All this talk about beauty...What about the ugly people?

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  • love yourself firstlove yourself first Posts: 5,398Registered Users
    Yes, of course there are physically ugly people. Lots of them. And no, I don't believe the inside has anything to do with the outside. One can be kind, loving, generous, friendly and sweet and be ass ugly.

    agreed. now, someone like this may seem more attractive based on the inner traits (with a certain glow or appeal that people close to them see), but, physically? that doesn't change, even though perception might.
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  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    FreeCurls wrote:
    Let's flip the coin. Do you think there are truly ugly people out there

    Definitely.
    FreeCurls wrote:
    What makes a person ugly to you?

    Ugly behaviour...nasty teeth...bad/excessive make-up....arrogance
  • CGNYCCGNYC Posts: 4,938Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I have seen enough makeover shows to believe that anyone can be reasonably attractive with the right hair, makeup, and clothing. Grooming goes a long way.
  • ScarletScarlet Posts: 3,125Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    There are no ugly women, only lazy women.
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  • spiderlashes5000spiderlashes5000 Posts: 17,898Registered Users Curl Virtuoso
    Scarlet wrote:
    There are no ugly women, only lazy women.
    - Diana Vreeland

    ummmm...never mind :? :(

  • FreeCurlsFreeCurls Posts: 4,408Registered Users
    I"msorry but there are some ugly women out there...
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  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Don't forget the ugly babies!

    And kids and men too!
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  • MeghuneyMeghuney Posts: 4,263Registered Users
    I've learned that physical beauty is so subjective. What one person thinks is ugly is what another thinks is beautiful. I personally have no reason to go around calling people ugly when someone could very well think the same thing about me.
  • CGECGE Posts: 1,911Registered Users
    Meghuney wrote:
    I personally have no reason to go around calling people ugly when someone could very well think the same thing about me.

    NEVER!!!
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  • MeghuneyMeghuney Posts: 4,263Registered Users
    CGE wrote:
    Meghuney wrote:
    I personally have no reason to go around calling people ugly when someone could very well think the same thing about me.

    NEVER!!!

    You sweet, sweet woman. :D
  • BiancaBianca Posts: 2,492Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    SaKkeh wrote:
    Ugly behaviour...nasty teeth...bad/excessive make-up....arrogance

    I agree. Arrogance can totally change the way a person looks, IMO. When I pick up that someone is conceited or arrogant, I zoom in on their flaws and have a hard time seeing past that.

    At the same time, if a person is so/so but has a great personality, that makes them really attractive to me.
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,060 Administrator
    Bianca wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    Ugly behaviour...nasty teeth...bad/excessive make-up....arrogance

    I agree. Arrogance can totally change the way a person looks, IMO. When I pick up that someone is conceited or arrogant, I zoom in on their flaws and have a hard time seeing past that.

    At the same time, if a person is so/so but has a great personality, that makes them really attractive to me.

    Same here :D
  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    Bianca wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    Ugly behaviour...nasty teeth...bad/excessive make-up....arrogance

    I agree. Arrogance can totally change the way a person looks, IMO. When I pick up that someone is conceited or arrogant, I zoom in on their flaws and have a hard time seeing past that.

    At the same time, if a person is so/so but has a great personality, that makes them really attractive to me.

    Me too.
  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    On the physical note, I can see where a person can definitely look ugly. There are ugly-looking people out there, just as there are tall, short, slim, fat people. It doesn’t matter that someone might look at you and think the same thing, that’s besides the point. It just is. To look at someone and not find them attractive or good-looking, or simply very hard to look at isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, I think.

    I think things get “ugly” when you decide that someone is beautiful/ugly based on race, or treat such persons with disdain based on their looks. That said, a pleasing personality will win me over every time, ugly or not.
  • MeghuneyMeghuney Posts: 4,263Registered Users
    SaKkeh wrote:
    On the physical note, I can see where a person can definitely look ugly. There are ugly-looking people out there, just as there are tall, short, slim, fat people. It doesn’t matter that someone might look at you and think the same thing, that’s besides the point. It just is. To look at someone and not find them attractive or good-looking, or simply very hard to look at isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, I think.

    I think things get “ugly” when you decide that someone is beautiful/ugly based on race, or treat such persons with disdain based on their looks. That said, a pleasing personality will win me over every time, ugly or not.

