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Is There A Such Thing As 4C or 4D Hair ???

NubianNAPPYNubianNAPPY Posts: 1Registered Users
My hair is 3rd Cousin to Kunta-KINTE !!!

LOL

I received an invite from (((Ms. Nyla Coils )))..., sooo happy to be here, but I'm looking for a least one or two of my relatives. I need some SERIOUS help. LOL

Shirley
NubianNAPPY
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  • jamaicantwisterjamaicantwister Posts: 39Registered Users
    I know the feeling. My hair hates everything and you know its bad when born and bred West Africans tell you how nappy your hair is.

    What I have found so far is protein is pretty much not my friend I would hate to say enemy but... My hair loves Jamaican Black Castor Oil to seal and mixed with other oils for a hot oil rinse. I recently bought Taliah Waajid Protective Mist Bodifier to spray twists and soften and I really like it. Cones and me do not mix not even a little. I use black soap to wash my hair.

    In order to get anything to work I have to mix like a fiend. I.e. for my rinse out onditioner was I may mix Bedhead Moisture Maniac with Jane Carter Solutions deep conditioner. Same thing for deep conditioners I also usually add oil. To get my hair touchable during styling I will do a leave in conditioner, layer with another moisturizer (I use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Jessicurl-Weekly-Deep-Conditioning-Treatment-p-106.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=jessicurl-weekly-deep-conditioner-treatment]Jessicurl WDT[/buylink] for this until I am done with it then more investigating), I will twist/style with a creamy styler such as Jane Carter twist and lock or [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/CURLS-Whipped-Cream-p-883.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=Curls-Whipped-Cream]Curls Whipped Cream[/buylink], then I would seal the ends with JBCO or Qhemet's Heavy Cream. I always deep condition and/or hot oil rinse sometimes both.

    Hope this helps.
  • EkaetteEkaette Posts: 356Registered Users
    My hair is 3rd Cousin to Kunta-KINTE !!!

    LOL

    I received an invite from (((Ms. curlynikki)))..., sooo happy to be here, but I'm looking for a least one or two of my relatives. I need some SERIOUS help. LOL

    Shirley
    NubianNAPPY

    Welcome to the forum! There is a lot of debate over whether 4c hair exists. I see the argument for both sides. However I think whatever the hair type you are there is a lot of good advice here. Just peruse the threads, go to people's fotkis when they post them, and look at the people commenting in their albums/guestbooks. That's how I managed to find people with hair similar to mine. I'm a fellow West African and my fotki is open if you want to browse. You can also look through my fotki friends to see if anybody is 4b/4c. HHG!
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  • ahtnamasahtnamas Posts: 116Registered Users
    Ekaette,

    Sorry if this question seems silly but, how do we access your fotki page? And since I'm asking questions, since I've been on naturally curly I've wondered what does it mean when people write "bump". Thanks : )
  • sweetypiesweetypie Posts: 86Registered Users
    ahtnamas wrote: »
    Ekaette,

    Sorry if this question seems silly but, how do we access your fotki page? And since I'm asking questions, since I've been on naturally curly I've wondered what does it mean when people write "bump". Thanks : )

    see #68 on page 4 of this thread http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=58468&page=4

    4b
    BC May 2009
    less product is enough
  • EkaetteEkaette Posts: 356Registered Users
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  • ahtnamasahtnamas Posts: 116Registered Users
    Thanks Ekaette :profileleft:, thanks Sweetypie :profileleft:.
  • SugarNutsSugarNuts Posts: 250Registered Users
    Good Luck!
    :wav:
    Hair Type: 4a/4b Combo
    Last Relaxer: May/June 2008
    Big Chop: N/A
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.fotki.com%2FSugarNuts" class="Popup (1/31)
    Detangle/Co-Wash: VO5 Freesia or Green Tea
    Shampoo: White Vinegar

    Deep Con. Treat.: Aussie 3-min. & Olive Oil
    Final Wash: Nexxus Humectress
    Moist. Spritz: Glycerin, Water, Proclaim 7-Olive Oil, Suave Extreme Leave-In

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  • SosesmSosesm Posts: 45Registered Users
    I'd always thought I was 4b but having looked at mnay albums and some youtube videos, people who I would consider 4a are calling themselves 4b, and I'm NO where near their texture. So with that I bumped myself now to having more 4c and some 4b texture.
    I figure I can't go wrong with identifying with 4b/4c, because (in the past) I made the mistake of following hair regimens posted by people who said they were 4b, but I would consider 4a by looking at their hair...it always failed me.

