Is this the old Jheri Curl

pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
I did the BC at the end of February and have gone completely natural with my corkscrew curls (Is that a 4a--don't really remember). I've been following the no-poo routine for a while (even stopped using the Deva no-poo and just resumed using the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]Deva One Condition[/buylink]er as my cleanser). Kinky Curly Knot Today and the Curling Custard are my leave-ins. But I'm not liking the always-tight corkscrews and curls that are shoulder length when you pull them straight and up around my ears in their natural state. I also miss feeling my hair move.

So I'm thinking of texturizing again. Went to see my old stylist today to talk about it and she mentioned another option...Softening the hair, putting it on rods and applying a second solution for looser more uniform curls. I don't know if this is the old Jheri Curl method or not.

Anyone know how this process compares to texturizing (which I did for about 33 years). The idea of reapplying the second solution to all the old growth as well as new growth every time I touch up scares me. Is it damaging? More damaging than texturing?

Feedback is appreciated.

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  • kejournerkejourner Posts: 180Registered Users
    yeah that sounds like a curl to me. i feel your pain. my hair is the same as yours. i'm going to wear it in braids for the winter and try to grow it out.
    last perm 4/07, BC 3/08, currently trying to grow out hair.

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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    That's a jericurl. Really bad for your hair health.
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  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    Hi SuburbanBushBabe. Nice to hear from you. I haven't posted anything in a while.

    What are you doing with your hair these days? Is it working for you
  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    Kejourner, how long is your hair now? What are you doing with it?
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    pericurl wrote: »
    Hi SuburbanBushBabe. Nice to hear from you. I haven't posted anything in a while.

    What are you doing with your hair these days? Is it working for you
    Hi Pericurl, I've been dry twisting over wash and gos to extend my hair wear to 5-6 days between shampoos. Check out my fotki. http://public.fotki.com/suburbanbushbabe/2009/dry-twistouts/
    My blog - http://suburbanbushbabe.wordpress.com/
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  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    Hi Pericurl,

    Please don't do this. At least really think about it. About two years ago I was impatient just like you and my hair was around shoulder length and I wanted all the length to show so I softened my hair- big mistake. True I had a color in it already, but it was still a big mistake. My stylist talked me into it and I have regretted it every since.

    The J-curl- just like a softener or relaxer can be unpredictable. My hair was so straight after the softener it looked stringy, thin, and mushy. I couldn't wear it down bc it had no body and was so limp. It has been torture growing this crap out.

    And I know you have seen some J-curls look like that. I have seen one or two look nice where the person got uniform - chunky curls, but sometimes it looks like a stringy mess and I have even seen some people who have "balded" with the j-curl just like some relaxers.

    Plus there is the issue of upkeep and breakage. Some j curls dry, puff, and frizz worse than natural hair. And then there is the product issue.

    I know it is hard to wait, but you will be past shoulder length in a few months.
    Have:
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  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    Here are some links on the history of j curls and what they do to your hair

    Part one:
    http://www.dralisyed.com/2009/03/a-quick-history-of-the-permane.html

    Part 2 [talks about how curly hair is "recurled with the j curl]:
    http://www.dralisyed.com/2009/03/chemistry-of-permanent-waving.html

    Part 3 [talks about the damage the j curl does to the hair]:
    http://www.dralisyed.com/2009/03/facts-you-should-know-about-pe.html

    Part 4: http://www.dralisyed.com/2009/04/perming-hair-while-using-condi.html
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  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    Hi Pericurl,

    Please don't do this. At least really think about it. About two years ago I was impatient just like you and my hair was around shoulder length and I wanted all the length to show so I softened my hair- big mistake. True I had a color in it already, but it was still a big mistake. My stylist talked me into it and I have regretted it every since.

    The J-curl- just like a softener or relaxer can be unpredictable. My hair was so straight after the softener it looked stringy, thin, and mushy. I couldn't wear it down bc it had no body and was so limp. It has been torture growing this crap out.

