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Any ideas for flakes?

This is kind of embarrassing, but it has gone on for so long I don't know what else to do but ask for more opinions at this point. This will be a long post.

I've been having an issue of white flakes near my scalp though I can't say for sure they are coming from my scalp. At first I thought the flakes were in my hair due to a bad product combo. So I tried each product separately and had the same results. I have stopped using both products since then.

I have tried (not in any order) baking soda, ACV, aloe gel, using a scalp brush, changing up my cowash, changing what I use to dry my hair, and even did a sulfate poo at one point to try and just get rid of everything.

My scalp is itchy a lot, and there is an infinite supply of nasty little flakes of varying sizes floating around my hair near the roots. Mostly at the front hairline and up my part along the top of my head. They are there all the time. Washing does not get rid of them because they are there from the second I can see my wet hair straight out of the shower.

I used to have this kind of dry scalp flaking (i thought it was dandruff at the time) before going CG and I used H&S religiously which only made it worse. As soon as I started cowashing last May the flakes went away, presumably because I wasn't drying my scalp out anymore. As of about December (when I went back to Maryland from Florida, and now I'm back in Boston) they were back. And as I've said, I keep trying to deal with them to no avail. My scalp doesn't feel dry to the touch really like other dry skin, it feels normal.

Aside from the possibility of lice (which I'm ready to have a doctor rule out soon!) are there any other ideas at all?? It's frustrating to have great hair days with perfect curls, and have it marred by these flakes :(
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Low Poo: SheaM C&S
Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG

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  • NaturalistaNaturalista Posts: 5,491Registered Users
    Nothing to be ashamed of. Its likely psoriasis from the climate change and exposure to all the diff water types. Happened to me.

    So.. I'm in the process of growing my hair out, so to help myself out I was looking at all-natural options and stumbled upon "plant Shampoo for hair loss" and its made by Deity of Hair. I've had bad dry scalp (with massive sometimes stuck on flakes for yrs that not even a dermatologist could help me with....

    and with one week of use of this poo-- NO FLAKES!!

    It lathers despite the ingredients being CG but my curls haven't suffered so I buy that its sulfate free. At worse its a low poo.

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  • curlyhairmichukcurlyhairmichuk Posts: 860Registered Users
    you could try putting some brown sugar in your co wash and giving your scalp a good scrub with that. icon7.gif
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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    Naturalista, I'll definitely look into that. Nothing else has worked, so why not!

    Curlyhairmichuk, I will admit a brown sugar scrub is the one commonly recommended thing I have not tried yet. I suppose it couldn't hurt! I just didn't because I figured the point of that was to exfoliate better which I felt I was doing with the scalp brush. But I'm not ruling out any methods at this point.

    My I kind noticed that the places I focus on when co-washing are the ones that itch and flake the most. So my next plan was to strictly water wash for a week and see what happens. I usually co-wash every 4 days, water washing in between. Maybe that's too much?

    I also intended, after that experiment, to try going to a low-poo routine and see if that helped. Though the sulfate shampoo did nothing.
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users
    Check to see if there is any propylene glycol or even pvps in any of your products... too much of that makes me itch and flake. I was going to say try GTTT as a co-wash or water wash. Since I have been using henna, amla an shikakai I have no more problems.
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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    Heather, that occurred to me as well. There was propylene glycol and/or PVP in many of my products. I have since stopped using those (and also Spiral Solutions is way better!).

    There is propylene glycol in the Suave cowash I had been using so I am definitely not using that anymore. Though when I switched to GTTTT (my usual rinse out) for a co-wash, it actually didn't help at all anyway. Very disappointing. Any thoughts on the GTTTT poo?

