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Just for Me Texture Softener??

VanillaholicVanillaholic Posts: 49Registered Users
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Its marketed for multicultural little curlies. Is is bad for the little ones hair? Is it a chemical treatment , its calcium hydroxide based?
Wiry?, baby fine strands densely packed with different textures and curl diameters seemingly on each individual strand.
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    From the Product Instructions:

    This product is not a toy. This product contains calcium hydroxide
    and guanidine carbonate (toxic). Keep out of the reach of children.
    Keep this product and all others away from eyes and mouth. Product
    may be harmful, if it accidentally gets in eyes or mouth. If product
    gets in eyes, rinse eyes thoroughly with water. Consult physician if
    irritation persists. If product is swallowed, consult a physician.
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  • VanillaholicVanillaholic Posts: 49Registered Users
    What type of poduct is this? I'm confused. It says its not a relaxer or texturizer. Is it just a softener then? Its brand new at the CVS drugstore around here.
    Wiry?, baby fine strands densely packed with different textures and curl diameters seemingly on each individual strand.
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    calcium hydroxide is a relaxing chemical.
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  • spiral-ncspiral-nc Posts: 716Registered Users
    Please don't use this on your little one!!! It's a relaxer - no matter what the label says. It contains calcium hydroxide, it's like sodium hydroxide - same purpose - to chemically relax or straighten the hair. It could burn her scalp or hurt her eyes, not to mention damage her hair.
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  • VanillaholicVanillaholic Posts: 49Registered Users
    Oh no, the marketing had me fooled. Good thing I checked here first.
    Wiry?, baby fine strands densely packed with different textures and curl diameters seemingly on each individual strand.
  • kamriskamris Posts: 17Registered Users
    HAHAHAHA I just watched that video for the "instructions" and this product is so BLATANTLY marketed towards white moms with biracial kids or white moms with adopted ethnic kids that doesnt have A CLUE how to do hair. they made it look like giving a perm was a science fair project!
    3c in front/rest is 4a, i would probably say i am a pretty even mix, with some confused patches in the crown region
  • spiral-ncspiral-nc Posts: 716Registered Users
    kamris wrote:
    HAHAHAHA I just watched that video for the "instructions" and this product is so BLATANTLY marketed towards white moms with biracial kids or white moms with adopted ethnic kids that doesnt have A CLUE how to do hair. they made it look like giving a perm was a science fair project!

    :lol: You are sooo right! I watched the video - it brought back such bad memories of having that done to my hair when I was little. That poor little girl - her hair didn't even look difficult to manage at all.

    Mommies - please don't buy this stuff!
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  • MissCurlyMissCurly Posts: 133Registered Users
    Wow Thank God for this board because I was going to try this stuff on my hair. I read on their blog site that some adults used it to soften the hair.

    Thanks guys I will not be using this I do not want any chemicals on my hair
    3c/4a Relaxer free since 04!
  • partygirltishpartygirltish Posts: 6Registered Users
    I saw an ad in a magazine yesterday and thought this would be a good solution. But I don't want to try it now.I just need something to make this less painful for her (and me!)
  • morena4cheermorena4cheer Banned Posts: 23Banned Users
    :evil1:ITS HORRIBLE!!! MY MOM USED IT ON MY LITTLE BROTHER AND SHE FOLLOWED THE DIRECTIONS EXACTLY IT COMPLETELY STRAIGHTENED HIS HAIR!!!!!!! AWFUL PRODUCT!!!
    I love my frizzy, short, super curly hair!!!

    AND my new curlie baby sister!!:toothy7:

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  • auntcurlyauntcurly Posts: 234Registered Users
    I began using this product on my twin nieces' hair this year. The reason? Because their mother is absolutely clueless about their 4a hair. She had already given them a kiddie relaxer at 4 years old. (They're 9 now) Of course their hair got damaged and luckily for them I was able to salvage their hair with expensive conditioners and regular trims. It took about 3 years for the relaxer to get out of their hair.

    But this year, they're hair had grown very long, and they themselves were encouraging their mother to get their hair relaxed because ALL of the kids in their classes have relaxed hair. Their mother was convinced that the only reason their hair got damaged before was because they were too young.

    When I saw this product advertised, I knew it would be a very mild relaxer. It was a case of the lesser of 2 evils. Those No-Lye Kiddie Relaxers are the worst.

