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Leave-in "grabbing" your hair OR leave-ins that DON'T have slip

Okay, Ms. DEL2C suggested this as another topic of discussion.

Alexjoujou brought up a brilliant point (in a product review thread I think -- can't remember which one) that she likes leave-ins that "grab" your hair. She sited Hairveda MCPro as a specific example. I knew what Alex was talking about, because some of the combo's I've had the most success with were combos that almost made my hair stiff while wet.

Del mentioned she'd also had a lot of success with leave-ins that make her hair feel this way, so she thinks we might be on to something (for some people at least).

SOooooOo now we need to discuss -- how does your favorite leave in make your hair feel -- AND if you do have leave ins that make your hair "grabby" which ones are they?

I like Hairveda MCPro for just this reason. Its "grabby". DEL -- maybe you can try Hairveda's protein free condish? I also think CJ BC leave in makes my hair grabby. Both Alex and I think the notable exception to the grabby rule is CJ CA leave in. That's just a good leave in no matter what hah.
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  • AlexjoujouAlexjoujou Posts: 2,364Registered Users
    This is great!

    I notice that my curl formation and it's ability to maintain that formation throughout the day is generally better with a leave in that "sets the stage" by not providing too much slip. It's not that I don't like slip but that I'm not looking for detangling in a leave in--I'm looking for something to provide moisture (and sometimes protein) that helps the curl enhancer work better.

    For me a leave in that has tons of slip and "slipperi-ness" is the Shescentit Coco Leave In. Although I love the smell and the moisture level it doesn't work as a leave in for me when I'm going for curl formation. It seems to have so much slip that the curls literally slide out. This may sound strange to some. However for my son it is the perfect leave in because he has very short hair that's much thicker and it prevents and helps tangles in his hair (we don't comb it much as he doesn't tangle like my daughter).

    I think it may be (the whole grab issue) because my curl is not strong by itself--it needs a lot of encouragement. My hair curls more (almost like a more grabby leave in actually holds my curls together better). My daughter's curl is very strong and she adores the greater slip leave in's. She gets fairy knots and her hair will go into dred's very easily if we aren't careful and the more slip the better for her.

    I'd be so curious to know if anyone else finds that they like the leave in's that grab your hair.

    So I find the leave in's that grab are:

    Terax Life Drops

    Hairveda Moist Condition Pro

    Donna Marie Conditioner

    Jasmine's Babassu Conditioner, Shea Conditioner and Moisture Renewal Leave in

    Curl Junkie Curl Rehab

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curl-Junkie-BeautiCurls-Leave-in-Hair-Conditioner-p-998.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=Curl-Junkie-BeautiCurls-Leave-In-Conditioner]CJ Beauticurls Leave In[/buylink]

    Lustrasilk OOC

    The leave in's or products I've tried as Leave In's that have too much slip for me are:

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink]

    Shescentit Coco Leave In

    GFTN/GFSS

    KBB Nectar


    The ones that work great even though they have slip are the CJ CA LI and the DB Pumpkin Conditioner.
    FIA 2c/3aFi

    Done experimenting! Loving Spiral Solutions products!

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    The only time I get grab from conditioners is if they have protein or panthenol or something else that is drying. That is not a good grab at all! That is craptastic grab.

    I want slip and smoothness in my leave in. No grabbing. My curls from well enough with that.

    [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink], though, does have grab for me. I just call it hold.

    I've been using Curl Junkie Curl Rehab as my winter leave-in quite often, and I get no grab, just smoothness. Smooth, soft, hold-my-cuticle-down smoothness.

    This might be a 2 vs 3 things, or a protein lover vs protein hater thing, or some other random unknown thing.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • goobernutgoobernut Posts: 2,317Registered Users
    I was thinking it was a protein thing, since alex was the only other person I'd heard talk about that -- but then DEL mentioned that she'd been having success with "grabby" leave ins and wanted the name of more leave-ins that feel grabby.

    So maybe its a weak curl vs strong curl thing? I hate using those terms, because we all know that one type of curl isn't "better" than the other lol, but since Alex, DEL, and I are all trying to fight "curl/wave fall out" it could be like alex said and we don't need a ton of slip for that last step.

