Internationally Curly! :D
curlygirl1995
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Hey you guys! Wow, it's been a while since I've been on here. Almost a year. In the past week or two, I've moved to Singapore! Let me tell you, barely ANY curly heads here. Anybody else an international curly, or better yet, a curly girl in Singapore? Maybe we could chat sometime!
Surprisingly, in this 80-90% humidity, my hair is still goin' strong. I got a haircut yesterday, with SHORT layers (in which we curly heads fear) and it turned out looking GREAT. But the lady did screw up my bangs!
Anyways, who else is an international curly?
Surprisingly, in this 80-90% humidity, my hair is still goin' strong. I got a haircut yesterday, with SHORT layers (in which we curly heads fear) and it turned out looking GREAT. But the lady did screw up my bangs!
Anyways, who else is an international curly?
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I'm a curly Singaporean guy- born and bred. Apart from the occasional curly heads here and there, you're right to have noticed the lack of curls here.
I hope you and your hair are holding up well in this hot climate.
regards,
paisleybandanna
Yeah, most girls here have really straight hair so its not unusual that very few girls here have curls... & the humidity here really sucks.
anyways... what's your curls type ?
you serious?!? but s'pore's humidity is like so damn high lah.. Wouldnt it look frizzy??
Im not really sure about my curl type. I think is somewhere between 2c-3a.
i want to switch to the CG method but i don't know where to find sulfate and silicone-free products in singapore! anyone know where to find them?
thanks
Btw, my curl type's 3a.... I think...
I'm going to buy the Biosilk Rock Hard Gel from http://www.strawberrynet.com/main.aspx next week.:thumbleft:
Eh. Burt Bee's and John masters' organics do contain glycerin and panthenol if i'm not wrong. Those are humectants. Humectants are not good for those people that are living in a very high humid places(singapore!!) or very low humid places. yeah, so you shouldnt use that. Yes to Carrots!/Tomatoes!/Cucumbers! are CG i think.
lol, at least, I can stick to yes to cucumbers and giovanni...they''re cheaper anyways! I'm pretty sure that John masters' pomade is an anti-humectant product though.
Oh yeah, I received the Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee today. Here are the ingredients (strawberrynet doesnt provide them):
Aqua/Water/Eau, PVP, Acrylates /Steareth-20 Itaconate Copolymer, Propylene Glycol, Hydrolysed Silk, Pathenol, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Triethanolamine, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Methylchlorcisothiazolinone, Parfum(Fragrance), Hexyl Cinnamic Aldehyde, Benzyl Benzoate, Linalool, Gamma Methyl lonone, Citronellol, Lilial, Hydroxy Citronellol, Geraniol, Eugenol, Blue 1 (Cl 42090), Red 23(Cl17200)
Thanks again! I'll be getting the all soft conditioner next.:glasses7:
very comprehensive.
It is damn hard to find some conditioners that are cg lah.
look at this article about silicones. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curly-q-a/whats-the-scoop-on-silicones
Those silicones can actually be washed away using amphoteric surfactants(which are MUCH gentler than sulfates).
But the best is to avoid as much silicones as possible.
The ingredients for John Masters' pomade:
Olea europaea (olive) oil,* organic apis mellifera (beeswax), mangifera indica (mango) butter, orbygnia speciosa (babassu) oil, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil,* triticum vulgare (wheat germ) oil,* laurus nobilis (bay laurel) oil, cedrus atlantica (cedar atlas) oil,† abies balsamea (fir balsam) oil,* cryptocaria massoia (massoia) oil, tocopheryl acetate, retinyl palmitate & ascorbyl palmitate (vitamins A, C, E)
And yes its not only anti-humectant its also CG!! omg. i need to get it!!Where did you get it?!?Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee contains pathenol and Propylene glycol. :sad9: Humectants!! No good!!! And they are so wayyy high on the ingredients list.
I need to go get some conditioner and shampoo soon. My current ones are goin to be used up soon.
