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Pen Spring/Coil type hair

Jadedea JadeJadedea Jade Posts: 67Registered Users
i have the pen springs/coils hair and they are small. if i use a comb to comb out/detangle i get this weird straightened out afro puff that just doesnt look right. i mean like i shouldnt walk outside or go to work with it lol. i get tight coils by the hairline and these weird spirals/loose curls towards the crown. even when i do twist outs my hair gets wavy and not curly no matter how big or small the twist is. i thought my hair is like the ad on the left (except more straight with little to no kinky), the hair rules kinky before/after. but when my hair is wet it looks nothing like that.

am i just looking at wrong photos for inspiration?
is my hair supposed to do that? or is that just one of the many styles you can rock with my type of hair?
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  • kayasmommykayasmommy Posts: 109Registered Users
    I have tiny coils over much of my head too...and I love them! I had to quit looking to photos for inspiration, because I simply haven't seen another head of hair like mine. Your hair is unique to you, and you have to find what works best for it. I've had a lot of luck with shingling styles. Taking gel/product through small sections of wet hair, with a fine-toothed comb gives me lots of definition, but is very time consuming. I've also had lots of luck with raking Long Aid curl activator gel through wet hair with my fingers, and then making a puff at the crown of my head. When I do twist-outs, I use a combo of gel/conditioner/and castor oil, and I flat-twist as much as I can. That gives a more uniform curl appearance, and the mixture gives me plent of hold. My hair does not get the "clumping" or individual strands of curls that some others get, but I've learned to work with what I've got, and love it!

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  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users
    u should only comb out or detangle with conditioner in your hair. after you rinse, leave your curls/coils alone. you can apply a leave-in and/or styler if you choose and just rock it like that... :)

    that hair rules pic isn't a good example :sad6:
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  • Jadedea JadeJadedea Jade Posts: 67Registered Users
    is your hair supposed to feel dry, moist, sticky, soft, what????
  • CoilyOne1812CoilyOne1812 Posts: 384Registered Users
    These are hard questions to answer because there's no supposed to. The way you describe your curl being pulled out reminds me of the front/crown section of my hair. It's the tightest and if I pull it in a ponytail it loses all curl formation. If you want to rock a big blowout type fro then I think you would want your hair to look like that. It you want a more compact style that showcases your curl, then that's not hitting it.

    As to how it should feel, I would say it shouldn't feel sticky (well maybe it could feel sticky, but most people don't like that) or dry. I guess soft would be the best word to describe how properly moisturized hair should feel; but "soft" feels different on different types of hair.
    layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
    spiced with a few spiral coils and non-curling waves
    mostly medium and fine with a sprinkle of coarse strands
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    Question.


    Has anyone with 4a curls ever shingled their hair and the curls turned to waves with S curl bends instead of usual curl ringlets ?
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Interesting question...I don't think I have even seen ringlets turn to s curls with shingling, wouldn't it just become an elongated ringlet?
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    You would think so but that didn't happen to me the last few days on a test I've been doing.


    I never thought to shingle as I usually finger rake product in when I wear a wash and go. Well I was bored so i tried some Miracurl out on a section of hair and shingled it in. My hair is elongated with prominent S's or waves.

    I'm almost tempted to try it out fully but I'm in a protective style until the end of this month.
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Interesting! Well whenever you are done protective styling, I wanna see! :)
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    There's some pictures in my fotki under claudes challenge for the test trial. You have to be my friend though.
  • rosscdrosscd Posts: 464Registered Users
    Shawnyblazes,

    I usually rake product as well. Shingling seems so time consuming. Let us know when you do your full head. I would love to see the results.
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  • cassadie3cassadie3 Posts: 506Registered Users
    you know--- it depends on how large the sections are when I shingle/smooth. If I take smaller sections and REALLY work the product through, I do get a stretched out S-curls rather than my tiny ringlets. This also takes FOREVER so I usually dont do this and just do larger sections and let the tiny ringlets be...

    also, I never use a comb. breaks up my curl pattern too much.
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  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Shawnyblazes, your hair looked cool!

    Possible stupid question in 5...4...

    What would be the difference between raking/shingling a small piece of hair? I thought that shingling just gave more coverage, but if it's a few strands of hair wouldn't you ensure you covered them with product anyway? Or do you use more product with shingling? Have you finger raked Miracurl before and your ringlets were in tact?
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  • cassadie3cassadie3 Posts: 506Registered Users
    3...2....

    my understanding is that raking is with fingers and shingling is done with a comb (possibly of the fine tooth variety) and smoothing is done just by that, smoothing the product over the hair...
    ellepixie wrote: »
    Shawnyblazes, your hair looked cool!

    Possible stupid question in 5...4...

    What would be the difference between raking/shingling a small piece of hair? I thought that shingling just gave more coverage, but if it's a few strands of hair wouldn't you ensure you covered them with product anyway? Or do you use more product with shingling? Have you finger raked Miracurl before and your ringlets were in tact?
    :::::::joie de vivre:::::::
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    4a, fine, dense, teeny weeny coils with low porosity

  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Hah! Thanks Cass. I get it now. Hm...**wheels turning in my little head**
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    I think it's the fingers raking versus the pad of the finger smoothing/shingling .

