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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    I have a friend that takes amino acids for her hair. She buys the pills at a pharmacy, and it works quite well for her. So I'm thinking you should be able to purchase them at any pharmacy.
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  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    I have a friend that takes amino acids for her hair. She buys the pills at a pharmacy, and it works quite well for her. So I'm thinking you should be able to purchase them at any pharmacy.


    Thanks. I checked some brands and they are expensive. I'll keep looking!
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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    Hmm...really? The ones she uses aren't expensive...they're generic I believe.
    4a/b, fine to medium, high porosity.
    Co wash: VO5 Moisture Milks Strawberries & Cream
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    Leave-In: KCKT, VO5 Tea Therapy Blackberry and Sage, SheaM
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  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    Hmm...really? The ones she uses aren't expensive...they're generic I believe.

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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    Hmm...really? The ones she uses aren't expensive...they're generic I believe.


    Hello Tightlycurly,

    The thing is that most amino acid blends seem to be targeted towards bodybuilders. Thus it can get expensive and the aminos can be targeted towards goals I really don't want.

    I prefer either capsules or liquid to tablets bc they are more potent and fast acting than tablets. I won't do power (although powders can be more potent than tablets) bc they are too hard/inconvenient to mix and sometimes taste horrible.

    At any rate, I did finally find an amino blend in capsule form that closely resembles the Formula 37 blend, but the mcg and mg are not high enough thus I would probably have to take more - so that is an expense too.

    I will do more research and think on it to see what I decide.

    I am also trying to research the amino acid make up of hair. I am wondering now if the aminos are the key to faster growth?


    Hey Prettycurls, based on research I've done, it seems that the amino acids L-cysteine and L-methionine in particular are used for increasing hair growth and preventing hair loss respectively.So maybe a product blend with higher amounts of L-cystine (thats the dimer that is fomed when two cysteine combine) or even methionine (the body can synthesize cysteine from methionine) would be good. Better yet, L-cystine capsules might work? (Make sure its L-cysteine and not D-cysteine, D-cystine or 5-methyl cysteine).

    The amino acids that are important to bodubuilders are supposedly L-Arginine (increases muscle mass while decreasing body fat); Creatine Monohydrate (increases muscle size and strength and promotes "cell volumizing"); L-Ornithine (stimulates release of growth hormone); and L-Glutamine maximizes muscle growth, so it would probably be good to stay away from those. Thats about all the research I've done so far lol.

    I'm currently taking Pantogar which is used to prevent hair loss/shedding and aids in growth. I've only just begun to use it so I can't say how effective it is, but I've heard it works. Once I see positive results for sure, will let u know :-)
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    Styling: KCCC, sometimes ecostyler, Donna Marie MiraCurls.
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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    Ok cool! I didn't know about Tyrosine and L-Lysine. Good looking out! I'll keep an eye out for a supplement with all or most of these at least. Gosh that would be so perfect if there is one! Pantogar only has L-cystine so at least thats a start. I'll keep searching though.
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    Styling: KCCC, sometimes ecostyler, Donna Marie MiraCurls.
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  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    I am concerned about the potential toxicity issues.
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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    Hmm...after reading your posts I too am concerned with the toxicity issues. L-Cysteine seems plausible...I can do that, and maybe Lysine but the others, esp Arginine I'm having doubts about.

    In your last post it mentioned taking a single amino acid at any one time...that makes sense. Plus, I'm thinking that you can always have more of the types of food that contains the amino acid you want. It probably wont be as effective as taking a capsule but it will definitely be safer lol. Thanks for all the info so far! :-)
    4a/b, fine to medium, high porosity.
    Co wash: VO5 Moisture Milks Strawberries & Cream
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  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    I am angry that all the reasearch relating to hair and these aminos has to do with men. Nothing on women and how it reacts on women. Just men bodybuilding and rats. :goofy:
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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    Arginine and Lysine Compete with Each Other

