Uproar over Obama's speech to children? Um, what?

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BRAINWASHING???? Really????

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  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It's quite possible that I've missed some alternate angle to this but I'm not seeing what the issue is.

    So President Obama wants to make a speech specifically to the children of our country detailing how important their education is, therefore they should take it seriously.

    Then specific points will be discussed.


    I don't think there's anything wrong with our country being more unified.

    And he's discussing education. What's he going to do? Brainwash children to do better in school?

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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    The right wingers are just grasping at straws. They keep trying to paint Obama as a scary-black-born-in-African-illegitimate-president-unAmerican-radical-SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST. It makes them look crazy.
  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    The right wingers are just grasping at straws. They keep trying to paint Obama as a scary-black-born-in-African-illegitimate-president-unAmerican-radical-SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST. It makes them look crazy.


    But the media keeps focusing on this kind of stuff, and the sheep are going to follow!


    I understand that some people don't agree with him, but they've taken sore losing to a whole new level.

    It's a political race, someone wins, and someone loses. Is it necessary to baulk everything the person says because you happen to oppose the majority of their ideas.

    God forbid opening your mind to accept new ideas. They're afraid something may actually work and they're the dumb ones who didn't think of it.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,259Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    iroc wrote: »
    The right wingers are just grasping at straws. They keep trying to paint Obama as a scary-black-born-in-African-illegitimate-president-unAmerican-radical-SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST. It makes them look crazy.


    But the media keeps focusing on this kind of stuff, and the sheep are going to follow!


    I understand that some people don't agree with him, but they've taken sore losing to a whole new level.

    It's a political race, someone wins, and someone loses. Is it necessary to baulk everything the person says because you happen to oppose the majority of their ideas.

    God forbid opening your mind to accept new ideas. They're afraid something may actually work and they're the dumb ones who didn't think of it.

    It's Fox News and several of the right-wing talk radio shows focus on this stuff. I don't consider them to be "media". They are talk shows. They have sheep though, and they definitely follow those talk shows as if it were real news.

    It's all psycho-talk. But we have free speech in this country, and that means that psycho-talk-shows can call themselves "media". That doesn't mean that they give real news though.
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for bringing race into yet another thread but, yeah, it's racism.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Springcurl wrote: »
    I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for bringing race into yet another thread but, yeah, it's racism.

    You beat me to it. The most angry are mad that 1. "their guy" didn't win and 2. Obama is black.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Trenell wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »
    I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for bringing race into yet another thread but, yeah, it's racism.

    You beat me to it. The most angry are mad that 1. "their guy" didn't win and 2. Obama is black.

    When I heard this news story this morning, my immediate thought was, "It's because he's black."

    Imagine a white male president wanting to do this. He would be called "innovative" and it would become a yearly tradition. It would be like Roosevelt's fireside chats.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    My goodness, he hasn't even given the speech yet and people are dogging him. Not cool. I may not agree with everything he wants but it pisses me off to no end for someone to be rude or disrespectful to him. He is the President. The office/job alone deserves respect.

    My son brought home a permission slip - I never remember ever having to have a permission slip issued over a presidental speech. Yes, I want him to hear President Obama's speech. You can't understand what someone wants if you refuse to hear them.
  • nynaeve77nynaeve77 Posts: 7,135Registered Users Curl Novice
    Speckla wrote: »
    My goodness, he hasn't even given the speech yet and people are dogging him. Not cool. I may not agree with everything he wants but it pisses me off to no end for someone to be rude or disrespectful to him. He is the President. The office/job alone deserves respect.

    My son brought home a permission slip - I never remember ever having to have a permission slip issued over a presidental speech. Yes, I want him to hear President Obama's speech. You can't understand what someone wants if you refuse to hear them.