    But that's my point. What defines UGLY? Just because YOU (generally speaking) think someone is ugly it makes them ugly?

    I think this is a very interesting subject.
  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    Meghuney wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    On the physical note, I can see where a person can definitely look ugly. There are ugly-looking people out there, just as there are tall, short, slim, fat people. It doesn’t matter that someone might look at you and think the same thing, that’s besides the point. It just is. To look at someone and not find them attractive or good-looking, or simply very hard to look at isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, I think.

    I think things get “ugly” when you decide that someone is beautiful/ugly based on race, or treat such persons with disdain based on their looks. That said, a pleasing personality will win me over every time, ugly or not.

    But that's my point. What defines UGLY? Just because YOU (generally speaking) think someone is ugly it makes them ugly?

    No Meg, it makes them ugly to YOU (general you)
    Yep, very interesting indeed.
  • MeghuneyMeghuney Posts: 4,263Registered Users
    SaKkeh wrote:
    Meghuney wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    On the physical note, I can see where a person can definitely look ugly. There are ugly-looking people out there, just as there are tall, short, slim, fat people. It doesn’t matter that someone might look at you and think the same thing, that’s besides the point. It just is. To look at someone and not find them attractive or good-looking, or simply very hard to look at isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, I think.

    I think things get “ugly” when you decide that someone is beautiful/ugly based on race, or treat such persons with disdain based on their looks. That said, a pleasing personality will win me over every time, ugly or not.

    But that's my point. What defines UGLY? Just because YOU (generally speaking) think someone is ugly it makes them ugly?

    No Meg, it makes them ugly to YOU (general you)
    Yep, very interesting indeed.

    Ugly is such an UGLY word.
  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    Meghuney wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    Meghuney wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    On the physical note, I can see where a person can definitely look ugly. There are ugly-looking people out there, just as there are tall, short, slim, fat people. It doesn’t matter that someone might look at you and think the same thing, that’s besides the point. It just is. To look at someone and not find them attractive or good-looking, or simply very hard to look at isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, I think.

    I think things get “ugly” when you decide that someone is beautiful/ugly based on race, or treat such persons with disdain based on their looks. That said, a pleasing personality will win me over every time, ugly or not.

    But that's my point. What defines UGLY? Just because YOU (generally speaking) think someone is ugly it makes them ugly?

    No Meg, it makes them ugly to YOU (general you)
    Yep, very interesting indeed.

    Ugly is such an UGLY word.

    True, and I think that’s why we have a problem with it. If we can say beautiful, we should be able to say ugly too. I understand your unease.
  • BiancaBianca Posts: 2,492Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Meghuney wrote:
    SaKkeh wrote:
    On the physical note, I can see where a person can definitely look ugly. There are ugly-looking people out there, just as there are tall, short, slim, fat people. It doesn’t matter that someone might look at you and think the same thing, that’s besides the point. It just is. To look at someone and not find them attractive or good-looking, or simply very hard to look at isn’t in and of itself a bad thing, I think.

    I think things get “ugly” when you decide that someone is beautiful/ugly based on race, or treat such persons with disdain based on their looks. That said, a pleasing personality will win me over every time, ugly or not.

    But that's my point. What defines UGLY? Just because YOU (generally speaking) think someone is ugly it makes them ugly?

    I think this is a very interesting subject.

    I think it's interesting also. I think it's one of those "If a tree falls and nobody's around to hear..." type things. It all depends on what you consider reality.

    I think beauty and ugly exist because we can recognize (sp?) it. I think the fact that I (or anyone else) can look at something and think "Ugly" says that it exist. We wouldn't know ugly when we saw it if it wasn't real. And I think the fact that you can't be taught what ugly is (because it's relative) but we can see it anyway shows that it's natural to find things unappealing.

    And ugly is an ugly word and I can't believe I'm using so much brain power to analyze it. But it's very interesting to think about.
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  • FreeCurlsFreeCurls Posts: 4,408Registered Users
    Here are two celebrity examples.

    1) Sarah Jessica Parker. I used to think she was pretty darn unattractive. I hesitate to say the word ugly because I really just thought she looked very equine. She as done something though, I can't place my thumb on it, that has made her much better looking lately.

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    2) Prince Charles. I think he's very unattractive as well. In my mind as I type this I'm saying "I think he's ugly" but I can't make myself just come out and type the word.