    Is propylene glycol something I will need to remove from my scalp by some means after using it in a co-wash for so long? I don't want any build up of that to ruin my water-washing experiment which I have high hopes for!
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • karisafkarisaf Posts: 19Registered Users
    Well, it depends on whether or not you just have dry scalp (which can either be just dry or be a reaction to an ingredient - in which case you need to moisturize your scalp and/or figure out if something is irritating it) or whether it's actually dandruff (which is caused by a fungus and needs to be treated - you can either go the prescription or specially formulated shampoo route (yuck!) or use something with tea tree oil). I have the Wen Tea Tree Oil, which is just jojoba oil mixed with TTO so you could make your own, and I think that really helps treat either cause. It comes with a nice dropper which makes it easy to apply to the scalp. Just apply a dropperful or two (not too much if you co-wash or else it will be hard to get out) and massage it into your scalp. You can leave it on for an hour or overnight. Ever since I stopped using low-poo on a regular basis my scalp doesn't itch anymore - and this oil has helped tremendously too.
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  • umeshuumeshu Posts: 9Registered Users
    I've been having some trouble with this too, and also thought it was product buildup or a reaction to the products I was using at first. So I switched up my products and routine a bit, but to no avail and it is worse since winter started. I am pretty sure my problem is dry scalp. I have tried GTTT, brown sugar scrub, ACV rinse, and only water washing all with no success. Jojoba oil seems to help -- I put a bit on my scalp and leave it overnight and then wash in the morning. But it has only been effective for about a day. I very recently received a copy of the Curly Girl book -- until now all the info I had was from the net -- and was interested to see that it only seems to recommend scrubbing your scalp about once a week. Otherwise, you just let your hair get wet in the shower, and condition the length. Maybe everyone else knew this, but it was news to me -- I was doing a co-wash or water wash every second day, always giving my scalp a good rub. So, I tried the other day only conditioning the length and had a day with absolutely no flakes - my hair also looked better. Second day hair was good, and only started a little flaking towards the end of the day, and probably only noticeable to me, because I am paying so close attention. Today is my third day -- I'll wash or wet it this afternoon -- but I just checked, and it is looking pretty good. Not to say that you shouldn't try other methods people have suggested -- it will depend on you and what is going on with your head, but for me, I think I was overdoing things for my poor scalp even though I thought I was helping. I'm hoping this is in fact the case, and I keep having success in battling this -- because I can definitely sympathize with how frustrating it is.
  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users
    I love the Morrcco Method "shampoos" they are great for the scalp. You might want to do a modified CG using some kind of low poo to prevent build up on scalp; I do 1-2X a week. I agree, scrubbing may irritate things more, try massaging. Massaging oils in at night may help too.
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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    Just got back from the doc who said she didn't believe it was lice though she could see what made me consider that. The dang flakes are just sticking in my hair and won't come out. She said it was likely very dry scalp and suggested using Nizoral or H&S to combat it. I'm going to have to pass on H&S because it'll dry me out more, but I've never used Nizoral. Does anyone have anything to say about that?

    Also, thank you ladies so much for all your suggestions. I do hope I can get this under control soon.
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • CurlyPolkaDotCurlyPolkaDot Posts: 1,174Registered Users
    I have the same problem, But since I have stopped using T-Gel (neutrogena) and started doing the CG modified method of using shampoo, I have seen good results!
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  • Chelley MaeChelley Mae Posts: 359Registered Users
    It might be psoriasis, you might want to ask the doc to test some of your scalp to check for this. I have this and there is a cheap clobetasol foam (generic, $5) that she can perscribe for you. This is the ONLY thing that will take away my flakes. I also find tea tree oil to be VERY helpful.
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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    I'm reluctant to think this is psoriasis. My scalp looks fine and feels fine, there really aren't any scaly patches or dry looking/feeling areas. My skin on the whole is not dry and my scalp just looks very normal and plain. These flakes just show up in my hair seemingly out of nowhere and stick like theres no tomorrow (hence my concern of lice and my original concern of product issues). I'm thinking I may have been scrubbing too much and too often causing my scalp to flake off in the shower and stick in my hair. New plan is to not do that anymore and see if it gets better!
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • umeshuumeshu Posts: 9Registered Users
    I tried both H&S and Nizoral and didn't find either to be effective. My doctor recommended Selsun Blue over the others, and that did seem to work for a while. I stopped using it when things cleared up, and I wanted to try CG. It has only been since the winter that it started up again.
  • empressriempressri Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    It might weigh your hair down if you try it, but everyone that I've spoken to with a dry and/or flaky scalp, I recommend chagrin valley's neem and tea tree bar. I was told that it works wonderfully to clear that up.
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  • wavycurly40+wavycurly40+ Posts: 2,017Registered Users
    For what it's worth, co-washing seems to make my scalp issues worse. You might want to experiment with the water washing idea. The only time I co-wash now is if I'm doing a brown sugar scrub, and not too often.

    It seems weird that your dermatologist thought it was dryness, but then recommended Nizorale. Nizorale doesn't treat dryness -- it treats the fungus that causes semborrheic dermatitis/psoriasis.

    But whatever it is -- you just want to get rid of it! But since you stated that it seemed worse in areas that had recently been co-washed, it might be worth experimenting with doing less co-washing. Good luck!

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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    Wavycurly, I thought that was weird, too. But I refrained from explaining why I thought she was wrong, lol.