    And I know you have seen some J-curls look like that. I have seen one or two look nice where the person got uniform - chunky curls, but sometimes it looks like a stringy mess and I have even seen some people who have "balded" with the j-curl just like some relaxers.

    Plus there is the issue of upkeep and breakage. Some j curls dry, puff, and frizz worse than natural hair. And then there is the product issue.

    I know it is hard to wait, but you will be past shoulder length in a few months.


    So was your hair shoulder-length when stretched out, or shoulder-length when you weren't even touching it two years ago. Cause it's SO long now!

    As for me, I don't think I'm going to do any chemicals at all. I figured the j-curl would be too damaging and I looked at pictures of me with my formerly texturized hair. Curls on the sides were great. But the back of my hair was pretty straight and limp all through the crown.

    I still wish I could find a product that would give me movement.

    Any suggestions? Do you know anything about [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink] and Tweek?
  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »
    Hi Pericurl,

    Please don't do this. At least really think about it. About two years ago I was impatient just like you and my hair was around shoulder length and I wanted all the length to show so I softened my hair- big mistake. True I had a color in it already, but it was still a big mistake. My stylist talked me into it and I have regretted it every since.

    The J-curl- just like a softener or relaxer can be unpredictable. My hair was so straight after the softener it looked stringy, thin, and mushy. I couldn't wear it down bc it had no body and was so limp. It has been torture growing this crap out.

    And I know you have seen some J-curls look like that. I have seen one or two look nice where the person got uniform - chunky curls, but sometimes it looks like a stringy mess and I have even seen some people who have "balded" with the j-curl just like some relaxers.

    Plus there is the issue of upkeep and breakage. Some j curls dry, puff, and frizz worse than natural hair. And then there is the product issue.

    I know it is hard to wait, but you will be past shoulder length in a few months.


    So was your hair shoulder-length when stretched out, or shoulder-length when you weren't even touching it two years ago. Cause it's SO long now!

    As for me, I don't think I'm going to do any chemicals at all. I figured the j-curl would be too damaging and I looked at pictures of me with my formerly texturized hair. Curls on the sides were great. But the back of my hair was pretty straight and limp all through the crown.

    I still wish I could find a product that would give me movement.

    Any suggestions? Do you know anything about [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink] and Tweek?


    It was shoulder length when stretched out bc after the softener it was on my shoulders when I had it down. It would probably be longer id it hadn't started breaking and I managed to hold on to that length.

    I am not familiar with Jonathan's products. I haven't used them.

    Are you layering products? Do your ends ever fuse together? Do you use oils or glycerine? What is the weather like where you are?
    Have:
    4a Tailbone

    http://members.fotki.com/Prettycurls/about/ pw:curlspretty


  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »
    Hi SuburbanBushBabe. Nice to hear from you. I haven't posted anything in a while.

    What are you doing with your hair these days? Is it working for you
    Hi Pericurl, I've been dry twisting over wash and gos to extend my hair wear to 5-6 days between shampoos. Check out my fotki. http://public.fotki.com/suburbanbushbabe/2009/dry-twistouts/

    Just checked out your fotki. I so appreciate the photos and instructions. I really like pic #15.

    I have Deva's SIF and the Quemet HoneyBush Tea soft hold gel as well as Quemet's Burdock Root Butter cream in my bag of castoffs (that and Missy Jessie's Baby Buttercream are my only butters). Since I was going to wash tomorrow, maybe I'll try this dry twist-out tonight and see if I can get it to work for me. You've gotten some pretty amazing results and your hair looks so soft.

    I'll let you know my results.
  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »
    Hi Pericurl,

    Please don't do this. At least really think about it. About two years ago I was impatient just like you and my hair was around shoulder length and I wanted all the length to show so I softened my hair- big mistake. True I had a color in it already, but it was still a big mistake. My stylist talked me into it and I have regretted it every since.

