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Miss Jessie's?

nicole.nicole. Posts: 74Registered Users
So I've noticed on these forums that there is a number of people who don't like/agree with Miss Jessie's products. Besides them being so expensive, what are the cons of using it?

Someone who is also natural and only uses Miss Jessie's gave me some of her left over [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Miss-Jessies-Curly-Meringue-p-576.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=miss-jessies-curly-meringue]Curly Meringue[/buylink]. I looked at the ingredients and there is no Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, etc. Only a water-soluble cone. It looks ok for my hair, but before I use it I want to know some of the setbacks...?

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  • sobecurlsobecurl Posts: 313Registered Users
    Before I became more informed, I used to use Miss Jessie's products. I think most people prefer not to use them because, for the cost, there are many products out there that work much better and are not as expensive. The ingredients have changed in Miss Jessie's products over the last few years to inlcude things like mineral oil and -cones that coat the hair and have to be washed out with a sulfate shampoo.

    I still use one of MJ's products - the Rapid Recovery deep conditioner. It works for me and I have two containers left so I continue to use it as one of my DCs, but again, because of the cost, I wont be rebuying once I am done with what I have.

    I recently tried to revisit some of the other MJ products I still have like the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Miss-Jessies-Curly-Pudding-p-578.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=miss-jessies-curly-pudding]curly pudding[/buylink] and merengue, but my hair felt really coated and my twist out didnt look so great. I think many of us just get better results with other product lines and dont feel the need to spend so much money for products that don't perform.
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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Do you have the old formula? The current formula has parafinium liquidum, which is straight up mineral oil.

    I can't stand Miss Jessie's because I don't want a product that will simply make my hair "look" good, I want something that is going to be beneficial and healthy for my hair. Meaning, I don't need a bunch of random ingredients and mineral oils/cones, that may not end up hurting my hair, but aren't going to help it either. And for the price, I have found SO MANY more products companies that use ridiculously awesome, natural ingreds that my hair loves.

    If someone gave it to me I'd probably try it, but most likely wouldn't use it too often b/c I find that my hair either gets frizzy or hard when I use products that contain cones, so I just end up cowashing/clarifying when my hair starts to dry and I don't like the results.
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  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

    I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).
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  • nicole.nicole. Posts: 74Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    Do you have the old formula? The current formula has parafinium liquidum, which is straight up mineral oil.

    I can't stand Miss Jessie's because I don't want a product that will simply make my hair "look" good, I want something that is going to be beneficial and healthy for my hair. Meaning, I don't need a bunch of random ingredients and mineral oils/cones, that may not end up hurting my hair, but aren't going to help it either. And for the price, I have found SO MANY more products companies that use ridiculously awesome, natural ingreds that my hair loves.

    If someone gave it to me I'd probably try it, but most likely wouldn't use it too often b/c I find that my hair either gets frizzy or hard when I use products that contain cones, so I just end up cowashing/clarifying when my hair starts to dry and I don't like the results.

    Ok don't kill me buuut....I had no idea mineral oil and parafinium liquidum were the same thing. :confused5: That's good to know though.

    The same thing happens to me when I use cones unless it's peg-12, which washes out my hair easily with water/cowash.

    And yeah, the cost is ridiculous. It's a recession!

  • empressriempressri Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Cali Chik wrote: »
    I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

    I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).

    werd sis?? dish! what did they lie about in the interview?
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  • empressriempressri Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    I mean, I can use MJ's on my hair with no problem. Just have to shampoo afterwards, and deep condition which I'd do anyway and I have no problem. I just couldn't use it consecutively.
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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    empressri wrote: »
    Cali Chik wrote: »
    I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

    I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).

    werd sis?? dish! what did they lie about in the interview?

    LOL...yea Cali, tell us how you really feel! Actually though, every time I read their interviews I get really annoyed. In one, they were talking about how mineral oil is a good ingred to use on hair (not that it's cheaper) and they really do act like a "silkener" is not a texturizer...oh and they said it takes three hours to do one? WTH?
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  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    empressri wrote: »
    Cali Chik wrote: »
    I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

    I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).

    werd sis?? dish! what did they lie about in the interview?
    ellepixie wrote: »

    LOL...yea Cali, tell us how you really feel! Actually though, every time I read their interviews I get really annoyed. In one, they were talking about how mineral oil is a good ingred to use on hair (not that it's cheaper) and they really do act like a "silkener" is not a texturizer...oh and they said it takes three hours to do one? WTH?

    That's basically What I was gonna say.