    You know what's sad? There are probably parents who won't sign their kids' permission slips. :(
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  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It's crazy what the extremists on the right are saying. I am getting sick of it. It is so absurd. Obama can't do anything right in their eyes. Not a single damn thing. I don't usually throw the race card, but I don't know any other explanation for the extreme disgust people have towards anything Obama says or does.
    It's one thing to disagree with him on policies. It's another thing to take a neutral thing like telling kids to work hard in school and turn it into this suspicious, conspiracy-type mumbo jumbo.
    I agree that it's taking "sore loser" into a whole 'nother level.
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  • alacurlalacurl Posts: 1,199Registered Users Curl Novice
    I agree that it's racism. Because it was perfectly OK with the right-wingers for white presidents to speak to schoolkids. But not Obama!
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    So, my husband just told me what happened today in the teacher's lounge. He and another teacher were debating about Obama and health care with the GOVERNMENT teacher. She was comparing Obama's speeches with Castro's.

    Hubby: Obama is not a moron. He's not going to try and turn us into a communist government after 200 plus years. I mean come on, the man went to Harvard.

    Her: Well, I'm not sure ifhe got into Harvards b/c he is smart or b/c of afirmative action.

    Twit probably has no idea hubby is married to a black woman and has a child.
  • JLeighsJLeighs Posts: 904Registered Users Curl Novice
    No thanks. He can save it. I don't want him, or Bush, or McCain, or Palin, or whoever filling my kid's head with typical-politician-agenda-driven horse manure. But, lucky me, I get to avoid all this kind of nonsense because my daughter is enrolled in a state-approved virtual highschool.

    Oh, and before anyone throws the race card at me again, I don't care what skin color today's politicians are. They're all the same. Corrupt, agenda-driven, and able to be bought. They don't give a rat's rear about me or mine. They care about only two things: power and money.
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  • TK*TK* Posts: 885Registered Users
    I don't recall anyone making this much of a fuss when Reagan and Bush did the exact same thing.

    "Sore losers" doesn't even begin to describe this senseless paranoia. Incidents like these make me ashamed to be American. It truly does.

    The talking heads really dug in deep with this one.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    JLeighs wrote: »
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    Oh, and before anyone throws the race card at me again, I don't care what skin color today's politicians are. They're all the same. Corrupt, agenda-driven, and able to be bought. They don't give a rat's rear about me or mine. They care about only two things: power and money.

    I'm not sure if you realize it, but usind the term "race card" is so offensive. It is usually used by people in order to belittle those who point out racism.
  • JLeighsJLeighs Posts: 904Registered Users Curl Novice
    Trenell wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you realize it, but usind the term "race card" is so offensive. It is usually used by people in order to belittle those who point out racism.

    Perhaps it is. Here's my problem. I'm being honest, and you can believe or not believe that. I've come to the realization that, on this board anyway, it doesn't matter at all what I say, how I say it, or how I try to explain that "I didn't mean it that way" when it comes to any topic that has even a hint of racial subject matter. It doesn't even matter whether or not my points had anything at all to do with race. Someone is always "offended". I've never been exposed to so many perpetually offended people in my life.

    So, what happens is, the first time I've inadvertently offended someone, I'm completely mortified that I've been so blind and stupid. The second time I've inadvertently offended someone, I'm upset and feel badly that I've yet again put my foot in my mouth. The third time I've inadvertently offended someone, my stomach starts churning. The fourth time I've inadvertently offended someone, my eyebrow goes up. By the three-thousand-seven-hundred-and-twentieth time I've inadvertently offended someone, I begin to think that either a.) my brains have leaked out of my ears, or b.) I've somehow stumbled upon the Sisters of The Perpetually Offended forum. Since I'm still able to type coherently (although that's open for discussion), I'm going to assume that I still have a brain cell or two left. That leaves option B.

