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Have u actually read the book? "Curly Girl" Deborah Chiel and Lorraine Massey?

Ive been thinking about buying it..found it on ebay for under $10 and seeing how Ive spent MUCH MUCH MUCH and again I say MUCH more on new products..(Naimes says [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] & KCNT will be delivered today:D way excited! ) I think another 10 is no big deal but before I do I wanted to see how many of you actually read the book or if you just go by things on this site? For those that have read the book do u think it was helpful or is everything pretty much already on this site?
thanks so much and HAPPY FRIDAY! :toothy7:
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  • empressriempressri Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    every site ive been on has been better than any book ive read and ive read most of them
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  • Gemini13Gemini13 Posts: 5,000Registered Users
    I read it before I started posting on this site. I find the info here to be a lot more helpful, but I guess the book is a good starting point if you're new and confused. There's a lot more information here, and while that's a good thing, I'm sure it can be overwhelming to some.

    FYI, Lorraine has changed her stance on some of the information in the book. She's been talking about putting out a new one for a while.
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  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    Yes and it was a good starting point.

    But the information is much better here especially she only uses categories of wavy, botticelli and corkscrew IIRC. As has been discussed thoroughly here, there are so many factors outside curl type that determine what will work and what won't work for each individual.

    Plus as already stated she's changed her stance on some things which makes the book a bit dated now.
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  • chanmeleonchanmeleon Posts: 29Registered Users
    Yes, I own it. It was a gift from my parents one year. My favorite part is the personal stories written by curly women, including Joy Behar from The View.

    I agree with whatsercurl - it is a good starting point. I have found a lot of supplementary and very valuable information on this message board that I couldn't have found in the book.
  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    I do have it and reading it is what sent me to the internet looking for more information and that's how I found this site. I have learned so much more here than I could from any book but, on the other hand, if it wasn't for Lorraine Massey, I wouldn't have found all of the wonderful, wise curlies here. If you can get it at your local library, I would suggest doing that before buying it. If nothing else, you'll understand things you'll hear here that are referred to in the book from time to time.
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  • eklecktikaeklecktika Posts: 230Registered Users
    Yes and it was a good starting point.

    But the information is much better here especially she only uses categories of wavy, botticelli and corkscrew IIRC. As has been discussed thoroughly here, there are so many factors outside curl type that determine what will work and what won't work for each individual.

    Plus as already stated she's changed her stance on some things which makes the book a bit dated now.
    Cosigning.

    It's a good intro, but IMO, this place has way, WAY more information.

    If someone compiled everything here-handling everything from 2-4 hair, amla, henna, types of frizz, protein vs moisture, dewpoints, texture, porosity just to start-into a book-that sucker would be worth a fortune.
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  • RupertsWifeRupertsWife Posts: 492Registered Users
    Personally I would invest in Struttswife's ebook over the CG book. /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livecurlylivefree.com%2Fe_book.htm" class="Popup
    if you want to read something other than what you can find here. But otherwise I have to agree with the other posts.

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  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,235Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I own the Curly Girl book and reread it every once in awhile. I also reread Going Gray Looking Great. Both books were very helpful to me. And I like having real books around even tho there's tons more info online.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • pedahehpedaheh Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    I found NC.com first and then got the Curly Girl book. I didn't think the book was worth the money.
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  • anonymous_22139anonymous_22139 Posts: 659Registered Users
    I read it and was not that impressed. Any of the ideas in the book can be found on this site.

    Lorraine Massey was probably instrumental in educating curly girls about proper care of their curls, but a lot has been discovered since then, so in a way, the book is dated and not any more useful than naturallycurly.com.

    Also, not to be catty, but I seriously don't like what Lorraine does with her hair. IMO it is too bleached and dead looking. I LOVED the picture inside her book of her at an earlier age with (what I suppose is) her natural dark blonde/light brown hair. It was beautiful!
  • margarita girlmargarita girl Posts: 22Registered Users
    I agree with RupertsWife. The Live Curly Live Free ebook is a better investment. I bought the CG book after reading about it here. I like that she included personal stories and recipes, but the book lacked info on what's best for my hair texture, porosity and so forth. That's where the ebook comes in.
  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,495Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I own Curly Girl and skim it from time to time (as I do several other curly hair books I own) but I agree w/ all of the above -- great starting point, some advice is now obsolete or incomplete.