    They justify the use of mineral oil by quoting some bullsh*t ass study that says it moisturizes the hair. The fact is they put it in there cuz it's CHEAP.

    They call being natural merely a "natural look" and that's what they accomplish by putting sodium hydroxide on your hair and charging $200. So basically they give you a just for me "Texture softner" that costs about $7 at Target and charge ppl 25 times more for ppl to achieve a fake ass "Loose" curl so ppl can walk around saying they are "natural."

    I just think the misleading ppl thing is ridiculous. It makes me angry because I think going natural is a transformation into loving yourself. And here are these heffas capitalizing off of misleading unknowing ppl who are really trying to be authentically natural.
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  • curlykinky21curlykinky21 Posts: 112Registered Users
    I don't think MJ is misleading people. They clearly state on their website that a silkener is a chemical process and this information is disclosed to the customer and explained prior to services being done. I'm sure many of the women know that they are chemically altering their curls and I'm sure the people who get the silkener service want to achieve a certain type of look not because they are trying to go natural.

    If folks want to pay $200 for the service, that is on them. The owners of Miss Jessies aren't misleading anybody. To each her own. *Kanye shrug*
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    They aren't lying to people, but I think they are definitely misleading/ripping off people. To take a texturizer and give it a pretty name, then charge $300 is ridamndiculous. If you don't know how to care for your hair, you're going to look at their after pics and think that's what you need to get the curly look you want.

    This is the Afrobella article I dug up yesterday (after hearing about them going on Tyra) that annoyed the h-e-double hockey sticks outta me: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afrobella.com%2F2007%2F04%2F30%2Fafrobella-of-the-week-titi-branch-miss-jessies-entrepre-bella%2F" class="Popup

    That's cool she was honest, but you see she seems to disassociate silkeners with other chem treatments...like it's special or something - and this quote nearly made me vomit: "...But I think the reason it remains such a popular service is because it really helps people to get what they want, that curly hair sass..." gtfoh...
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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    They aren't lying to people, but I think they are definitely misleading/ripping off people. To take a texturizer and give it a pretty name, then charge $300 is ridamndiculous. If you don't know how to care for your hair, you're going to look at their after pics and think that's what you need to get the curly look you want.

    This is the Afrobella article I dug up yesterday (after hearing about them going on Tyra) that annoyed the h-e-double hockey sticks outta me: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afrobella.com%2F2007%2F04%2F30%2Fafrobella-of-the-week-titi-branch-miss-jessies-entrepre-bella%2F" class="Popup

    That's cool she was honest, but you see she seems to disassociate silkeners with other chem treatments...like it's special or something - and this quote nearly made me vomit: "...But I think the reason it remains such a popular service is because it really helps people to get what they want, that curly hair sass..." gtfoh...


    They capitalize on the discontent and ignorance of others.
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  • nicole.nicole. Posts: 74Registered Users
    Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

    I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]

  • curlykinky21curlykinky21 Posts: 112Registered Users
    ^^^exactly^^^^^ They just want "that" look. Even Titi, the owner has a silkener so its obvious she believes in her own product. If their intention was to be misleading, then I don't think they would use the silkener themselves.
  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    nicole. wrote: »
    Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

    I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]

    Yes, people can pay $300 for a silkener if they want to, and...it's still too expensive. It's okay to say that.

    Only an individual knows why they do what they do. It's not for me to say. BUT, I do know that when we aren't happy with what we've got, or/and we're ignorant about it, there's always someone waiting to use that unhappiness and ignorance for their financial gain. It's okay to say that, too.
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  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    Nea wrote: »
    ellepixie wrote: »
    They aren't lying to people, but I think they are definitely misleading/ripping off people. To take a texturizer and give it a pretty name, then charge $300 is ridamndiculous. If you don't know how to care for your hair, you're going to look at their after pics and think that's what you need to get the curly look you want.

    This is the Afrobella article I dug up yesterday (after hearing about them going on Tyra) that annoyed the h-e-double hockey sticks outta me: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afrobella.com%2F2007%2F04%2F30%2Fafrobella-of-the-week-titi-branch-miss-jessies-entrepre-bella%2F" class="Popup

    That's cool she was honest, but you see she seems to disassociate silkeners with other chem treatments...like it's special or something - and this quote nearly made me vomit: "...But I think the reason it remains such a popular service is because it really helps people to get what they want, that curly hair sass..." gtfoh...


