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Help! Puppy won't sleep @ night! & other problems...

CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
So the new puppy has been here 2 nights. NONE of us have gotten any sleep either night. The puppy yaps, whines, barks ALL night long. Seriously, he didn't stop for more than 5 minutes! I don't see how he can keep that up all night at 4 months old.

We have him confined in the kitchen when we're home, he's fine most of the time. Goes to the door to go out, no accidents in the crate at night. But he doesn't usually go into the crate during the day, not on his own. Since he is put in the crate at night only, he doesn't like it much. He won't sleep at all.

I hear mixed reviews on putting the crate in our bedroom at night. Should I? Will that help, or make it worse in the long run?

With my other 2 dogs before him (separately), they stayed in the crate at night in the kitchen. Never really left the kitchen except to go outside. No problems. This one is another matter. I'm thinking part of it is that the other 2 were from a shelter, each caged separately, found as strays. This one was found with his mom and a litter of 8, and has been in a foster home with them all since. His mom got adopted a month ago, the pups have gone one by one, but he was still left with 3 littermates. I think he gets too lonely.

Also, the foster had a pen inside the house with a doggy door to the outside, and they were allowed to go in/out all day *and* night. I'm thinking he slept in the heat of the day and played all night! :angry7:

So, do I move the crate to the bedroom? Try to tough it out in the kitchen? We're trying to keep him awake most of today so he's tired at night. Should I try Rescue Remedy at bedtime? Or Comfort Zone?
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  • CurlyHairedFarmerCurlyHairedFarmer Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    He needs to be crate trained. This involves him being comfortable in it while everyone is home, not just at night.
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    I'm such an enabler. Whenever I've had puppies, they have slept in the bed with me. There's nothing like a puppy snuggling up to you at night. This is what they are use to. Maybe try a stuffed animal and a clock ticking.

    I've never had an animal I had to have crated. This is why I don't have an animal now. I'm not home during the day and most weekends.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    I'd just let him cry. He'll get tired of it eventually...probably just another night or two. I'd probably also crate him a bit during the day. I'd give him a treat every time he goes in the crate, along with the command (whatever word you decide to use...I used "kennel"). I make going-in-the-crate one of the dogs "jobs", and if he performs well, he gets a treat and words of praise.

    I'm not a fan of crates in the bedroom (but I'm not a fan of kids in my bed either, so there you go), so I'd keep his crate in the kitchen or wherever you've decided to keep it.

    I hope you're working on training him during the day, not just playing. He's already 4 months old, and the sooner he learns basic commands, the better.
  • VTmomVTmom Posts: 2,486Registered Users
    I think you really just need to tough it out - it's only been 2 nights, eventhough I know it seems like an eternity to you and your family. He'll get the idea before long and then you'll be glad you didn't cave.
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I did put a ticking clock next to the crate last night. Tried lights on/off (nightlight). I just don't know if I can handle another sleepless night. :evil1: I'm going to try the Rescue Remedy tonight since I have it on hand. He has toys in there, and a nylabone to chew. He is currently sleeping on the throw rug in front of the crate door.

    He's good during the day, when I can see him. I leave him out when I leave the room. I'm afraid if I leave him loose at night he'd destroy the kitchen (incl chewing on the new cabinets!). I know we need to spend more time getting him used to the crate, need to get some tasty treats.

    Outside, *everything* goes in the mouth. He has to be watched constantly, as we have a garden (flower and veg) full of potentially poisonous plants.

    I'm starting to think this was a mistake, sad to say. :( He's much more of a handful than other pups we've had. My first guy was raised in this house, same yard and plants, no problems. AAaargh!

