!!! So now that I know what I am, I don't know what it means. :)
    3a/3b*Thick & Coarse*Low Porosity
    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
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  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    hey belasuna, actually i could use a little help regarding texture and porosity, if you would be so kind.:angel11: i've been trying to figure this one out for a month now, and i seem to fall right through the cracks.

    i seem to be all 3 textures, with fine to normal all throughout, and coarse mostly on the top of my head. when i run my finger down a strand, i believe it feels a little bumpy no matter where i get a piece from.. but i can never tell if that's just where it's bending from an actual curl, does that make sense?

    just as confused with porosity if not more so. my hair does not take long to get wet. i think it gets wet pretty normally? i'm not sure about drying because i haven't tempted to dry it without product in my hair in a very long time. but thinking back, i do recall a couple horror shows where i was without products after it was wet, and it did dry much quicker than normal.. with product, it takes anywhere from 3 or 4 hours, to sometimes as long as 7 or 8. (though i've noticed the 7 or 8 hasn't happened in a while, maybe cause i stopped using cones since?) the couple times without, i dunno, maybe it was drying in an hour or 2? and it dried really limp and frizzy.. and my hair felt super fine in texture. and sliding a strand of hair from bottom to root gives me the same confusion as the other direction.. not sure if it's odd bumps, or just the natural curl pattern being felt as it's stretched out.

    if you could try to help me on this one, i would forever be indebted to you! i've been buying new products like crazy, but not sure if i'm screwing up on this one. there are pics in my fotki if it helps to determine anything.

    ok tarc, i will leave your thread alone now, sorry!
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    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    ok tarc, i will leave your thread alone now, sorry!

    Hahaha it's ok dagi - thread jack all you want - you've been most helpful! All of you have :D
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    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
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  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    :icon_smile:
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fdagidoodle%2F" class="Popup
    password: dagi

    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    hey belasuna, actually i could use a little help regarding texture and porosity, if you would be so kind.:angel11: i've been trying to figure this one out for a month now, and i seem to fall right through the cracks.

    i seem to be all 3 textures, with fine to normal all throughout, and coarse mostly on the top of my head. when i run my finger down a strand, i believe it feels a little bumpy no matter where i get a piece from.. but i can never tell if that's just where it's bending from an actual curl, does that make sense?

    just as confused with porosity if not more so. my hair does not take long to get wet. i think it gets wet pretty normally? i'm not sure about drying because i haven't tempted to dry it without product in my hair in a very long time. but thinking back, i do recall a couple horror shows where i was without products after it was wet, and it did dry much quicker than normal.. with product, it takes anywhere from 3 or 4 hours, to sometimes as long as 7 or 8. (though i've noticed the 7 or 8 hasn't happened in a while, maybe cause i stopped using cones since?) the couple times without, i dunno, maybe it was drying in an hour or 2? and it dried really limp and frizzy.. and my hair felt super fine in texture. and sliding a strand of hair from bottom to root gives me the same confusion as the other direction.. not sure if it's odd bumps, or just the natural curl pattern being felt as it's stretched out.

    if you could try to help me on this one, i would forever be indebted to you! i've been buying new products like crazy, but not sure if i'm screwing up on this one. there are pics in my fotki if it helps to determine anything.

    ok tarc, i will leave your thread alone now, sorry!
    My hair is fine. When I run a strand between my fingers I can barely feel it. Coarse hair has a thicker strand that is easier to feel.

    When you say you have bumps along a strand of hair, do they run the whole length? Did you use a flat iron? When I first went CG I had bumps along my entire strand of hair. They were from damaging my hair with a flat iron. The heat causes the steam to build up in the hair shaft, which causes it to burst in places, leaving bumps along the length (I hope I explained that right). It is serious damage and can affect your curl patten. It also causes hair to be very porous, even if it isn't porous naturally.

