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stearalkonium chloride

Hi everyone--I'm hoping some of you lovelies can help me out with this one.

I've been strictly CG for about 9 weeks now (I know, still new, haha). I really love the way that my normally coarse, tangly hair is soft, and much of my hair is starting to curl more. But I'm still trying to figure out products and whatnot. Here's my saga so far:

First my hair went limp, and when I researched my conditioners, I found that one of them was full of protein. Cutting that out, my hair was back to normal and getting curlier. But now the past few days have been blah. My hair's limp and soft. At first I thought it was overconditioned (which might still be the case, not sure), but now after searching through the boards here, I might think it's the stearalkonium chloride (yes, i copied and pasted that) in both my Vo5 conditioners. Now I love the smell and, better yet, I love the inexpensiveness of the Vo5s, but if my hair is just going to keep going limp like this, I don't think I can use it. Can anyone tell me a good cheap conditioner that doesn't have any stearalkonium chloride in it? I did a quick check through some of the vo5s and suaves ingredients lists, but I couldn't find any without that ingredient in it (unless i'm just not looking hard enough).

Just as a note, I'm going to pick up GVP Conditioning Balm from Sally's later on (I figure it's time to start experimenting with non-drugstore brands, hah), and the GVPCB doesn't have any stearalkonium chloride...but does that mean all of the cheaper conditioners do have that ingredient in it?

Sorry for the long post--I'm an English major, so it's habit to write a ton. :oops:
CG since 5/24/09 (still trying to figure everything out :help:)

coarse 3a/2a/2b (and everything in between) with high porosity

Currently using:
CO-Wash/Rinse-out/Leave-in: Vo5 Free Me Freesia
Gel: HESMU

Starting to experiment...

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  • HedyHedy Posts: 173Registered Users
    Suave green apple
    L'oreal nutigloss for wavy hair
    sally beauty's detangler
    trader joe's conditioners
    So..um...I kinda fell off the CG wagon. I got sick of long curly hair about 6 months ago. I currently have a short a-line, which I flat iron, although I also wear it wavy sometimes. I still use sulfate-free poos (I'm madly in love with the Bodyshop's rainforest moisture) and silicone free conditioners.
    Want to get money back on your Drugstore.com, Walgreen and Sally Beauty purchases? Check out Sunshine Rewards!
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    My hair does not like that ingredient either. I can use a conditioner as a cowash with it in it but not as a rinse out.

    I am pretty sure the Sauve Coconut condish does not have that ingredient nor the Wild Cherry. But those have Cetrimonium Chloride which sometimes my hair does not like either. But again, I am ok using them as a cowash just not as a rinse out.
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • xcurlyxbellaxxcurlyxbellax Posts: 8Registered Users
    Thank you so much for the ideas...I'll definitely try to find those at the store!
    CG since 5/24/09 (still trying to figure everything out :help:)

    coarse 3a/2a/2b (and everything in between) with high porosity

    Currently using:
    CO-Wash/Rinse-out/Leave-in: Vo5 Free Me Freesia
    Gel: HESMU

    Starting to experiment...
  • CeallachgCeallachg Posts: 60Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    xcptnl wrote: »
    My hair does not like that ingredient either. I can use a conditioner as a cowash with it in it but not as a rinse out.

    I am pretty sure the Sauve Coconut condish does not have that ingredient nor the Wild Cherry. But those have Cetrimonium Chloride which sometimes my hair does not like either. But again, I am ok using them as a cowash just not as a rinse out.

    Suave conditioners including the coconut all have three different kinds of chlorides in them (cetrimonium chloride, potassium chloride and distearyldimonium chloride), and my hair became limp and stringy with them, too. I stopped using them altogether, but maybe I'll start using them only for co-washing again, if it works for you. They're too cheap not to try!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]2b/2c, fine, thick, normal porosity/elasticity

    Current routine: co-wash & detangle with AIA Coconut CoWash then RO. Experimenting w/AG re:coil, DCVF & All-Nutrient Hair Proteinizer.
    Love: AO GPB, KCCC, PBH Gelatine Goo, ANHP, CNPF
    Like: GDL, FSG, honey, HETT, JCNS, DCVF
    Hate: glycerin, mineral oil
  • mpgirlmpgirl Posts: 1,163Registered Users
    Hi everyone--I'm hoping some of you lovelies can help me out with this one.

    I've been strictly CG for about 9 weeks now (I know, still new, haha). I really love the way that my normally coarse, tangly hair is soft, and much of my hair is starting to curl more. But I'm still trying to figure out products and whatnot. Here's my saga so far:

    First my hair went limp, and when I researched my conditioners, I found that one of them was full of protein. Cutting that out, my hair was back to normal and getting curlier. But now the past few days have been blah. My hair's limp and soft. At first I thought it was overconditioned (which might still be the case, not sure), but now after searching through the boards here, I might think it's the stearalkonium chloride (yes, i copied and pasted that) in both my Vo5 conditioners. Now I love the smell and, better yet, I love the inexpensiveness of the Vo5s, but if my hair is just going to keep going limp like this, I don't think I can use it. Can anyone tell me a good cheap conditioner that doesn't have any stearalkonium chloride in it? I did a quick check through some of the vo5s and suaves ingredients lists, but I couldn't find any without that ingredient in it (unless i'm just not looking hard enough).