    They capitalize on the discontent and ignorance of others.
    THAT'S what I'm trying to say. Your sentenced summed it up.
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    - don't let everybody elses long straight weave bum you out. don't let other people's big/long natural hair bum you out either. embrace what you have and rock it with confidence, because that's the only way you'll be happy. and whether you realize it or not you are somebody's influence. show them what it truly means to be confident.

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  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    nicole. wrote: »
    Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

    I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]
    Nobody said anything about judging pplo who get "silkeners"
    subbrock wrote: »
    - don't let everybody elses long straight weave bum you out. don't let other people's big/long natural hair bum you out either. embrace what you have and rock it with confidence, because that's the only way you'll be happy. and whether you realize it or not you are somebody's influence. show them what it truly means to be confident.

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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Here are the points that are misleading to me:

    - Why don't they just call it a texturizer? That's what it IS. All these pretty, souped up names are their excuse for charging so much for it. If you don't know about chemical processes and/or hair, you're going to think this is a completely different process. Have they ever said, "A silkener is our version of a texturizer" when asked? Nope!

    - It's not that people are willing to pay so much to change their curl pattern, it's that they can change their curl pattern in the SAME WAY using some dang S-Curl from Sally's. But I guess silkener sounds prettier, right? No one wants to say, "Oh, I have a texturizer" but silkener sounds lovely!

    - They continuously boast that their products are the best for naturally curly, kinky and wavy hair...when their co-owner isn't even natural. I think their products are FINE, but to market it as a product for natural hair is pretty lame to me.

    Aaaaand apparently I just took the Miss Jessie's rant from Cali Chick...lol, I just go to their website and get so annoyed because when I was contemplating going natural this girl was going on and ON about MJ and how great it makes her curls...then I researched it and was like WTF is this tomfoolery? But I would have totally bought into it if I hadn't started researching ingreds and natural products. So, it just makes me mad that they take advantage of people that aren't willing to put in the time and research. Yea, I know, it's their own fault, but still scumbaggery at its finest!
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  • HipsterSoulHipsterSoul Posts: 1,017Registered Users
    Well mineral oil isn't necessarily bad, as long as you use it in moderation.

    It basically just prevents the drying out of hair and skin. It's an occlusive agent, so it isn't a moisturizer, so if you're looking for moisture from mineral oil, it isn't gonna happen. Also, it is non irritating for those with sensitive skin. The rise of everything being organic has gave this ingredient a bad name, when in fact it's a natural crude oil. You probably shouldn't use it straight on your scalp, because it will clog your follicles but if you have dry hair, it's fine.

    It's got it's bad reputation from organic/natural companies claiming it to be that way.
  • curlykinky21curlykinky21 Posts: 112Registered Users
    After reading that interview on Afrobella, it seems that Titi and Miko created their products based on their own desire for a "certain curly look" and at the time, they felt silkeners would help them and other folks achieve wash n go, low maintenance, fre flowing curls.

    The good thing is, now there are products out there that are chemical free that allow people to achieve curly looks without paying $300 and without using chemicals. BUT, some people will still flock to Miss Jessies because they desire the results they see on the MJ website and that's fine and dandy in my book.

    I wouldn't pay $300, but that's me.
  • nicole.nicole. Posts: 74Registered Users
    Cali Chik wrote: »
    nicole. wrote: »
    Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

    I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]
    Nobody said anything about judging pplo who get "silkeners"

    I never said you guys are judging. I'm just saying I'm not going to.
    Nea wrote: »
    BUT, I do know that when we aren't happy with what we've got, or/and we're ignorant about it, there's always someone waiting to use that unhappiness and ignorance for their financial gain. It's okay to say that, too.
    ^^
    Yeah, I do agree with this.
    ellepixie wrote: »
    - They continuously boast that their products are the best for naturally curly, kinky and wavy hair...when their co-owner isn't even natural. I think their products are FINE, but to market it as a product for natural hair is pretty lame to me.
    When I read the article you posted, that was exactly my thought process! You sell products for kinky hair but your hair is chemically altered...? Uh, ok.

  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »

    - It's not that people are willing to pay so much to change their curl pattern, it's that they can change their curl pattern in the SAME WAY using some dang S-Curl from Sally's. But I guess silkener sounds prettier, right? No one wants to say, "Oh, I have a texturizer" but silkener sounds lovely!

    - They continuously boast that their products are the best for naturally curly, kinky and wavy hair...when their co-owner isn't even natural. I think their products are FINE, but to market it as a product for natural hair is pretty lame to me.

    Plus...they post up the "best of the best" pics of their silkeners. I would bet my last dollar that everybody's hair didn't turn out that great, and they were stuck...$300 gone up in smoke, and hair that didn't turn out like the hair pics on the site.