    I think I would like to check out Live Curly, Live Free.

  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I found the book and then found this site.

    The book was helpful at first, but I do get more pertinent info from this site and the Live Curly Live Free e-book.

    That being said, I still like reading the personal stories in Curly Girl.
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  • crimsonshedemoncrimsonshedemon Posts: 2,098Registered Users
    I have it.. it's not a great source of info.
    Tiffany's ebook is a valuable source of info. www.livecurlylivefree.com
    So informative!
  • finchfinch Posts: 333Registered Users
    Yeah, but I checked it out from the library, didn't buy it.
    Medium texture, normal-high porosity, wavy-curly 2c to 3a-ish hair that is MOISTURE HUNGRY!!!
    Currently recovering from a protein hair crisis. :( My hair hates protein, apparently.

  • curlykeycurlykey Posts: 1,540Registered Users
    I have it. I re-read it every once in a while. It has a few good recipes that I use. It is a good starter book. Although there is lots of good info online, I do like to have something that I can pick up and read on occasion. Next on my list is the e-book. I suggest seeing if you can find this at the library before purchasing to see if it's something you want to spend the money on. HTH.
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  • rockthecurlzrockthecurlz Posts: 910Registered Users
    I was at an herb shop buying hair vitamins when my last chemical straightner burned half of my hair off. The lady working suggested Curly Girl. It was at that moment that I learned to accept my curls. Curly Girl was the starting point for me, which brought me here for more answers. I do re read the book for the personal stories at times. I would say if you are all ready active here, the book probably won't be that much more helpful to you.

    What has LM changed her stance on since CG?
  • AlexjoujouAlexjoujou Posts: 2,364Registered Users
    I had it..swapped it. Helpful but there is much more info on this site.

    I find Tiffany's ebook (Live Curly Live Free) to be a lot better...and the stories on this website to be better than the ones in the CG book.

    I just didn't feel like I needed to keep it:)
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  • curlybeautycurlybeauty Posts: 81Registered Users
    Yes, I have read it.

  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    Yes. I have a copy when I first read it I was like oh now all that stuff I figured out on my own 10 years ago makes sense. It taught me about silicones/sulfates and I liked the stories and styles. Other then that I learn everything else through this website and trial and error.
  • onethousandcurlsonethousandcurls Posts: 1,118Registered Users
    Don't spend money on it. This website has everything it has plus more, but if you'd like to be sure you've got the "basics" (like me):

    GET IT FROM THE LIBRARY!
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  • swansinaprilswansinapril Posts: 117Registered Users
    I've read the book and really I dont think it's worth buying. Rent it if you can. It's very short and simple and there's no reason to own it, in my opinion. There is much more info available here and elsewhere on the net.
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  • vtcurlievtcurlie Posts: 16Registered Users
    I found the site and then the book. Frankly, there is so much information on the site that as a newbie I couldn't make sense of it all. When I read the book it explained everything at a simple level which gave me a good starting point. I would suggest the book for a newbie who is feeling overwhelmed with the volume of info on this site and who doesn't know where to begin.
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  • WurlyLoxWurlyLox Posts: 4,858Registered Users
    Yes and it was a good starting point.

    But the information is much better here especially she only uses categories of wavy, botticelli and corkscrew IIRC. As has been discussed thoroughly here, there are so many factors outside curl type that determine what will work and what won't work for each individual.

    Plus as already stated she's changed her stance on some things which makes the book a bit dated now.

    Yes, I read it, but I get worlds more info here or from many of the blogs you can link to from here than from the book.

    ITA with all Whatsercurl had to say about it.
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  • CurlieTopCurlieTop Posts: 345Registered Users
    I was admittedly a bit disappointed as well, though for different reasons.