    I don't know about DEL, but I know I'm not prone to tangles at all. I put any conditioner in my hair and it detangles.
    Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    I don't think it's a protein thing because Lustrasilk gives me that grabby feeling. It's the same kind of feeling I get from a curl cream that has some hold to it. I think there is something to the fact that as wavies we're trying to keep our curl as much as possible. That's quite a list Alex has going there!! I certainly haven't tried all those! I don't get that grabby feeling from CJ Rehab though but I only use it as a LI with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curl-Junkie-Curls-in-a-Bottle-p-995.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=Curl-Junkie-Curls-in-a-Bottle]CIAB[/buylink] because it adds weight to my hair. The two just play well together. I always reach for Lustrasilk this time of year. One thing I've noticed is stearamidopryl dimethylamine seems to help me with the "grab" I acutally liked Aura Cherry Almond Bark as a LI too. I agree with Alex that my past experience with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and KBB Milk or Nectar was too slippery. I like the silky feeling in my conditioners for my rinse out, I don't need it for detangling I just like that slip. :)
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • goobernutgoobernut Posts: 2,317Registered Users
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....
    Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.
  • CurlyQMomCurlyQMom Posts: 203Registered Users
    What a great topic! Like RCC,I want slip, and lots of it. My hair needs slip in its leave in or I can feel it tangling as I am applying my styler. I have always thought this was a porosity issue? I feel like I need the slip to get the cuticle to lay down.
    Sulfate & Silcone Free since July 2009
    2C-3A normal to high (ends) porosity, medium texture, lower end of med density
    Currently experimenting with Water Only Washing and dropping stylers

    Negative on: AOHR, mineral oil
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  • OperaCurlsOperaCurls Posts: 1,101Registered Users
    goobernut wrote: »
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....

    I was wondering about that... I like the Aura Cherry Bark condish as a leave-in BECAUSE it gives me slip. The only leave-in I've ever used & liked that was "grabby" was Burt's Bees Very Volumizing Pomegranate & Soy conditioner last winter.
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fopera-curls%2F" class="Popup (I cut my own hair)
    Pacific Northwest girl, color-treated fine 3B, med-low porosity

    Products: Suave Coconut condish, Giovanni Direct Leave-In, FSG or KCCC, AfroVeda Shea-Amla Cream
    I LOVE HENNA!
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    OperaCurls wrote: »
    goobernut wrote: »
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....

    I was wondering about that... I like the Aura Cherry Bark condish as a leave-in BECAUSE it gives me slip. The only leave-in I've ever used & liked that was "grabby" was Burt's Bees Very Volumizing Pomegranate & Soy conditioner last winter.
    Oh this is getting confusing.........unless stearamidopryl dimethylamine helps some of you with slip? But, again I'm not one that has to fight with tangles I'm just smoothing & scrunching my LI.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • curlyhairmichukcurlyhairmichuk Posts: 860Registered Users
    I'm not sure I understand what you guys mean by 'grab' do you mean a sort of firm feeling as opposed to really soft and slippy?:scratch:
    UK curly

    fine to medium strands, porous, medium density
    CG May 2009 - low poo occasionally
    Co-wash: Tresemme Naturals
    Styling -Naked Curl Defining Cream, BRHG, Mop Top, FSG
    Product for a good hair day: FSG or Mop Top
    Hair loves protein!
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    new pics added Jan 2012