    So I used the product first on my sister/their grandmother, whose hair is curly like theirs and thinning due to age. My sister's hair actually came out great. She still had curl, but her hair was not hard and felt very conditioned. She actually liked the results. She was able to maintain texture, and get a straight style if she wanted. I noticed that the damage in terms of hair breakage was neglible to be honest, none at all. She suffered no hair breakage and being that her hair is thin now, that was a blessing.

    Just For Me is a mild relaxer which leaves the hair with a texture different from kiddie relaxers. Yes, if you leave the product on too long you could ostensibly 'relax' your hair and release most of your curl. But you can, if applied correctly, not destroy your curl pattern.

    But of course, that's the problem with texturizers, the application. It's a hit or miss situation.

    The end result on my nieces' hair has been great. They can wear their hair curly, or straight. Hair breakage, again no different than without the product. And when new hair grows in, there is not such a drastic difference in texture that they have to get a touch-up right away. Depending on what level loose curl pattern you're going for, you could probably apply this twice a year certainly no more than 3 times, some even once-a-year.

    This summer for example, I did not re-apply the product and their hair pretty much looked like their regular hair, only easier for them to manage. They were able to go swimming everyday, condition wash and air dry into a curly look, wear loose braids, twists or wear a pony tail with texture. And considering how damaging chlorine is, I have to say I was impressed. Of course they use good products, like Shea Moisture leave-in and monthly Olive Oil packs as a DT.

    But of course, the key is always hair maintenance with good conditioning and trims.

    If I were their mother, of course, I would not use this product. But since I'm not, I think this product is far superior to the no-lye kiddie relaxers and I would recommend this to parents who insist on chemical processing, instead.

    It's a sad reality that AAs are reluctant to leave their kids' hair alone. But it's a fact that I've come to accept. This weekend at a community fair, I saw nothing but little AA girls with relaxed hair and many of them were under 6 years old. Their hair looks dry, damaged and dull. My nieces' hair in contrast still looks like healthy hair that maintains the integrity of AA hair texture. I'm sure some people would say their hair looks nappy. Yes, that's crazy.

    I have a neighbor who is a barber and raising a 4 year old daughter. He is a great guy who understands AA hair. Recently, I noticed that his daughter had her hair in a blown out style. He assured me that he had only let a co-worker blow her hair out, but confessed that his daughter was already beginning to pressure him about getting her hair relaxed. (Peer pressure).

    I told him about this product and frankly, since it's impossible to convince these young mother's otherwise, I recommend the texture softener over the relaxer any day. The images these kids see influence them. Right now, I'm watching the woman's USA basketball team at the Olympics and not one of the AA players is wearing their natural hair. They either have relaxed ponytails or braids/extensions.

    I tell any AA mother I talk to about this site. I recommend learning how to manage your own hair texture. But the bottom line is if these women are resistant to learning, there's nothing anyone can do. In that case, I think this product, compared to no-lye, is a terrific product.

    I recommend finding out about texturizing techniques before using it. Knowing how much curl pattern you want to release, and drawing a 'hair map' of your hair so that you know how to apply the product. For example, the bottom back of one of my nieces hair has very soft silky tightly coiled hair, so I apply only a small amount to that area last and smooth it lightly. The result is that she still has that curly pattern only slightly looser.

    I took the time to post this to give a wider perspective. Again, leaving the hair natural and learning a curly girl hair regimen is the best. But, for those who simply don't want to do that, the texture softener is a better option than no-lye kiddie relaxers.

    Sorry for the long post.
  • subbrocksubbrock Posts: 8,212Registered Users
    auntcurly wrote: »
    I began using this product on my twin nieces' hair this year. The reason? Because their mother is absolutely clueless about their 4a hair. She had already given them a kiddie relaxer at 4 years old. (They're 9 now) Of course their hair got damaged and luckily for them I was able to salvage their hair with expensive conditioners and regular trims. It took about 3 years for the relaxer to get out of their hair.

    But this year, they're hair had grown very long, and they themselves were encouraging their mother to get their hair relaxed because ALL of the kids in their classes have relaxed hair. Their mother was convinced that the only reason their hair got damaged before was because they were too young.

    When I saw this product advertised, I knew it would be a very mild relaxer. It was a case of the lesser of 2 evils. Those No-Lye Kiddie Relaxers are the worst.