    So, I'll leave the crate in the kitchen tonight, but we did clear an area behind the bed for the crate in case we need to drag it in there overnight. I did sleep on the couch the first night for a few hours, but he woke up soon after I left. He can be sound asleep, and if you walk oer to peek, he wakes right up! The ears!
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  • Curls=BeautyCurls=Beauty Posts: 1,781Registered Users
    Definitely crate train him. This is a helpful website on crate training. He is a puppy and isn't used to the crate, you can't expect him to be perfectly fine with it without training him to be.
    Make sure he gets plenty of exercise during the day, including a walk.
    As for putting the crate in your bedroom, that is totally up to you.
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  • CurlyCanadianCurlyCanadian Posts: 10,776Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Make sure he is spending lots of time in the crate during the day. It needs to be his safe place, not just where he goes at night.

    Try the clock and a stuffy, or a radio on a talk channel on low.

    A blanket over the crate worked with one of our puppies, she wouldn't make a peep till that blanket came off.

    I wouldn't be moving the crate around, he needs consistency at this point.

    If you have a puppy pen, or can your hands on one, you can set it up off the end of the crate. That way the puppy is still enclosed and out of trouble, but has so area to roam.

    We had something like this set up, but the crate opened up into it at one end....

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    If he is used to being in a pen where he can come and go, this is all new to him and will just take some time for everyone to get settled.

    Good luck :)
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    need to get some tasty treats.



    Have you got some hotdogs in your freezer? Take a hotdog and cut it into about 50 pieces...really small. Put them on a paper plate and put in the microwave for a few minutes. The goal is to cook the hotdog pieces til they are hard and without moisture...tiny hard nuggets. Cool and store in a small plastic container. Dogs go apesh1t over these little nibbles and you won't fill him up so he can't eat his regular dinner.
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    I wonder if he is upset because he is not in the crate except at night. I worked 1 block from home when I got Casey so he was in his crate during the day (in the beginning) and at night. I never had complaints that he was howling or barking (I lived in an apartment) during the day and I know he did not at night. I kept him downstairs as well. I had also heard the blanket over the crate trick. I am willing to bet you are right - he is lonely without his littermates. Maybe try putting on a radio at night in the kitchen too....real low...I did that with Casey during the day-not sure if it helped or not but I did put on talk radio so he 'heard' voices. I feel your pain-Casey was so easy-I am scared to get another dog even though I keep thinking about getting another one.

    I babysat for a lab that was 10 weeks old at one point-he was not a good sleeper-that was a long week but he actually got better near the end because I never took him out when he was awake at night. And I took him for a 2 mile walk every night.:angry7:
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  • WiregirlWiregirl Posts: 1,695Registered Users
    I could not crate train my dogs, the crying stressed me out sooo much, and one puppy would poop in the crate and then had to have a bath every morning at 6am. SO I just took him to bed with me and 3 years later he's still there.. Good luck, I just can't take the crying, but then again my kids slept with me too.... :occasion9:
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Definitely crate train him. This is a helpful website on crate training. He is a puppy and isn't used to the crate, you can't expect him to be perfectly fine with it without training him to be.
    Make sure he gets plenty of exercise during the day, including a walk.
    As for putting the crate in your bedroom, that is totally up to you.

    We play with him a lot out back, but he can't go for walks until he gets his last DHLLP(?) shot and rabies shot. He'll be 4 months in 2 weeks.

    Thanks for the link, I'm not sure if I saw that one in my searching. We always wait for him to settle down before letting him out at night, and only to potty and go back inside. We don't use it to punish him at all, and try not to stuff him in and slam the door! But no matter how tired he seems, he wakes up and barks all night.

    CurliLocks wrote: »
    need to get some tasty treats.

    Have you got some hotdogs in your freezer? Take a hotdog and cut it into about 50 pieces...really small. Put them on a paper plate and put in the microwave for a few minutes. The goal is to cook the hotdog pieces til they are hard and without moisture...tiny hard nuggets. Cool and store in a small plastic container. Dogs go apesh1t over these little nibbles and you won't fill him up so he can't eat his regular dinner.