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I've cut out all silicones for two weeks but my hair has this "halo" of frizz now(even when its in a bun):sad3:. So I'm just going to use some lighter weight silicones. Thanks for the list!
Lol, I think I saw John Masters' pomade at Sephora ION. I was at Novena yesterday, in Square 2, and saw it in this shop called bud cosmetics. Its $38.50. I recognised the shop from Vivawoman's blog (http://www.vivawoman.net/2008/09/11/viva-shop-tour-bud-cosmetics-at-square-2/) so I went to check it out.
I also saw another brand called Fushi(never heard of it). The hair balm looks interesting...Here, they have a website:
http://www.budcosmetics.com/product_info.php?products_id=869
There's this other brand called glossylocks, its CG but has humectants in the middle of the list. Argh. Fushi still has this conditioner:
http://www.budcosmetics.com/product_info.php?cPath=36_49_231&products_id=866
The Protein/humectant is at the bottom of the list. Ahhhhh......
I didn't get anything there since I really need a styling product more than anything else. I saw a really interesting gel and curl cream from L'oreal at SaSa. I dont think it has any silicones, humectants or a PVP holding agent. I need to go check it again since I was in a rush. I might buy it next week if the ingredients check out.:thumbup:
I'm currently using Fruit of the Earth's Aloe Vera Gel for styling. I'd say it's fairly good - helps define and hold the curls, but it gets really greasy in your hair even after one use and it doesn't provide much volume. It is CG friendly though, I think.
Here's the ingredients list:
Aloe Vera gel
Triethanolamine
Tocopheryl Acetate
Carbomer
Tetrasodium EDTA
DMDM Hydantoin
Diazolidnyl Urea
My conditioner is Pantene so it's obviously loaded with cones.
Judging from your posts CG friendly products seem so pricey ( $38 pomade and all) and aren't that readily available.
Sigh.. the woes of being a student and perpetually broke. :sad3:
The Fruit of the Earth Aloe Vera Gel looks good. Its CG, and seems to be really popular on the forum. I think its known as FOTE or FOTE AVG.
I've read that Aloe Vera is a humectant but not the most effective one(http://jillipoo.blogspot.com/2009/08/knights-of-aloe-vera-roundtable.html). It shouldn't be a problem either way if humidity helps your hair. I might try it some time as I definitely do NOT need volume.:toothy9: I think you can find out about the rest of the ingredients here:
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/ingredients-commonly-found-in-hair-care-products
Triethanolamine seems to have a higher ph (haven't read up on that yet) and is used to balance formulations. Its in the list but here's more:
http://thebeautybrains.com/2006/07/26/beauty-q-a-what-does-triethanolamine-do/
Tocopheryl Acetate is vitamin E, I have this ingredient in my body lotion lol...Carbomer provides a thickening function. Tetrasodium EDTA is a chelating agent(haven't read up on that too) that provides stability in products. DMDM Hydantoin and Diazolidnyl Urea are preservatives that keep your product from going "bad". Here, the curl chemist has a tiny section section devoted to those two ingredients:
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curly-q-a/preservatives-in-personal-care-products
Ahhh...The gel at SaSa contains SD Alcohol 40, Alcohol denat. Drying alcohols so I cant get it...