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  • Aphro-DeeziacAphro-Deeziac Posts: 983Registered Users
    ill do it for you......prince charles is ugly
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  • FreeCurlsFreeCurls Posts: 4,408Registered Users
    ok fine. he's ugly but I did find pictures of him where he looked better. Ugly CAN clean up. :D
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  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    Bianca wrote:
    We wouldn't know ugly when we saw it if it wasn't real.

    A part of my point exactly. If beauty exists, then it stands to reason that ugly does too. Everything has an opposite.
  • j'adorej'adore Posts: 1,966Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    SJP is a good example...many people think she's ugly, and its interesting to note that I've only heard women say that. Every man I"ve asked thinks shes very attractive. Yes, she has the nose and the horse face, but the girls got killer eyes, hair, and body. If a man finds that many things that he likes, its all good. :lol:

    I think SJP is a very attractive woman (too many people think I look like her, I have to think that).

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  • outtahereouttahere Posts: 343Registered Users
    I was friends with this girl in middle school that everyone considered to be ugly. I just couldn't see it, though. She wasn't attractive, but not ugly, either IMO. She was ostracized by almost everyone though, just based on her looks. We became best friends because we were both active in church stuff and went to the same school. She was a great person, the type that would do anything for a friend. Other girls would pull me aside and say things like, "WHY are you hanging out with her?" "You're too pretty to be her friend." I was shocked by this. I couldn't and still can't understand why they said these things, but I eventually cut off my friendship with this girl. I feel bad to this day for giving into peer pressure and losing my friend over something like looks.

    I hate to use the word "ugly" because it's so harsh, but there are people I've known who I thought were really unattractive (purely looks-based - not getting into souls and inner beauty). My meter must not be the same as everyone else's, or different places must put different priorities on looks because I knew a girl in high school who was so popular, friends with everyone, but she was just so unattractive, IMO. A few people did make fun of her behind her back, but everyone loved her and didn't hold her looks against her like in the first case I brought up. Not since high school have I looked at a person and thought " really unnattractive." I'm sure there are some out there, but it's so subjective. What I may think doesn't mean it's so. Maybe I have run across many but instinctively don't label them because I know what it's like to be judged on external things like glasses, braces, hairstyle. Yes, these things can be changed, but a person's looks also change over time - it's all related and it's all a little silly, IMO.
  • MeghuneyMeghuney Posts: 4,263Registered Users
    Kenzie_06 wrote:
    I was friends with this girl in middle school that everyone considered to be ugly. I just couldn't see it, though. She wasn't attractive, but not ugly, either IMO. She was ostracized by almost everyone though, just based on her looks. We became best friends because we were both active in church stuff and went to the same school. She was a great person, the type that would do anything for a friend. Other girls would pull me aside and say things like, "WHY are you hanging out with her?" "You're too pretty to be her friend." I was shocked by this. I couldn't and still can't understand why they said these things, but I eventually cut off my friendship with this girl. I feel bad to this day for giving into peer pressure and losing my friend over something like looks.

    I hate to use the word "ugly" because it's so harsh, but there are people I've known who I thought were really unattractive (purely looks-based - not getting into souls and inner beauty). My meter must not be the same as everyone else's, or different places must put different priorities on looks because I knew a girl in high school who was so popular, friends with everyone, but she was just so unattractive, IMO. A few people did make fun of her behind her back, but everyone loved her and didn't hold her looks against her like in the first case I brought up. Not since high school have I looked at a person and thought " really unnattractive." I'm sure there are some out there, but it's so subjective. What I may think doesn't mean it's so. Maybe I have run across many but instinctively don't label them because I know what it's like to be judged on external things like glasses, braces, hairstyle. Yes, these things can be changed, but a person's looks also change over time - it's all related and it's all a little silly, IMO.

    Great post, Kenzie and I feel the same way. I remember when I was laughed at and called ugly when I was bigger. Once I lost the weight, you could swear I was a TOTALLY different person. :roll: Hot stuff on campus then but just a few months before, I was ugly.

    And I think that makes me think the way I do when I see people who are unattractive. Automatically I look for good things, like "Oh, she's got great eyes, lips, etc.".
  • st. louis bluest. louis blue Posts: 404Registered Users
    Ah, middle school is such a special, horrible time. I was considered extremely unattractive in middle school, and the butt of much cruelty. Thank God for maturity.

