CurlTalk

To Jenny Furrens & other modified CGers!!

Jenny, I noticed how you say in your fotki that your curls seem to spring up when you shampoo...?
I am on strict CG now (3 weeks on sunday), but I can honestly say that I was much curlier before...
I"ve always used gentle poos & avoided cones anyway-because I read so many beautymagazines!
So everybody-why does CG make some A LOT more curly & makes mine less...?
Otherwise than that I havent had any problems,itching,grasy hair...no..
but where did my curls go :?:
2C/3A,jetblack indian curls:)

Comments

  • IwantcurlyhairIwantcurlyhair Posts: 338Registered Users
    Not Jenny buy my theory is..if your hair is dry or damaged the extra oil will be good for your curls..but if your hair is really healthy, the oil only weighs down your curls and keeps them from their maximum boinginess potential. :?:
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    I've never really speculated into it too much, but i know my hair is really easily prone to buildup and almost every styling product i own has at least one polyquat. although i cant feel the buildup, i'm assuming a clarifying rinse or wash helps remove any unfelt/noticed buildup helping the curls spring up.

    also, my hair is prone to overconditioning and overconditioing causes your hair to be fluffy, flyaway and not clump. i think fine curly hair, such as mine, actually needs a little harshness or lack of conditioning to make it clump and curl. without a cleansing wash at least once a week my hair will just be in too good a condition so that it is fluffier and hangs more limp than bouncy tight curls.

    thats just my theory but all i know is cleansing once a week does help my curls, so i just do it :)

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • esmeraldaesmeralda Posts: 187Registered Users
    Thanks for the replies!

    Iwantcurlyhair, I dont use oil as my hair doesnt agree with them.
    A little bit is ok, but Jessicurl is too much.

    Jenny, I can relate to what you say about that finer curlies need tougher treatment!! My hair is best by the sea, with all that saltwater & not too much conditioning.
    I"m off to shampoo now!!
    2C/3A,jetblack indian curls:)
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    yeh i get the BEST beach hair! i love it! i acutally get volume, ALL my hair is in tight curls (think redcelticcurl style) and the only downside is it feels really dry. i tried making a spray with salt added but the dry feeling wouldnt go away.

    i recommend a lemon rinse over a shampoo as it doesnt dry hair out at all and makes it smoother and knot free, moreso than a good conditioner. but a shampoo is ok too - just dont go back to sulfates. cocobetaine or something similar is ok :)

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • snap catsnap cat Posts: 72Registered Users
    I agree with the second post - that if your hair already doesn't need much moisture, then only co-washing will give it more moisture and weigh down the curls. I have photos of my hair before CG and it is full of volume. Now, though, it isn't as much. I'm still quite new to CG though, so who knows what will happen once I get into a routine I like.

    Maybe try shampooing ocassionally and see if it makes a difference. As long as your hair is healthy it doesn't matter if you can't call yourself CG :wink:
    3b? Who knows!!
    Very modified-cg.
    Current likes: Too Shea!, WDT, Curls Milkshake, Re:coil, Curls Spiral Cream, CCSS, - not all at the same time :D
    pw: miaow - updated 2006-10-04
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    yeh dryness = volume for me, and super shiny conditioned hair = flat head with no volume. i'm still trying to find a happy medium :roll:

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    yeh dryness = volume for me, and super shiny conditioned hair = flat head with no volume. i'm still trying to find a happy medium :roll:

    I find this to be interesting as I'm the total opposite. Dry for me is flat fuuzy and no curl.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • jennyfurrensjennyfurrens Posts: 708Registered Users
    well i dont know - when dry i DO get a lot more frizz and it doesnt look as good but i get more volume and the curls are more curly.

    i guess its more true that my hair doesnt curl as much when over conditioned. my ideal hair would be beach hair all the time without the dryness. it really does like yours red, which i can never acheive normally unless its cut up to my ears :roll:

    cleanse: OS shampoo. PureNuffStuff cleanser.
    condition: Aussie 3MM. Jessicurl Aloeba.
    style: B2Basics GreenTeaGel. T&G Curl Balm. JCarter Nourish&Shine.


