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Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link

rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
OK, so at the request of one of my fave Curlys, I am posting this method. FYI: I have very, very thick, 3a (b in spots) med porosity, medium texture hair.

Anyhooooo. I have ALOT of hair; I have always found that when I scrunch product in, while it does promote curl formation, it also breaks them up, resulting in massive volume, with thinner separated curls. Last summer I had success with the Denman as far as creating clumps, but they were generally "pulled out" clumps, due to the brushing. I wanted both my coils AND my clumps - I have found that with this method I can have both! And with pretty much any product combos that are "good" for my hair.


I suggest reading this thru before viewing the vid....
OK, here goes:
-Basically, I do my thing in the shower (CO wash, rinse out condish).

-Next I rake thru my leave in (if I am using one) and/or then my curl cream(if using) (I refer to these as "base coats").

-This next step can be done either while still in the shower or out, standing by the sink. The sink method is messier, but I get better covergae and thus better clumps, the shower can be done but you have to make sure you REALLY fill those palms with water....)

I step out of the shower and to the sink; I brush my base coats thru my hair thoroughly with the Denman: first the nape, then the back of my head (some sectioning/lifting is required due to my volume), then the temples and crown.

Always brush (wether with this method or otherwise) with CAUTION: Use products with slip, good quality brushes and combs and if you hit a knot/snarl DO NOT PULL. This is even more important for those who may be more prone to breakage (those with fine/dry/damaged hair etc)

-Next I use the Denman to "place" my hair (ie: Left Part, Right Part, etc.)

-Next (this is important) I do a final brushing of the crown OUT AND AWAY FROM MY SCALP. This is CRUCIAL to avoid the dreaded Flat-Top.

-Last step (this is where the clumps come in), I lean over the sink to one side, cup my hands under running water, and gently scrunch palmfuls of water into my hair. Repeat to the other side (those with bangs/shorter crown layers get those too!). Don't scrunch firm and tight like your creating curls, but slowly and softly to really soak the hair.

At this point my hair is more soaked than it would normally be when I step out of the shower, so its kinda drippy. I scrunch in my gel of choice and plop (I guess you could towel scrunch instead). I don't plop long (5 - 10 minutes), but that's just me. Then I either air-dry for a few and then diffuse or diffuse straight away.

I find that the base coat I use affects my success. (Please remember that I have ALOT of hair and can afford to uber-clump; this might overly clump those looking for volume.)

The best base coats for me are those that provide light emollience. I have tried NO basecoat, I have tried heavy (ie butters), I have tried my gel as a base coat. While my hair WILL initially clump upon soaking with those, these clumps break up by or before drying, resulting in frizz of stringy/broken up curls. My greatest success has come with basecoats that are creamy yet light (think CJSG or CJCCC).

For those who find their hair gets so wet that it increases drying time: I have played with a double plop with great success. I saturated my hair excessively (after CJCCC) and then went into a plop without scrunching in gel (thereby not squeezing out a DOT of water). I plopped for 5 minutes then came out, got a dry Curlease and went into a plop again. Plopped for another 5 then came out; my hair was no worse for the wear and much drier. My next trial will be applying a gel between plops.

I have found that certain areas of my hair (the underside) that have always tended to clump on their own can get overly clumpy with this method. I avoid this by gently running my hands thru those few areas before I diffuse (while still wet!). But the best part is that I am getting consistent canopy clumps which I have never had before!

My kids call this the "Super Soaker" because they are dying for me to let them do it to my hair with their water guns:laughing6: Not happening....

I hope this was semi-clear. And I hope this helps someone!

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  • wavy wonderwavy wonder Posts: 3,061Registered Users
    very cool. Will definitley have to try it!
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    Let me know how it works for you please:)
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  • onethousandcurlsonethousandcurls Posts: 1,118Registered Users
    RUDEE!! Thank you! I am constantly in search of anything and everything that will deliver clumps. If this works...I'll post a thread devoted to my gratitude to you.

    P.S. Do you still have the bangs in your avi? Just wondering.
    3b/c, CG 9/18/08
    Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
    Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    RUDEE!! Thank you! I am constantly in search of anything and everything that will deliver clumps. If this works...I'll post a thread devoted to my gratitude to you.

    P.S. Do you still have the bangs in your avi? Just wondering.