    The reason foods present a problem in terms of arginine assimilation is that the amino acid lysine (which protects us against viruses) is present along with arginine in virtually all foods. Arginine and lysine compete with each for assimilation. This competition is what causess the problem. Eating both amino acids at the same time means that neither of them will be assimilated very well.
    To avoid competition between lysine and arginine, arginine rich foods need to be eaten two hours apart from lysine rich foods.
    There are a few foods that are significantly higher in arginine than lysine. So, by eating several servings of these foods in one sitting and not eating other lysine rich foods for approximately two hours before and after (because doing so would cancel out the assimilation of arginine), one could get a nitric oxide boost from l-arginine through diet without supplementation. The below table shows your “best bet” foods for getting arginine from food selection (the ones with the lowest number of servings needed):




    http://www.health-inspiration.com/html/arginine.html

    Hmm...ok. Food for thought. I would go the route of taking one amino acid for a period of time then switching to another (i.e. Lysine then arginine) just to increase efficacy and to eliminate even the possibility of competition.
    Hmm...after reading your posts I too am concerned with the toxicity issues. L-Cysteine seems plausible...I can do that, and maybe Lysine but the others, esp Arginine I'm having doubts about.

    In your last post it mentioned taking a single amino acid at any one time...that makes sense. Plus, I'm thinking that you can always have more of the types of food that contains the amino acid you want. It probably wont be as effective as taking a capsule but it will definitely be safer lol. Thanks for all the info so far! :-)


    You are welcome! I am thinking I may still do it, but just for a short time.

    I think I may take a complex to get the complimentary/synergistic effects and then take extra doses of the ones that are supposed to be good specifically for hair. I am leaning towards lysine and nac specifically for hair and maybe some methione, but I am unsure as to how arginine fits. Especially since it competes with lysine.

    My reasoning being that:

    1. All the studies are done on men
    2. They mostly deal with weight training
    3. The doc said that you get all you need from food, but I am thinking the body may use the extra to make hair
    4. A blend may help them work together bc it seems like they are related to each other and they are produced by one another or can convert
    5. My body maybe can use the extra doses to convert to hair


    The only drawbacks are:
    1. the individual aminos are all 1 dose like 400-500mg per pill

    whereas formula 37 has smaller mg taken throughout the day to make for an overall megadose of say 500mg - 2,800mg of any one amino.

    2. Since aminos do build up in the body and are not excreted [hence you can get toxicity] I am wondering if it matters if you take it once a day or throughout the day?


    Ohhh ok so you may have to take 2 to 3 capsules per day to get a decent dosage. I think that build up may only become an issue if your dosage is too high, therefore, not allowing enough time for the amino acids to be assimilated.

    I'll continue taking the Pantogar for a while to observe the effects. Then i'll try the amino acids...and maybe compare the effectiveness of the two, and of the amino acids themselves. Taking the complex then adding a dose or two of an amino acid like u intend to, should work as well. Let me know how it goes! Maybe i'll add few extra doses myself lol.
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    Co wash: VO5 Moisture Milks Strawberries & Cream
    DC: SheaMoisture deep treatments
    Leave-In: KCKT, VO5 Tea Therapy Blackberry and Sage, SheaM
    Styling: KCCC, sometimes ecostyler, Donna Marie MiraCurls.
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  • tightlycurlygurltightlycurlygurl Posts: 67Registered Users
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]What amino acids are present in hair fiber[/SIZE][/FONT] Below is a table of the amino acids present in normal human hair in order of their quantity.

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Amino Acid[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Amount in residues extracted[/FONT]

    Cysteine 17.5

    Serine 11.7

    Glutamic acid 11.1

    Threonine 6.9

    Glycine 6.5

    Leucine 6.1

    Valine 5.9

    Arginine 5.6

    Aspartic acid 5.0

    Alanine 4.8

    Proline 3.6

    Isoleucine 2.7

    Tyrosine 1.9

    Phenylalanine 1.4

    Histidine 0.8

    Methionine 0.5


    http://www.keratin.com/aa/aa012.shtml


    Hmm..so I wonder if hair growth is proportional to the amount of additional cysteine one obtains from supplements (since its the highest quantity), or the other amino acids that make up a significant amount of the total? It seems to me that many of the supplements targeted toward hair growth seem to focus on the presence of cysteine. Just a thought...
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    Co wash: VO5 Moisture Milks Strawberries & Cream
    DC: SheaMoisture deep treatments
    Leave-In: KCKT, VO5 Tea Therapy Blackberry and Sage, SheaM
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