    So I used the product first on my sister/their grandmother, whose hair is curly like theirs and thinning due to age. My sister's hair actually came out great. She still had curl, but her hair was not hard and felt very conditioned. She actually liked the results. She was able to maintain texture, and get a straight style if she wanted. I noticed that the damage in terms of hair breakage was neglible to be honest, none at all. She suffered no hair breakage and being that her hair is thin now, that was a blessing.

    Just For Me is a mild relaxer which leaves the hair with a texture different from kiddie relaxers. Yes, if you leave the product on too long you could ostensibly 'relax' your hair and release most of your curl. But you can, if applied correctly, not destroy your curl pattern.

    But of course, that's the problem with texturizers, the application. It's a hit or miss situation.

    The end result on my nieces' hair has been great. They can wear their hair curly, or straight. Hair breakage, again no different than without the product. And when new hair grows in, there is not such a drastic difference in texture that they have to get a touch-up right away. Depending on what level loose curl pattern you're going for, you could probably apply this twice a year certainly no more than 3 times, some even once-a-year.

    This summer for example, I did not re-apply the product and their hair pretty much looked like their regular hair, only easier for them to manage. They were able to go swimming everyday, condition wash and air dry into a curly look, wear loose braids, twists or wear a pony tail with texture. And considering how damaging chlorine is, I have to say I was impressed. Of course they use good products, like Shea Moisture leave-in and monthly Olive Oil packs as a DT.

    But of course, the key is always hair maintenance with good conditioning and trims.

    If I were their mother, of course, I would not use this product. But since I'm not, I think this product is far superior to the no-lye kiddie relaxers and I would recommend this to parents who insist on chemical processing, instead.

    It's a sad reality that AAs are reluctant to leave their kids' hair alone. But it's a fact that I've come to accept. This weekend at a community fair, I saw nothing but little AA girls with relaxed hair and many of them were under 6 years old. Their hair looks dry, damaged and dull. My nieces' hair in contrast still looks like healthy hair that maintains the integrity of AA hair texture. I'm sure some people would say their hair looks nappy. Yes, that's crazy.

    I have a neighbor who is a barber and raising a 4 year old daughter. He is a great guy who understands AA hair. Recently, I noticed that his daughter had her hair in a blown out style. He assured me that he had only let a co-worker blow her hair out, but confessed that his daughter was already beginning to pressure him about getting her hair relaxed. (Peer pressure).

    I told him about this product and frankly, since it's impossible to convince these young mother's otherwise, I recommend the texture softener over the relaxer any day. The images these kids see influence them. Right now, I'm watching the woman's USA basketball team at the Olympics and not one of the AA players is wearing their natural hair. They either have relaxed ponytails or braids/extensions.

    I tell any AA mother I talk to about this site. I recommend learning how to manage your own hair texture. But the bottom line is if these women are resistant to learning, there's nothing anyone can do. In that case, I think this product, compared to no-lye, is a terrific product.

    I recommend finding out about texturizing techniques before using it. Knowing how much curl pattern you want to release, and drawing a 'hair map' of your hair so that you know how to apply the product. For example, the bottom back of one of my nieces hair has very soft silky tightly coiled hair, so I apply only a small amount to that area last and smooth it lightly. The result is that she still has that curly pattern only slightly looser.

    I took the time to post this to give a wider perspective. Again, leaving the hair natural and learning a curly girl hair regimen is the best. But, for those who simply don't want to do that, the texture softener is a better option than no-lye kiddie relaxers.

    Sorry for the long post.

    relaxers and texturizers are the exact same thing.
    no lye relaxers are basically "over the counter" relaxers. in the professoinal world, there is no such thing as no lye relaxers. the reason they sell no lye relaxers at stores is because after a while they stop processing on there own. since youre basically giving nonprofessionals a caustic chemical they need a way to safeguard the comsumer the best way they can.
    also, there is no such thing as a kiddie relaxer. just like the "texture softener" the name is a marketing ploy to make you think youre giving your child something safer or better for their hair.

    in the end, its all a relaxer.
  • elizabeth melizabeth m Posts: 1Registered Users
    Someone please help me, I used the Just for me Texture softener on my son who is mixed race. (White/black) He had very curly hair and I just wanted to make it soft and easy to manage. I did not know that it would take out all of his curles and leave it dry. What can I do to save his hair and get back his curles? Will his curles ever come back? Should I just shave his head now? Someone please help, I dont know what I'm doing.
  • NikG20NikG20 Posts: 461Registered Users
    Someone please help me, I used the Just for me Texture softener on my son who is mixed race. (White/black) He had very curly hair and I just wanted to make it soft and easy to manage. I did not know that it would take out all of his curles and leave it dry. What can I do to save his hair and get back his curles? Will his curles ever come back? Should I just shave his head now? Someone please help, I dont know what I'm doing.