    LOL - please do let me know how it worls for you. Play with the variables as per your hair.

    And yes, forever the bangs:happy3:
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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    LOL!!! I knew OTC would be all over this thread!! rudee, I did a variation of this using the denman for my conditioning/co wash only. I'm always hesitant to comb, rake too much or brush in stylers. My hair was bigger once it dried and the underneath lost a lot of definition :?

    So I'm thinking if you want lots of body go for it, or if you have a nice strong curl pattern like rudee evolved on her head overnight :p go for it. I swear I can't do anything but scrunch...picky picky PITA hair I have:confused5: I'm glad you started this thread though, this could help a lot of those seeking more clumps!! Maybe I'll try adding water and scrunching after product app? I notice when I take down my initial plop it's when I have the best clumping and then as I add product I start to lose it more and more.
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    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • astromomastromom Posts: 36Registered Users
    Which denman do you have?
    CG since July 2009

    fine texture, medium porosity, high density

    cowash: Curl Junkie (CJ) Cleansing Conditioner
    DT: CJ Curl Rehab / PT: CJ Repair Me
    rinse out: Aubrey Organics GPB, CJ Argan & Olive Oil Conditioner or CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner
    leave in: CJ CCCC Lite + CJ Curl Fix Intense Hair Treatment
    stylers: CJ Aloe Fix Gel Lite then CJ Curl Queen Gel OR Queen Helene Royal Curl Curl Shaping Creme, then Curls in a Botttle

  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    This shall forevermore be known as "THE RUDEE CLUMPER"! At least that's what I'm calling it. :laughing6:

    I tried it this morning and I have fabulous clumps BUT I think from now on I will practice this method while still in the shower. I get just about the same results working with soaking wet hair while still in the shower and I don't have to mop up the bathroom after I get through throwing palmfuls of water around. Plus, I'm able to get more water into the back of my hair. I sure have some happy, clumpy hair this morning! :love4:

    ETA: I am going to experiment with this method using the sink to see if it might give me any success with 2nd day hair.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I tried this today and had to get back in the shower and get my head wet again, lol.

    It just made me all tangly. For whatever reason, I just need to do this all upside down.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    LOL!!! I knew OTC would be all over this thread!! rudee, I did a variation of this using the denman for my conditioning/co wash only. I'm always hesitant to comb, rake too much or brush in stylers. My hair was bigger once it dried and the underneath lost a lot of definition :?

    So I'm thinking if you want lots of body go for it, or if you have a nice strong curl pattern like rudee evolved on her head overnight :p go for it. I swear I can't do anything but scrunch...picky picky PITA hair I have:confused5: I'm glad you started this thread though, this could help a lot of those seeking more clumps!! Maybe I'll try adding water and scrunching after product app? I notice when I take down my initial plop it's when I have the best clumping and then as I add product I start to lose it more and more.

    Del, Just want to be clear: If you brush thru your base coat(s), THEN soak and AT THE SINK WHILE ITS DRIPPY AND CLUMPY PUT IN GEL then plop, would your curls still pull out?

    And fyi - it took a over a year not a night to grow these suckers!:sign5:
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  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    astromom wrote: »
    Which denman do you have?
    That basic old school denman - someone help me out with a thumbnail here pls.
    msgiblet wrote: »
    This shall forevermore be known as "THE RUDEE CLUMPER"! At least that's what I'm calling it. :laughing6:

    I tried it this morning and I have fabulous clumps BUT I think from now on I will practice this method while still in the shower. I get just about the same results working with soaking wet hair while still in the shower and I don't have to mop up the bathroom after I get through throwing palmfuls of water around. Plus, I'm able to get more water into the back of my hair. I sure have some happy, clumpy hair this morning! :love4:

    ETA: I am going to experiment with this method using the sink to see if it might give me any success with 2nd day hair.
    I tried doing it in the shower and it works decently clump wise. The catch for me is that I need to see my hair when I am doing the soaking and the final brushing/placement step (if I miss soaking a spot it will not clump like the rest of the head and remember I need that cause I have lots of layers!) I can get better palmfuls of water from the sink than the shower to really soak it.
    I tried this today and had to get back in the shower and get my head wet again, lol.

    It just made me all tangly. For whatever reason, I just need to do this all upside down.