I don't like spending this much on my hair, but frustration will get me spending every time. lol, in any case, I don't think pomades are a must buy product. Must admit that the organic and "natural" products are more expensive. Sometimes, I think the labeling is a lie? lol, I'm really not impressed with giovanni 50/50. If you are interested in oils and butters, you can get them at :http://www.whoopeekiddies.com
I have never shopped there but read about it from Vivawoman's blog. Yeah, the website looks really run down, so I wasn't sure until I read Viva Woman's reviews.I don't know if there is anywhere else that I can buy the butters... I might buy the shea butter next week. Its around $5.00 maybe with shipping $10 or $15? Be careful though, I've always read that unrefined shea butter has a smell. When I was using heavier silicones, I really loved Asience (the yellow bottle) but that builds up. Pantene was pretty good. much better than herbal essence. Whew, long post....:toothy10:
My hair is already pretty voluminous ( short layers, ugh, what a bad decision)
but it could probably do with some strengthening
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Hair Type: 3a - 3b
Currently Using:
* Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Conditioner (purple bottle)*
* Special Effects Curl Booster Fixative Gel*
Member since March '09
Take a look at this. http://www.sistersofthefaith.com/beauty/the-fine-art-of-protein-and-moisture-balancing-for-black-hair-care-pt-2/
Just make sure that there is not any protein in any of your leave in products. Protein should only be used for the conditioning phase. (at least that i what i heard) or else it will make your hair dry when you use leave in products on your hair.
I went to the budcosmetics website. The fushi conditioner seems promising but its so ex!!! :eek:
I also need styling products so badly. zz.
What is wrong with PVP? I thought it is supposed to help you hold your hair?
Do you know where I can get Yes to Cucumber conditioner? :toothy8:
My current hair is 2a(I slightly straighten it). I like to switch my hair often and can afford to(cuz i'm a guy and i dont have to worry stuffs like transitioning). Two months ago, when my hair was 2c/3a and I start to use the CG method, there is definitely a visible change. Even my mum notices it. :laughing9: Hair will become so much softer, tighter and the curls will look more defined. And i like to keep on touching it. lol. :laughing9:
You should get rid of your pantene conditioner. god its horrible. so loaded with silicones.
Maybe you should try the Yes to Carrots series. Its quite good after i view the ingredients. But I dont know the price. :sad9:
FOTE is CG free. But it contains aloe vera. It is an issue cuz some ppl said that aloe vera is a humectant... Im not really sure about that..
I used asience in the past too. first week was good but after that it just started to build up and my hair looked like straws!!!:sad9:
If im not wrong, giovanni 50/50 conditioner contains glycerin(humectants! eck!).
But I do know Yes to Carrots contain honey extracts and Dimethicone. Honey extracts is a humectant if I'm not wrong. you have to go check out about this. Humectant will work for you if the humidity there is not high or low.
Dimethicone is a cone(duh!). so you might need to shampoo it out. A gentler shampoo will be able to do so.
If your hair needs strengthening , maybe it's cuz of the lack of protein. maybe you need to deep condition your hair weekly with some protein. :laughing9:
And yes to carrots sounds like a good product to try :cyclops:
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Hair Type: 3a - 3b
Currently Using:
* Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Conditioner (purple bottle)*
* Special Effects Curl Booster Fixative Gel*
Member since March '09
Here's the ingredients on the back of my Yes to Cucumbers! bottle:
Aqua(Water), Cucumis Sativus(Cucumber) Extract*, Cetearyl Alcohol, Peucedanum Graveolens(Dill) Extract*, Capsicum Annuum(Green Pepper) Extract*, Maris Aqua(Dead Sea Water), Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil*, Magnesium Chloride, Chamomila Recutita(Camomile) Extract*, Olea Europaea(Olive) Oil*, Brassica Olearacea(Broccoli) Extract*, Benzyl Alcohol, Spinacia Oleracea(Spinach) Extract, Simmondsia Chinensis(Jojoba) Oil*, Calendula Officinalis Oil*, Maris Limus Triticum Vugare(Wheat) Germ Oil*, Punica Granatum(Pomegranate Peel) Extract*, Lactic Acid, Centaurea Cyanus, Beta Vulgaris(Beetroot) Extract*, Olea Europaea(Olive) Leaf Extract*, Dehydroacetic Acid.
* Certified Organic Ingredient
I think for its price, its a really good conditioner. The texture is somewhat thick and there's 500ml of it. Before I bought it, I read(on this forum) that the scent was weird. It smelled like talcum powder with a hint of pepper to me. lol, baby powder and pepper, odd combo.... Its not bad, and won't linger once rinsed but, smell it first. I tend to use alot of conditioner so it was difficult to rinse out. You might want to adjust the amount you use. :laughing4:
These are the two threads that I read before buying the conditioner,
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=83326
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=65964
Ahh, you're going to do protein treatments? Be sure to update!