    Now, for the last part of my post. If any of you feel that white people (including myself) have something to learn about race issues (and I'm sure we do --including myself), constantly accusing someone of being racist, or offensive, or ignorant isn't going to do it. The recipient of such a "teaching method" is going to eventually tune you (gy) out out of sheer self-preservation and self-defense. That's just human nature. I'm *quite* sure that someone is now mortally offended by this post, but I'm not going to apologize, or even feel badly, for speaking my mind. I've come to the realization that I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't on this forum.
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  • KookyCurlKookyCurl Posts: 1,980Registered Users
    I'm currently student teaching in an 8th grade social studies class. A student mentioned this speech and asked if we were going to watch it. He said it was about health care, to which my mentor teacher (who is a republican, though the kids don't know it and he strives hard to keep his personal politics out of the classroom) said no and muttered something about propaganda at me. Once I looked it up and saw that it was to be about education and taking control of their education he is all for watching it in class now.

    Here's the thing, the man is our President. He makes decisions that affect school kids every single day. That he is planning a speech directed at them is wonderful. I would welcome ANY President doing this for the kids. They deserve a chance to hear him speak, to be able to listen to his message and then decide for themselves whether they want to believe in it or not. It's a wonderful opportunity.
  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    JLeighs wrote: »
    Trenell wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you realize it, but usind the term "race card" is so offensive. It is usually used by people in order to belittle those who point out racism.

    Perhaps it is. Here's my problem. I'm being honest, and you can believe or not believe that. I've come to the realization that, on this board anyway, it doesn't matter at all what I say, how I say it, or how I try to explain that "I didn't mean it that way" when it comes to any topic that has even a hint of racial subject matter. It doesn't even matter whether or not my points had anything at all to do with race. Someone is always "offended". I've never been exposed to so many perpetually offended people in my life.

    So, what happens is, the first time I've inadvertently offended someone, I'm completely mortified that I've been so blind and stupid. The second time I've inadvertently offended someone, I'm upset and feel badly that I've yet again put my foot in my mouth. The third time I've inadvertently offended someone, my stomach starts churning. The fourth time I've inadvertently offended someone, my eyebrow goes up. By the three-thousand-seven-hundred-and-twentieth time I've inadvertently offended someone, I begin to think that either a.) my brains have leaked out of my ears, or b.) I've somehow stumbled upon the Sisters of The Perpetually Offended forum. Since I'm still able to type coherently (although that's open for discussion), I'm going to assume that I still have a brain cell or two left. That leaves option B.

    Now, for the last part of my post. If any of you feel that white people (including myself) have something to learn about race issues (and I'm sure we do --including myself), constantly accusing someone of being racist, or offensive, or ignorant isn't going to do it. The recipient of such a "teaching method" is going to eventually tune you (gy) out out of sheer self-preservation and self-defense. That's just human nature. I'm *quite* sure that someone is now mortally offended by this post, but I'm not going to apologize, or even feel badly, for speaking my mind. I've come to the realization that I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't on this forum.

    I was trying to explain to you why the term race card could be considered offensive. You can either accept that it is a not so nice term OR you can get all puffed up and defensive

    There is a third option C. That you are unaware or unfamiliar with culturally sensitive topics. There is no "blame" there. If no one told you, how are you suppose to know. But once again, even with that, you come to a crossroads. You can either try to
    learn from what others have to say OR just say that EVERONE else is just imagining it and stew in your own ignorance.
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    What the right-wing crazies are saying is that it's not the speech, it's the lesson plan (like teachers have to follow it?) that suggested that kids write about what they could do to inspire the President. When Bush I did the same thing, he had the kids write about their goals and send it to the president. So the Obama wording was changed to the same thing that Bush I used but that's still not the same. One of my local school districts isn't showing it all while the other is doing the permission slip thing.

    What I'd love a parent to explain to me is why a child hearing something with which you don't agree is bad thing? Seems to me it's a great teaching moment...you could say to the child that morning "make sure you listen carefully so we can talk about it this afternoon". I remember my dad hated Richard Nixon but listened to state of Union cause he said we had to keep up with him.

    Let's see the uproar the next time a President tries to do this.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    Trenell wrote: »
    So, my husband just told me what happened today in the teacher's lounge. He and another teacher were debating about Obama and health care with the GOVERNMENT teacher. She was comparing Obama's speeches with Castro's.