    Hair drying within an hour or two with no product in it is pretty fast, especially if you live in an area that has normal-high humidity. That makes me lean toward thinking you are porous as well.
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  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    (oops)
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fdagidoodle%2F" class="Popup
    password: dagi

    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    hey, thanks for writing me back!

    well, i just pulled out various strands of hair from my head (owie) to compare all of them. i have all 3 textures, ones around nape seem to be pretty fine, some on top of my head are short and stick up.. i think they are new growths, they sort of resemble ***** ...hey, wouldn't let me say it, ok, maybe this will work, p*bes (i know, lovely.. but it's the only was i can explain what they look like!) and they seem quite coarse to normal, and the rest are in between, so i guess that would be normal.

    i haven't used a flat iron in years. but have gone through phases with using a curling iron. in the past would do almost entire head do to obsessively longing for uniform curls. very seldom do i do anything like that these days, and if i do use it now, i just get random curls throughout hair that are pissing me off. my hair used to be pretty damaged, but i think it's recovered. last time i got a cut (a couple months ago), the hairdresser commented on how healthy it was.. so who knows.

    i can feel the bumps throughout entire strand on the coarser and more normal ones, but not at all on the fine ones.

    and just from memory about drying time with no products, can't say for sure if all of hair was dry in that time, but definitely bangs areas and canopy was drying much more quickly than usual. going to wash my hair tonight. would it be worth it to dry without product to see what happens?

    and for people who are porous, does their hair tend to be sensitive to glycerin?

    sorry for all the questions, just so confused and want to know what the hay i'm doing:goofy:

    thanks for your help!
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    password: dagi

    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    p.s. i live in ri, the humidity in summer is brutal, can get really up there. not sure in winter, probably normal for winter..
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    password: dagi

    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • ShanaVilloriaShanaVilloria Posts: 263Registered Users
    Dear OP, I bet that using the Curly Girl method (CG) would help improve your curls a ton! This means changing the products and techniques that you're using, but it's totally worth it. You mentioned checking out the book Curly Girl from the library -- do it. It provides the foundation for nearly everything on this site.

    Using the CG method really transforms limp, lifeless or frizzy hair into tight(er), beautiful, frizz-free curls. Check out the Before-and-After thread here to see some transformations!

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=47609

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  • tarc817tarc817 Posts: 300Registered Users
    Dear OP, I bet that using the Curly Girl method (CG) would help improve your curls a ton! This means changing the products and techniques that you're using, but it's totally worth it. You mentioned checking out the book Curly Girl from the library -- do it. It provides the foundation for nearly everything on this site.

    Using the CG method really transforms limp, lifeless or frizzy hair into tight(er), beautiful, frizz-free curls. Check out the Before-and-After thread here to see some transformations!

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=47609

    Wow - what a fun thread that was to check out! It gives me hope again and makes me so excited to get that book and check it all out!! Thanks so much :)
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    COwash: DevaCurl NoPoo
    Condish: DevaCurl One, TRESemme Naturals Conditioner, AOHR
    LI: KCKT & DevaCurl B'Leave In
    Style: DevaCurl AnGEL, HEBE, HESMU, Joico Joiwhip, DevaCurl Set it Free, TRESemme Naturals Finishing Spray
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  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    hey, thanks for writing me back!

    well, i just pulled out various strands of hair from my head (owie) to compare all of them. i have all 3 textures, ones around nape seem to be pretty fine, some on top of my head are short and stick up.. i think they are new growths, they sort of resemble ***** ...hey, wouldn't let me say it, ok, maybe this will work, p*bes (i know, lovely.. but it's the only was i can explain what they look like!) and they seem quite coarse to normal, and the rest are in between, so i guess that would be normal.

    i haven't used a flat iron in years. but have gone through phases with using a curling iron. in the past would do almost entire head do to obsessively longing for uniform curls. very seldom do i do anything like that these days, and if i do use it now, i just get random curls throughout hair that are pissing me off. my hair used to be pretty damaged, but i think it's recovered. last time i got a cut (a couple months ago), the hairdresser commented on how healthy it was.. so who knows.

    i can feel the bumps throughout entire strand on the coarser and more normal ones, but not at all on the fine ones.

    and just from memory about drying time with no products, can't say for sure if all of hair was dry in that time, but definitely bangs areas and canopy was drying much more quickly than usual. going to wash my hair tonight. would it be worth it to dry without product to see what happens?

    and for people who are porous, does their hair tend to be sensitive to glycerin?

    sorry for all the questions, just so confused and want to know what the hay i'm doing:goofy:

    thanks for your help!