    pw: curlywurly
  • OctoberBaby02OctoberBaby02 Posts: 105Registered Users
    My hair needs shampoo a couple of times a week. Otherwise it goes flat and gets too frizzy from overconditioning. I guess my hair is in pretty decent shape afterall! I use L'Oreal Nature's Therapy Mega Moisture shampoo which is really gentle (just has sodium laureth sulfate, but no lauryl or coco-betaine). I still can't figure out what makes certain types of hair like shampoo compared to those who can't use it without getting a ton of frizz/lifeless curls. I have tried full blown CG a few times and it just wont work for me. But I am happy doing a modified CG. My hair is looking better every day, so I must be doing something right! :)
    |~*~Carly~*~ |24 yrs old|Type 2C hair|
  • esmeraldaesmeralda Posts: 187Registered Users
    I just shampooed!! Already when coming out of the shower my curls looked tighter!!YAY!!
    Ingredients:
    Hypericum perforatum extract (millepertuis), water, ammonium lauryl sulfate, peg-4 rapeseesamide, peg-7 glyceryl cocoate, disodium cocoamphodiacetate, ceteareth-60 myristyl glycol, peg-15 cocopolyamine. sodium laureth sulfate....

    Ok, I am bored of typing it all...this is NOT a complete list.
    Its Phyto Phytonectar shampoo for ultradry hair
    -has hydrolyzed proteins
    -polyquaternium-10
    -bitter orange flower wax
    2C/3A,jetblack indian curls:)
  • DominicanaHeatDominicanaHeat Posts: 2,729Registered Users
    I did notice a tighter curl pattern when I used regular shampoo a couple of months ago. I liked that, but it dried my hair and messed my scalp up.
    3a/3b thick coarse WL dark brown hair. CG/Mod CG since: 5/4/05. Current products: Right now my hair is in such a tizzy over this winter weather we are hving that nothing really seems to be working. I need a haircut.
  • IwantcurlyhairIwantcurlyhair Posts: 338Registered Users
    I think there has to be a delicate balance honestly in order to get the maximum curl potential. Curly hair is obviously dry by nature which is why CG works for so many curlies..especially tighter haired curlies. However for some of us when you get to that maximum moisture level all it does is make our curls heavier or get overconditoned. Some people never have to worry about getting overconditioned or having too much moisture but I think that's what those of us who are modified have found. And obviously if you wash your hair too often or with too harsh of a shampoo your hair will get dry all over again. So a balance is needed for some of us(I think especially loose curlies or wavies, or fine haired curlies that get weighed down).
  • Oregano  (formerly babywavy)Oregano (formerly babywavy) Posts: 5,297Registered Users
    The people whose curls have benefitted a lot from CG have probably been on a CG routine for a long time. Within the first month of CG, you will probably notice your hair weighed down and frizzy. This is usually while your hair gets used to the no shampoo thing.

    The 2 to 3 week point in CG is usually known for being difficult.
    ~ the artist formerly known as babywavy ~

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  • KurleeKurlee Posts: 1,354Registered Users
    I've never really speculated into it too much, but i know my hair is really easily prone to buildup and almost every styling product i own has at least one polyquat. although i cant feel the buildup, i'm assuming a clarifying rinse or wash helps remove any unfelt/noticed buildup helping the curls spring up.

    also, my hair is prone to overconditioning and overconditioing causes your hair to be fluffy, flyaway and not clump. i think fine curly hair, such as mine, actually needs a little harshness or lack of conditioning to make it clump and curl. without a cleansing wash at least once a week my hair will just be in too good a condition so that it is fluffier and hangs more limp than bouncy tight curls.

    thats just my theory but all i know is cleansing once a week does help my curls, so i just do it :)

    My hair is this way too. I have fine strands. I was on CG for well over a year and my hair got really healthy. During this time my highlights also grew out.
    This year, if I don't shampoo every week it gets over conditioned build up=y and droopy. Well, so I have to shampoo.

  • kimmyckimmyc Posts: 551Registered Users
    I use my sulfate free cleanser once a week and occasionally I have to clarify with Elucence clarifying shampoo. The first year I tried CG I had to do it a couple of times that summer. This year I just clarified about 2 weeks ago. Every once in a while my hair will just get build up on it and be limp and frizzy. It doesn't happen as often now that I'm used to what my hair likes but full CG wasn't for me.