    Since "texlaxers" can be unpredictable anyway, why spend so much money, only to possibly end up with unsatisfactory results?
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  • curlykinky21curlykinky21 Posts: 112Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    Here are the points that are misleading to me:

    - Why don't they just call it a texturizer? That's what it IS. All these pretty, souped up names are their excuse for charging so much for it. If you don't know about chemical processes and/or hair, you're going to think this is a completely different process. Have they ever said, "A silkener is our version of a texturizer" when asked? Nope!

    - It's not that people are willing to pay so much to change their curl pattern, it's that they can change their curl pattern in the SAME WAY using some dang S-Curl from Sally's. But I guess silkener sounds prettier, right? No one wants to say, "Oh, I have a texturizer" but silkener sounds lovely!

    - They continuously boast that their products are the best for naturally curly, kinky and wavy hair...when their co-owner isn't even natural. I think their products are FINE, but to market it as a product for natural hair is pretty lame to me.

    Aaaaand apparently I just took the Miss Jessie's rant from Cali Chick...lol, I just go to their website and get so annoyed because when I was contemplating going natural this girl was going on and ON about MJ and how great it makes her curls...then I researched it and was like WTF is this tomfoolery? But I would have totally bought into it if I hadn't started researching ingreds and natural products. So, it just makes me mad that they take advantage of people that aren't willing to put in the time and research. Yea, I know, it's their own fault, but still scumbaggery at its finest!

    I read somewhere that the reason they don't call it a texturizer is because the technique they use is different. They created their own version of a texturizer. I think the ingredients are the same as a texturizer but the amount is different and the technique in which they apply the silkener is different than the regular old s-curl in the BSS. I don't know I think that's what I read.

    I just feel like some people give MJ a bad rap. They have great marketing a unique brand and people buy into it....that's just business. I don't use their products and the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Miss-Jessies-Curly-Pudding-p-578.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=miss-jessies-curly-pudding]curly pudding[/buylink] didn't work for me, but I loved the smell. But that's me. Everyone has a different experience
  • curlyhersheygirlcurlyhersheygirl Posts: 475Registered Users
    I have never used their products nor will I for that matter because it doesn't fit the criteria I have set for what I use on my hair.
    That being said I don't think what the company does is either new or unique alot of companies out there operate like this.
    I think because we educated ourselves in terms of the ingredients used, their position on the ingredients list etc; is what makes us feel so strongly about it.
    Just be an informed consumer and do you.

    Welcome to the matrix now you know better :happy3:.
  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    Here are the points that are misleading to me:

    - Why don't they just call it a texturizer? That's what it IS. All these pretty, souped up names are their excuse for charging so much for it. If you don't know about chemical processes and/or hair, you're going to think this is a completely different process. Have they ever said, "A silkener is our version of a texturizer" when asked? Nope!

    - It's not that people are willing to pay so much to change their curl pattern, it's that they can change their curl pattern in the SAME WAY using some dang S-Curl from Sally's. But I guess silkener sounds prettier, right? No one wants to say, "Oh, I have a texturizer" but silkener sounds lovely!

    - They continuously boast that their products are the best for naturally curly, kinky and wavy hair...when their co-owner isn't even natural. I think their products are FINE, but to market it as a product for natural hair is pretty lame to me.

    Aaaaand apparently I just took the Miss Jessie's rant from Cali Chick...lol, I just go to their website and get so annoyed because when I was contemplating going natural this girl was going on and ON about MJ and how great it makes her curls...then I researched it and was like WTF is this tomfoolery? But I would have totally bought into it if I hadn't started researching ingreds and natural products. So, it just makes me mad that they take advantage of people that aren't willing to put in the time and research. Yea, I know, it's their own fault, but still scumbaggery at its finest!
    GIRL!!! I feel like you are totally in my head right now with better articulation. Like I said in my first post. I hate the way they market their crap.
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  • NinjaretteNinjarette Posts: 3,982Registered Users
    I just feel like some people give MJ a bad rap. They have great marketing a unique brand and people buy into it....that's just business. I don't use their products and the curly pudding didn't work for me, but I loved the smell. But that's me. Everyone has a different experience

    Lot of folks get caught up in the hype, and that's quite alright. But scrutiny comes with being in business. Miss Jessie's has been around for a minute, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

    However, some folks don't have a clue, and that's their fault too. But, if someone wants to shed some light and impart some knowledge, then let it be done.

