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Scott Brown wins in MA

susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
Interesting to see if it is called a 'referendum' or judgment on Obama and his administration. I think Brown won by about the some margin as Obama won. And with 22% of Dems reporting they voted FOR Brown and not AGAINST Coakley.

How voting should work. I would dearly love to see the Senatorial elections go back to being decided by the state and NOT popular vote...they don't represent the people when they are elected that way...they feel obligated to whichever party they belong to....both sides of the aisle.

Thank you Massachusetts. Now to find someone up there to send me a Scott Brown t-shirt. Wonder what they are going for on ebay..............
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    He's a klassy guy. During his acceptance speech, he was trying to pimp out his daughters. Seems like a real ashole.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Yeah, what was that? I'm at my mom's house and I overheard her watching it. She's a conservative and let me tell you she was NOT amused.
  • wavezncurlzwavezncurlz Posts: 1,814Registered Users
    No referendum.
    I got this info from a poster on another site and it sums up what I want to say much better than I could:

    First, the president's rating in the State of Massachusetts is very high. He has a high approval rating in the state. He has a 67% approval rating in MA:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gallup.com%2Fpoll%2F125264%2FMa...dent-Base.aspx" class="Popup

    Second, Ms. Coakley ran a horrible campaign. How are you going to go on vacay less than a month before the election?

    Third, turnout was very low in Democratic districts, especially majority-black districts. When minorities fail to turnout, it favors Republicans. That's why Republicans are always crying foul about voter registration (ACORN, anybody?). They don't want people to vote. High turnout = positive outcome for Democrats. This is a Special Election. Historically these types of elections don't produce high turnout no matter who's running.

    Finally, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL!! This has more to do with the individual candidate and the issues with Mass health care program than with anything outside of Massachusetts.


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  • 3cCurly3cCurly Posts: 114Users Awaiting Email Confirmation
    I never come here, but I just had to come back and rub it in :evil3::cheers:

    The people has spoken and this is a clear message to the Obama machine and democrat politicians that we will vote yo azz out if you vote for this insane health care plan... It's a new day.:blob2:This is not only a victory for in Boston, Ma but for everyone across the country:cheers:

    Go Brown!!!whoaaaaa!
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    I think it's good thing. I voted for the Republican candidate for Senate from my state (KY) in 2008. The U.S. Senate was the most powerful body in the world. As a unit, it has more power than the President. I have long felt more comfortable with a Dem Pres and House with a Rep Senate. I hope that the Republicans take the Senate in November. That will make Obama a better president and assure his re-election in 2012.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    He's a klassy guy. During his acceptance speech, he was trying to pimp out his daughters. Seems like a real ashole.

    Yeah, that was actually "classy" with a K and an i. With a heart dotting the i.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

    I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO. :shaking2:

    Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

    R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!
  • wavezncurlzwavezncurlz Posts: 1,814Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

    I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO. :shaking2:

    Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

    R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!

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  • tendrillytendrilly Posts: 183Registered Users
    No referendum.
    I got this info from a poster on another site and it sums up what I want to say much better than I could:

    First, the president's rating in the State of Massachusetts is very high. He has a high approval rating in the state. He has a 67% approval rating in MA:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gallup.com%2Fpoll%2F125264%2FMa...dent-Base.aspx" class="Popup

    Second, Ms. Coakley ran a horrible campaign. How are you going to go on vacay less than a month before the election?

    Third, turnout was very low in Democratic districts, especially majority-black districts. When minorities fail to turnout, it favors Republicans. That's why Republicans are always crying foul about voter registration (ACORN, anybody?). They don't want people to vote. High turnout = positive outcome for Democrats. This is a Special Election. Historically these types of elections don't produce high turnout no matter who's running.

    Finally, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL!! This has more to do with the individual candidate and the issues with Mass health care program than with anything outside of Massachusetts.


    I know you will not agree though...

    Okay, I still don't know how to cut up the quotes. :confused: So, on your first point, yes, the President still personally popular, especially in a place such as Massachusetts. It's his policies that are becoming increasingly unpopular. When only 35% of Americans want your health care bill and you try to ram it through anyway, there are going to be lots of people saying, "Whoa, stop!" Including, as we all just found out, even in Massachusetts.

    Did Coakley run an embarrassingly bad campaign? Yep. Was she a gaffe machine who would have been "Quayled" by the media had she been a Republican? Yep. Did these things, coupled with her complacency, contribute to her loss? Definitely.