    Everyone has different curls and I think that as long as I follow the basic rules of it and don't use cones or proteins then my hair is much healthier than it was before I found this site.
    2b/3a, primarily use Jessicurl and DevaCurl products, Curls Hair Tea conditioner and various gels. I'm modified CG-ish since 5/04.
  • WildflowerWildflower Posts: 112Registered Users
    I've never really speculated into it too much, but i know my hair is really easily prone to buildup and almost every styling product i own has at least one polyquat. although i cant feel the buildup, i'm assuming a clarifying rinse or wash helps remove any unfelt/noticed buildup helping the curls spring up.

    also, my hair is prone to overconditioning and overconditioing causes your hair to be fluffy, flyaway and not clump. i think fine curly hair, such as mine, actually needs a little harshness or lack of conditioning to make it clump and curl. without a cleansing wash at least once a week my hair will just be in too good a condition so that it is fluffier and hangs more limp than bouncy tight curls.

    thats just my theory but all i know is cleansing once a week does help my curls, so i just do it :)

    To be honest I agree.

    Im a 3B curly - fine hair - just lots of it. I am on my third day of CG and my hair is fluffy, flyaway, with no definition.

    I think Im going back to my shampoo.
    pw: curls
  • SweetPicklesSweetPickles Posts: 850Registered Users
    Curly hair is obviously dry by nature which is why CG works for so many curlies...
    This isn't necessarily true. I'm one of those curlies who Massey claims cannot possibly exist: my hair is not the least bit dry, and in fact actually tends toward being oily, despite the fact that I use shampoo (though now it's a sulfate-free one) and diffuse every, single day. I know I'm in the curly minority, but I'm not the only one in the world like this!
    Hair type: Completely confused: mostly 3a, some 3b parts, and even 2 in places; very fine and thin.
    Products: Elucence clarifying & MBC; CK, F/X Curl Booster Fixative Gel (when I can find it)
  • IwantcurlyhairIwantcurlyhair Posts: 338Registered Users
    Curly hair is obviously dry by nature which is why CG works for so many curlies...
    This isn't necessarily true. I'm one of those curlies who Massey claims cannot possibly exist: my hair is not the least bit dry, and in fact actually tends toward being oily, despite the fact that I use shampoo (though now it's a sulfate-free one) and diffuse every, single day. I know I'm in the curly minority, but I'm not the only one in the world like this!
    That's really interesting. I've seriously never heard of someone with curly hair whose hair isn't dry. And every singe article I've ever read on curly hair also seems to suggest the same thing. I've even had a few stylists reassure me that "curly hair is dry by nature" so I should give up on the idea that my hair will ever be less dry. Thank you for saying that, I've learned something new today! (And lucky you!)

    ETA: After re-reading this thread, also in my original post what I think I meant by the oil was the scalp's natural oils that it produces. I don't think condition washing completely removes all of that. Also strict condition washing can(but doesn't always!) lead to buildup of many things which would also weigh down fine curls. Even co-washing with cheap conditioners that don't have cones or polyquats leads to build up in my hair. My hair is currently overconditioned and I can feel build up as well. I'm glad this got bumped up, it reminds me that I need to poo. :lol:
  • happy-girlhappy-girl Posts: 208Registered Users
    I'm actually not dry either unless I use ridiculously harsh products long term. I have to shampoo every single day or my hair just gets flat and limp. My hair is fairly thick and moderately coarse, too. CG was a disaster for me. My scalp was disgusting and my hair was insanely frizzy no matter how much product I piled on to try to control it.

    My magic equation for healthy looking defined hair seems to be: Daily shampoo + moderate conditioning + lightweight, firm hold styling and ALWAYS diffusing dry. So basically, the exact opposite of what L. Massey says. Go figure.
    Mid-back length 3a, red.
    Currently using: Joico, Redken, LA Looks Curl Look gel, BRHG.
  • curlyjenncurlyjenn Posts: 585Registered Users
    My hair's not dry either. I like to use a leave-in just because it helps to smooth the curl a bit. But, if I use a leave-in I can't use a wash-out because I get all over-conditioned. I don't diffuse, though, so I don't know if that would dry me out. I don't think I've ever had dry hair except when I used to put straighteners in it years ago.
    I'm a 3b, with 3c underneath.

    Used to be CG, now I'm not. Using Suave Aloe & Waterlily shampoo & condish, JoiWhip, BRHG, Suave Aloe gel, Aussie Tizz No Frizz, and anything else that looks good!
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  • SweetPicklesSweetPickles Posts: 850Registered Users
    happy-girl wrote:
    I'm actually not dry either unless I use ridiculously harsh products long term. I have to shampoo every single day or my hair just gets flat and limp. My hair is fairly thick and moderately coarse, too. CG was a disaster for me. My scalp was disgusting and my hair was insanely frizzy no matter how much product I piled on to try to control it.

