Weather help...dewpoints and humidity

plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
So my dewpoints for the next few days are 0-5C (32-40F) and humidity is around 80%. By the end of the week the dewpoints will likely be 7-10C (45-50F) with higher humidity about 90% or higher depending on whether we actually get the rain that we're supposed to (we've been having many a sunny day when the forecast said rain).

Should I be looking at humectants or anti-humectants? I think I am confused because the dewpoints are low but we're fairly humid right now...we have milder but wetter winters here.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

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  • goobernutgoobernut Registered Users Posts: 2,317
    Oooh, well, you've stumbled onto the great debate. :)

    There are different camps of thought on this. Quite a few people state that higher dew = more water in the air. period. Therefore the only thing we look at is dew. It doesn't matter that the humidity is at 100%, because at 50 dew, there is still more water in the air than at 40 deg and 100 % humidity.

    I am of the personal opinion that the closer you are to 100% humidity, or the closer the dew is to your temp, you're going to have frizzy issues no matter what the temp, because the water is more AVAILABLE to your hair. Personally I think this is more noticeable at different temps -- I mean it depends on how cold it is. if the temp is 20 and its 100% humidity, likely its snowing and the water going to form ice crystals heh.

    My personal experience is that the closer you get to the saturation point of the air -- 100% humidity or dew/temp the same, you're going to have to use anti-humectants to deal with it.

    Now, if your hair loves humidity and rain, why bother? Or, if it loves it, then continue to use your humectants and see how it goes! Some ladies here love the humidity (I know runner talks about this all the time!), but I don't. My hair seems to frizzy/flat in humidity.
    Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.
  • plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
    Thanks Goob. I was thinking that with the higher humidity, my hair might need honey or something, but the low dewpoint contradicts this suggesting an anti-humectant instead. So I was unsure how I should look at treating it right now.


    Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

    Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

  • goobernutgoobernut Registered Users Posts: 2,317
    for me, with high humidity, AND high dews, I start using anti-humectants. But I live in Florida, so I have those conditions pretty much year round.

    Generally speaking, people avoid humectants at the extremes. Super High or Low dew points for example. You should try them out yourself though, because everyone seems to have a different opinion of glycerin. I seem to have better luck with leaving glycerin out of my leave-ins and stylers down here, but I could use almost anything in Oklahoma and Georgia.
    Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.
  • plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
    goobernut wrote: »
    for me, with high humidity, AND high dews, I start using anti-humectants. But I live in Florida, so I have those conditions pretty much year round.

    Generally speaking, people avoid humectants at the extremes. Super High or Low dew points for example. You should try them out yourself though, because everyone seems to have a different opinion of glycerin. I seem to have better luck with leaving glycerin out of my leave-ins and stylers down here, but I could use almost anything in Oklahoma and Georgia.

    Gawd, IKWYM about humidity in FL. I lived there for 30 years. Summer 2004 was particularly horrid with the hurricanes and week long power outages. We're pretty lucky with our weather here...it's not perfect, but I realized I've acclimated enough that I don't want to go back to Florida in the summer, ever. :P OK, well maybe for a fierce and intense thunderstom...I miss them and we hardly ever have lightning or thunder here.

    I guess I'm just going to have to experiment with ingredients. Other than glycerin, what other anti-humectants are there?


    Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

    Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

  • blueroses79blueroses79 Registered Users Posts: 122
    I thought glycerin was a humectant. And anti-humectants are things like silicones and butters.

    Watching because my weather conditions sound exactly the same as yours. Wet, dew near the temperature, but cold. I haven't had frizz problems lately, and I avoid humectants outside the shower all the time at present. In fact I'd love to trade my crunch for some frizz, but that's another matter....

    FIA 2a-c, ii.
    Combo. fine/low porosity & coarse/porous.
    Stylers: All-in-one spray, FSG, KCCC
    Also using: Inecto condish, WW Tiare Pomade
    Dislikes: soap bars, glycerin, protein.
    Yawns at: all gels (even LALSG), Seamollient.
    http://public.fotki.com/blueroses79/

    :dog: :coffee:
  • plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
    Where do you live blueroses? What do you use to control frizz?


    Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

    Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

  • pedahehpedaheh Registered Users Posts: 4,812 Curl Neophyte
    Glycerin is a humectant. This link lists ingredients commonly found in hair care products by category. Helpful categories include humectants, chelating agents (remove chlorine and hard water build up), fatty alcohols (non drying) and alcohols (drying).

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/ingredients-commonly-found-in-hair-care-products
    http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
    2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
    Thanks Peda...good stuff there. Is there a list of anti-humectants anywhere?


    Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

    Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

  • pedahehpedaheh Registered Users Posts: 4,812 Curl Neophyte
    Thanks Peda...good stuff there. Is there a list of anti-humectants anywhere?
    I don't know of any, but there are big threads on sealing if you do a search. I'm actually not sure if there are lots of 2's that seal or if they do what they use.
    http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
    2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
  • blueroses79blueroses79 Registered Users Posts: 122
    Southern Indiana. Lately my FSG/[buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] combos are drying very clean & crunchy... I've also been going a few days between washes, so my hair is calmer than usual.

    Also, you've probably already seen this article, but it has a list: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/ingredients/humidity-humectants-and-the-dew-point

    FIA 2a-c, ii.
    Combo. fine/low porosity & coarse/porous.
    Stylers: All-in-one spray, FSG, KCCC
    Also using: Inecto condish, WW Tiare Pomade
    Dislikes: soap bars, glycerin, protein.
    Yawns at: all gels (even LALSG), Seamollient.
    http://public.fotki.com/blueroses79/

    :dog: :coffee:
  • goobernutgoobernut Registered Users Posts: 2,317
    Peda answered for me :) Yes, glycerin is a humectant. So is honey. Agave nectar too.

    The link Blue roses lists some anti-humectants. Its a very disappointing list. I've been having luck with the hydrogenated castor oil *shrugs*
    Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.
  • plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
    Southern Indiana. Lately my FSG/[buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] combos are drying very clean & crunchy... I've also been going a few days between washes, so my hair is calmer than usual.

    Also, you've probably already seen this article, but it has a list: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/ingredients/humidity-humectants-and-the-dew-point

    OMG that article made my brain hurt. Ha ha ha!


    Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

    Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

  • plunkybugplunkybug Registered Users Posts: 2,526
    So it looks like I might need to find a pomade or something. I'll look at sealing...I read a thread off of Del's Spritz and condish method but I didn't know if that was something I needed, and my hair type didn't seem to match with a lot of the users. Sooooo...would I use the anti-humectant after my gels and such or as the base before everything?


    Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

    Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

    Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showpost.php?p=1252125&postcount=59

  • pedahehpedaheh Registered Users Posts: 4,812 Curl Neophyte
    Leave in, sealer, then styler.
    I just found this article about gel ingredients.
    Looks like PVA might be a good ingredient for you to look for in gel.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curly-q-a/the-nitty-gritty-details-about-hair-gel
    http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
    2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
    Cowash: Tresemme naturals
    Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
    Curl enhancer: FSG
    Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
    PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
    Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

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