    *sigh* :sad7:

    His curls will not come back. Only with new growth. So if shaving his head is something you want to do, go for it. That's the only way his curls are coming back. If you don't want to shave his head, make sure you keep his hair well moisturized. Try Giovanni Direct Leave-in, Mixed Chicks, Shea butter, etc...

    I just made a post this month about the Just Say HELL NO Texture Softener. You can check it out if you want.

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  • NikG20NikG20 Posts: 461Registered Users
    subbrock wrote: »
    auntcurly wrote: »
    I began using this product on my twin nieces' hair this year. The reason? Because their mother is absolutely clueless about their 4a hair. She had already given them a kiddie relaxer at 4 years old. (They're 9 now) Of course their hair got damaged and luckily for them I was able to salvage their hair with expensive conditioners and regular trims. It took about 3 years for the relaxer to get out of their hair.

    But this year, they're hair had grown very long, and they themselves were encouraging their mother to get their hair relaxed because ALL of the kids in their classes have relaxed hair. Their mother was convinced that the only reason their hair got damaged before was because they were too young.

    When I saw this product advertised, I knew it would be a very mild relaxer. It was a case of the lesser of 2 evils. Those No-Lye Kiddie Relaxers are the worst.

    So I used the product first on my sister/their grandmother, whose hair is curly like theirs and thinning due to age. My sister's hair actually came out great. She still had curl, but her hair was not hard and felt very conditioned. She actually liked the results. She was able to maintain texture, and get a straight style if she wanted. I noticed that the damage in terms of hair breakage was neglible to be honest, none at all. She suffered no hair breakage and being that her hair is thin now, that was a blessing.

    Just For Me is a mild relaxer which leaves the hair with a texture different from kiddie relaxers. Yes, if you leave the product on too long you could ostensibly 'relax' your hair and release most of your curl. But you can, if applied correctly, not destroy your curl pattern.

    But of course, that's the problem with texturizers, the application. It's a hit or miss situation.

    The end result on my nieces' hair has been great. They can wear their hair curly, or straight. Hair breakage, again no different than without the product. And when new hair grows in, there is not such a drastic difference in texture that they have to get a touch-up right away. Depending on what level loose curl pattern you're going for, you could probably apply this twice a year certainly no more than 3 times, some even once-a-year.

    This summer for example, I did not re-apply the product and their hair pretty much looked like their regular hair, only easier for them to manage. They were able to go swimming everyday, condition wash and air dry into a curly look, wear loose braids, twists or wear a pony tail with texture. And considering how damaging chlorine is, I have to say I was impressed. Of course they use good products, like Shea Moisture leave-in and monthly Olive Oil packs as a DT.

    But of course, the key is always hair maintenance with good conditioning and trims.

    If I were their mother, of course, I would not use this product. But since I'm not, I think this product is far superior to the no-lye kiddie relaxers and I would recommend this to parents who insist on chemical processing, instead.

    It's a sad reality that AAs are reluctant to leave their kids' hair alone. But it's a fact that I've come to accept. This weekend at a community fair, I saw nothing but little AA girls with relaxed hair and many of them were under 6 years old. Their hair looks dry, damaged and dull. My nieces' hair in contrast still looks like healthy hair that maintains the integrity of AA hair texture. I'm sure some people would say their hair looks nappy. Yes, that's crazy.

    I have a neighbor who is a barber and raising a 4 year old daughter. He is a great guy who understands AA hair. Recently, I noticed that his daughter had her hair in a blown out style. He assured me that he had only let a co-worker blow her hair out, but confessed that his daughter was already beginning to pressure him about getting her hair relaxed. (Peer pressure).

    I told him about this product and frankly, since it's impossible to convince these young mother's otherwise, I recommend the texture softener over the relaxer any day. The images these kids see influence them. Right now, I'm watching the woman's USA basketball team at the Olympics and not one of the AA players is wearing their natural hair. They either have relaxed ponytails or braids/extensions.

    I tell any AA mother I talk to about this site. I recommend learning how to manage your own hair texture. But the bottom line is if these women are resistant to learning, there's nothing anyone can do. In that case, I think this product, compared to no-lye, is a terrific product.