    My sister yesterday discovered a whole new class..she's calling herself a 5. lol
  • Kinky RhonnieKinky Rhonnie Posts: 1,166Registered Users
    4c is considered the cnapp as termed by cnappyme for the cloud or cotton texture with no defined curl pattern. cnappyme has developed her own site devoted to the cnapp. I first met her on nappturality. I'm a mix of 4a/b/c with VERY LITTLE 3c.

    The board first started out on wordpress at /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com" class="Popup but moved to /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.excoboard.com%2Fexco%2Findex.php" class="Popup.
  • Nappy*MeNappy*Me Posts: 21Registered Users
    4c is considered the cnapp as termed by cnappyme for the cloud or cotton texture with no defined curl pattern. cnappyme has developed her own site devoted to the cnapp. I first met her on nappturality. I'm a mix of 4a/b/c with VERY LITTLE 3c.

    The board first started out on wordpress at /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com" class="Popup but moved to /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.excoboard.com%2Fexco%2Findex.php" class="Popup.

    Hi Kinky Rhonnie...thanks for the shout out. Hmmm... I'm not sure I've ever posted on this board before, but I'm going to do so now to clear up misinformation about what we're calling cNapp hair and how that all got started.

    Several years ago now, someone on Nappturality started a thread asking people to post pics of their naturally coily/curly, freshly washed product-free hair. Here's an example /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nappturality.com%2Fforum%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D2098077%26amp%3Bpostcount%3D475" class="Popup

    That thread went so well that AuNappturale started a thread asking people to post pics of their non coily, non clumping, non curly hair. That thread exploded and people with hair like AuNapp such as myself posted up a storm.

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    My hair freshly washed with no product and no manipulation.

    People like us have no curl or wave, or coil definition whatsoever. It's just one massive puffy, poof of hair that looks like a soft Cloud or Cotton.

    Rather than have to explain this all the time, we decided we wanted a nickname. Taneska came up with the term cNapp (as in cottony or cloud-like naps). It stuck and that's how the term cNapp was born. So it always boggles my mind when people ask "Does cNapp hair exist?" That's a ridiculous to me because all we did was take people with hair that have a certain characteristic and give it a nickname. So of course it EXISTS!

    Most of us identify our hair as 4B. The term cNapp is just a short cut nickname that lumps all the characteristics together. If you say you're a cNapp we automatically know that means you have no curl/wave/coil definition.

    It doesn't mean your individual strands don't coil or curl...it just means they don't get together to show themselves off. Our hair is more about randomness of how it coils, loops and bends. My individual strands do all of this and sometimes you can find all characteristics on ONE strand!

    From our perspective, the only defining characterics of cNapp hair is the that it is patternless and has no overall definition. It has nothing to do with coil or curl size. It can have any size coils...if you have any at all. It can be thin, medium or coarse (strand size). You can have dense or thin hair (number of hairs on your head). You can have a lot of shrinkage or no shrinkage. If you have any or all of this...then you are a cNapp.

    NOT ABSOLUTE
    Some people have a combination of this and 4A hair as well and still identify with cNapp hair because it's the predominant texture. OR they have hair that may define itself a little but not enough for them to manage it as 4A hair with curl definition.

    The connection to my blog Nappturology 101 (nappyme.wordpress.com)
    Nappturology 101 is my blog. Once people started identifying themselves as cNapp, I decided to host a page on my blog where people could list their albums and we could have ONE place where people could go and get links to those albums. That's this link: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com%2Fcnapy-albums%2F" class="Popup and to this day it gets over 300 hits per day. It's a very popular resource for people with cNapp hair. Think I need to update some of those links though...

    Unfortunately, calling ourselves cNapps on NP created a ridiculous controversy and for brief moment the owner of NP banned cNapp conversations saying it was too devisive. But once she understood that it was JUST a nickname to short cut having to spell out all the characteristics of our hair she allowed cNapp conversations on her board.

    But that controversy for a loooong time was just below the surface and that was enough for me to start my own board so that folks with hair like us could have our own little corner of the internet where we could discuss our hair without pissing other people off.

    Turns out us starting our own board (cNappymeNow.com) pissed people off ANYWAY...so oh well.