    Enjoying the freedom of going curly!:wave:
    Duchess of Alba, Keeper of the Tartan Curls in The Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,677Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I'm not sure I understand what you guys mean by 'grab' do you mean a sort of firm feeling as opposed to really soft and slippy?:scratch:
    Thank you for asking that. I have no clue what this "grabby" term means either. :goofy:
    Location: Texas
    Type: 3b/3c (i), below shoulder length.
    CO wash: A-O GPB LYY, Desert Essence Coconut, Oribe Silverati
    Leave-ins: Curl Junkie Beauti-Curls, KCKT, cno overnight
    Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG, CJ Pattern Pusha
    DT: Curl Junkie Deep Fix, Briogeo Don't Despair Repair!
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't get it either, so maybe it is a porosity related issue. I love some of the conditioners you've mentioned and and some of the others were nothing special.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users
    Very interesting topic. I usually forget to use a leave-in and never really thought about "grabby" conditioners. I don't co-wash very often but found that "grabby" ones do give me better results. Now with gels I am the opposite; I like slip, I get much more curl and less frizz/ strings. I will be experimenting!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse
  • peaches1975peaches1975 Posts: 211Registered Users
    This might be a 2 vs 3 things, or a protein lover vs protein hater thing, or some other random unknown thing.

    I think it might be a 2 vs. 3 thing as well. I'm not porous, and the items I use that give me incredible slip also give me Jessica Rabbit type hair. Stuff that has more hold or grab or whatever, like the Lustrasilk, doesn't do that to me. Especially the olive oil version...I get hair that I cannot finger comb but I have waves that hold all day. Like Alex mentioned about her daughter, even though I am only a 2a I have hair that can turn into dreads. So finding that balance between slip AND hold has been quite a challenge!

    Good thread!
    2aFii, low porosity, :love4: protein!
    Color treated (blonde, but darned grays!)
    COwash: Suave, V05, Salon Care Honey Almond
    CO: GVPCB, LVNPG, GFTN, HSH Pumpkin, Aura Cherry Almond Bark
    DTs: Lustrasilk SM, GVPCB
    PTs: Aphogee 2-step, ION Effective Care inbetween
    LIs/Stylers: Any of my COs, FSG, EcoStyler Krystal, LOOC, shea butter to SOTC

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  • dominicanadominicana Posts: 239Registered Users
    curls2grow wrote: »
    I'm not sure I understand what you guys mean by 'grab' do you mean a sort of firm feeling as opposed to really soft and slippy?:scratch:
    Thank you for asking that. I have no clue what this "grabby" term means either. :goofy:

    I can give you an extreme version of this. I bought some body lotion that has wonderful ingredients. So one day I decided to experiment and use it as a leave-in. MAJOR grabby feeling. Absolutely no slip. It was hard to rake my hair because my fingers were getting stuck. No tangles just high friction. I may experiment mixing it with another condish.

    HTH
    D
    Lady Valeria of the Isle of Neraida in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Central Florida Curly
    CG since May 5, 2009
    Hair Type: 3cCiii coarse\porous
    Conditioners: Bioinfusion HCB, CJCR, SpiralSolutions DDMT, BellaCurl MC, BellaCurl LE, KCKT, YesToCucumbers
    Stylers: CJ CCCC, FSG, KCCC, SpiralSolutions CEJ
  • SpiralliSpiralli Posts: 3,677Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Thank you, that is helpful! :)
    Location: Texas
    Type: 3b/3c (i), below shoulder length.
    CO wash: A-O GPB LYY, Desert Essence Coconut, Oribe Silverati
    Leave-ins: Curl Junkie Beauti-Curls, KCKT, cno overnight
    Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG, CJ Pattern Pusha
    DT: Curl Junkie Deep Fix, Briogeo Don't Despair Repair!
  • eklecktikaeklecktika Posts: 230Registered Users
    goobernut wrote: »
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....
    I hate to be the wrench in the works but I have the same problem...and I have very low porosity. Or at least I assume I do. I get wet very quickly in the shower and scrunching out the water leaves my hair just all but dry. I floated a hair in a cup of water and it was still happily floating 24 hours later-and it wasn't sitting on surface tension.

    But I've found that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] is too 'soft' to help hold curls, and something like JCWDT works much better-though it's still not great. On off days, though, i can scrunch in a little JCWDT and have moderate/mediocre waves, vs doing the same with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and I go virtually straight.

    Great topic though! I'm very curious to know what Dominicana's hand lotion has in it now though!
    "It's a wonder God suffers so many fools, what with lightening so cheap"~Mark Twain
    Lady Eklecktika Fidens of Caduceus
  • zenallazenalla Posts: 159Registered Users
    Thanks, I also didn't know what 'grabby' stands for.
    I also think it's link to the porosity.