    The J-curl- just like a softener or relaxer can be unpredictable. My hair was so straight after the softener it looked stringy, thin, and mushy. I couldn't wear it down bc it had no body and was so limp. It has been torture growing this crap out.

    And I know you have seen some J-curls look like that. I have seen one or two look nice where the person got uniform - chunky curls, but sometimes it looks like a stringy mess and I have even seen some people who have "balded" with the j-curl just like some relaxers.

    Plus there is the issue of upkeep and breakage. Some j curls dry, puff, and frizz worse than natural hair. And then there is the product issue.

    I know it is hard to wait, but you will be past shoulder length in a few months.


    So was your hair shoulder-length when stretched out, or shoulder-length when you weren't even touching it two years ago. Cause it's SO long now!

    As for me, I don't think I'm going to do any chemicals at all. I figured the j-curl would be too damaging and I looked at pictures of me with my formerly texturized hair. Curls on the sides were great. But the back of my hair was pretty straight and limp all through the crown.

    I still wish I could find a product that would give me movement.

    Any suggestions? Do you know anything about [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink] and Tweek?


    It was shoulder length when stretched out bc after the softener it was on my shoulders when I had it down. It would probably be longer id it hadn't started breaking and I managed to hold on to that length.

    I am not familiar with Jonathan's products. I haven't used them.

    Are you layering products? Do your ends ever fuse together? Do you use oils or glycerine? What is the weather like where you are?

    I'm in southeastern Michigan where we've had a most unusual summer. With the exception of one week in June, temps struggled to get to 70 for June and July. It turned nice and hot in August and has stayed that with (with the exception of one week at the end of August), but now we're cooling off again. Temps will be between 67 and 71 for the next week. Sunny and not particularly humid.

    As for my products, I cleanse and condition with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]Deva One C[/buylink]...adding either lemon juice or essential oil of lemon. Put in KC KNot Today and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KC Curling Custard[/buylink] and that's it. Nothing else. My ends don't fuse together
  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »
    pericurl wrote: »


    So was your hair shoulder-length when stretched out, or shoulder-length when you weren't even touching it two years ago. Cause it's SO long now!

    As for me, I don't think I'm going to do any chemicals at all. I figured the j-curl would be too damaging and I looked at pictures of me with my formerly texturized hair. Curls on the sides were great. But the back of my hair was pretty straight and limp all through the crown.

    I still wish I could find a product that would give me movement.

    Any suggestions? Do you know anything about [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-Solutions-Curl-Keeper-p-28.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=curly-hair-solutions-curl-keeper]Curl Keeper[/buylink] and Tweek?


    It was shoulder length when stretched out bc after the softener it was on my shoulders when I had it down. It would probably be longer id it hadn't started breaking and I managed to hold on to that length.

    I am not familiar with Jonathan's products. I haven't used them.

    Are you layering products? Do your ends ever fuse together? Do you use oils or glycerine? What is the weather like where you are?

    I'm in southeastern Michigan where we've had a most unusual summer. With the exception of one week in June, temps struggled to get to 70 for June and July. It turned nice and hot in August and has stayed that with (with the exception of one week at the end of August), but now we're cooling off again. Temps will be between 67 and 71 for the next week. Sunny and not particularly humid.

    As for my products, I cleanse and condition with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]Deva One C[/buylink]...adding either lemon juice or essential oil of lemon. Put in KC KNot Today and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KC Curling Custard[/buylink] and that's it. Nothing else. My ends don't fuse together


    Hmmm if your curls are defined from root to tip with no fusing and you still don't have movement - I am stumped.

    Lets see, usually honey (used sparingly), glycerine with water, or castor oil give me elongation i.e. hang and movement.

    Amla gives a lot of ladies elongation.