    Gee thats odd - tangly?? Is your hair prone to tangles?
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  • CantFightCurlsCantFightCurls Posts: 88Registered Users
    I really need clumps.... but does this work for short hair?
    ~Meena :happy10:

    I cant fight my curls
    I cant control my curls
    I really just let them roll free
    What else can i do? :dontknow:

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    ~I'm have a love affair with the Ojon Line and faithfully use Garnier Fructis Spray Gel.
    ~I love all my kinks, coils, and curls even when I wanna rip them out! :cwm21:
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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    I think rudee should post a video :director: if enough of us ask she just may do it :happy3:
    Discovered CG 2007

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    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    I really need clumps.... but does this work for short hair?

    I dont know, but I do know that it works like magic on my shortest layers (some on the crown are just 3-4 inches).
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  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I have thinnish hair. What variation of this technque should I try?
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
    Every day is a gift :flower:
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I tried this today and had to get back in the shower and get my head wet again, lol.

    It just made me all tangly. For whatever reason, I just need to do this all upside down.

    ditto. I think all this brushing doesn't play well with most 3B hair.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    I think rudee should post a video :director: if enough of us ask she just may do it :happy3:

    Excellent idea, DEL! :thumright:
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  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    curlypearl wrote: »
    I have thinnish hair. What variation of this technque should I try?
    Gee, I dont know - I just invented this 2 weeks ago... If I had thinnish hair I dont know if I would want clumps.... I think I ight look for maximum volume as I described in my "before" hair
    I tried this today and had to get back in the shower and get my head wet again, lol.

    It just made me all tangly. For whatever reason, I just need to do this all upside down.

    ditto. I think all this brushing doesn't play well with most 3B hair.

    I dunno... these days my hair is very 3b-ish. It is, however, medium in texture and porosity and not tangle prone.

    Can you gals describe what you did?
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  • CzechfanCzechfan Posts: 50Registered Users
    Hi,

    I'm curious I see alot of people on this forum are using BRHG, what is that? I'd like to know. I've tried some of the less expensive products recommended on this site and its been extremely helpful. I'm having consistant good hair days now, thanks to you all.

    Hugs!
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    Co-Wash: Suave Naturals & White Rain Conditioners,VO5 Moisture Milks, Burts Bees Super Shiny Grapefruit and Sugar Beet Shampoo

    RO= GVPCB,Lustrasilk Shea Butter Cholestrol& Mango conditioner
    LI= Herbal Essence Hello Hydration,VO5 Moisture Milks.
    DT= JC WDT, GVP KPAK

    Styling: FSG,,Ecostyler Krystal Gel, LALSG,:love4:&:love4:AfroVeda Curly Custard, Cocolatte Moisture Mask, Pur Whipped Gelly
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    Czechfan- BRHG Biosilk Rock Hard Gellee. Not as intimidating as it sounds. Its a standard HG for all hair types, especially those who need extra hold or want hard hold.

    IMO its GREAT in humidity.
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  • IamDonnaIamDonna Posts: 546Registered Users
    :thumright:Rudee, I will have to give this a try. It seems scrunching also breaks up the clumps for me too.
    Your hair is a lot like mine. When I had a shorter haircut it was very similar to yours volume curls bangs and all.
    Now the weight pulls some of the curls down from the top making it a little flatter. Will this work without using the brush?? Had a bad PJ attack and have no xtra $$ but am very anxious to try this I think it will do the trick. (How about a fine toothed comb?) icon5.gif
    Oh and when are you gonna do that video we are all waiting to see??
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  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    IamDonna wrote: »
    :thumright:Rudee, I will have to give this a try. It seems scrunching also breaks up the clumps for me too.
    Your hair is a lot like mine. When I had a shorter haircut it was very similar to yours volume curls bangs and all.
    Now the weight pulls some of the curls down from the top making it a little flatter. Will this work without using the brush?? Had a bad PJ attack and have no xtra $$ but am very anxious to try this I think it will do the trick. (How about a fine toothed comb?) icon5.gif
    Oh and when are you gonna do that video we are all waiting to see??

    Donna, Conair makes a rip off of the Denman brush thats just a few bucks. And now that you mention it, before I started with the Denman last year I was using a fine toothed comb, but make sure its fine toothed.

