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Opininion, 3b, 3c, or 4a? I am confused.

qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

Current Products:

Grape Seed Oil
evoo

Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

Hair Type: ???

:walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

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  • mixededmixeded Posts: 381Registered Users
    Hi!

    Going by your sig (that your last relaxer was in Jan of 09) I would venture to say that most of your hair is still relaxed and makes it difficult to type your hair properly. You could make a guess by looking at the roots but that's still unreliable, especially if there's a possibility of heat damage.
    :duckie: Fotki!
    Last relaxer: Feb. 2008
    Big Chop:
    Jan. 2009
  • qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
    when will a person begin to know, (minus a big cut)? A little less than a year ago I looked like this
    Trn0bits5-th.jpg
    I do understand that when the hair is relaxed, growing it out will take a bit of time, but when will you really "know" your hair type, if you don't do the "big chop?" I usually air dry, (hooded at the beautician which I only use for what I call "the works, "relaxer, cut, and rinse).

    Do you think about what your hair was like when you were a little girl? I really am confused. I would like to make sure I choose the right products for my hair type. Right now I feel like I am randomly selecting products, (and slowly going broke, lol), trying to see what works. Lost here...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

    Current Products:

    Grape Seed Oil
    evoo

    Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

    Hair Type: ???

    :walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
    He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

  • ~Curly~~Curly~ Banned Posts: 772Banned Users
    I'm a little confused are you relaxed or natural?

    If you are relaxed knowing your "hair type" is kinda pointless because you don't have a hair type like anyone natural.. you have your own special chemically enhanced texture and even with that said not all products work for all people in the same hair category.... you might just have to work it out and see what products work best for your texture of hair....

    Is your hair wet in these photos?
    "Relaxer free Since 2003"
    3C in constant search for something that works!

    3C/4B(hairs that act 4b even if they technically aren't) no clue what i'm doing..:geek::hello2::afro:
    I will respond as I see fit. It should be about freedom to express our opinions, You're free to say what you like as should others. Get a Thicker Skin if no one can disagree with you without you feeling bullied and running to Admin Hellllllpppppp Meeee Adminnnnn Pleaseeee!!!! Smh
  • qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
    "If you are relaxed knowing your "hair type" is kinda pointless because you don't have a hair type like anyone natural."

    So, are we saying that folks who have not done the "big chop" cannot really say what their hair type is? This is where I am confused. I see folks who are transitioning at different stages in their journey saying what their hair type is. At what point can we know? In none of the pics that I posted was my hair wet. The bushy looking one was me photographing my hair after using one of those numerous products I have been buying, lol. As you may already have guessed, that product has been retired, lol.

    Also, just noticed your am I relaxed or natural. I consider myself to be transitioning. I am on my way to being natural. Now after all of my reading, I am not sure when I can claim naturalness, esp. if I have no plans of doing a "big cut" at this time.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

    Current Products:

    Grape Seed Oil
    evoo

    Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

    Hair Type: ???

    :walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
    He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

  • ~Curly~~Curly~ Banned Posts: 772Banned Users
    qbc94 wrote: »
    "If you are relaxed knowing your "hair type" is kinda pointless because you don't have a hair type like anyone natural."

    So, are we saying that folks who have not done the "big chop" cannot really say what their hair type is? This is where I am confused. I see folks who are transitioning at different stages in their journey saying what their hair type is. At what point can we know? In none of the pics that I posted was my hair wet. The bushy looking one was me photographing my hair after using one of those numerous products I have been buying, lol. As you may already have guessed, that product has been retired, lol.

    They can have some idea depending on how long their new growth is and how long they've been growing it out.. but honestly i think the relaxed hair is weighing down the real hair and it might cause someone to think they have a different hair type than they do...