    About turnout, Republicans don't cry foul over voter registration, they cry foul over voter fraud. Big difference. ACORN is notorious for having workers rack up bogus voter registration cards. (This is a fact, not a partisan accusation.) Vote fraud threatens everyone's vote by cancelling out someone else's legitimate vote. I was living in WA state when Christine Gregoire won the governorship through such shenanigans during the recount. Al Franken's win in MN comes to mind as well, with the differing standards for counting absentee ballots and boxes of ballots miraculously showing up days after the election.

    I'd actually love to see the purple ink pots at the polls like they have in Iraqi elections -- helping to ensure that everyone votes once. It is the Democrats who cry foul when these types of commonsense measures (including showing ID when you vote, allowing military ballots more time to arrive, etc.) are discussed. The absentee ballot system is very commonly used for vote fraud and really should be revamped.

    From what I heard, there was in fact pretty high turnout yesterday in Massachusetts. Something like 51% of MA voters are registered Independents, so in this election, with all the planets aligning for Scott Brown politically, they were not a lock this time for the Dem candidate. I think you are making a lot of generalizations in assuming that high turnout is always good for Democrats. People in Massachusetts were motivated. It just looks like Brown's supporters were more motivated than Coakley's.

    About your point that all politics is local, yes, who can argue with that? :) But Brown specifically ran as the "41st vote" against Obama's and the Democrat's health care bill, as well as being serious about national security and not giving terrorists constitutional rights (his line last night was great -- our tax dollars should be spent defeating them, not paying for their defense lawyers), lowering taxes (remember the ingenious JFK ad he did in black and white?), among other things that have national implications.

    Anyway, we will see how this Brown election affects things. It should be an interesting 2010 for us political junkies.
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

    I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO. :shaking2:

    Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

    R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!

    Riiiight. Cuz, we all know that libs never gloat. :rolleyes:
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  • tendrillytendrilly Posts: 183Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

    I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO. :shaking2:

    Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

    R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!

    I don't know, I think you find all types on both sides. People are people. For every 'ranty' or 'mean-spirited' conservative that you may point to, I can point to Keith Olbermann with his over-the-top personal attack/diatribe against Scott Brown the other day. Talk about a need to relax and chill! Or even the President of the United States mocking Brown's pickup truck (what was it? 15 times in his speech?) during his MA appearance on Sunday.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    tendrilly wrote: »
    [Or even the President of the United States mocking Brown's pickup truck (what was it? 15 times in his speech?) during his MA appearance on Sunday.

    What did he say about a truck?
  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    misspam wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

    I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO. :shaking2:

    Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

    R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!

    Riiiight. Cuz, we all know that libs never gloat. :rolleyes:

    LOL my thoughts exactly
  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    tendrilly wrote: »
    [Or even the President of the United States mocking Brown's pickup truck (what was it? 15 times in his speech?) during his MA appearance on Sunday.

    What did he say about a truck?


    I looked it up. What I gathered, Brown had an ad with him and his truck, loves his truck, truck makes him more like everyone else.

    Obama was saying, big deal, you have a truck.

    THE HORROR!

    Obama hates trucks, trucks are American. Obama hates AMERICA (well he is a non-citizen, marxist, socialist, terrorist...)
  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Frankly I think racists (overt or deep seeded) tend to lean to the right. Obama's win has pissed them off into a tizzy. They are mad.

    So any "fail" on Obama's administration fills them with glee, despite what it means for Americans.
  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Frankly I think racists (overt or deep seeded) tend to lean to the right. Obama's win has pissed them off into a tizzy. They are mad.

    So any "fail" on Obama's administration fills them with glee, despite what it means for Americans.

    There is fair amount of racist in your own party. You don't need to look to hard (check out Democratic congress members). Has it ever occurred to you the perhaps people are happy because they disagree with your opinion on healthcare. You think it will save everyone and others think it will ruin everyone. Not everything is about race... you're making it about race.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    misspam wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Decidedly more ranty. Liberals strike me as more chill.

    I mean, look at this thread. Geez, CTFO. :shaking2:

    Maybe it's because the party's been on a death spiral, so they're feeling all underdoggy or something.

    R-E-L-A-X, my little conservative friends. You'll live longer and be able to send more of your kind to the Senate! Yay!

    Riiiight. Cuz, we all know that libs never gloat. :rolleyes:

    Actually, libs really do seem less vindictive.

    Please take note: I'm not a liberal, I'm pretty moderate. So I'm watching from the outside here. And that last paragraph I wrote, I meant it. I want there to be a balance. But the meanness has got to stop and it's mostly emanating from the right as of late. For real.

    And again, take a look at this very thread. And many political threads on here. It's almost always the conservatives who go on some sort of ad hominem, ranty tear, not the liberals.