    Have you tried physical manipulation to lengthen the curl - like twistouts for example? Or ouidad suggests attaching clips to the ends of your hair to get a "longer curl" as your hair dries.
    Have:
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  • urbanmommyurbanmommy Posts: 155Registered Users
    Just say no to Soul Glo. ;)

    J-curls were lampooned for a reason - they were a hot mess. I had good luck using ORS No Lye for 10 minutes (see my thread under straightening). I'm 99.9% positive it's the same theory behind Ouidad's "softening".

    Or what about BKT or the Coppola treatment?
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  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »


    It was shoulder length when stretched out bc after the softener it was on my shoulders when I had it down. It would probably be longer id it hadn't started breaking and I managed to hold on to that length.

    I am not familiar with Jonathan's products. I haven't used them.

    Are you layering products? Do your ends ever fuse together? Do you use oils or glycerine? What is the weather like where you are?

    I'm in southeastern Michigan where we've had a most unusual summer. With the exception of one week in June, temps struggled to get to 70 for June and July. It turned nice and hot in August and has stayed that with (with the exception of one week at the end of August), but now we're cooling off again. Temps will be between 67 and 71 for the next week. Sunny and not particularly humid.

    As for my products, I cleanse and condition with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]Deva One C[/buylink]...adding either lemon juice or essential oil of lemon. Put in [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KC KNot Today[/buylink] and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KC Curling Custard[/buylink] and that's it. Nothing else. My ends don't fuse together


    Hmmm if your curls are defined from root to tip with no fusing and you still don't have movement - I am stumped.

    Lets see, usually honey (used sparingly), glycerine with water, or castor oil give me elongation i.e. hang and movement.

    Amla gives a lot of ladies elongation.

    Have you tried physical manipulation to lengthen the curl - like twistouts for example? Or ouidad suggests attaching clips to the ends of your hair to get a "longer curl" as your hair dries.

    What is the Amla treatment and what are the other treatments you mention in your fotki? Are these products? Where do you find them and what are they supposed to do?

    When do you use honey or glycerine and water or castor oil? Any oil I've tried to put on (coconut, jojoba or castor oil), I've rubbed in my hands then touched to dry hair and all it did was turn my defined curl into frizz. When are you supposed to use these oils (or honey or glycerine and water)?
  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »
    Hi SuburbanBushBabe. Nice to hear from you. I haven't posted anything in a while.

    What are you doing with your hair these days? Is it working for you
    Hi Pericurl, I've been dry twisting over wash and gos to extend my hair wear to 5-6 days between shampoos. Check out my fotki. http://public.fotki.com/suburbanbushbabe/2009/dry-twistouts/

    Hi Suburbanbushbabe. I tried to start the dry twists last night and couldn't do it. Are you doing a two-strand twist? My hair wouldn't stay twisted when I just took a section of hair and twisted it. I was concerned about using my Deva SIF because of the sodium hydroxide in it. (I stopped using it and my [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-Angell-p-57.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-angell]Deva Angell[/buylink] several months ago when my texturized hair stopped curling and started feeling really dry..that was before the big chop). Do you think my KCKT would work along the length of the strand and either the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] on the ends or the Quemet Butter cream or soft hold gel?
  • PrettycurlsPrettycurls Posts: 1,482Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »
    pericurl wrote: »

    I'm in southeastern Michigan where we've had a most unusual summer. With the exception of one week in June, temps struggled to get to 70 for June and July. It turned nice and hot in August and has stayed that with (with the exception of one week at the end of August), but now we're cooling off again. Temps will be between 67 and 71 for the next week. Sunny and not particularly humid.

    As for my products, I cleanse and condition with [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]Deva One C[/buylink]...adding either lemon juice or essential oil of lemon. Put in [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KC KNot Today[/buylink] and [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KC Curling Custard[/buylink] and that's it. Nothing else. My ends don't fuse together


    Hmmm if your curls are defined from root to tip with no fusing and you still don't have movement - I am stumped.

    Lets see, usually honey (used sparingly), glycerine with water, or castor oil give me elongation i.e. hang and movement.

    Amla gives a lot of ladies elongation.