    My magic equation for healthy looking defined hair seems to be: Daily shampoo + moderate conditioning + lightweight, firm hold styling and ALWAYS diffusing dry. So basically, the exact opposite of what L. Massey says. Go figure.
    Ha! Minus the "fairly thick and moderately coarse" part, this is me exactly!

    Curlyjenn, I have been diffusing my hair 100% dry pretty much daily for years, and have suffered zero damage. My stylist comments on it every time I get a trim, what unbelievably good shape it's in (haven't had a split end in years either). So I think it depends on the person whether diffusing causes dryness.
    That's really interesting. I've seriously never heard of someone with curly hair whose hair isn't dry. And every single article I've ever read on curly hair also seems to suggest the same thing. I've even had a few stylists reassure me that "curly hair is dry by nature" so I should give up on the idea that my hair will ever be less dry. Thank you for saying that, I've learned something new today! (And lucky you!)
    I think dry hair is common for the majority of curlyheads. But there really are some of us out there who don't have the least problem with it. I have used products that can make my hair *feel* dry, but it's not actually inherently dry and never has been. It gets frizzy and suffers from some of the same other problems, but that's caused by other factors.
    Hair type: Completely confused: mostly 3a, some 3b parts, and even 2 in places; very fine and thin.
    Products: Elucence clarifying & MBC; CK, F/X Curl Booster Fixative Gel (when I can find it)
  • IwantcurlyhairIwantcurlyhair Posts: 338Registered Users
    You know it was the assumption that curly hair is dry by nature that didn't make me think I was doing any harm to my hair all those years that I was straightening my hair. Stylists would tell me that my hair was always going to be dry and the best thing for me to do is smooth my hair with a flat iron and use a shine serum. :roll: But now that I've been taking better care of my hair I would say that my hair is "prone to dryness" but it definitely isn't always dry. Especially when it's humid out like it is here today, my hair is anything but dry!
    Here are a few of the many types of articles I've found that have supported my assumption.
    Conditioning your curly hair is one of the most important steps in your hair care regime. Curly hair is dry by nature and requires moisture. Continue to pump moisture, moisture, moisture back into your curly hair.
    from here. And there are dozens more too. Here's another one (read the part under curly hair).
    It amazes me that almost everything that my hair stylists have ever told me about my hair has been incorrect. Another assumption I have made is that because they are supposed to be the "hair experts" that they would be more knowledgeable than me on the subject(even though common sense should of told me that if my hair was dry, I should stop doing things that make my hair dry).
  • Kasey314Kasey314 Posts: 308Registered Users
    What a great thread!

    I just wanted to add my experiences to the mix. When I first started CG, my hair was in HORRIBLE condition - it was the driest and most damaged it's ever been, and my curl/wave was practically non-existent. I started a strict CG routine and the results were great; my hair stopped feeling like straw!!

    After three months however, my hair took a turn for the worse - it would go limp a few hours after showering, and in some cases would look completely straight (you can see this in the first few pics in my fotki). I decided that I needed to clarify, and after trying some home remedies that didn't work I started using a mild poo about three times a week. Voila! My hair was back to normal.

    I recently got my hair cut by a Devachan trained stylist in my area. I explained to her what had happened, and she said that I SHOULD be using Low-Poo whenever I need to! She even said that if my hair felt conditioned that I could just water wash! No Co!! :!: :?:

    I was in shock, but she explained to me that once your hair is in good condition you don't need as much moisture. This is especially true of a wavy like me.

    So, here are my thoughts on the subject. I think when Massey wrote her book most of the people reading it needed a major hair intervention. And it seems that people w/ tight curls can stay w/ this routine b/c in general that kind of hair is dry. But I, and it seems others, need a to use a mild poo once our hair is back in top shape.

    And, how can you call it "Modified-CG" if this advice is coming from Devachan? It's more like "CG, part 2!" :lol:
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  • WildflowerWildflower Posts: 112Registered Users
    I agree with this too - I got to a point where I was just over conditioning.

    I think sometimes my hair "feels" dry, but its not necessarily so, because it still gets definition and good curl.
    pw: curls