I've haven't bought anything from either website but read about them on VivaWoman's blog. The second one has a delivery fee of $10 which is alot of money for local mail(I think) . The website is kinda weird, the hair section is other the dressing room tag.
Protein acts as a humectant, and if we rinse it out, its ok? Does this apply to other humectants? I was reading the beauty brains blog and they say glycerin gets rinsed off in rinse out(haha) conditioners.
Here:
http://thebeautybrains.com/2006/10/07/what-makes-redken-all-soft-conditioner-rock/
Lol, its about why all soft conditioner rocks.
Ack, the Fushi conditioners...I saw the actual size, it would probably only last me maximum 5 uses. I might buy it if my hair turns disasterous. Luckily, I'm not there yet.
Yeah, I hate tying up my hair...I really need a styling product.My hair is just too much without any. Lucky that the weather has been cooler or I would be :banghead:...haha
I don't know I read about PVP here:
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curly-q-a/the-nitty-gritty-details-about-hair-gel
ha, quote,"PVP (poly N-vinyl-2-pyrrolidone) is an excellent film-former that is substantive to hair, forms clear films, and is completely water soluble. However, it absorbs water readily, which in humid weather makes it sticky or tacky to the touch, can cause frizz, and give a dull appearance to the hair. In dry weather, it can become brittle and flaky."
I've only seen the Yes to! line at Watsons. I've seen the products at Ngee Ann City(Basement). I bought mine at Lot 1, Choa Chu Kang(CCK). I also saw the leave in Conditioner at CCK but I didn't check the ingredients...running late, lol...
Yeah, when I saw the alcohols, I just couldn't believe that I didn't zero in on it at first! Lucky I didn't buy it! It would have killed my hair.
Lol, exact same reaction with Asience...I guess you must use a really clarifying shampoo. I loved the initial results though.
I don't see glycerin on my 50/50 bottle, but maybe its Soybean Protein and Sodium hydroxymethylgycinate? I have no idea what the latter does :confused4: . Maybe its the jumble of ""natural" products at the front of the list? I have no idea.:confused2:
No, I've got nothing to say.....
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Instead, I'll just put a chain of meaningless emoticons:
:iroc::smilebox::dwarf::elephant::snorting::joker::blob3::walk::tongue2::wav:
I cant fight my curls
I cant control my curls
I really just let them roll free
What else can i do? :dontknow:
~I have curly curly 3c hair w/ some 4a up in little corners!
~I'm have a love affair with the Ojon Line and faithfully use Garnier Fructis Spray Gel.
~I love all my kinks, coils, and curls even when I wanna rip them out! :cwm21:
~Trying to gorw out to BSL, any tips? Drop a mesage! :toothy10:
You do need products that help to combat high humidity. The main thing is to have enough moisture in your hair. High humidity will mean that the surroundings have more moisture than in our hair and this will mean that those moisture will try to invade our hair. This will result the hair to be really frizzy. You will have to make sure that the hair products that you get DO NOT contain any humectants as humectants attract moisture to the hair.
Use products that contain oils or products that contain silicones on damp hair will be fine. One key thing to note is that you might need to low poo your hair if you use products with silicones. Silicones might sometimes weight down your hair too... And some silicones(especially those heavy ones) are rather greasy.
Hope that helps.
I think just cutting out humectants have made the biggest difference. I would much rather use light weight silicones than get a leave-in product with humectants on the top of the ingredient list.
I can use some silicones like amodimethicone but not dimethicone. lol, I tried using pantene because I didn't want to go out of my way to get my regular conditioner. Now my hair feels like straw. I need to use a clarifying shampoo to get the buildup out which will make my hair really dry. ha.