    Hubby: Obama is not a moron. He's not going to try and turn us into a communist government after 200 plus years. I mean come on, the man went to Harvard.

    Her: Well, I'm not sure ifhe got into Harvards b/c he is smart or b/c of afirmative action.

    Twit probably has no idea hubby is married to a black woman and has a child.

    Hmmm... maybe he got in because he worked hard in HS and had a good community service record. Gee, maybe they decided to let him stay because he made good grades while in Harvard...hmmmm...dunno. Seesh.
  • PoodleheadPoodlehead Posts: 6,959Registered Users
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    What the right-wing crazies are saying is that it's not the speech, it's the lesson plan (like teachers have to follow it?) that suggested that kids write about what they could do to inspire the President. When Bush I did the same thing, he had the kids write about their goals and send it to the president. So the Obama wording was changed to the same thing that Bush I used but that's still not the same. One of my local school districts isn't showing it all while the other is doing the permission slip thing.

    What I'd love a parent to explain to me is why a child hearing something with which you don't agree is bad thing? Seems to me it's a great teaching moment...you could say to the child that morning "make sure you listen carefully so we can talk about it this afternoon". I remember my dad hated Richard Nixon but listened to state of Union cause he said we had to keep up with him.

    Let's see the uproar the next time a President tries to do this.
    This is such a good point. It seems like people today are so concerned with shutting down the opposition that they don't even take the time to listen to they have to say. And heaven forbid there should ever be MERIT in the opposition's message!
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  • cakj99cakj99 Posts: 575Registered Users
    Poodlehead wrote: »
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    What the right-wing crazies are saying is that it's not the speech, it's the lesson plan (like teachers have to follow it?) that suggested that kids write about what they could do to inspire the President. When Bush I did the same thing, he had the kids write about their goals and send it to the president. So the Obama wording was changed to the same thing that Bush I used but that's still not the same. One of my local school districts isn't showing it all while the other is doing the permission slip thing.

    What I'd love a parent to explain to me is why a child hearing something with which you don't agree is bad thing? Seems to me it's a great teaching moment...you could say to the child that morning "make sure you listen carefully so we can talk about it this afternoon". I remember my dad hated Richard Nixon but listened to state of Union cause he said we had to keep up with him.

    Let's see the uproar the next time a President tries to do this.
    This is such a good point. It seems like people today are so concerned with shutting down the opposition that they don't even take the time to listen to they have to say. And heaven forbid there should ever be MERIT in the opposition's message!

    exactly. i just found out yesterday that reagan did something similar in 1988... and did in fact go off on a tangent about taxes to elementary school students. i was only 8 or 9 at the time, but i don't remember this speech at all.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020

    i honestly just don't get the visceral, melodramatic reactions to every thing obama does or says. i find it highly irrational -- not to mention it promotes no sort of discourse whatsoever. but i suppose that's the point...
  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    JLeighs wrote: »
    No thanks. He can save it. I don't want him, or Bush, or McCain, or Palin, or whoever filling my kid's head with typical-politician-agenda-driven horse manure. But, lucky me, I get to avoid all this kind of nonsense because my daughter is enrolled in a state-approved virtual highschool.

    Oh, and before anyone throws the race card at me again, I don't care what skin color today's politicians are. They're all the same. Corrupt, agenda-driven, and able to be bought. They don't give a rat's rear about me or mine. They care about only two things: power and money.



    Both of these statements are totally closed minded. They sound bitter and scared.

    Closed minded, bitter, and scared people tend to be ignorant - or for a more familiar term, racist.

    I can't help but think that someone who would be blantantly against our country's PRESIDENT speaking to the CHILDREN of this country is probably an uninformed, scared person.

    Knowledge is power. Even if you disagree with what the President says, at least take the time to learn something, and discuss your views with your children. That is the job of a parent, after all.


    I find it rather disgusting that so many people are arguing and opting out of this. The inability to accept your President and show your contempt to your children - who are watching and imitating your every move as a parent - is teaching them to be disrespectful, argumentative and closed minded.