    I did a gentle massage and water wash today. Didn't see a difference. But I'll try and stick with it for a week and see what happens. I had a mini-PJ attack at Target today and bought an unnecessary amount of things to experiment with, heh. So after this week of water washing I have a plethora of different CG friendly condishes and low poos to play with. Ditching the Suave and the GTTTT for a while.
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users
    I forgot, rotating products helps a bunch.
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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    Just a little update/reference for myself. I couldn't take a week of the water washing with my head the state it was in. Too much itching and flaking and not enough relief. Gave in and did a low-poo with Giovanni 50:50 this morning. Feeling much better now. Flakes are significantly decreased as is the itching. The low poo was a little more stripping than I would have liked, but I coated my length in conditioner first, and also I hope not to have to do that too too often. Going to look into co-pooing with the 50:50s weekly or so.
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • yankeecurlieyankeecurlie Posts: 9Registered Users
    Kaysara, I'm so on the same page! And I thought I was the only one, too! So, to summarize, it sounds like you've benefited from an occasional low poo and less frequent scrubbing? I wondered whether there was a relationship between the scrubbing and the flakes. I'm looking forward to trying Umeshu's suggestion of less scrubbing. Just get it wet and condition the length? Since my hair's pretty short (chin-length), does that mean just the very ends? Geez, trying to figure out what my hair and scalp like is such a pain! (I have started with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink], though, and love it!)
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  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    yankeecurlie I have a feeling even the two of us are not the only ones. The trouble is figuring out what is going to work for you to make it stop, heh.

    I still have some itching, which I fully believe is due to dry scalp (made worse by New England's winter). My flaking is significantly decreased, though. What finally calmed it down was a low-poo (odd because the sulfate poo did nothing!). I can't comment on the scrubbing thing since I'm still trying to figure it out myself, but I'll buy the idea. If your scalp is already dry, scrubbing it too much would probably just flake it up more. However, since you do have to have some friction to get the dirt up, I'm going to try more of a firm massage than scrubbing.

    I am probably going to go into a low-poo/water wash routine for a while and see how it goes. Depending on how your hair is, when you low poo you can coat your length in conditioner first to protect it a bit. Even though your hair is short, just smooth the conditioner in as if you were trying to make a ponytail (even if you can't really do that). And then quickly finger-comb some through the middle. Don't stress out if it seems like its getting to your roots, there's a difference between co-washing/rubbing your scalp with your conditioner and just conditioning high up your hair. I found I wanted some conditioner on my roots after the low-poo anyway because they felt somewhat stripped.

    I don't have definitive answers, but I'd love to hear what you're trying and how it works out for you. Please keep us updated on your trials.
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    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • umeshuumeshu Posts: 9Registered Users
    So, on the second week of less scrubbing, I would say for me, it is definitely an improvement, but not perfect. I do still low poo or water wash and scrub my scalp at least once a week. Otherwise, I just let my hair get completely soaked and only put conditioner on the hair, avoiding the scalp. I think I need to find the right balance to avoid dry flakes after low poo, and to avoid buildup from less regular scrubbing. I think the CG book suggests putting conditioner on the bottom third of the length of your hair -- in which case, if you have short hair, it would really only be the ends. I put it on pretty much the whole length though -- my hair is about shoulder length.

    Kaysara, are you still finding the Giovanni 50/50 effective? I have been using the GTTTT, but don't really find it makes a great difference, and seems to leave my hair a bit dry and frizzy.

    I think this is a more common problem then people think. I know that since I have been having trouble with it, I have noticed a lot more people who have flakes because I am generally paying more attention to people's hair. Really looking forward to warmer weather.
  • kaysarakaysara Posts: 152Registered Users
    I only used the 50:50 low poo once, though I now have a biased affection for it because it was the first thing to make any noticeable difference. I also never tried the TTTT poo, only conditioner, which wasn't doing anything for me at all. I have the 50:50 conditioner in my shower as well now, though I haven't used it for anything yet. I'm kind of hoping that I'll be able to do a co-poo (mixing the conditioner/poo instead of solely one or the other) with good results using the 50:50s.
    3a/2c, medium texture, thick and dense, normal porosity/elasticity. Cone free since 5/1/09.

    Low Poo: SheaM C&S
    Condish: GFS&SZero or SheaM WCR
    Stylers: UFDCM + LALSG
  • umeshuumeshu Posts: 9Registered Users
    Co-poo --- never thought of that. I'll have to give it try.
  • yankeecurlieyankeecurlie Posts: 9Registered Users
    Kaysara & Umeshu - thanks for the tips! Since I use a light leave-in with amodimethicone, I use a low-poo with some regularity (not every time I wash, maybe every other - I'm horrible about keeping track, I just go with whatever it seems like I need at the time). This last time, I tried scrubbing less vigorously on the scalp while still scrubbing the strands (an odd thing to try, I assure you), and it seemed to help! There were still a few flakes, but not nearly so many! :bounce: We'll see how well this method works for clearing build-up. (I hope I don't have to abandon my beloved leave-in!) Sounds like you've both been having success, as well!
    3a/3b?? Fine-medium texture and normal-high porosity, I think... ??

    mod-CG since 10.24.09

    Low poo or No poo
    One C - would love to try something different
    Infusium-23 leave-in (with a*cone, I know! But I love it!)
    KCCC or Arc Angell