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homemade DT for the protein sensitive

Does anyone have a good recipe? Also, no honey for me! (staying away from humectants)
3b/c coarse, porous (I think), and THICK! Mod CG since: 10/11/08
Avoiding humectants and protein!

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  • Curly_JammyCurly_Jammy Posts: 626Registered Users
    Hibiscus, aloe vera and coconut oil, super for moisture and shine! Also puree bananas, I use the baby food jars sometimes great for moisture.

    3c/3b, dry,high porosity, medium texture, thin density
    wash: CV Bars Neem or babasu marshmellow
    Co-Wash: Vo5 Moisture Milk Strawberry or TJ Spa
    Condish: GVP Condition Balm, Yes to Cucumber, Arua Cherry Almond bark
    DC: Homemade mixes of infused oils, amla, hibiscus, fenugreek, aloe vera.
    3c, fine, porous,MBL
    Pre: EVCO Poo: GTTT DC:AO GPB, TJ Nourish Spa+EVOO
    LI: Cantu Shea butter LI, YesToCarrots,(AVJ+H2O) Spritz
    Style: AVG, Eco Seal: Qp Mango & Olive oil, Shea AloeMix
  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    I know that both pureed bananas and avocados are good as natural hair conditioners. They add shine, softness and strengthen hair. But I read they both contain 1-2 grams of protein. I am wondering if this type of protein can pass into the hair shaft. Does any one know. Or has anyone with a protein sensitivity used either bananas or proteins to DT and had bad results.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • mushroom_headmushroom_head Posts: 118Registered Users
    belasuna wrote: »
    I know that both pureed bananas and avocados are good as natural hair conditioners. They add shine, softness and strengthen hair. But I read they both contain 1-2 grams of protein. I am wondering if this type of protein can pass into the hair shaft. Does any one know. Or has anyone with a protein sensitivity used either bananas or proteins to DT and had bad results.

    My hair is extremely protein sensitive. When I DT with olive oil/honey/avocado, the results were disastrous! I discovered later that avocados contain protein. Not sure if my hair dislikes olive oil yet, so avoiding for now. Curious about others experience with banana. I've got a jar on stand-by.

    Curlicarly, I've had great luck with Lustrasilk shea mango with honey added in the past, but not today -- turned out pouffy and big. Can you share your humectant avoidance strategy? I am completely clueless!
    Coarse, thiiiick, porous, drrrry, 2c, dislikes proteins, likes ACV!
    Suave or V05 for co-wash, Garnier Nutrise triple nutrition and sleek & shine, Matrix Biolage conditioning balm, FSG and LA Looks sports gel.
  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    belasuna wrote: »
    I know that both pureed bananas and avocados are good as natural hair conditioners. They add shine, softness and strengthen hair. But I read they both contain 1-2 grams of protein. I am wondering if this type of protein can pass into the hair shaft. Does any one know. Or has anyone with a protein sensitivity used either bananas or proteins to DT and had bad results.

    My hair is extremely protein sensitive. When I DT with olive oil/honey/avocado, the results were disastrous! I discovered later that avocados contain protein. Not sure if my hair dislikes olive oil yet, so avoiding for now. Curious about others experience with banana. I've got a jar on stand-by.

    Curlicarly, I've had great luck with Lustrasilk shea mango with honey added in the past, but not today -- turned out pouffy and big. Can you share your humectant avoidance strategy? I am completely clueless!

    Thanks for the info. I was suspecting that protein sensitive curlies might not do well with avocado or banana.

    I also try to avoid humectants. The ones I avoid are glycerin, honey, agave. Another humectant I should avoid but use is panthenol. I also avoid aloe which cause my hair to pouff out. In general will avoid these products especially if they are at the beginning to middle of an ingredient list. I do use products with panthenol but only if it is listed near the bottom.

    Perhaps Curlicarly can add her strategy.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • curlicarlycurlicarly Posts: 242Registered Users
    My hair hates avocado :(

    But I did have good results with a banana DT once! (besides the chunks of banana- be sure to blend it really really well!)

    Honey and other humectants cause huge poof for me. Darn porosity.