    Hi Dagidoodle,

    Fine hair will be smooth from top to bottom while coarse hair will be rough all the way down. I have some hairs that have kinds and rough spots as well as smooth sections on the same hair. I call these abnormalities and condider them med-coarse since they tend to act more like my coarse hairs. The normal hairs may have slight texture but usually are just thicker than the fine hairs. Some of the kinks and curves that feel bumpy and rough are the unrulies--misbehaving curls!

    From everything you wrote on all your posts, I believe you are definitely one of those curlies who has mixed texture. I also happen to be one of those. So it makes curl-care very difficult since the majority of the hair is not of one texture. It also seems that you are either normal porosity or slightly porous.

    If you have 3 textures you have to be most concerned about the coarse hairs. They cannot handle protein and tend to be the most unruly. The problem is you also have fine hair so you could use a dose of protein every now and then. The way I get around it is to avoid protein and use a conditioner with one protein way down on the ingredient list every now and then (3-4 months). This may freak out the coarse hairs but then if you continue to moisturize your hair well, the coarse hairs calm down. As far as porosity. Since you have to keep coarse, dry or damaged hair moisturized, it is important to not let the moisture escape. With porous hair this is often the case, not so much with normal porosity. But it sounds like for you, your hair may be dry and simply needs moisture treatments to get it back into shape. Since I have porous hair I have started cowashing using the S&C (Spritz & Condish) method (the thread is on the General Forum). This maximizes the moisture that gets into the hair and in helps to maintain moisture levels better. This works well for anyone with dry hair who is having trouble getting hair moisturized.

    Product wise, for your daily products I would recommend highly moisturizing ones with little or no proteins in them. Then do a lite protein condish every now and then.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    belasuna wrote: »
    dagidoodle wrote: »
    hey, thanks for writing me back!

    well, i just pulled out various strands of hair from my head (owie) to compare all of them. i have all 3 textures, ones around nape seem to be pretty fine, some on top of my head are short and stick up.. i think they are new growths, they sort of resemble ***** ...hey, wouldn't let me say it, ok, maybe this will work, p*bes (i know, lovely.. but it's the only was i can explain what they look like!) and they seem quite coarse to normal, and the rest are in between, so i guess that would be normal.

    i haven't used a flat iron in years. but have gone through phases with using a curling iron. in the past would do almost entire head do to obsessively longing for uniform curls. very seldom do i do anything like that these days, and if i do use it now, i just get random curls throughout hair that are pissing me off. my hair used to be pretty damaged, but i think it's recovered. last time i got a cut (a couple months ago), the hairdresser commented on how healthy it was.. so who knows.

    i can feel the bumps throughout entire strand on the coarser and more normal ones, but not at all on the fine ones.

    and just from memory about drying time with no products, can't say for sure if all of hair was dry in that time, but definitely bangs areas and canopy was drying much more quickly than usual. going to wash my hair tonight. would it be worth it to dry without product to see what happens?

    and for people who are porous, does their hair tend to be sensitive to glycerin?

    sorry for all the questions, just so confused and want to know what the hay i'm doing:goofy:

    thanks for your help!

    Hi Dagidoodle,

    Fine hair will be smooth from top to bottom while coarse hair will be rough all the way down. I have some hairs that have kinds and rough spots as well as smooth sections on the same hair. I call these abnormalities and condider them med-coarse since they tend to act more like my coarse hairs. The normal hairs may have slight texture but usually are just thicker than the fine hairs. Some of the kinks and curves that feel bumpy and rough are the unrulies--misbehaving curls!