    I've porous hair and I love conditioner with a lot of slip, like [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink]. I directly fall in love with it because of the incredible slip it has.
    For me, slip is more important with LI then with rinse out co. So when a rinse out co is light enough and has a lot of slip, I use it as a leave-in. It's the case with Yes to Tomatoes and Cucumber conditioners.


    My hair tangle a lot and as soon as I apply LI that doesn't have enough slip, I feel like my hair want to tangle and it's more complicated to put my styler because I usually finger comb while applying it to distribute it better.
    3B-A, colored, med texture-density, High porosity

    DT: AOHRS - CJHBDF - Mixed Chicks
    Loo-Poo 2/week: Eluence volume,YTT-YTC poo, Co-wash 2/week: Suave Tropical - V05 Strawberries (water wash the rest)
    Conditioner: Mop Top, Toe Shea, AOHRS, AOGBP
    Leave-in:KCKT , Darcy Peach Kernel, Aloeba,YTT/YTC co,Christine Grant LI
    Stylers: KCCC, CJ CCC, DMMC, Mixed Chiks, BB Jellie Creme, HESMU, Mop Top gel, HPO curling pudding

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  • dominicanadominicana Posts: 239Registered Users
    eklecktika wrote: »
    Great topic though! I'm very curious to know what Dominicana's hand lotion has in it now though!

    Its nothing special, just the first body lotion I found without cones. Here you go. I love this on my body. Not on my hair though:laughing2:

    Shea Soft Mango Body Lotion.

    Water, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Cetearyl Alcohol and Polysorbate 60, Fragrance, Cetyl Alcohol, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil (Sunflower), Carbomer, Citric Acid, Disodium EDTA, Triethanolamine, DMDM Hydantoin, Methylparaben, Propylparaben

    Maybe its the carbomer? Is that something used for hold?
    Although now that I'm a little more ingredient savvy. Thats alot of parabens.

    D
    Lady Valeria of the Isle of Neraida in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

    Central Florida Curly
    CG since May 5, 2009
    Hair Type: 3cCiii coarse\porous
    Conditioners: Bioinfusion HCB, CJCR, SpiralSolutions DDMT, BellaCurl MC, BellaCurl LE, KCKT, YesToCucumbers
    Stylers: CJ CCCC, FSG, KCCC, SpiralSolutions CEJ
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I'm porous and tangle prone. I don't want grabby, lol. I get enough single strand knots in the winter (probably from my coat collar) I don't need anything else added to it.

    Del and I are both porous and she wants grab, so maybe it's a curl type thing? Or maybe one of us in an exception to th porosity rule. Or, it could just be random.

    I'm using Lustrasilk Shea Mango as my leave-in today, and it is slip and smoothness for me. Nothing grabby.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • wavycurly40+wavycurly40+ Posts: 2,017Registered Users
    Hmmm, interesting. I think I know what you mean by "grab," but I look for it more in gels than leave-ins. That's why I love Aubrey B5 Design Gel at the moment -- it grabs onto the curls while you scrunch it in, without causing your fingers to stick to the curls (causing frizz), as so many gels do.

    As for leave-ins, I know what you mean by too much slip. I almost feel like too much slip can decrease curl rather than encouraging it. But what I look for in a leave-in is not so much a "grabby" feeling -- more of a mushy, squishy sort of feeling, because it helps clumps to form. But maybe that is grabbing the hair -- just in a different way? Lately I'm really liking GDLI for this. My old favorite, BWC leave-in, is starting to seem a little too slippery these days, by comparison.

    Wurly and proud!
    Modified CG since 2008.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    eklecktika wrote: »
    goobernut wrote: »
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....
    I hate to be the wrench in the works but I have the same problem...and I have very low porosity. Or at least I assume I do. I get wet very quickly in the shower and scrunching out the water leaves my hair just all but dry. I floated a hair in a cup of water and it was still happily floating 24 hours later-and it wasn't sitting on surface tension.