    As far as what this 4C hair is... I haven't a clue. It is NOT cNapp hair because like I said MOST of us identify with 4B.

    Now folks can debate cNapp hair all they want, but at the end of the day, it's what WE say it is and that's all that matters. Either you identify with it or you don't. If you have it, you usually know it.

    Anyhoo... I've written a book but I've just seen one too many mentions of cNapp hair where the facts aren't correct.

    Hope this sets the record straight.

    Take care,
    ~Nappyme
  • SosesmSosesm Posts: 45Registered Users
    oh snap, I think i'm a cnapp then cause my has that cottony look when naked
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
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  • knt1229knt1229 Posts: 93Registered Users
    I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?
    I always thought 4c was made up. Most folk who say they have 4c ususally say it because they see someone who claims 4b but the hair has curls like a 4a. So then the 4b person feels that they can't be a 4b if this defined coily person is claiming 4b so they call themselves 4c or 4z to mean that they do not have any curl definition at all.

    In reality, some people claim 4b when really they are 4a. Some folk are 4a/4b but claim 4b but they still have a wave/coil pattern. And some 4b's have fine hair which looks different than a coarse haired 4b. And thick 4b looks different than thin 4b. Just as with any other hair texture different folk's hair will look different depending on manipulation, health, products used, thickness and coarseness of the hair.
  • dee-naturedee-nature Posts: 630Registered Users
    great info sis,
    i am 4a but will check out yalls site, i dont think theres anything wrong with tht; alot of time u can relate 2 sistas with hair textures similar 2 ur own 4 benefitial purposes. sistas lets no create division amongst ourselves over this, being natural is one unit, no matter the hair type.
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    hair goal
    = WL Aug. 23, 2013

    My hair LOVES oil
    :love5:
    2. "Being natural must be the new crack cus im hooked!!":afro:

    “Being happy doesn't mean that everything is
    perfect. It means that you've decided to look beyond the imperfections.”:wav:

    www.fotki.com/dee-nature-619

  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    @ KNT: I've felt a similar way. That's why I posed that question...

    @Dee-nature: I think people here are just trying to discuss and learn- not create more division in hair types!
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  • Kinky RhonnieKinky Rhonnie Posts: 1,166Registered Users
    I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?

    I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.
  • Nappy*MeNappy*Me Posts: 21Registered Users
    I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?

    I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.
    Hummm... Did you take a look at the link I posted that shows off Whitley Gilbert's hair. If you didn't, here it is /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nappturality.com%2Fforum%2Fsh...%26amp%3Bpostcount%3D475" class="Popup
    It freshly washed and product free...just like my hair is in the example I posted.

    But there is a visually distinctive difference between the way her hair clumps into coils and hangs and the way mine just draws up into a puffy looking massive cloud.

    That's pretty much the distinction that we make between cNapps and non cNapps. In that pic of Whitley, she is easily some version of a 4A.

    Now I've seen some cNapps who have hair that naturally clumps (see middle pic for example /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com%2Fcnapy-albums%2F" class="Popup ) but there aren't really any spirals or coils or curls it just draws up and sticks straight up. Perhaps the young lady in this pic does have hair that has that infamous z pattern...dunno.

    But again...the point is that cNapp hair does not CLUMP to show off any type of curl/coil/wave pattern. As I look at the young lady's cNapp hair in the above link... I can't tell what's going on with her individual strands. But when I look at Whitely's hair, she quite clearly and most definitely has coils. So that's the difference, in my mind, between 4a and 4b/cnapp hair.
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    Nappy*Me wrote: »
    I'm sorry if this is a "dumb" question but how does 4B differ from 4C? I was under the impression that 4B didn't form a visible and/or clumping hair pattern all together?

    I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.
    Hummm... Did you take a look at the link I posted that shows off Whitley Gilbert's hair. If you didn't, here it is /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nappturality.com%2Fforum%2Fsh...%26amp%3Bpostcount%3D475" class="Popup
    It freshly washed and product free...just like my hair is in the example I posted.

    But there is a visually distinctive difference between the way her hair clumps into coils and hangs and the way mine just draws up into a puffy looking massive cloud.

    That's pretty much the distinction that we make between cNapps and non cNapps. In that pic of Whitley, she is easily some version of a 4A.