    Cassadie and Ross. I agree I do finger rake larger sections because it takes longer if I do smaller sections. However I noticed that I missed sections of my hair and therefor it would poof and frizz instead of clumping together.

    The reason I'm wondering if shingling would work is because I would only have to style it once a week and refresh it when I need be.

    I've noticed my hair has seperated a lot with shingling that section versus my dense wash and go's. Push come to shove I know I might get tired if I try to shingle my whole head. I was curious if it happened to other 4a's as well.

    Elle, Shingling that section of hair I only used a dime size amount. Before with finger raking the Miracurl I used about 2-3 ozs on my whole head. It prolly will equal out in the end though.
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Does shingling reduce frizz too if you're combing from the root? Rosscd, you're right though, it does seem time consuming!
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    For me shingling is only using the comb once as I comb the product in a section of hair. The styling part is where I smooth it on by going the the length of the hair with the pads of my finger. So maybe I should say smoothing?

    I have less frizz though.
  • cassadie3cassadie3 Posts: 506Registered Users
    the key for me in however I style it is the final shake out. After I rake or smooth whatever product I'm using, I do a lot of shaking---side to side and upside down to not only break apart the larger clumps, but give my coils a lot of volume. I do this throughout the entire drying time. this makes for a lot of trips to the bathroom and/or a lot of strange stares in public....
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  • springyheadspringyhead Posts: 350Registered Users
    There seems to be more penspring curlies since the last time I visited the board. Yay!

    In warmer/humid weather i smooth products in about inch sized sections with my fingers. No frizz really and stays that way for over a week. When my hair was shorter/TWA phase, raking product through was just as sufficient and much faster. And always, shaking is a must!

    Warmer weather is on the horizon and can't wait to rock the little coils/wash-n-wear hair again :) It's quick, easy, low manipulation, and pensprings look wonderful in updos, buns, and flat twists in the front.
    4a, fine coils. low/med porosity. "It's springy. Like a slinky."--My Lil' Cousin

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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    photo-vi.jpg

    verses- top picture finger raking, bottom , shingling/pad of fingers smoothing down the length

    shingled2-vi.jpg
  • EllyEllyOxenFreeEllyEllyOxenFree Posts: 6,446Registered Users
    Both are purdy :)
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    Thanks Elle , its really interesting to see if I can get some hang time with the other method. Ive always assumed my hair would shrink down to 1-2 inches no matter what product Im using.

    :blob4:
  • curlyhersheygirlcurlyhersheygirl Posts: 475Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    Both are purdy :)


    I agree but it is interesting that you would get such a difference.
  • cassadie3cassadie3 Posts: 506Registered Users
    Thanks Elle , its really interesting to see if I can get some hang time with the other method. Ive always assumed my hair would shrink down to 1-2 inches no matter what product Im using.

    :blob4:


    were those pix dry or wet? what caused the least amount of shrinkage in the end?
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  • maybejadeymaybejadey Posts: 198Registered Users
    photo-vi.jpg

    verses- top picture finger raking, bottom , shingling/pad of fingers smoothing down the length

    shingled2-vi.jpg


    Oh my goodness! We really are hair twins, shawnyblazes. The top resembles my wash 'n go to the T and the bottom looks exactly like my shingling. And yes, when I shingle, some sections near the middle of my head on top turn into waves with S-curl bends because of the weight of the product. This is especially true with KCC.

    P.S. I love your hair, and not just because it looks like mine. :wink:

    To the OP: If your hair is really dense like mine, you may want to try foregoing the comb and opting for finger detangling when you wash. It might take a really long the first time, but because my hair coils so well, I don't have too much of a problem with it tangling when it's free as long as it's got some coiled hair to stick with. I've learned that *combing* (dry or wet!) actually creates tangles and frizz for me because it's blending all those little coils indiscriminately, and they happen to like the little coil-friends they've already made.
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    cassadie3 wrote: »
    Thanks Elle , its really interesting to see if I can get some hang time with the other method. Ive always assumed my hair would shrink down to 1-2 inches no matter what product Im using.

    :blob4:


    were those pix dry or wet? what caused the least amount of shrinkage in the end?


    Both pictures are dry, Top picture was done on wet hair , bottom picture was done on dry hair.

    The bottom picture has the least shrinkage ( it was done on dry hair and smoothing elongated my hair so it dried longer as well)

    MAYBE, I told you that was my hair you had on your head LOL
  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users
    ellepixie wrote: »
    Both are purdy :)
    sure are :love4:
    what product are you using and do you still like it?
    LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity:?, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

    faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
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  • CerendipityCerendipity Posts: 5,091Registered Users
    Thanks Hippy,

    The top picture is [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and QB's Honeybush Tea Gel

    The bottom is MiraCurl and a little Botanical Spirits Magic Curls ( something or the other) on top

    I havent tried the MiraCurl out fully yet though
  • hippychichippychic Posts: 4,673Registered Users
    Thanks Hippy,

    The top picture is [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] and QB's Honeybush Tea Gel

    The bottom is MiraCurl and a little Botanical Spirits Magic Curls ( something or the other) on top

    I havent tried the MiraCurl out fully yet though
    thanks shawnyblazes :)
    my hair doesn't like [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] or honeybush tea gel :(
    LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity:?, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

    faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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