    All i was asking was if you hair was wet with either water or product in the photos especially in the first one because it does seem like the hair is more weighed down and not in it's natural state.. and pic two i just wanted to know if the majority of that was relaxer hair or not, because if you had a perm in jan there is no way that hair is not relaxed... i'd tell you what hair type i think you are but it's kinda pointless if you are permed because your hair is weighed down and chemically altered...
    "Relaxer free Since 2003"
    3C in constant search for something that works!

    3C/4B(hairs that act 4b even if they technically aren't) no clue what i'm doing..:geek::hello2::afro:
    I will respond as I see fit. It should be about freedom to express our opinions, You're free to say what you like as should others. Get a Thicker Skin if no one can disagree with you without you feeling bullied and running to Admin Hellllllpppppp Meeee Adminnnnn Pleaseeee!!!! Smh
  • qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
    Well, it's all sort of moot then I guess. I will just continue to sample products, (I kinda like being a product junkie, but it's the expense that's gonna kill me, lol). I will have to share this with one of my good friends who is starting this journey too. She says she has 4xyz hair, lol, (very tightly coiled), and has had her last relaxer in Feb. 2009.

    My mom is natural, (2 years now), and never had a big cut. She transitioned with braids for about a year. Now it's just her hair with regular clipped maintanance. She is 3b/3c, but she has thin hair. My hair texture is much thicker than hers. Anyway, I am enjoying this learning process, and thank you so much for your help. It's a real journey isn't it?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

    Current Products:

    Grape Seed Oil
    evoo

    Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

    Hair Type: ???

    :walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
    He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

  • qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
    Side note: I am finding that less product looks and works better for me. I have been 2 strand twisting and rod my hair every night. I have my Denman brush, (product again), and I use either VO5 (ointment kind) for sheen or Organic Olive Oil. I have been washing, (no poo), every other day, and on the weekend I did a shampoo and deep conditioner. So far, so good. Prior to this routine I was putting all sorts of stuff, (as my picture can attest to), on my hair, sometimes all at once. lol
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

    Current Products:

    Grape Seed Oil
    evoo

    Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

    Hair Type: ???

    :walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
    He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

  • OnyxCabeloOnyxCabelo Posts: 1,767Registered Users
    First off - WELCOME To NC!!!! Glad to have you here:toothy10:!!

    Now to your question about when will you know your hair type. What Curly said is really quite true. With relaxed ends still attached to your new growth it is extremely difficult to know what your natural hair will really look like. I transitioned for all of about 4 months, and before my BC, I just knew I'd have wavy hair :pirat:- hahahaha. Then I cut off the relaxed ends and pow - super-duper frizz, plus 1 - LOL!! At first I was about to have a major melt down - I had just had a baby, was many, many pounds overweight, I big chopped with only 4 months of new growth on my head, and I was shedding like crazy. Can you say, "find me the nearest bridge so I can jump off it" LOL? Thankfully, I had NC, which gave me lots of support and tons of fabulous information on getting my hair back into shape.

    For me it took several months of deep treatments and pampering and a few trims to finally really know what my true hair type is. The unfortunate thing about relaxers or texturizers(which is what I had) is that in some cases even the unprocessed new growth you have may end up to be scab hair - which is very dry, damaged and in most cases doesn't curl the way it should.

    In other words, give yourself some time to see your hair's potential. You will probably find - like I did - that this whole "going natural" process is more like a marathon and a sprint. It takes a lot time.

    Knowing your hair type is nice, but depending on whose typing system you're using it can be very flawed. On top of that, most of us have at least a few different hair types on one head anyway, so picking products for your hair is more about what works to give your hair the nourishment it needs rather than trying to pick a product because of your hair type. In my case, my hair is very wirey - I've been told it's like doll's hair (you know the plastic strands on barbi dolls - only my strands are tightly curled). Most creamy products just sit on top of my hair - like water running over wire. I have predominately 3c hair, and even though you may end up having 3c hair too, your hair may be finer in texture, it may love creams and may thrive on protein treatments, which I can only do sparingly.