    I recommend finding out about texturizing techniques before using it. Knowing how much curl pattern you want to release, and drawing a 'hair map' of your hair so that you know how to apply the product. For example, the bottom back of one of my nieces hair has very soft silky tightly coiled hair, so I apply only a small amount to that area last and smooth it lightly. The result is that she still has that curly pattern only slightly looser.

    I took the time to post this to give a wider perspective. Again, leaving the hair natural and learning a curly girl hair regimen is the best. But, for those who simply don't want to do that, the texture softener is a better option than no-lye kiddie relaxers.

    Sorry for the long post.

    relaxers and texturizers are the exact same thing.
    no lye relaxers are basically "over the counter" relaxers. in the professoinal world, there is no such thing as no lye relaxers. the reason they sell no lye relaxers at stores is because after a while they stop processing on there own. since youre basically giving nonprofessionals a caustic chemical they need a way to safeguard the comsumer the best way they can.
    also, there is no such thing as a kiddie relaxer. just like the "texture softener" the name is a marketing ploy to make you think youre giving your child something safer or better for their hair.

    in the end, its all a relaxer.

    Exactly.
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  • Cali ChikCali Chik Posts: 1,494Registered Users
    The Hair Texturizer bullsh*t is such a slap in the face to humanity. The sh*t is a scheme and it's a way to further teach people to hate themselves. It makes me angry just thinking about it.
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  • KitathenaKitathena Posts: 1,666Registered Users
    I am so sick and tired of Just for Me. I almost fell into the trap after my BC and did a blog post on it as well.
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    VERY misleading website and claims.
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  • Booker Ts MamaBooker Ts Mama Posts: 670Registered Users
    What really kills me is how can something give "worry free maintenance" when you will have to keep putting it in your child's hair in order to "make it more manageable"? :scratch: That right there should turn the light bulb on for some people.
  • brooke0219brooke0219 Posts: 3Registered Users
    I am writing because I am extremely angry about the misleading wording that is being used to market the Just For Me Texture Softener. I compared the ingredients in the "Texture Softener" to the ingredients in the relaxer and found that they are essentially the same. I then called 866-730-9101 to inquire about this, and was informed that the ingredients are indeed the same, but the that the method of application is different. I told the agent who answered the phone that the language used in the product information guide is incorrect and misleading, as it states that the texture softener "naturally and gently softens" hair texture. There is nothing "natural" about a product that contains the same chemicals as a relaxer. When I stated this to the agent she started talking in circles, saying that nothing except for the chemicals that are in the product would straighten the hair (?!) which is why it is marketed this way, as there is no natural product that can have the same effect? That makes absolutely no sense, of course the chemicals in the product are what straighten the hair, but it is totally inappropriate to say that this product works naturally. I have a PhD in microbiology, and am outraged that the margeting team for this product feels it is acceptable to say it works naturally. Had I not actually read the ingredients I would never have known that there is really no difference between this and a relaxer, and it is completely irresponsible of Soft and Beautiful to market this product as if it is an alternative to relaxers, when in actuality it is the same product being applied in a different manner. Calling it a "sunflower oil formula" leads the consumer to believe that sunflower oil is the main active ingredient in the texture softener when it is not, calcium hydroxide is, which (as clearly stated on the Material Safety Data Sheet) is corrosive and can cause severe skin and eye burns. This misleading and incorrect labeling of this product must be stopped, as consumers who might not be as diligent as myself are probably applying this to their children's hair, not knowing they are actually using a chemical relaxer (and I am certain this is the intent of Soft and Beautiful, to target unassuming consumers who would prefer not to chemically treat their children's hair).
  • *Marah**Marah* Posts: 8,032Registered Users
    Whooo goodness I can't stop laughing.. I know I shouldn't but I looked at the video and when that lady started talking about the "anti-breakage" formula.. and all it is .. is some sunflower oil.. I am about died. Whoooooooo goodness. LOL!

    It's a shame how they target certain groups that are naive. But to those of us in the know...They aren't slick. They are pulling the same crap that another brand that calls theirs a "silkener" is pulling. You just put that oil in there to slow down the process of the straightening.

    Look, you could just buy a regular relaxer..toss some oil and conditioner in it like all these "natural salons" do that "soften", "silken", or "texturize" the hair and get the same results.

    This stuff isn't anything new.. folks have been doing this stuff for years. Oy.