    Have you tried physical manipulation to lengthen the curl - like twistouts for example? Or ouidad suggests attaching clips to the ends of your hair to get a "longer curl" as your hair dries.

    What is the Amla treatment and what are the other treatments you mention in your fotki? Are these products? Where do you find them and what are they supposed to do?

    When do you use honey or glycerine and water or castor oil? Any oil I've tried to put on (coconut, jojoba or castor oil), I've rubbed in my hands then touched to dry hair and all it did was turn my defined curl into frizz. When are you supposed to use these oils (or honey or glycerine and water)?


    Amla Brhami and Bhringraj are ayurvedic herbs. I mix them as a paste and then apply them to freshly washed hair - from root to ends. Let them sit for an hour or so in my hair and then rinse out. Then I do a DT and apply my styling products.

    You can find them at local Indian grocers or online.

    They do different things. A lot of women got elongation from amla, but amla loosened my curls soo much they became soft waves. Brahmi made my curls clump and bhringraj gave me a more defined, softer curl/spiral.

    I don't think it would hurt to experiment to find out what can give you what result.


    When I use honey, glycerine and oils I use them on wet hair. I wash (or co wash), condition, rinse:

    1. then I apply my leave in and I put a tiny dollop of honey in my leave in and apply it to my hair while dripping wet.

    or

    2. I will take a mix of glycerine and water and apply to wet hair


    After doing either of those two above I will apply either castor or olive oil to my hair on top of 1 or 2- while my hair is still wet.

    Then I allow it to dry.

    I don't oil my hair when dry. I rarely do anything to my hair when dry bc my hair doesn't agree with it. I always gently work with my hair when wet.

    Some people get better results when working with dry hair and some people get better results when wet.

    It may be that some oils don't work well with your hair. Coconut, palm, and shea are that way for me. I couldn't get them to do anything spectacular for my hair wet or dry.

    So you have to experiment a bit to find out what works for you.
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  • pericurlpericurl Posts: 39Registered Users
    pericurl wrote: »


    Hmmm if your curls are defined from root to tip with no fusing and you still don't have movement - I am stumped.

    Lets see, usually honey (used sparingly), glycerine with water, or castor oil give me elongation i.e. hang and movement.

    Amla gives a lot of ladies elongation.

    Have you tried physical manipulation to lengthen the curl - like twistouts for example? Or ouidad suggests attaching clips to the ends of your hair to get a "longer curl" as your hair dries.

    What is the Amla treatment and what are the other treatments you mention in your fotki? Are these products? Where do you find them and what are they supposed to do?

    When do you use honey or glycerine and water or castor oil? Any oil I've tried to put on (coconut, jojoba or castor oil), I've rubbed in my hands then touched to dry hair and all it did was turn my defined curl into frizz. When are you supposed to use these oils (or honey or glycerine and water)?


    Amla Brhami and Bhringraj are ayurvedic herbs. I mix them as a paste and then apply them to freshly washed hair - from root to ends. Let them sit for an hour or so in my hair and then rinse out. Then I do a DT and apply my styling products.

    You can find them at local Indian grocers or online.

    They do different things. A lot of women got elongation from amla, but amla loosened my curls soo much they became soft waves. Brahmi made my curls clump and bhringraj gave me a more defined, softer curl/spiral.

    I don't think it would hurt to experiment to find out what can give you what result.


    When I use honey, glycerine and oils I use them on wet hair. I wash (or co wash), condition, rinse:

    1. then I apply my leave in and I put a tiny dollop of honey in my leave in and apply it to my hair while dripping wet.

    or

    2. I will take a mix of glycerine and water and apply to wet hair


    After doing either of those two above I will apply either castor or olive oil to my hair on top of 1 or 2- while my hair is still wet.

    Then I allow it to dry.

    I don't oil my hair when dry. I rarely do anything to my hair when dry bc my hair doesn't agree with it. I always gently work with my hair when wet.

    Some people get better results when working with dry hair and some people get better results when wet.