    I'll have to try that. Hopefully, the hotdog won't upset his tummy, he's only been on the one food and we kept that the same. Off to find a hotdog. :)
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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    Good luck tonight!
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    xcptnl wrote: »
    Good luck tonight!
    Thanks! We'll try more tricks tonight, and the hotdog for a bit now to get him in there more during the day.

    Of course, he's sleeping like an angel right now -- must wake him up so he's tired at bedtime!

    We need all the good luck we can get tonight! Son has school tomorrow! Hubby has work, but he's the only one that is sleeping thru most of the noise.
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  • SilverLockesSilverLockes Posts: 74Registered Users
    When I got my dog (the love of my whole entire life) going on 18 years ago (yikes), we used this book to get us started:
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    Crate training is really a good idea with a puppy. With our pooch, it was his home. He went there when things got too hectic with company over, if there were noisy kids in the house, if he felt stressed out for whatever reason. He loved his crate. It was his den.

    We kept his crate in the bedroom, so I could attend to him easily in the night. At four months, your little guy is probably able to "hold it" all night at this point, but if he needs to go out you'll be able to hear his "out" whine and take him out before he wakes up the whole family. We had a number of soft cuddly (quiet) toys that were always in the crate, and those were his bed time friends.

    Overall, crate training worked out really well for us. Do some reading, and don't give up. Puppies are an awful lot like kids, and if you give in once, they'll test you forever, hoping you'll give in again. Be strong!!
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  • SilverLockesSilverLockes Posts: 74Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    Hubby has work, but he's the only one that is sleeping thru most of the noise.

    Isn't that always the way??:angry7:
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  • tinicurlydtinicurlyd Posts: 1,053Registered Users
    I used the same type of crate , even the same way u have CurlyCanadian for my lil chihuahua when she was a puppy, shes 4 now. Those are the best crates compared to just a carry crate that u use to travel with. It does take a while to crate train a puppy unless the are use to being crated at nite or during the day. My lil chihauhua was use to being crated at nite and day since she was with her siblings. Plus since she was the runt of the litter i didnt want her to get outside the doggy door so i crated her and hour or so if i was away and she was perfectly fine , no crying. She slepted with me during the nites tho. My sister has 2 labs and her first one was easier to take to crate training cuz she came from a breeder that trained her . Her other lab took some time cuz he was from another family that couldnt handle him anymore and gave him to my sister so of course he was much more harder to crate train . He cryed at nite alot for about a week in a half or so and then was able to sleep thru the nite. Lotts of toys , even a blanket to snuggle with in the dog bed. I used a lil pup pal that i warmed up for my chihuahua and it kepted her warm and she fell alsleep much faster.:)
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  • SilverLockesSilverLockes Posts: 74Registered Users
    Oh, I forgot that we also used a regular doggie bed inside the crate. It was rectangular, so it fit the shape of the crate, and made it nice and cozy in there for him.
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    He has an old soft blanket in there, folded in 4 so it's very fluffy! :)
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    Is that like you used tinycurlyd? Petco has them in stock, maybe he'll feel better with a warm cratemate. ;) Off to buy one now!

    I tried the hotdog and got him in and out a few times. I'll work on longer times thru the rest of the day (and this week), and hope for the best tonight.
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  • fig jamfig jam Posts: 2,555Registered Users
    Oh, don't give up yet! It's hard going from a quiet, well-trained, beloved older dog to a rambunctious young puppy, and I know sleep deprivation is no fun . . . We forget how difficult puppies can be. The last puppy I had, I found myself thinking, "I HATE PUPPIES!!!" But only at times . . .

    You've gotten some good advice here already,but I'll add a few things from my experiences with dogs.

    In addition to treats to go in the crate, crating some during the day, etc., I also always fed my puppies their meals in their crates, so they had that pleasant association also.

    I had a crate in the bedroom, always have had. For one, it let me know if puppy was restless and needed to go outside (though I tried to set an alarm and let him/her out at a regular time if they weren't old enough to make it all night). Dogs like to sleep near their pack.