    Anyway, many of the curlies on here visit all of the hair type sections. There are 3a's here who use products that the 4a's or 4b's love, and that's awesome - because it just goes to show how diverse all of our natural hair is.

    Anyway, happy hair growing and enjoy the journey:flower:!!
    Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

    Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
    BC: July 21, 2008
    Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

    Certified Denirophile:love5:

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein
  • qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
    OnyxCabelo, I am hugging you!!! I was feeling like I was in the twighlight zone for a minute, hahaha. I am an obsessive type person, so I am reading a ton of stuff and everything is "hair type, hair type, hair type." I see 4b/c folks know almost immediately that they are 4b/c. I may be 4b/c, who knows? I certainly don't, but I felt with all of this reading I am doing, I should know by now. I got my first relaxer when I was 17. Prior to that I was a "Teenaged Sponge Roller Queen.' So for the last 30 years, (I am 47), I have been in various stages of relaxed hair. Long, short, and in between. I mostly Dark & Lovely'd my ownself, but when the gray started showing up in abundance I met Ms. Connie, my Master Rinser, (smiles). It was my dream to one day have dreads, but then I thought if I changed my mind, I would have to go bald. And I am the first to say, I have a big ol' head, so bald ain't a good look for me, lol.

    Anyway, bless you for making it very clear and plain that I don't necessarily have to know what type I am at this point. I have some idea, of course, because I remember my hair prior to relaxing. It just all seemed so important right now. Thank you, thank you!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

    Current Products:

    Grape Seed Oil
    evoo

    Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

    Hair Type: ???

    :walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
    He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

  • mariag002mariag002 Posts: 3,557Registered Users
    Welcome qbc94!

    Some people that are transitioning will take a guess at what their hair type is. Maybe they remember what their hair was like as a kid.

    This was me back in 2007 - 9 months into the transition. I thought I had like 6 inches of new growth but it was probably more like 4. The relaxed ends were weighing my hair down. Can you tell by looking at this hair what hair type I am? Probably not. My hair looked completely different when I did the BC.

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    - Maria

    Big Chop: 9/23/07
    Relaxer free for almost 5 years!

  • qbc94qbc94 Posts: 41Registered Users
    mariag002, thank you for letting me see your pic. I also took a look at your fotki, too. Great pics, girl! How long did you wait before you did the big chop? Was it 9 months after your last relaxer? Oh, I took a peek back and did the math, (smiles). I am clueless on how I count my time. I consider myself to be transitioning, but it seems from the other posts, to me, that I am relaxed rather than transitioning, even though I am into my 6th month after relaxing.

    What sort of styles did you wear to work once you did it? Like I said before, I think I have a "big ol' head," lol, but I have been relaxed and short, so what am I afraid of, right?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I big chopped on 03/25/2013!!! :angel12:

    Current Products:

    Grape Seed Oil
    evoo

    Herbal Essence HH Conditioner&Shampoo
    Aubrey Organics Honey Suckle Rose Conditioner

    Hair Type: ???

    :walk:Walking by faith and not by sight, although sometimes I peek.
    He's helping me to trust in Him. :love7:

  • OnyxCabeloOnyxCabelo Posts: 1,767Registered Users
    qbc94 wrote: »
    OnyxCabelo, I am hugging you!!! I was feeling like I was in the twighlight zone for a minute, hahaha. I am an obsessive type person, so I am reading a ton of stuff and everything is "hair type, hair type, hair type." I see 4b/c folks know almost immediately that they are 4b/c. I may be 4b/c, who knows? I certainly don't, but I felt with all of this reading I am doing, I should know by now. I got my first relaxer when I was 17. Prior to that I was a "Teenaged Sponge Roller Queen.' So for the last 30 years, (I am 47), I have been in various stages of relaxed hair. Long, short, and in between. I mostly Dark & Lovely'd my ownself, but when the gray started showing up in abundance I met Ms. Connie, my Master Rinser, (smiles). It was my dream to one day have dreads, but then I thought if I changed my mind, I would have to go bald. And I am the first to say, I have a big ol' head, so bald ain't a good look for me, lol.