    I love olive oil though! Do you guys know if coconut oil has protein in it?
    3b/c coarse, porous (I think), and THICK! Mod CG since: 10/11/08
    Avoiding humectants and protein!
  • mushroom_headmushroom_head Posts: 118Registered Users
    curlicarly wrote: »
    My hair hates avocado :(

    But I did have good results with a banana DT once! (besides the chunks of banana- be sure to blend it really really well!)

    Honey and other humectants cause huge poof for me. Darn porosity.

    I love olive oil though! Do you guys know if coconut oil has protein in it?

    curlicarly, from your sig, seemed like our hair would have similar likes/dislikes. I tried the banana in DT last night and had to rinse out immediately. My hair texture got really rough and individual strands thickened up.

    From what I read, oils of any kind don't contain protein. Jojoba does since it isn't actually an oil, but a liquid wax. The coconut oil I sniffed at the health food store smelled really strong. Is that normal? And wondering if an oil would be better for sealing in moisture AFTER a DT?

    Sooo... what's left for the protein sensitive to DT with?!
    Coarse, thiiiick, porous, drrrry, 2c, dislikes proteins, likes ACV!
    Suave or V05 for co-wash, Garnier Nutrise triple nutrition and sleek & shine, Matrix Biolage conditioning balm, FSG and LA Looks sports gel.
  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    curlicarly wrote: »
    My hair hates avocado :(

    But I did have good results with a banana DT once! (besides the chunks of banana- be sure to blend it really really well!)

    Honey and other humectants cause huge poof for me. Darn porosity.

    I love olive oil though! Do you guys know if coconut oil has protein in it?

    Coconut oil does not contain protein. However, it does help to prevent protein loss. So if you use it, it will help your hair retain the protein that is already in it.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • curlicarlycurlicarly Posts: 242Registered Users
    mushroom_head: I don't know about the smell since i've never used it before. But I believe you're right about the sealing after DT.

    Maybe i'll try some kind of conditioner/AVG/olive oil dt. I can't think of any other natural ingredients that fit my picky hair!

    Any other ideas?
    3b/c coarse, porous (I think), and THICK! Mod CG since: 10/11/08
    Avoiding humectants and protein!
  • pe476206pe476206 Posts: 117Registered Users
    Protein Deep Conditioner:
    Combine:
    1 egg, beaten
    1 tablespoon mayonnaise ( the full fat kind, not the reduced fat)
    2 teaspoons olive oil.
    Massage well into hair from scalp to ends, then cover with a plastic processing cap. Process for one hour at room temperature, then cleanse hair with a non-sulfate cleanser. For added penetration, sit under a warm (not hot) dryer for 30 minutes.
    This deep conditioner works well with my hair and is moisturizing enough. I use this deep conditioner every 2 weeks.
    Some people can get protein overload, but it takes me a lot to get a protein overload. My hair fine though and needs a lot of protein, even my conditioner has protein in it.
    If your hair is thicker a protein deep conditioner may not be the answer.
    Fine hair, 3a/3b
    Shampoo: switching from a couple
    Conditioner: Herbal Essences totally twisted conditioner
    Deep conditioner: Aussie 3 minute miracle
    Styling products: pureology real curl, framesi hair treatment line colored treated serum
  • lindykatlindykat Posts: 90Registered Users
    The coconut oil I sniffed at the health food store smelled really strong. Is that normal?

    Good fresh coconut oil should smell like fresh shaved coconut. The intensity of the scent will lessen over time once it's been opened. However, if it starts smelling like something other than coconut, ditch it ASAP and get a new jar. Even oils will get rancid after a while. You can minimize that by using a spoon or something to get the oil out rather than your hands.