    I TOTALLY disagree about having a puppy in the bed with you. Not a good idea for so many reasons. Though I do allow my adult dogs on the bed, they have to wait for an invitation and must get off whenever I say. My next dog -- I think we won't have any more dogs in the bed. Just tired of the dog hair, even from spanking clean dogs.

    Though I do like the dog in the bedroom, they must learn to be alone -- crating during the day when you're home can help with that. I'd keep a crate in the kitchen and one in the BR.

    And please don't give in to the temptation to let a puppy stay uncrated when you can't supervise. Yes, you will have a destroyed kitchen. And all the bad feelings that come with that.

    YOu say he is 4 months old? That's part of the difficulty. I think an older puppy is much harder to integrate into the family than a younger one -- though not at all impossible to do, just more difficult. Be patient!

    Another book recommendation: How To Raise a Puppy You Can Live With (Rutherford & Neill) -- available on Amazon.com. Has all kinds of good stuff, including a fair amt. of detail on crate training.

    Good luck -- tough it out. Be sure you're not responding with ANY attention at all when he's crying/whining in the crate, including telling him to hush. He ONLY should get attention/let out when he is silent. Wait for the moment when he is quiet, then let him out and praise.

    Total consistency with this has taught many a dog that the silent dog earns freedom -- the yapping dog stays put!

    You might also want to look into a trainer -- to help train you to train him, esp. since you sound frustrated with him. He may require pretty different techniques than you were used to with your old friend . . .
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    fig jam wrote: »
    Oh, don't give up yet! It's hard going from a quiet, well-trained, beloved older dog to a rambunctious young puppy, and I know sleep deprivation is no fun . . . We forget how difficult puppies can be. The last puppy I had, I found myself thinking, "I HATE PUPPIES!!!" But only at times . . .

    .....You might also want to look into a trainer -- to help train you to train him, esp. since you sound frustrated with him. He may require pretty different techniques than you were used to with your old friend . . .
    I'll be looking for a trainer soon, or puppy lessons, but he needs all the vaccines first. 2-3 more weeks to go until then. :(

    LOL @ the bolded. :D I was SO there last night! Yes, I had forgotten how much work and trouble puppies can be, but then I got spoiled with 2 great ones in the past. I miss them both. :(

    I'm thinking PITA or Booger fits him right now. :tongue5:

    Thanks for all the great replies. I am going to go buy that warming buddy now before they close. Can't hurt to have a cuddle buddy in the crate.
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  • fig jamfig jam Posts: 2,555Registered Users
    Ha ha! Pita! Poor little Booger . . .

    Good luck, and I hope the Cuddle Buddy is indestructible!

    I had one of those "wild ones" after having had a couple of dream puppies -- he challenged everything I thought I knew about dogs. As Cesar Millan says, you don't always get the dog you want, but you get the dog you need.

    It was true for me. I ended up loving that dog like no other (maybe because we went through so much together in our relationship, ha ha) and was absolutely heartbroken when he died ridiculously young (age 5).

    I'll keep the good thought for ya both! (The record squaller in my house went three nights -- here's hoping that's the end of it for you, too.)
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  • Curls=BeautyCurls=Beauty Posts: 1,781Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    Definitely crate train him. This is a helpful website on crate training. He is a puppy and isn't used to the crate, you can't expect him to be perfectly fine with it without training him to be.
    Make sure he gets plenty of exercise during the day, including a walk.
    As for putting the crate in your bedroom, that is totally up to you.

    We play with him a lot out back, but he can't go for walks until he gets his last DHLLP(?) shot and rabies shot. He'll be 4 months in 2 weeks.

    Thanks for the link, I'm not sure if I saw that one in my searching. We always wait for him to settle down before letting him out at night, and only to potty and go back inside. We don't use it to punish him at all, and try not to stuff him in and slam the door! But no matter how tired he seems, he wakes up and barks all night.