    As for the original post, I don't think there is anyone who cannot exploit their looks to an advantage. And I'm not talking about masking one's flaws either, I can find aesthetic pleasure in faces and bodies which deliberately command my attention even if they are not tradtionally attractive. I believe in working it!
  • outtahereouttahere Posts: 343Registered Users
    Great post, Kenzie and I feel the same way. I remember when I was laughed at and called ugly when I was bigger. Once I lost the weight, you could swear I was a TOTALLY different person. Hot stuff on campus then but just a few months before, I was ugly.

    I know how you feel. When I started high school in a new school district, I remember this group of boys making fun of me because I had a rapid pallate expander which created a gap in b/w my front teeth, and because my hair started growing in really curly and I couldn't manage it. When the expander came out and my hair settled down, it was like night and day. They also found out around that time that I was part of a family that is sort of a legend in the school (not bragging cause I really don't understand the big to-do), so I think that helped. Just silliness, IMO. The degree of shallowness in some people is just amazing.
  • SaKkehSaKkeh Posts: 986Registered Users
    Meghuney wrote:
    Kenzie_06 wrote:
    I was friends with this girl in middle school that everyone considered to be ugly. I just couldn't see it, though. She wasn't attractive, but not ugly, either IMO. She was ostracized by almost everyone though, just based on her looks. We became best friends because we were both active in church stuff and went to the same school. She was a great person, the type that would do anything for a friend. Other girls would pull me aside and say things like, "WHY are you hanging out with her?" "You're too pretty to be her friend." I was shocked by this. I couldn't and still can't understand why they said these things, but I eventually cut off my friendship with this girl. I feel bad to this day for giving into peer pressure and losing my friend over something like looks.

    I hate to use the word "ugly" because it's so harsh, but there are people I've known who I thought were really unattractive (purely looks-based - not getting into souls and inner beauty). My meter must not be the same as everyone else's, or different places must put different priorities on looks because I knew a girl in high school who was so popular, friends with everyone, but she was just so unattractive, IMO. A few people did make fun of her behind her back, but everyone loved her and didn't hold her looks against her like in the first case I brought up. Not since high school have I looked at a person and thought " really unnattractive." I'm sure there are some out there, but it's so subjective. What I may think doesn't mean it's so. Maybe I have run across many but instinctively don't label them because I know what it's like to be judged on external things like glasses, braces, hairstyle. Yes, these things can be changed, but a person's looks also change over time - it's all related and it's all a little silly, IMO.

    Great post, Kenzie and I feel the same way. I remember when I was laughed at and called ugly when I was bigger. Once I lost the weight, you could swear I was a TOTALLY different person. :roll: Hot stuff on campus then but just a few months before, I was ugly.

    And I think that makes me think the way I do when I see people who are unattractive. Automatically I look for good things, like "Oh, she's got great eyes, lips, etc.".

    But what I want to ask you Meg, putting aside the fact that the word ugly is ugly....can you agree that ugly must exist if beauty does? ...the same way you can think or say someone is beautiful, surely, it cant be such a great sin if there are people you also think are the opposite of beautiful? We can even look at it subjectively, but the fact is, there ARE people in this world who everyone of us will think arent pleasing to look at, the same way there are people we would look at all day.

    BTW, I'm not saying anyone should walk around calling people ugly or treating anyone badly because they THINK they are ugly.
  • velvet pawsvelvet paws Posts: 1,250Registered Users
    j'adore wrote:
    SJP is a good example...many people think she's ugly, and its interesting to note that I've only heard women say that. Every man I"ve asked thinks shes very attractive. Yes, she has the nose and the horse face, but the girls got killer eyes, hair, and body. If a man finds that many things that he likes, its all good. :lol:

    I think SJP is a very attractive woman (too many people think I look like her, I have to think that).

    :wink:

    That's funny - I've had the opposite experience where most men that have mentioned her to me have said very unflattering things (ranging from "horse face" to "she looks like Rocky Dennis from the movie Mask") and most women have said flattering things about her.

    I don't think she's got the most attractive face in the world but she does pretty well with what she's got -- her clothes, body, hair and makeup are always outstanding. She's got an incredible sense of style and wicked nice hair. She's actually my hair idol.
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