    Coconut oil is also fabulous on your skin. I'll use it on my legs after I get out of the shower, on my hands, or even on my face at times before bed. It works best just after you've gotten your skin wet since it locks in the moisture.
  • Curly_JammyCurly_Jammy Posts: 626Registered Users
    If you want some protein try coconut milk or yogurt as the base.
    3c, fine, porous,MBL
    Pre: EVCO Poo: GTTT DC:AO GPB, TJ Nourish Spa+EVOO
    LI: Cantu Shea butter LI, YesToCarrots,(AVJ+H2O) Spritz
    Style: AVG, Eco Seal: Qp Mango & Olive oil, Shea AloeMix
  • sandi47sandi47 Posts: 7Registered Users
    I have used banana which i SWEAR BY!!! my hair has been through such prolonged damage and lack of quality care -- relaxers every4 weeks for over 10 years --- Im not starting to learn my natural hair and what it likes and thank God for the internet..im learning so much ...I do think my hair dislikes some levels of harsh protein (like those commerical cholestoral products) left my hair super hard -- but when i mix bananas and yogurt with olive oil and jojoba oil my hair loooves it --- my hair is so springy and soft after 1-2 hours of saturation. :afro:
    BIG CHOP: July 2008

    FAVES:
    Good 'ol H20 :love3:
    Jojoba oil ;) Black castor oil, Extra Virgin Olive Oil (EVOO),Vitamin E oil, Coconut oil
    honey, aloe vera juice :happy7:
    Unrefined shea butter
    Aubrey Organics WC conditioner
    Qhemet Biologics Burdock root buttercreme
    lemongrass essential oil
    tea tree oil
    Apple Cider vinegar


    Fave homemade deep condition:
    baby food bananas, plain full fat yogurt, olive oil, jojoba oil and honey :love3:
  • thegreendivathegreendiva Posts: 20Registered Users
    Natural proteins can work okay on even protein sensitive ones- I really love using avocado or coconut milk. But this is my latest hair calming joy: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-green-diva.com%2F2010%2F03%2Ftropicalhairmask%2F" class="Popup
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    Simple Low poo routine: Pure Nuff Stuff Hair bar and shea butter.
    Plus occasional Lush American Cream (despite small amount of SLS).

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  • belasunabelasuna Posts: 599Registered Users
    Natural proteins can work okay on even protein sensitive ones- I really love using avocado or coconut milk. But this is my latest hair calming joy: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-green-diva.com%2F2010%2F03%2Ftropicalhairmask%2F" class="Popup

    I am really evaluating this because of recent research I've come across. The reason why natural proteins may work on protein sensitive is that I don't think those proteins even get absorbed into the hair. The only exclusion to this is milk protein which does abosrob into the hair. Egg protein does not. And I'm not sure fruit protein does either. Perhaps its the moisture content, antioxidants, vitamins and fatty acids in those fruits like bananas and avacados that benefit the curlies rather than their protein content. Just a theory I've been pondering.
    ~belasuna :angel1:
    3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
    CG since 7/27/09
    Bella Curl Products
    CW: protein free-cleansing creme
    CO: protein free MRcondish
    Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
    Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
  • queenofdisks80queenofdisks80 Posts: 155Registered Users
    belasuna wrote: »
    I know that both pureed bananas and avocados are good as natural hair conditioners. They add shine, softness and strengthen hair. But I read they both contain 1-2 grams of protein. I am wondering if this type of protein can pass into the hair shaft. Does any one know. Or has anyone with a protein sensitivity used either bananas or proteins to DT and had bad results.

    My hair is extremely protein sensitive. When I DT with olive oil/honey/avocado, the results were disastrous!

    I just had the exact same experience today! I had no idea I was protein sensitive, but now it makes since. My hair turned to straw, tangled horribly, and stuck out like Pippi Longstockings! It's taken hours and various remedies just to begin to rectify the problem.

    It seems that my normally low-protein routine was suffering from a mild protein build up and in my attempts to DT my slightly stressed and dry hair I made it 1000 times worse!

    My hair seems to really love Aloe Vera juce/gel, coconut oil and small amounts of honey.

    Hopefully I can return the two new conditioners that I bought at the mall the other day b/c both are loaded with protein!
    3b/3c at nape/a little 3a on the sides, med-course, high porosity, colored.
    Protein sensitive, hard water.

    spritz and condish
    low-poo: shea moisture, Y to Cucs (clarifying)
    RO: CJ A&OO, CJSL,GVPCB
    LI: CJ A&OO, CJCR
    DT:CJCR, GVPCB+evoo&honey
    stylers: FSG, SM Curl & Style Milk, CJCCCL, CJCIAB & Biolage gelee
    refresher:CJSL, CJCCCL, Lustrasilk OO
    PT: Sally's K-Pak, AO GPB