    It may be that some oils don't work well with your hair. Coconut, palm, and shea are that way for me. I couldn't get them to do anything spectacular for my hair wet or dry.

    So you have to experiment a bit to find out what works for you.

    Do you NOT use a gel for curl definition? Does your leave-in, honey or glycerin and water, followed by the oil give you all the curl definition you need? What leave-in do you use?
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    pericurl wrote: »
    pericurl wrote: »
    Hi SuburbanBushBabe. Nice to hear from you. I haven't posted anything in a while.

    What are you doing with your hair these days? Is it working for you
    Hi Pericurl, I've been dry twisting over wash and gos to extend my hair wear to 5-6 days between shampoos. Check out my fotki. http://public.fotki.com/suburbanbushbabe/2009/dry-twistouts/

    Hi Suburbanbushbabe. I tried to start the dry twists last night and couldn't do it. Are you doing a two-strand twist? My hair wouldn't stay twisted when I just took a section of hair and twisted it. I was concerned about using my Deva SIF because of the sodium hydroxide in it. (I stopped using it and my [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-Angell-p-57.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-angell]Deva Angell[/buylink] several months ago when my texturized hair stopped curling and started feeling really dry..that was before the big chop). Do you think my KCKT would work along the length of the strand and either the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] on the ends or the Quemet Butter cream or soft hold gel?

    I do 2-strand twists, pretty large ones. I never noticed the sod. hydroxide in SIF, but I've been using it since late 2006 and it's a staple. I think it's used in miniscule amounts and doesn't affect hair texture. You could try the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink], I really don't know; it may be too wet. I use maybe 2-3 sprays (in my hand) of SIF per twist and I do 10 or 11 twists. Similar to the Devacurl SIF is Afroveda Moringa Supreme Leave-in, but I love the SIF better.

    When you get toward the ends make sure to smooth a good amount of buttery cream stuff in them. End hair should be totally smooth and saturated and should stick together when twisted. And the ends should curl into themselves.

    I've also twisted on dry hair with the Qhemet Honeybush.Don't use too much because it moistens quickly. It produces very fluffy twists. You may need something else on the ends.

    I just dry twisted tonight and used SIF on the hair and Loma Imply Molding cream mixed with a drop ofBaobab oil on the ends. I love the dry twists because it takes maybe 15 minutes tops to twist them and 10 to 15 minutes in the morning to undo and separate the twists.
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  • luvmycoilsluvmycoils Posts: 54Registered Users
    I do 2-strand twists, pretty large ones. I never noticed the sod. hydroxide in SIF, but I've been using it since late 2006 and it's a staple. I think it's used in miniscule amounts and doesn't affect hair texture.[/quote]
    She's correct. Sodium Hydroxide is used in miniscule quantities to balance the pH of a product. If the product is too acidic for hair health, you will see sodium hydroxide added to bring the pH back to optimum pH for hair (which is slightly acidic). Conversely you will sometimes see hydrochloric acid or citric acid used for pH balance on products that would otherwise be too alkaline. It's actually a good sign, it shows the product is pH balanced. Not all hair products are.
    4a coily with a bit of 3c near the front.
    Shampoo: Blended Beauty Soy Cream, Deva Low Poo
    Conditioner: varies, especially if not doing a leave-in/styler
    Leave in: Jessicurl Aloeba Daily
    Styler: KCCC + Gloss Pomade
  • luvmycoilsluvmycoils Posts: 54Registered Users
    pericurl,

    If you need more movement, perhaps your hair is too dense? Perhaps a haircut which removes some of the bulk?

    I think braidouts and twistouts also make the hair "less bulky" and give more movement. You've been given some good suggestions.
    4a coily with a bit of 3c near the front.
    Shampoo: Blended Beauty Soy Cream, Deva Low Poo
    Conditioner: varies, especially if not doing a leave-in/styler
    Leave in: Jessicurl Aloeba Daily
    Styler: KCCC + Gloss Pomade

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