    My bottom line: Spend what you want, do what you like. Know what you're doing, and don't be an ignorant consumer. Know you have options and don't let your frustration with your hair blind you to what's true and good.
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  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    OMG thanks someone for having this thread and letting people speak without too much judgement. There are people on both sides of this issue (although I am not sure how anyone can justify "silkening" the hair which is no different than a chemical straightener and call it "natural"). I am not a nappy-nazi but I feel like if you are going to call yourself natural then BE natural! Not some strange hybrid of chemicals, just because you don't have time, as Ms. Branch says. That's the point of being natural, isn't it? Discovering your natural hair texture and the time that it takes. And does it really take that long? Who can't let a DC sit in while watching the news, and shouldn't that be done no matter what your hair regimen is? And, why blame women who eschew their products because the products therein are of no benefit to the hair? It has been proven over and over again about mineral oil, and mineral oil is added to give slip and KEEP THE PRICE POINT (mostly the latter). We know that. The owners of several haircare lines admit to it. All the Jessie-haters are saying is, do your homework. There are products which accomplish the same thing, with all beneficial ingredients, at a fraction of the price, and without the ridiculous S&H. Also, know your stuff and what's in the stuff you put in or on your body. You can give yourself a texturizer or go to your own hairdresser for one for about 20% of what you will pay at their salon, but don't be on hear hollering you are natural. Just accept what you are as we accept what we are.
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  • curlykinky21curlykinky21 Posts: 112Registered Users
    ^^^but that the thing...they aren't calling it natural at all. In the article posted in this thread, titi says she finds it funny that women still consider themselves natural after getting a silkener and that many women tend to be closet "silkener wearers" because they are afraid of the natural nazis coming down on them and telling them they aren't natural.

    Bottom line, I think Miss Jessies doesn't hide what they are doing, some people won't do the research and don't care about ingredients etc in their products. They are only concerned about the look and if the health of their hair is ruined because of it, then that is on them.
  • jada1111jada1111 Posts: 829Registered Users
    nicole. wrote: »
    So I've noticed on these forums that there is a number of people who don't like/agree with Miss Jessie's products. Besides them being so expensive, what are the cons of using it?

    Someone who is also natural and only uses Miss Jessie's gave me some of her left over [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Miss-Jessies-Curly-Meringue-p-576.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=miss-jessies-curly-meringue]Curly Meringue[/buylink]. I looked at the ingredients and there is no Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, etc. Only a water-soluble cone. It looks ok for my hair, but before I use it I want to know some of the setbacks...?

    I didn't like the curly meringue.

    The only product I use is the Curly Buttercreme. Nothing else moisturizes like it imo.

    I will use products with the "forbidden" ingredients if they work well in my hair. I don't mind build up, because I have no problem using shampoo or clarifying.

    I need for my hair to look and feel presentable.
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  • 3c4d7zwhatevs3c4d7zwhatevs Posts: 1,589Registered Users
    Then don't even call it a "natural look". It's not natural, it's ok for me to believe that, and it's also OK for me to believe that they continue doing business as they do because of the closet women who do not know or like the texture of their own hair and want to pretend to have "naturally curly hair". I repeat - it's not natural. The women who tell them they are not natural are not lying.

    I thought we were supposed to be having our say so the original poster could have some information and not responding to people's posts directly with apologist BS. I am not attacking anyone's opinions so don't try to change mine. If you love MJ's so much go work for them.
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  • curlykinky21curlykinky21 Posts: 112Registered Users
    sagehen wrote: »
    Then don't even call it a "natural look". It's not natural, it's ok for me to believe that, and it's also OK for me to believe that they continue doing business as they do because of the closet women who do not know or like the texture of their own hair and want to pretend to have "naturally curly hair". I repeat - it's not natural. The women who tell them they are not natural are not lying.

    I thought we were supposed to be having our say so the original poster could have some information and not responding to people's posts directly with apologist BS. I am not attacking anyone's opinions so don't try to change mine. If you love MJ's so much go work for them.

    I assume this was for me. If you read my post I never said that I even liked MJ's products. I just don't like when people make assumptions or claims that aren't accurate and since this is a free forum I can freely state my opinion. I thought you stated that they call their stuff natural when they don't. I felt the need to correct you on that portion of your statement. Now that I reread your post I understand what you are saying and I agree.

    Just seems like there is so much bashing when there is no need to do so (I'm saying this in general not directed to you specifically).

    There is no need to get defensive. If you do not agree with my opinion that is okay. I am enititled to my opionion just like you and I am also entitled to the right to disagree as are you:)
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