    But I've found that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] is too 'soft' to help hold curls, and something like JCWDT works much better-though it's still not great. On off days, though, i can scrunch in a little JCWDT and have moderate/mediocre waves, vs doing the same with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and I go virtually straight.

    Great topic though! I'm very curious to know what Dominicana's hand lotion has in it now though!

    Hair that gets wet and dries easily is porous. Low porosity hair has trouble soaking things up and then giving them up. My hair is short and there isn't a lot of it--it can take me four or five hours to air dry.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    eklecktika wrote: »
    goobernut wrote: »
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....
    I hate to be the wrench in the works but I have the same problem...and I have very low porosity. Or at least I assume I do. I get wet very quickly in the shower and scrunching out the water leaves my hair just all but dry. I floated a hair in a cup of water and it was still happily floating 24 hours later-and it wasn't sitting on surface tension.

    But I've found that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] is too 'soft' to help hold curls, and something like JCWDT works much better-though it's still not great. On off days, though, i can scrunch in a little JCWDT and have moderate/mediocre waves, vs doing the same with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and I go virtually straight.

    Great topic though! I'm very curious to know what Dominicana's hand lotion has in it now though!

    Hair that gets wet and dries easily is porous. Low porosity hair has trouble soaking things up and then giving them up. My hair is short and there isn't a lot of it--it can take me four or five hours to air dry.

    I take about 4 hours, even with KCCC in, which slows down drying time, and I have longish hair. It just shows porosity differences!

    ETA: Although I have porous hair, I can "pass" the float test unless it is the first week post hair dye. My routine gives me enough help to pass as faux-normal in water, but its true state is porous.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • AlexjoujouAlexjoujou Posts: 2,364Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    eklecktika wrote: »
    goobernut wrote: »
    You know, we're also all porous too... hrm....
    I hate to be the wrench in the works but I have the same problem...and I have very low porosity. Or at least I assume I do. I get wet very quickly in the shower and scrunching out the water leaves my hair just all but dry. I floated a hair in a cup of water and it was still happily floating 24 hours later-and it wasn't sitting on surface tension.

    But I've found that [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] is too 'soft' to help hold curls, and something like JCWDT works much better-though it's still not great. On off days, though, i can scrunch in a little JCWDT and have moderate/mediocre waves, vs doing the same with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] and I go virtually straight.

    Great topic though! I'm very curious to know what Dominicana's hand lotion has in it now though!

    Hair that gets wet and dries easily is porous. Low porosity hair has trouble soaking things up and then giving them up. My hair is short and there isn't a lot of it--it can take me four or five hours to air dry.

    I agree...sounds like porous hair (mine is porous). My daughter is very low porosity--she can be under the shower head for a a couple of minutes and STILL walk out with pieces of dry hair. When we put product in her hair it never works just to put it on (like smooth it on) or it won't absorb and she'll be white haired for several hours before it soaks in. I usually kind of squeeze product into her hair and that works excellently.

    The thing about liking slip that RCC said and a few others is that their hair tangles more and so the slip prevents that. This is so true with my daughter's..but not my son's hair. I swear we can detangle in the shower with tons of conditioner and from the time she steps out and dries off to the time that she puts leave in on her hair its already tangled. A number of products don't work for her because of the slip factor--her condish and leave in must be as slippery as possible to prevent the tangles.

    It may entirely be the strength of the curl pattern. I mean my daughter and I are really both 2C/3A types but her curl pattern is much stronger AND she tangles very easily...mine is weaker, requires much encouragement and doesn't tangle at all pretty much ever. I comb/brush my hair maybe 2-3x per year tops. There's no need. It's always been like this.

    I have so enjoyed reading the responses on this...this is really interesting!

    Oh and I find grab sort of similar almost to glue in the hair--pulls hairs together and keeps them together vs. being slippery so that each strand is coated. Hope that helps. WC40 I agree--things that help clump are what I see as that kind of grabby feeling--because when things for me have too much slip it is as if each strand does its own thing..I end up with barely wavy hair that is stringy or at least not clumpy.