    I just have very little patience for people who just want to whine but aren't contributing anything. Whether it's a perception problem, I don't know, but that's how conservatives are coming across these days.
  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Is it just me, or are conservatives, on average, more mean-spirited than liberals? Or gloaty, or something?

    Frankly I think racists (overt or deep seeded) tend to lean to the right. Obama's win has pissed them off into a tizzy. They are mad.

    So any "fail" on Obama's administration fills them with glee, despite what it means for Americans.

    There is fair amount of racist in your own party. You don't need to look to hard (check out Democratic congress members). Has it ever occurred to you the perhaps people are happy because they disagree with your opinion on healthcare. You think it will save everyone and others think it will ruin everyone. Not everything is about race... you're making it about race.

    I was referring to the mean spirted nature of some. And A LOT of the ugliness stems from the fact that Obama is black.
  • ScarletScarlet Posts: 3,125Registered Users
    I guess no one here has ever checked out DU or the Daily Kos.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Scarlet wrote: »
    I guess no one here has ever checked out DU or the Daily Kos.

    Everyone keeps mentioning pundits. I'm talking about regular folk.

    I've seen people lamenting about how someone in their own family on Facebook has defriended them because of politics. I've personally seen three separate instances of this. The person who lost it and defriended is conservative in all three instances. In each case, the liberal person was saddened and disappointed to lose their perspective. There was no "Ha! Good riddance!" attitude. Far from it.

    I can't even talk to my mom about anything political. At all. It always degrades into her yelling and ranting about something. Ad hominem galore. We have an otherwise wonderfully supportive and mutually respectful friendship. Even when things get a little political, we can sometimes get through it unscathed. But it's very, very touchy — not on my part, but on hers. Why is that?

    I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the face: we need to work together. In my view, the conservative side is severely lacking in meeting their responsibility for promoting reasonable discourse. They are a party without a leader and in a downward [if not a death] spiral. And they're taking everyone down with them. But we need them, we need their reasoned perspective. Not this histrionic, conspiratorial, paranoid BS that seems to rule the day.
  • wavycurly40+wavycurly40+ Posts: 2,017Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Scarlet wrote: »
    I guess no one here has ever checked out DU or the Daily Kos.

    Everyone keeps mentioning pundits. I'm talking about regular folk.

    I've seen people lamenting about how someone in their own family on Facebook has defriended them because of politics. I've personally seen three separate instances of this. The person who lost it and defriended is conservative in all three instances. In each case, the liberal person was saddened and disappointed to lose their perspective. There was no "Ha! Good riddance!" attitude. Far from it.

    I can't even talk to my mom about anything political. At all. It always degrades into her yelling and ranting about something. Ad hominem galore. We have an otherwise wonderfully supportive and mutually respectful friendship. Even when things get a little political, we can sometimes get through it unscathed. But it's very, very touchy — not on my part, but on hers. Why is that?

    I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the face: we need to work together. In my view, the conservative side is severely lacking in meeting their responsibility for promoting reasonable discourse. They are a party without a leader and in a downward [if not a death] spiral. And they're taking everyone down with them. But we need them, we need their reasoned perspective. Not this histrionic, conspiratorial, paranoid BS that seems to rule the day.

    Yes. This. +1000. Bravo!
    What really needs to happen is that reasonable Republicans need to take back their party. I'll still disagree with them, but WHAT a relief it will be to debate them rationally.

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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    Scarlet wrote: »
    I guess no one here has ever checked out DU or the Daily Kos.

    Everyone keeps mentioning pundits. I'm talking about regular folk.

    I've seen people lamenting about how someone in their own family on Facebook has defriended them because of politics. I've personally seen three separate instances of this. The person who lost it and defriended is conservative in all three instances. In each case, the liberal person was saddened and disappointed to lose their perspective. There was no "Ha! Good riddance!" attitude. Far from it.

    I can't even talk to my mom about anything political. At all. It always degrades into her yelling and ranting about something. Ad hominem galore. We have an otherwise wonderfully supportive and mutually respectful friendship. Even when things get a little political, we can sometimes get through it unscathed. But it's very, very touchy — not on my part, but on hers. Why is that?

    I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the face: we need to work together. In my view, the conservative side is severely lacking in meeting their responsibility for promoting reasonable discourse. They are a party without a leader and in a downward [if not a death] spiral. And they're taking everyone down with them. But we need them, we need their reasoned perspective. Not this histrionic, conspiratorial, paranoid BS that seems to rule the day.