    Now I've seen some cNapps who have hair that naturally clumps (see middle pic for example /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com%2Fcnapy-albums%2F" class="Popup ) but there aren't really any spirals or coils or curls it just draws up and sticks straight up. Perhaps the young lady in this pic does have hair that has that infamous z pattern...dunno.

    But again...the point is that cNapp hair does not CLUMP to show off any type of curl/coil/wave pattern. As I look at the young lady's cNapp hair in the above link... I can't tell what's going on with her individual strands. But when I look at Whitely's hair, she quite clearly and most definitely has coils. So that's the difference, in my mind, between 4a and 4b/cnapp hair.

    I can't see that link b/c I'm not a member of Nappturality. But I do know what Jasmine Guy's hair looks like. Is that who you're talking about? I understand the difference between 4a and 4b. I was confused about what 4c was? Unless you are saying 4b/cnapp is the same as 4c? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post.

    @KinkyRhonnie: Yes, that sounds right. I think I meant "clumping" in a different sense.
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  • Kinky RhonnieKinky Rhonnie Posts: 1,166Registered Users
    MixedUpCurlyChick, you can join nappturality for free but there will be a couple of forums that you will not be able to access if you are interested. Whitley Gilbert is the screen name of one of the members. I can't see the image here at work though.
  • Nappy*MeNappy*Me Posts: 21Registered Users
    Nappy*Me wrote: »

    I thought 4b still clumped but had the z formation.
    Hummm... Did you take a look at the link I posted that shows off Whitley Gilbert's hair. If you didn't, here it is /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nappturality.com%2Fforum%2Fsh...%26amp%3Bpostcount%3D475" class="Popup
    It freshly washed and product free...just like my hair is in the example I posted.

    But there is a visually distinctive difference between the way her hair clumps into coils and hangs and the way mine just draws up into a puffy looking massive cloud.

    That's pretty much the distinction that we make between cNapps and non cNapps. In that pic of Whitley, she is easily some version of a 4A.

    Now I've seen some cNapps who have hair that naturally clumps (see middle pic for example /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com%2Fcnapy-albums%2F" class="Popup ) but there aren't really any spirals or coils or curls it just draws up and sticks straight up. Perhaps the young lady in this pic does have hair that has that infamous z pattern...dunno.

    But again...the point is that cNapp hair does not CLUMP to show off any type of curl/coil/wave pattern. As I look at the young lady's cNapp hair in the above link... I can't tell what's going on with her individual strands. But when I look at Whitely's hair, she quite clearly and most definitely has coils. So that's the difference, in my mind, between 4a and 4b/cnapp hair.

    I can't see that link b/c I'm not a member of Nappturality. But I do know what Jasmine Guy's hair looks like. Is that who you're talking about? I understand the difference between 4a and 4b. I was confused about what 4c was? Unless you are saying 4b/cnapp is the same as 4c? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post.

    @KinkyRhonnie: Yes, that sounds right. I think I meant "clumping" in a different sense.
    4b and cNapp texture is one in the same. I have no idea what 4c is.
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    Nappy*Me wrote: »
    Nappy*Me wrote: »
    Hummm... Did you take a look at the link I posted that shows off Whitley Gilbert's hair. If you didn't, here it is /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nappturality.com%2Fforum%2Fsh...%26amp%3Bpostcount%3D475" class="Popup
    It freshly washed and product free...just like my hair is in the example I posted.

    But there is a visually distinctive difference between the way her hair clumps into coils and hangs and the way mine just draws up into a puffy looking massive cloud.

    That's pretty much the distinction that we make between cNapps and non cNapps. In that pic of Whitley, she is easily some version of a 4A.

    Now I've seen some cNapps who have hair that naturally clumps (see middle pic for example /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fnappyme.wordpress.com%2Fcnapy-albums%2F" class="Popup ) but there aren't really any spirals or coils or curls it just draws up and sticks straight up. Perhaps the young lady in this pic does have hair that has that infamous z pattern...dunno.

    But again...the point is that cNapp hair does not CLUMP to show off any type of curl/coil/wave pattern. As I look at the young lady's cNapp hair in the above link... I can't tell what's going on with her individual strands. But when I look at Whitely's hair, she quite clearly and most definitely has coils. So that's the difference, in my mind, between 4a and 4b/cnapp hair.