    From everything you wrote on all your posts, I believe you are definitely one of those curlies who has mixed texture. I also happen to be one of those. So it makes curl-care very difficult since the majority of the hair is not of one texture. It also seems that you are either normal porosity or slightly porous.

    If you have 3 textures you have to be most concerned about the coarse hairs. They cannot handle protein and tend to be the most unruly. The problem is you also have fine hair so you could use a dose of protein every now and then. The way I get around it is to avoid protein and use a conditioner with one protein way down on the ingredient list every now and then (3-4 months). This may freak out the coarse hairs but then if you continue to moisturize your hair well, the coarse hairs calm down. As far as porosity. Since you have to keep coarse, dry or damaged hair moisturized, it is important to not let the moisture escape. With porous hair this is often the case, not so much with normal porosity. But it sounds like for you, your hair may be dry and simply needs moisture treatments to get it back into shape. Since I have porous hair I have started cowashing using the S&C (Spritz & Condish) method (the thread is on the General Forum). This maximizes the moisture that gets into the hair and in helps to maintain moisture levels better. This works well for anyone with dry hair who is having trouble getting hair moisturized.

    Product wise, for your daily products I would recommend highly moisturizing ones with little or no proteins in them. Then do a lite protein condish every now and then.

    belasuna,

    thank you so much, you have been most helpful!!! my lord, you have no idea how much i appreciate all of your info.:love5: so i have just checked the ingredients on all of the new products that i ordered and am waiting to come in (komaza and darcy's botanicals), luckily it seems that most (i think all but 2) don't have proteins, whew! but that will take a little more research and knowledge on my part to figure it all out. i tried scoping all the forums out to see exactly what ingredients are classified as proteins, but it was sort of hit or miss. do you know off the top of your head any good articles/threads out there? if not, no worries, i try being resourceful! and i like the spritz and condish, will try my next big hair washing day!

    thank you again, really, {{{hugs}}}

    p.s. oh yeah, still wondering if protein sensitive people tend to be sensitive to glycerin? just wondering if there's a connection..

    ugh, after more research it seems a lot of the products i ordered have protein. super. and never mind about my glycerin question, it seems the only trouble is that it will take dye out of the hair (which is one problem i don't have!).
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    password: dagi

    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    Dagi,
    You're very welcome. Glad I could help.

    If the products have some protein you can use it as long as they are near the bottom of the ingredient list. I wouldn't despair. Test out to see if you can use them since you have a mix of textures. Sometimes if I'm using a product that contains protein I'll conditon my hair with intensive moisture by using a deep moisturizing conditioner and make sure to use a LI with lots of moisture also.

    Some porous curlies can't use glycerin as it tends to swell the hair especially during humid seasons and dry out the hair in dry, low humidity seasons. But since you are probably normal or slightly porous you might not have a problem with glycerin except for the hair color issue.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    hi belasuna :hello2:
    you certainly did help.. and i think right in the nick of time. i just wrote darcy's an email to try to stop the order (it's still processing, so i doubt it's been shipped out yet). because all those products were heavy with proteins. and they all were in the beginning to the middle of the ingredients lists. i just don't feel comfortable spending all that $ on something that could be my whole hair problem in the 1st place! i used some of my komaza products tonight that just came in, no proteins in them, and my hair is finally behaving, not all stringy and dry, but actually curly and springy! so hopefully the order can be stopped, and then if i want to try one here and there, i will.

    and thanks for the heads up with the glycerin info. i will also keep my eye on that to see if it's an issue for me. gosh, i can't imagine where i'd be without your help!!!
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    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.
  • dagidoodledagidoodle Posts: 65Registered Users
    ..and thank you nallia, too.. i didn't see that you had written one of those helpful responses a day or two ago:)
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    hypothyroid
    3a & 3b
    fine, normal, coarse
    normal & porous(?)
    protein sensitive(?)
    the bane of my existence

    on a mission to find my hg's.