    People, all a "texturizer" is .. is a RELAXER. It's lye based (no-lye is still lye). The difference is with texturizers is that you just don't leave them on as long as relaxer and you dont' comb them through that way the curl in the hair doesn't relax straight..and you are left with some curl but it's looser. The oild and conditioners are put in the product to slow the processing down..that way you have some time to get it all in the hair before it starts to straighten it.

    Thing is you have to be extremely careful with this stuff and you have to know what the texture of the hair is you are using it on.. for a person with curly but very fine hair that want to retain their curls..this could be DISASTEROUS.
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  • rhiannonrhiannon Posts: 80Registered Users
    kamris wrote: »
    HAHAHAHA I just watched that video for the "instructions" and this product is so BLATANTLY marketed towards white moms with biracial kids or white moms with adopted ethnic kids that doesnt have A CLUE how to do hair. they made it look like giving a perm was a science fair project!

    Yup, that sure is true! I would be laughing if the video didn't make me so sad and pissed off. I can't believe these products are marketed towards children -- why isn't it illegal to use this stuff on kids? I hate "relaxers" so much. But of course informed adults can do what they want - relaxing is mostly a victimless crime, lol. But pushing this stuff on moms of little girls is just so horrible. I guess this touched a nerve for me ....
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  • KibblesKibbles Posts: 3Registered Users
    Hello my Sisters,

    I was reading the posts, and I had to add my two cents.

    First off...a texturizer IS A relaxer...don't be fooled, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If it chemically loosens the curl, it is a relaxer. Remember the saying, "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck".

    I have very thick, dense, type 4a hair. When it's natural, I have to wet it to comb it.

    And just in case anyone is wondering, I am not bi-racial, I am Black. I have a little Native Amer. and Euro waaaaaaaay back, but African is the pre-dominant ancestry ( as is the case with many Afro-Amer. ), so, I am Black.

    I was natural for about 11 years. Working as a nurse, I had the freedom to do what I wanted with my hair, I wore braids, twists, afro-puffs, etc.. I had a career transition and got a corporate job, and yes, I succumbed to the pressure of the corp. world and decided to relax my hair.

    I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my natural Black hair, so I didn't want it bone straight, I wanted to maintain some of my coils and curls so I decided to use a texturizer. Besides, I used a bone straight relaxer for most of my life ( my poor Mom had a hard time with my thick, dense, hair, so at age nine, she relaxed it).

    The standard bone straight relaxers were terrible, my hair was consistently damaged and breaking. So, texturizers seemed to be the obvious choice.

    I trusted the "stylist" with my hair, and allowed her to apply a so-called texturizer that they used in the salon, to my hair. Bad, bad decision. My hair went from scalp to floor.

    I decided to try a new salon, AND bring my own kit. I happend upon the aforementioned product and decided to try it. Well, it has been almost three years, and I am very pleased with the results.

    My hair is straighter than I would have liked it, but it is not bone straight. Unless you are wearing a short, pixie style, never, ever relax your hair until it is bone straight. If your hair is medium to long, allowing it to maintain a little of it's natural curn pattern will produce relaxed hair that has more body and bounce, making it healthier looking.

    PLEASE NOTE: Any process that breaks the disulfide bonds of the hair strands, rendering them impossible to re-form, will without question, cause damage.

    After you apply the relaxer, the damage has been done, that is a fact, BUT there are things you can do to help your hair maintain strength, and vitality.

    1. As I mentioned earlier, unless your hair is styled in a short, pixie cut, do not relax your hair until it is bone straight. Your hair needs body in order to look healthy and vital. For medium to long hair, try using a texturizer like Just for Me. Your hair will look thicker and will have more bounce. I have seen ladies with hair relaxed so straight, it looks like it has been glued down....NOT a good look!

    2. If relaxing at home, please make sure all of the relaxer has been washed out. Wash at least 3-4 times, then apply a deep conditioner. I use Organic Root Stimulator Replenishing Conditioner, follow package directions. If I have it, I add a little almond, avocado, coconut, wheat germ, and/or vitamin e oil, and shea butter to the conditioner. These oils are great for adding softness and shine. After hair has been conditioned, gently rinse out the conditioner with lukewarm/warm water. NOT HOT. Wring out your hair, do not rub it with a towel, this will cause even more damage. I recommend roller setting. If you choose to roller set or blow dry, use a leave-in conditioner. I use Infusium 23. Make sure your hair is well coated with it. Don't over use it, but dont under use it...use your discretion. Proceed to roller set hair. If you want your hair to appear straighter, you may use a CERAMIC flat-iron or curling iron to get it straighter, BUT do two very important things. Use an alcohol free heat protecting spray before using the iron ( I use Nexxus Heat Protexx), and keep the iron at it's lowest setting; too much heat is a bad move.