    I can't see that link b/c I'm not a member of Nappturality. But I do know what Jasmine Guy's hair looks like. Is that who you're talking about? I understand the difference between 4a and 4b. I was confused about what 4c was? Unless you are saying 4b/cnapp is the same as 4c? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post.

    @KinkyRhonnie: Yes, that sounds right. I think I meant "clumping" in a different sense.
    4b and cNapp texture is one in the same. I have no idea what 4c is.

    Oh...well that was what this thread was about! I thought you were explaining 4c. Sorry for the confusion lol.
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  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    MixedUpCurlyChick, you can join nappturality for free but there will be a couple of forums that you will not be able to access if you are interested. Whitley Gilbert is the screen name of one of the members. I can't see the image here at work though.

    lol that totally went over my head. I'm like "why are we referring to her character name?!" Thanks for the clarification.
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  • Nappy*MeNappy*Me Posts: 21Registered Users
    Nappy*Me wrote: »

    I can't see that link b/c I'm not a member of Nappturality. But I do know what Jasmine Guy's hair looks like. Is that who you're talking about? I understand the difference between 4a and 4b. I was confused about what 4c was? Unless you are saying 4b/cnapp is the same as 4c? Sorry if I wasn't clear in my previous post.

    @KinkyRhonnie: Yes, that sounds right. I think I meant "clumping" in a different sense.
    4b and cNapp texture is one in the same. I have no idea what 4c is.

    Oh...well that was what this thread was about! I thought you were explaining 4c. Sorry for the confusion lol.
    I realize that. However, the very first line in KinkyRhonnie's post states that 4c is cNapp hair and that is incorrect. That's why I posted...to explain that cNapp and 4B hair are one in the same. the "c" in "cNapp" has nothing to do with 4c hair.

    With regard to 4c --- guess some folks feel the need to define their hair as kinkier than 4B but the well known hair types 1 thru 4b were designated by Andre (whatever his last name is) Oprah's hairdresser. And those are the designators that many of us online go by. Now suddenly this 4C designation has cropped up independant of the original Andre scale, and I've seen NO consistent definition of what this is by anyone. So as far as I'm concerned 4C will remain OFF my radar — it doesn't exist. I mean come on...do we really need ANOTHER hair type?

    Eh...but what do I know? This is where I typically bow out of hair typing conversations cause you can't please everyone since hardly anyone's hair fits into a nice neat package.

    Personally, I'm happy just being a 4b/cNapp; it works for me.
  • Kinky RhonnieKinky Rhonnie Posts: 1,166Registered Users
    Two years and 2 years 5 months and some weeks since my last relaxer and I still learning too. lol

    Thanks for helping us out Nappy*Me. You are so knowlegeable and I have the utmost respect for you. I really appreciate you coming in here.

    These discussions are the very reason many people REFUSE to discuss in hair types.
  • Nappy*MeNappy*Me Posts: 21Registered Users
    ^^^Thank you! And...you're welcome. Hey, have I ever told you how much I love your hair. It's gorgeous!
  • kikisfkikisf Posts: 48Registered Users
    Whoops I thought 4c was the same as cnapp. So I guess I should change my signature. Honestly, when I see some of the photos of what some posters think is 4b hair, it looks like my hair after a texturizer.

    Even when I go to an African salon once my already thick hair is wet and starts getting really tangled and nappy they say, "I'll give you the price I quoted this time but next time..."
    4a/b/c
    Poo- Deva, Wen, Shea Moisture
    Co- Aubrey Organic, GPD DevaOne.
    Detangler- Aussie moist, Dove
    LI- SM Curling Milk, infusium
    KCCC KT on certain days
    Oil- Coconut, jojoba,
    Goal: Peace, healthy hair and to not spend alot of time and money on my hair.
  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    Nappy*Me wrote: »
    Nappy*Me wrote: »
    4b and cNapp texture is one in the same. I have no idea what 4c is.

    Oh...well that was what this thread was about! I thought you were explaining 4c. Sorry for the confusion lol.
    I realize that. However, the very first line in KinkyRhonnie's post states that 4c is cNapp hair and that is incorrect. That's why I posted...to explain that cNapp and 4B hair are one in the same. the "c" in "cNapp" has nothing to do with 4c hair.