    Frankly the people who are in such an uproar about this are in fact brainwashing their children more than said speech would.

    And mind you, our children are the future of our country. They are the ones who are going to be public officials, senate officials, judicial officials, they will be our armed forces, our teachers, -- do you (gy) think it's responsible to teach the future of our country to be disrespectful and unaccepting of our own President?

    W Bush used to shoot himself in the foot every time he got in front of a camera and opened his mouth. We had the village idiot as our President and not only did people at least respect the fact that he was our President (no matter how much they disagreed with him), they elected him into office for another 4 years.


    I have to admit, if it isn't the fact that our President is black, then what is it?

    You will say that it isn't "racism" because you feel you aren't being racist if you aren't burning crosses on his lawn and calling him a Negro - when in fact refusing to have your children listen to him speak because you feel that he will fill their head with 'unnecessary political propaganda' IS IN FACT RACISM. Ignorant, fearful, closed minded, racism.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    *LC* wrote: »
    i honestly just don't get the visceral, melodramatic reactions to every thing obama does or says. i find it highly irrational -- not to mention it promotes no sort of discourse whatsoever. but i suppose that's the point...

    It's racism, cloaked in other B.S.

    And, as someone said, it doesn't mean the people leading the way on this are all racists. But some of them don't mind exploiting other people's racism to achieve their ends. [Which, one could argue, actually makes them racist after all, if they care so little about racism that they are willing to use it as a tool.]

    They want to take every opportunity to prevent Obama from succeeding, even when his success would be fundamentally helpful and result in a politically neutral message being conveyed.

    The president, whatever political stripe, has for a long time served as a apolitical leader to children. The attempts to prevent Obama from filling that role are shameful.
  • CurleeDSTCurleeDST Posts: 467Registered Users
    Well then again, since when did graduating from Harvard become a bad thing? They tried to change the rules on that by calling him "elitist".

    Graduating from Harvard never was a bad thing until a BLACK MAN running for President had it on his resume.
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  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    Holy Crap people do you ever think of the other possibilities here? Maybe some people feel as parents it's their job to parent and not Obama's? I can teach my children how important their education is WITHOUT him or any other President doing so. It's also a waste of the day when teachers could be teaching math or science. We already have so many states riddle with horrible school systems. We need to focus ourselves on fixing those things. We don't need political fights amongst our children do we? Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with watching his state of the Union addresses in a history class and discussing it. I have no issues with that by why on earth to first graders. They don't understand and why on earth should they... this is my major issue with it. If Presidents before did this (as I was too young to remember) then I wouldn't have liked it either. I'm the parent it's my job get the government the hell out.
  • irociroc Posts: 7,890Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    sheep.
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  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    OK mature I get it no one can have a different point of view. So what if I want to be the one to teach my children the importance of education and not President Obama. More power to him if he wants to teach his own children and make them examples to follow for the rest of the children of this nation. But not my kids I will do that thank you very much. BTW I would consider myself a lion.
  • PoodleheadPoodlehead Posts: 6,959Registered Users
    OK mature I get it no one can have a different point of view. So what if I want to be the one to teach my children the importance of education and not President Obama. More power to him if he wants to teach his own children and make them examples to follow for the rest of the children of this nation. But not my kids I will do that thank you very much. BTW I would consider myself a lion.
    Uh, he's the flippin' President of the United States. He's meant to be a role model.
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  • curlygirlymecurlygirlyme Posts: 1,340Registered Users
    Poodlehead wrote: »
    OK mature I get it no one can have a different point of view. So what if I want to be the one to teach my children the importance of education and not President Obama. More power to him if he wants to teach his own children and make them examples to follow for the rest of the children of this nation. But not my kids I will do that thank you very much. BTW I would consider myself a lion.
    Uh, he's the flippin' President of the United States. He's meant to be a role model.

    There have been many Presidents I wouldn't want to be role models for my children. I would teach them to be respectful of the President. but not to model themselves on their choices and that is my right as a parent. If my kids disagree that's fine but again the government doesn't need to involved.

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