    Yes. This. +1000. Bravo!
    What really needs to happen is that reasonable Republicans need to take back their party. I'll still disagree with them, but WHAT a relief it will be to debate them rationally.

    yes
  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    There seems to be a very short attention span here. Liberal writers were writing books called How to Kill President Bush. How is that not mean spirited? People said god awful things about him... yet it's not ok when it's Obama. I don't believe in lowering myself to make fun of Obama or attack him on a personal level (such as family members, the color of his skin, etc.). Perhaps because of where you get your news you don't see the nasty stuff that gets thrown from your side. But there is plenty to go around from both sides and that doesn't make it right. You should really look into it more before stating the the left doesn't do this to the same degree. Liberals are constantly calling anyone who doesn't agree with them gun toting, religious whack jobs, uneducated, rednecks, homophobes, racist, sexist, etc.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    I'm not going to even argue this point with anyone anymore, tonight I lived it. Alienation from my own mother. Thank you Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh et al.

    This is happening all over the country, people. It's not funny anymore. And these azzholes are just trying to make money, while families are literally being torn apart, including my own.

    I couldn't get through to her at all. She's completely lost to us. She doesn't see anything beyond the limited POV she's getting from talk radio.

    Scarlet, earlier you said that no one checks the DU or the Daily Kos. I didn't say so earlier, but I don't even know what the DU is. And I never read the Daily Kos. So, no, I don't check them. Meanwhile, my mother listens to conservative talk radio morning, noon and night.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    But there is plenty to go around from both sides and that doesn't make it right. You should really look into it more before stating the the left doesn't do this to the same degree. Liberals are constantly calling anyone who doesn't agree with them gun toting, religious whack jobs, uneducated, rednecks, homophobes, racist, sexist, etc.

    Of course there is. But I don't know one single case of a liberal who's been so off-the-charts hostile that they've alienated friends and family. Whereas I know 3 situations, now 4 including myself and my mom, where a conservative has.
  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    But there is plenty to go around from both sides and that doesn't make it right. You should really look into it more before stating the the left doesn't do this to the same degree. Liberals are constantly calling anyone who doesn't agree with them gun toting, religious whack jobs, uneducated, rednecks, homophobes, racist, sexist, etc.

    Of course there is. But I don't know one single case of a liberal who's been so off-the-charts hostile that they've alienated friends and family. Whereas I know 3 situations, now 4 including myself and my mom, where a conservative has.

    Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I sent something to a friend once that she didn't agree with (she is a liberal) and she chewed me out and said she never want to speak to me again and I was a horrible person. People are sick of the stuff that is going on in DC right now. I can't blame them but it doesn't make sense to follow anyone blindly without thinking for yourself. Sorry about your mom. I listen to both of those people but I refuse to follow either one blindly. There are many times I disagree with them.
  • BBBB Posts: 475Registered Users
    If you feel like bragging about a racist, sexist homophobe who posed naked in Cosmo, have at it.

    It pisses me off that if he were a she and had posed in Playboy, the moral outrage would have been deafening.

    It is interesting that Mass. already has healthcare reform so even if he votes against the national bill, the people in his state are still covered.
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  • ScarletScarlet Posts: 3,125Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    But there is plenty to go around from both sides and that doesn't make it right. You should really look into it more before stating the the left doesn't do this to the same degree. Liberals are constantly calling anyone who doesn't agree with them gun toting, religious whack jobs, uneducated, rednecks, homophobes, racist, sexist, etc.

    Of course there is. But I don't know one single case of a liberal who's been so off-the-charts hostile that they've alienated friends and family. Whereas I know 3 situations, now 4 including myself and my mom, where a conservative has.

    Well, I do. Exhibit A: a lib friend who started screaming in the middle of the Metropolitan Museum of Art during what thad been a rather enjoyable day... until she initiated yet another political conversation with two of us who had told her that it's best that we don't discuss politics. She can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with her, because by God, she's right and she's going to hammer us over the head until Hallelujah! we see the light.

    I think the entire UES of Manhattan heard her.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    .Liberals are constantly calling anyone who doesn't agree with them gun toting, religious whack jobs, uneducated, rednecks, homophobes, racist, sexist, etc.

    I don't think that at all. What I do know that the Republican party pimped it's soul to gather votes for those types by using racist tinged scare tactics.
  • anonymous_22139anonymous_22139 Posts: 659Registered Users
    BB wrote: »
    If you feel like bragging about a racist, sexist homophobe who posed naked in Cosmo, have at it.

    It pisses me off that if he were a she and had posed in Playboy, the moral outrage would have been deafening.

    It is interesting that Mass. already has healthcare reform so even if he votes against the national bill, the people in his state are still covered.

    LOL....moral outrage...like Dem Presidential candidate John Edwards fathering a child with his woman while his wife was fighting for her life with cancer? That kind of moral outrage?
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