    The odd thing is that CJ Curl Rehab does not have a lot of slip for me..my daughter was the same way. Seems weird as so many say it has lots of slip.

    I normally find that condish with BTMS in the top 3-5 ingredients have more slip..but it's not always true.
    FIA 2c/3aFi

    Done experimenting! Loving Spiral Solutions products!

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  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.himalayausa.com%2FOrganique%2Fhaircare%2Famla-holy-basil-conditioner.htm" class="Popup

    Speaking of "grabby", I stumbled across a display of this at my local market. I didn't buy anything because I didn't have my glasses but I got a puny sample to try.Today, I used this VERY "grabby" conditioner as a rinse out and used a pea sized as a leave-in and guess what? I got some great curl formation AND volume in my thin, fine non-porous hair! This conditioner smells so good! I will be back to buy some plus the shampoo and will review in a few weeks.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte

    I've been trying to buy Himalaya products for a long time. My local Indian grocery store, that might have had it, closed a while ago.

    rcc, you have at least ten times as much hair as I have. I don't think we can compare drying times, LOL!
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »

    I've been trying to buy Himalaya products for a long time. My local Indian grocery store, that might have had it, closed a while ago.

    rcc, you have at least ten times as much hair as I have. I don't think we can compare drying times, LOL!

    LOL!

    It was for the above poster (eklecktika) about porosity. You and I have about the same drying time, even with our differences in hair length. It just shows that porous hair dries faster than non-porous. I should have twice the drying time that you do, but I don't because I am porous and you are not.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

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  • curlyhairmichukcurlyhairmichuk Posts: 860Registered Users
    Thanks dominicana! Getting the 'grabby' now! I prefer grabby - too much slip - (despite the fact it feels nice) - makes me feel like my curls will drop. (do you think it could be a texture thing? I'm fine haired)icon7.gif
    UK curly

    fine to medium strands, porous, medium density
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    Co-wash: Tresemme Naturals
    Styling -Naked Curl Defining Cream, BRHG, Mop Top, FSG
    Product for a good hair day: FSG or Mop Top
    Hair loves protein!
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  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    My hair is porous and very fine and I have to use a leave-in with slip. I also can't ever not use a leave-in. If I don't use one or use one without slip my hair snags and tangles when I try to put in my styling products and I can't get them distributed evenly. That will cause breakage when trying tp put in my product. My hair will also later dry frizzy.
    "...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face." ~Harry Dresden

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  • dominicanadominicana Posts: 239Registered Users
    ooh, I just remembered anothe condish I tried a long time ago. I didn't like it because of its grabbiness. Maybe we should add it to the list.
    Save your world oasis fruit conditioner

    ingredients:
    INFUSION OF CHAMOMILE FLOWERS, BEHENTRIMONIUM METHOSULFATE, CETYL ALCOHOL, AVOCADO OIL, MANGO BUTTER, ORGANIC ALOE VERA EXTRACT, ORGANIC YERBA MATÉ EXTRACT, VEGETABLE EMULSIFYING WAX, BUTYLENE GLYCOL, DELTA GLUCONOLACTONE , CALCIUM GLUCOMATE, SORBIC ACID, A BLEND OF PURE NATURAL ESSENTIAL OILS

    sorry about the caps, thats how I found it online.
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    Central Florida Curly
    CG since May 5, 2009
    Hair Type: 3cCiii coarse\porous
    Conditioners: Bioinfusion HCB, CJCR, SpiralSolutions DDMT, BellaCurl MC, BellaCurl LE, KCKT, YesToCucumbers
    Stylers: CJ CCCC, FSG, KCCC, SpiralSolutions CEJ
  • Heather0kayHeather0kay Posts: 667Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »

    I've been trying to buy Himalaya products for a long time. My local Indian grocery store, that might have had it, closed a while ago.

    rcc, you have at least ten times as much hair as I have. I don't think we can compare drying times, LOL!


    This is a line that Whole Foods should or needs to carry; it has NONE of those nasty chemicals. If you have a Whole Foods I'd request this line.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse
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