    As soon as you can start taking him on a walk-it will help.
    I know it's pretty hard at first, it does get better. After our last puppy we had, we swore no more puppies! lol! Just too much work to get them house trained, crate trained, trained in general, teach them to walk on a leash properly, take them out to the bathroom so often etc. But I do love them so!
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    fig jam - so true, all of it! I hope it's the end of the sleepless nights too.

    But I think DH let him sleep the whole time I was gone at the store. :mad: I just gave him a new toy to keep him busy, but he fell asleep. I think I'll try to get him in the crate again since he's sleepy anyway. Then bring him out for potty and a romp to tire out again for the long night.

    Oh, the toy has nooks like a Kong and I got the squeeze cheese peanut butter, so maybe that will keep him busy until he falls asleep.
    I'm so tired, I'm ready for bed now! And it's only 7 pm!
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  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Got him into the crate with hotdog bits and the new toy! :thumright: He fell asleep, woke up and gave a couple of very low whines, and fell back asleep. So far so good, it's been an hour. Unfortunately, we'll have to put him out before we go to bed or he won't last the night. Or I'll just wait until he cries later if he's sleeping well when I go to bed, which is going to be very soon. Wish us luck for the night! :)
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Our Lucy was 2 months old when we got her. The crying/barking was intense, but it only lasted for a few nights, tops. Definitely less than a week, if I remember correctly. I was actually surprised at how little time it took.

    It subsided considerably when we moved the crate into our bedroom. Like someone else here, we also used a cloth to cover the crate. She sleeps in her crate downstairs nowadays.
  • fig jamfig jam Posts: 2,555Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    Got him into the crate with hotdog bits and the new toy! :thumright: He fell asleep, woke up and gave a couple of very low whines, and fell back asleep. So far so good, it's been an hour. Unfortunately, we'll have to put him out before we go to bed or he won't last the night. Or I'll just wait until he cries later if he's sleeping well when I go to bed, which is going to be very soon. Wish us luck for the night! :)


    No, no, no! You want to avoid, if you can, taking him out in response to a cry. Wake him up and take him out before you go to bed . . . if you still think he won't make it after that, set an alarm for middle of the night and wake him again. Better YOU be in control than HIM. He'll also start learning he goes out when he's quiet. Not when he cries.
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  • PT_CudaPT_Cuda Posts: 329Registered Users
    Even older dogs need someone when you bring them into a new house. We had to sleep out in the living room with Angus when we got him. His crate is in the living room we made sure he knew that was his sleep space a few days and he settled in. A younger one I would have put the crate in the bedroom, just easier for me when he would need to go outside.

    You might be able to move the crate out farther from you to its final spot as he gets older and in more control of bathroom time and as he gets comfy in your house and with you. He's scared and unsure so he's also testing you to see if you are really gonna take him as one of the pack. Respect is being earned both ways right now.

    No to doggy in the bed. Invited to snuggle but always sleeps in his crate. Bigger dogs it has to be this way and if you have other pets.

    Don't get mad you will get frustrated its ok. Ignore the bad and praise the good.
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    fig jam, right again. I'm so tired I'm not thinking clearly. I just didn't want to wake the sleeping Dragon! :lol: I will put him out before bed.

    PT, if he hollers all night tonight, I will bring the crate to the room. We did clear a space behind the bed for it. But I'd like to give it one more night in the kitchen. He will most likely sleep in our room later (not on the bed) but only when he's proven safe. ;)

    It's been a couple of hours and he's been quiet. I hear him stir but he hasn't whined. DH and I are watching TV in the living room off the kitchen (he's actually in the dining area, like a breakfast nook.) I think he's so exhausted after the last 2 nights, he might sleep quietly.
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  • fig jamfig jam Posts: 2,555Registered Users
    CurliLocks wrote: »
    fig jam, right again. I'm so tired I'm not thinking clearly. I just didn't want to wake the sleeping Dragon! :lol: I will put him out before bed.


    Hee -- I know that feeling! Maybe that's why you should keep his name . . .
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