    Re yer flat top issue: you know its cause your hair is so long and without layers. Have you tried drying upside down or to the sides? (I can't cause it gives me too much volume.) But in terms of this routine, the "brush out and away from the scalp" step is crucial for you.

    Have you tried clipping for root lift? And (last question) any pics from when your hair was shorter like mine? I'm uber curious now:mrgreen:

    As for a video.... I'm considering it :laughing6:
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  • onethousandcurlsonethousandcurls Posts: 1,118Registered Users
    Well, I tried it with a fine tooth comb. Yucky yucky. Not to mention ouchy ouchy. And tedious. I'll wait to try again when I have an actual Denman brush.

    And Del...you know my clump obsession. I'll take everyone's pet peeves - frizz, too much volume, flat top, etc. - but I will not tolerate skinny curls.

    Make a video. Please!!!!
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    Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
  • curlyvintagegirlycurlyvintagegirly Posts: 2Registered Users
    Rudee....I tried your method and decided to do all of it in the shower because I would have just made a huge mess in front of the sink. I was so focused on getting the 'final brushing of the crown OUT AND AWAY FROM MY SCALP' that I forgot to take care of my part and now I look like Elvis LOL!:laughing6: I now understand the reasion for standing at the sink and front of the mirror!
    I am getting some major clumping on my longest layer which is BSL but before I do this again, I think I'll wait for the video!!!! icon12.gif
  • rudeechickrudeechick Posts: 6,726Registered Users
    Rudee....I tried your method and decided to do all of it in the shower because I would have just made a huge mess in front of the sink. I was so focused on getting the 'final brushing of the crown OUT AND AWAY FROM MY SCALP' that I forgot to take care of my part and now I look like Elvis LOL!:laughing6: I now understand the reasion for standing at the sink and front of the mirror!
    I am getting some major clumping on my longest layer which is BSL but before I do this again, I think I'll wait for the video!!!! icon12.gif

    Lol. That is the exact reason! Geez, do you guys really want me to try to video this??:oops:
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  • solidgoldsolidgold Posts: 1,485Registered Users
    Yes!! Yay!
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  • IamDonnaIamDonna Posts: 546Registered Users
    Well, I tried it with a fine tooth comb. Yucky yucky. Not to mention ouchy ouchy. And tedious. I'll wait to try again when I have an actual Denman brush.

    And Del...you know my clump obsession. I'll take everyone's pet peeves - frizz, too much volume, flat top, etc. - but I will not tolerate skinny curls.

    Make a video. Please!!!!

    I guess I"ll have to get my *ss up to Wal-Mart and pick up that brush!! If I can get this to work for me it will be a major improvement!!
    I'll let ya know what happens.
    Rudee will look 4 some pics of my hair shorter.
    Be waiting on that video!!:wav:
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  • NativeCurlsNativeCurls Posts: 7Registered Users
    I am new (this is my first post), and I LOVE the super-soaker method!! Gives my 3b/3c hair great clumps.
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    RO: GVP Conditioning Balm, GR Triple Nutrition
    LI: GVP Paul Mitchell The Conditioner
    Gel: LALSG, Eco Styler Krystal Gel

    Want to try: Lustrasilk and LALSG

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  • IamDonnaIamDonna Posts: 546Registered Users
    I am new (this is my first post), and I LOVE the super-soaker method!! Give my 3b/3c hair great clumps.

    Great name for this method!!
    RUDEE'S SUPER-SOAKER METHOD!!
    Then coming sooooonnn!!!
    Rudee's Super-Soaker Method VIDEO! Stay tuned.
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    Gel: BRHG
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  • curlyvintagegirlycurlyvintagegirly Posts: 2Registered Users
    RUDEE>>>VIDEO>>>>YES!!!!!
    I need a video so I can get rid of this Elvis pompadour hairdo!
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I tried this today and had to get back in the shower and get my head wet again, lol.

    It just made me all tangly. For whatever reason, I just need to do this all upside down.

    ditto. I think all this brushing doesn't play well with most 3B hair.

    Well, true. I like my Denman, and that's about the limit of my brushing.

    Rudee, I was going to say that my length was an issue, but Jeep and I are of different legnths. I do get tangles at the ends, but, no more than about average for that length, and usually not so many when my hair is wet.

    I think it is just more manipulation than my wet hair cares for. I just stay upside down, put stuff on and bring my hair back up. :dontknow:
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