    3. For hair washing in-between relaxers. Wash your hair every 5-7 days. Shampoo with a quality product, I use Dove Intense Moisture shampoo, always deep condition, and follow the steps I outlined in section 2. Wait at least 8 weeks before relaxing again.

    If you have questions, suggestions, or want more info. Contact me. I'd love to hear from you.

    Peace, love and tranquility y'all!
  • KibblesKibbles Posts: 3Registered Users
    oh yea, one more thing.

    i agree with the Sisters who wrote that relaxers dont belong in children's heads.

    it causes serious damage, and in my opinion, affects self-esteem

    if you are a grown-up, and happy with yourself, do what you want.

    but little girls are still forming opinions of themselves, so give them a chance to form an opinion of themselves as they really are. when they are older, and decide they want to relax well...talk about it.

    I'm not knocking my Mom for relaxing my hair. She did the best she could, but it became too difficult for her. Even Black mothers have a hard time doing their daughter's natural hair. Luckily, my parents told me I was their beautiful baby girl, with natural hair, relaxed hair..whatever!

    And if there are any White moms of Black/White bi-racial or Black children reading this, if you are having difficulty with your child's hair, dont worry about it. Some Black mothers have a hard time too, but if you have Black friends or coworkers that you trust, reach out and ask for advice. Comb the Internet for advice, and buy a couple books. I strongly recommend, No Lye by Tulani Kinard. It is an excellent guide for caring for natural Black hair.

    Finally, this goes out to BOTH White mothers and Black mothers, please, dont allow your child to feel like their hair is a problem. If you notice that your child is embarrased or ashamed of their hair. Nip it in the bud right away.

    OK I've added to two cents!

    peace :o)
  • TwirlsCurlsandMoreTwirlsCurlsandMore Posts: 2Registered Users
    parents please do not use this product. i seen a parent use it in my daughters preschool and it messed up the childs hair drastically!!!
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  • dededededede Posts: 78Registered Users
    *Marah* wrote: »
    Whooo goodness I can't stop laughing.. I know I shouldn't but I looked at the video and when that lady started talking about the "anti-breakage" formula.. and all it is .. is some sunflower oil.. I am about died. Whoooooooo goodness. LOL!

    It's a shame how they target certain groups that are naive. But to those of us in the know...They aren't slick. They are pulling the same crap that another brand that calls theirs a "silkener" is pulling. You just put that oil in there to slow down the process of the straightening.

    Look, you could just buy a regular relaxer..toss some oil and conditioner in it like all these "natural salons" do that "soften", "silken", or "texturize" the hair and get the same results.

    This stuff isn't anything new.. folks have been doing this stuff for years. Oy.

    People, all a "texturizer" is .. is a RELAXER. It's lye based (no-lye is still lye). The difference is with texturizers is that you just don't leave them on as long as relaxer and you dont' comb them through that way the curl in the hair doesn't relax straight..and you are left with some curl but it's looser. The oild and conditioners are put in the product to slow the processing down..that way you have some time to get it all in the hair before it starts to straighten it.

    Thing is you have to be extremely careful with this stuff and you have to know what the texture of the hair is you are using it on.. for a person with curly but very fine hair that want to retain their curls..this could be DISASTEROUS.


    I used to JFM Texture Softener today. I only used half the cup (I have 5 inches of hair), add the oil to my hair, added some more Jojoba oil to my hair and in the cup. And left it in for a total of 10-12 minutes. I don't think it really did anything. I even combed it through :( But I'm done with texturizers!
    4.5"-5"
    4 months natural
    8 months post
    4a/4b
    My go-to styles: Wash-N-Go Pony puffs
  • aquaprincessaquaprincess Posts: 2Registered Users
    :)from what i know it works wonders and helped me maintain my natural curls even with my transition out of perms in to all natural. i am thinking about gn bc
  • aquaprincessaquaprincess Posts: 2Registered Users
    *Marah* wrote: »
    Whooo goodness I can't stop laughing.. I know I shouldn't but I looked at the video and when that lady started talking about the "anti-breakage" formula.. and all it is .. is some sunflower oil.. I am about died. Whoooooooo goodness. LOL!