    With regard to 4c --- guess some folks feel the need to define their hair as kinkier than 4B but the well known hair types 1 thru 4b were designated by Andre (whatever his last name is) Oprah's hairdresser. And those are the designators that many of us online go by. Now suddenly this 4C designation has cropped up independant of the original Andre scale, and I've seen NO consistent definition of what this is by anyone. So as far as I'm concerned 4C will remain OFF my radar — it doesn't exist. I mean come on...do we really need ANOTHER hair type?

    Eh...but what do I know? This is where I typically bow out of hair typing conversations cause you can't please everyone since hardly anyone's hair fits into a nice neat package.

    Personally, I'm happy just being a 4b/cNapp; it works for me.

    lol I hear you. I personally don't feel like we need any more categories. I tend to think people identifying as 4C may just have 4B (as far as the original definition) hair that looks/behaves a different way from other 4Bs they have seen. It can get confusing between (texture) manipulation, having more or less shine or sheen, porosity, texture etc. But I was curious to hear more about this 4C I see floating around the boards. I don't think we need another category but I'd be interested to hear a self identified 4C's explanataion of what it is. Good topic!
    kikisf wrote: »
    Whoops I thought 4c was the same as cnapp. So I guess I should change my signature. Honestly, when I see some of the photos of what some posters think is 4b hair, it looks like my hair after a texturizer.

    Even when I go to an African salon once my already thick hair is wet and starts getting really tangled and nappy they say, "I'll give you the price I quoted this time but next time..."

    Keep in mind that people do all kinds of things to their hair and some of the 4Bs you see may be manipulating their texture to make it hang more or have more/less curl. There are so many things that affect the look of the hair. Also, IMO most hairdressers really don't know how to do 3c hair. Even less know how to do type 4 of any kind. So when they act like they should be overcharging you, I think that reflects more on their lack of training/skill than the alleged manageability of your hair. Just my 2 cents!
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  • Kinky RhonnieKinky Rhonnie Posts: 1,166Registered Users
    Nappy*Me wrote: »
    ^^^Thank you! And...you're welcome. Hey, have I ever told you how much I love your hair. It's gorgeous!

    Thank you so much. I keep saying I've got to update that ancient picture from last year's World Natural Hair Health and Beauty Show in April. But, I just love that fro and that t-shirt. lol
    Keep in mind that people do all kinds of things to their hair and some of the 4Bs you see may be manipulating their texture to make it hang more or have more/less curl. There are so many things that affect the look of the hair. Also, IMO most hairdressers really don't know how to do 3c hair. Even less know how to do type 4 of any kind. So when they act like they should be overcharging you, I think that reflects more on their lack of training/skill than the alleged manageability of your hair. Just my 2 cents!

    Amen to all of the above. I keep wanting to experiment with a wash and go style (of couse with gobs of conditioner or gel) but I'm afraid of the outcome so I continue to set with braids and twists for loose styles.

    I continue to think back to if only I had knew...
  • SugarNutsSugarNuts Posts: 250Registered Users
    LOL, this is really confusing. My head is hurting.
    Hair Type: 4a/4b Combo
    Last Relaxer: May/June 2008
    Big Chop: N/A
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    Detangle/Co-Wash: VO5 Freesia or Green Tea
    Shampoo: White Vinegar

    Deep Con. Treat.: Aussie 3-min. & Olive Oil
    Final Wash: Nexxus Humectress
    Moist. Spritz: Glycerin, Water, Proclaim 7-Olive Oil, Suave Extreme Leave-In

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  • MixedUpCurlyChickMixedUpCurlyChick Posts: 2,568Registered Users
    Thank you so much. I keep saying I've got to update that ancient picture from last year's World Natural Hair Health and Beauty Show in April. But, I just love that fro and that t-shirt. lol
    Keep in mind that people do all kinds of things to their hair and some of the 4Bs you see may be manipulating their texture to make it hang more or have more/less curl. There are so many things that affect the look of the hair. Also, IMO most hairdressers really don't know how to do 3c hair. Even less know how to do type 4 of any kind. So when they act like they should be overcharging you, I think that reflects more on their lack of training/skill than the alleged manageability of your hair. Just my 2 cents!

    Amen to all of the above. I keep wanting to experiment with a wash and go style (of couse with gobs of conditioner or gel) but I'm afraid of the outcome so I continue to set with braids and twists for loose styles.

    I continue to think back to if only I had knew...

    Girl, you should for it! Do it on a day when you don't have anything important to do. Its always fun to experiment. You can always start over or change your mind.
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