    First of all - and I know I'm in the minority here - what bothers me the most is the fact that a lot of the book is filled with half-page "curly girl confessions" which are random people describing how they've come to accept their curly hair... I know she's trying to do just the opposite, but calling them "confessions" really reinforces the idea that we should have to apologize for our hair (an idea already prevalent throughout the book). This "curly shame" thing was honestly a new concept to me, something that had never dawned on me until I read that book. Yes, our hair gets frizzy and doesn't look great if we don't take the time to style it... big deal.

    I think the most unique thing about the book is its introduction of the "no poo" technique. However I have to admit (and with all due respect), the way Ms. Massey's hair looks makes me *not* want to forego my squeaky clean shampoo. I can't help but feel like her hair *still* looks dry and a bit frizzy even though she's supposedly discovered this miraculous routine which is purported to eliminate those two problems.

    I also think using "real-life people" of all ages as models is a great idea on paper, but in real life it is a double-edged sword... I say this because I honestly would not want my hair to look like that of 70-80% of the models pictured in the book. There are quite a few real-life people on this website, with real-life curly hair, who look absolutely stunning - far more so than most of the hairdos and haircuts pictured in her book.

    I really liked the historical timeline at the end of the book, it was very interesting. However the horoscopes right after were very very silly.

    Anyway that's my review. I apologize if it made me sound shallow! Just my honest opinion!
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  • crystal tipscrystal tips Posts: 240Registered Users
    Well, I will always be grateful for this book as it introduced me to the CG method. But I agree with everyone else - the information contained within it has been surpassed by the info and experiences of all the knowledgeable curlies on boards such as this!

    I first discovered it at a salon I used to go to and I have now given it to my new stylist at a different salon as they were v interested to learn about the CG method and cutting curls etc. Great! :sunny:
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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I was admittedly a bit disappointed as well, though for different reasons.

    First of all - and I know I'm in the minority here - what bothers me the most is the fact that a lot of the book is filled with half-page "curly girl confessions" which are random people describing how they've come to accept their curly hair... I know she's trying to do just the opposite, but calling them "confessions" really reinforces the idea that we should have to apologize for our hair (an idea already prevalent throughout the book). This "curly shame" thing was honestly a new concept to me, something that had never dawned on me until I read that book. Yes, our hair gets frizzy and doesn't look great if we don't take the time to style it... big deal.

    I think the most unique thing about the book is its introduction of the "no poo" technique. However I have to admit (and with all due respect), the way Ms. Massey's hair looks makes me *not* want to forego my squeaky clean shampoo. I can't help but feel like her hair *still* looks dry and a bit frizzy even though she's supposedly discovered this miraculous routine which is purported to eliminate those two problems.

    I also think using "real-life people" of all ages as models is a great idea on paper, but in real life it is a double-edged sword... I say this because I honestly would not want my hair to look like that of 70-80% of the models pictured in the book. There are quite a few real-life people on this website, with real-life curly hair, who look absolutely stunning - far more so than most of the hairdos and haircuts pictured in her book.

    I really liked the historical timeline at the end of the book, it was very interesting. However the horoscopes right after were very very silly.

    Anyway that's my review. I apologize if it made me sound shallow! Just my honest opinion!

    Don't apologize. It's an honest opinion--I feel the same way. I don't think LM's hair looks good in the book, or videos, etc. It may rock, in person--but I haven't had the opportunity to see it that way.
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  • piratecurlpiratecurl Posts: 104Registered Users
    I have the book and it was helpful at first, but I have to agree there is much more info on this site. Also, I thought she was coming out with a new version, so I wouldn't buy the book on e-bay unless it is the new one and has updated info.
  • TeresinaTeresina Posts: 291Registered Users
    I've read it too but this site, like everyone has said, has so much more information. I did hear though, from my old stylist, that Lorraine is coming out with a new version of the book.
    Teresina
    3b/3c/4a coarse, high porosity
  • WurlyLoxWurlyLox Posts: 4,858Registered Users
    Crystal Tips, I just checked out Flickr, and I'm in love with your hair! Love the new cut, but it'd already been looking great for months. Wish I could get those darned clamps to work well for me, but I'm not quite a curly as you any more, and it usually just looks weird and bunchy.

    Sorry to guano, ya'll!
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    Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

    HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

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