    It's a shame how they target certain groups that are naive. But to those of us in the know...They aren't slick. They are pulling the same crap that another brand that calls theirs a "silkener" is pulling. You just put that oil in there to slow down the process of the straightening.

    Look, you could just buy a regular relaxer..toss some oil and conditioner in it like all these "natural salons" do that "soften", "silken", or "texturize" the hair and get the same results.

    This stuff isn't anything new.. folks have been doing this stuff for years. Oy.

    People, all a "texturizer" is .. is a RELAXER. It's lye based (no-lye is still lye). The difference is with texturizers is that you just don't leave them on as long as relaxer and you dont' comb them through that way the curl in the hair doesn't relax straight..and you are left with some curl but it's looser. The oild and conditioners are put in the product to slow the processing down..that way you have some time to get it all in the hair before it starts to straighten it.

    Thing is you have to be extremely careful with this stuff and you have to know what the texture of the hair is you are using it on.. for a person with curly but very fine hair that want to retain their curls..this could be DISASTEROUS.


    ( true thing is it really did help my breakage)
  • dededededede Posts: 78Registered Users
    *Marah* wrote: »
    Whooo goodness I can't stop laughing.. I know I shouldn't but I looked at the video and when that lady started talking about the "anti-breakage" formula.. and all it is .. is some sunflower oil.. I am about died. Whoooooooo goodness. LOL!

    It's a shame how they target certain groups that are naive. But to those of us in the know...They aren't slick. They are pulling the same crap that another brand that calls theirs a "silkener" is pulling. You just put that oil in there to slow down the process of the straightening.

    Look, you could just buy a regular relaxer..toss some oil and conditioner in it like all these "natural salons" do that "soften", "silken", or "texturize" the hair and get the same results.

    This stuff isn't anything new.. folks have been doing this stuff for years. Oy.

    People, all a "texturizer" is .. is a RELAXER. It's lye based (no-lye is still lye). The difference is with texturizers is that you just don't leave them on as long as relaxer and you dont' comb them through that way the curl in the hair doesn't relax straight..and you are left with some curl but it's looser. The oild and conditioners are put in the product to slow the processing down..that way you have some time to get it all in the hair before it starts to straighten it.

    Thing is you have to be extremely careful with this stuff and you have to know what the texture of the hair is you are using it on.. for a person with curly but very fine hair that want to retain their curls..this could be DISASTEROUS.


    ( true thing is it really did help my breakage)

    so you're saying that they texturizer helped reduce breakage? (mainly from SSKs, right?) I had a ton of SSKs before the texturizer, and now, I don't beause my hair doesn't tangle as much
    4.5"-5"
    4 months natural
    8 months post
    4a/4b
    My go-to styles: Wash-N-Go Pony puffs
  • NicoleisthebestNicoleisthebest Posts: 1Registered Users
    i think i might have messed up my hair when iused this softener. ok so i used it last december but instead of leaving it for five mins my mom left it for 30 and kept combing it through so as i suspected, it came out straight. well most parts anyway, and the rest was still coarse and kinky. i am half indian half negro so you can imagine my hair. so i did it again after a month and some of the curl was restored but some parts were still straight. i decided i will let everything grow out and do it all over again. but people keep telling me it looks like it has broken. help please. thats nott the rest of the story but i dont want to bombard anyone:( please help!
  • adthomasadthomas Posts: 5,525Registered Users
    i think i might have messed up my hair when iused this softener. ok so i used it last december but instead of leaving it for five mins my mom left it for 30 and kept combing it through so as i suspected, it came out straight. well most parts anyway, and the rest was still coarse and kinky. i am half indian half negro so you can imagine my hair. so i did it again after a month and some of the curl was restored but some parts were still straight. i decided i will let everything grow out and do it all over again. but people keep telling me it looks like it has broken. help please. thats nott the rest of the story but i dont want to bombard anyone:( please help!

    First of all a month is way to soon to reapply this kind of chemical treatment. If your hair is breaking extensively I suggest you get it cut before the damage gets worse. If you want to chemically alter your hair again use this growing out phase to do your research on how to care for it. Or you can learn to care for your hair in its natural state. I also suggest you visit the transitioning section because growing out chemicals is a difficult process.
    Yes, it's real. No, you can't touch it. :wav:
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