    Just as a note, I'm going to pick up GVP Conditioning Balm from Sally's later on (I figure it's time to start experimenting with non-drugstore brands, hah), and the GVPCB doesn't have any stearalkonium chloride...but does that mean all of the cheaper conditioners do have that ingredient in it?

    Sorry for the long post--I'm an English major, so it's habit to write a ton. :oops:

    Stearalkonium chloride is used in many conditioners, cheap or not, for it's anti-static, surfactant and antimicrobial properties.

    Why would your hair go limp from protein? Protein sensitivities usually make your hair immediately straw-like, hard and brittle, not limp. If you think you have a coarse texture, there is usually no doubt when you react to proteins. Limp hair is a symptom of over conditioning and or lack of protein.
    3b spirals, fine texture, normal porosity, dense
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    Deva Low Poo
    Suave Naturals Coconut for detangling
    Renpure Organics conditioner/leave-in
    Homemade FSG
    KCCC
    Curl Junkie Stuff
    BRHG


    Nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect. -wabi-sabi

  • xcurlyxbellaxxcurlyxbellax Posts: 8Registered Users
    Why would your hair go limp from protein? Protein sensitivities usually make your hair immediately straw-like, hard and brittle, not limp. If you think you have a coarse texture, there is usually no doubt when you react to proteins. Limp hair is a symptom of over conditioning and or lack of protein.

    Oh my goodness, I'm so confused and I have definite information overload...So maybe I don't have to worry about protein, then? All I remember happening is that I had absolutely no curl, and I think I just figured that since a lot of the coarse textures on here had protein sensitivity, so did I.
    CG since 5/24/09 (still trying to figure everything out :help:)

    coarse 3a/2a/2b (and everything in between) with high porosity

    Currently using:
    CO-Wash/Rinse-out/Leave-in: Vo5 Free Me Freesia
    Gel: HESMU

    Starting to experiment...
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    mpgirl wrote: »
    Hi everyone--I'm hoping some of you lovelies can help me out with this one.

    I've been strictly CG for about 9 weeks now (I know, still new, haha). I really love the way that my normally coarse, tangly hair is soft, and much of my hair is starting to curl more. But I'm still trying to figure out products and whatnot. Here's my saga so far:

    First my hair went limp, and when I researched my conditioners, I found that one of them was full of protein. Cutting that out, my hair was back to normal and getting curlier. But now the past few days have been blah. My hair's limp and soft. At first I thought it was overconditioned (which might still be the case, not sure), but now after searching through the boards here, I might think it's the stearalkonium chloride (yes, i copied and pasted that) in both my Vo5 conditioners. Now I love the smell and, better yet, I love the inexpensiveness of the Vo5s, but if my hair is just going to keep going limp like this, I don't think I can use it. Can anyone tell me a good cheap conditioner that doesn't have any stearalkonium chloride in it? I did a quick check through some of the vo5s and suaves ingredients lists, but I couldn't find any without that ingredient in it (unless i'm just not looking hard enough).

    Just as a note, I'm going to pick up GVP Conditioning Balm from Sally's later on (I figure it's time to start experimenting with non-drugstore brands, hah), and the GVPCB doesn't have any stearalkonium chloride...but does that mean all of the cheaper conditioners do have that ingredient in it?

    Sorry for the long post--I'm an English major, so it's habit to write a ton. :oops:

    Stearalkonium chloride is used in many conditioners, cheap or not, for it's anti-static, surfactant and antimicrobial properties.

    Why would your hair go limp from protein? Protein sensitivities usually make your hair immediately straw-like, hard and brittle, not limp. If you think you have a coarse texture, there is usually no doubt when you react to proteins. Limp hair is a symptom of over conditioning and or lack of protein.

    Also for me that ingredient (if used as a rinse out) can make me limp and lank.
    Central Massachusetts

    One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

    In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
  • MagooMagoo Posts: 2,173Registered Users
    My hair gets poofy with that ingredient. I can't even use it as a cowash. I get the same reaction with cetrimonium chloride which is also in a lot of the less expensive conditioners. Just a warning that GVP conditioning balm has cet. chloride in it so you may want to keep an eye out for the same reaction.
    3b/c fine, thick, porous, protein sensitive
    Modified CG, CJ Rehab, JCWDT, KCKT, VO5 Chamomile Tea Therapy, CJDF, HEBE Gel/Mousse, Bioinfusion Rosemary Mint shampoo, occasional protein

    Experimenting with BRHG

    "If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain"
  • LexLionessLexLioness Posts: 70Registered Users
    I use Suave coconut as a co-wash, and that has Cetrimonium Chloride in it. I can't say I've ever had a problem with it, but it also doesn't stay in my hair very long.
    When I used to also use it as a leave-in, it didn't do a whole lot for my hair - it was pretty frizzy as first day hair and super dry by day 2. I've switched to Giovanni smooth as silk for my leave in, with some FSG on top (how much I use of each depends on the weather). The results are much better that way, and at $7-8 a 8.5oz bottle, I think it's worth it - I've seen conditioners at my store that are up to $18! Yikes...
    type 3a/b, baby fine to medium, normal to high porosity except the canopy which is high.
    -
    recently chopped off about 4" - HOW LIBERATING!!! Learning to love my hair again instead of hating it for being a knotty mess.

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