    Anyway, bless you for making it very clear and plain that I don't necessarily have to know what type I am at this point. I have some idea, of course, because I remember my hair prior to relaxing. It just all seemed so important right now. Thank you, thank you!


    Awwww!! You're welcome!!! Glad it was helpful. I'm sending you a PM:).
    Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

    Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
    BC: July 21, 2008
    Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

    Certified Denirophile:love5:

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein
  • OnyxCabeloOnyxCabelo Posts: 1,767Registered Users
    Hmmmm - perhaps I spoke to soon. I wanted to send you a PM, but for some reason I can't:(. Anyway, when you get a minute - PM me and I'm just reply to you. Stay blessed!!
    Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

    Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
    BC: July 21, 2008
    Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

    Certified Denirophile:love5:

    "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein
  • babydoll202k7babydoll202k7 Posts: 88Registered Users
    I had an idea of what my "hair type" was while I was transitioning but most of the time that's just a guess. Most of the time, those in transition don't know with out a doubt what they're hair type is. Your main goal at this point is to find whatever works for you to mask your two textures until the relaxer is grown out or you decide to cut the relaxed ends. And also keep in mind that heat damage also has an effect on your natural hair, so even when all the relaxer is gone, it's going to take a lot of care and conditioning for your natural texture to show through in some sections of your hair.
    3C - No Relaxer since 8/06 - BC 7/07

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  • toofrizzytoofrizzy Posts: 154Registered Users
    OnyxCabelo wrote: »
    First off - WELCOME To NC!!!! Glad to have you here:toothy10:!!

    Now to your question about when will you know your hair type. What Curly said is really quite true. With relaxed ends still attached to your new growth it is extremely difficult to know what your natural hair will really look like. I transitioned for all of about 4 months, and before my BC, I just knew I'd have wavy hair :pirat:- hahahaha. Then I cut off the relaxed ends and pow - super-duper frizz, plus 1 - LOL!! At first I was about to have a major melt down - I had just had a baby, was many, many pounds overweight, I big chopped with only 4 months of new growth on my head, and I was shedding like crazy. Can you say, "find me the nearest bridge so I can jump off it" LOL? Thankfully, I had NC, which gave me lots of support and tons of fabulous information on getting my hair back into shape.

    For me it took several months of deep treatments and pampering and a few trims to finally really know what my true hair type is. The unfortunate thing about relaxers or texturizers(which is what I had) is that in some cases even the unprocessed new growth you have may end up to be scab hair - which is very dry, damaged and in most cases doesn't curl the way it should.

    In other words, give yourself some time to see your hair's potential. You will probably find - like I did - that this whole "going natural" process is more like a marathon and a sprint. It takes a lot time.

    Knowing your hair type is nice, but depending on whose typing system you're using it can be very flawed. On top of that, most of us have at least a few different hair types on one head anyway, so picking products for your hair is more about what works to give your hair the nourishment it needs rather than trying to pick a product because of your hair type. In my case, my hair is very wirey - I've been told it's like doll's hair (you know the plastic strands on barbi dolls - only my strands are tightly curled). Most creamy products just sit on top of my hair - like water running over wire. I have predominately 3c hair, and even though you may end up having 3c hair too, your hair may be finer in texture, it may love creams and may thrive on protein treatments, which I can only do sparingly.

    Anyway, many of the curlies on here visit all of the hair type sections. There are 3a's here who use products that the 4a's or 4b's love, and that's awesome - because it just goes to show how diverse all of our natural hair is.

    Anyway, happy hair growing and enjoy the journey:flower:!!

    Amen to all that!! After starting out thinking I was a mixture of 3c/4a, now after many months on this site and seeing many piccies I finally realise I am in fact a 3c/3b - however due to dryness my hair actually seems to respond best to the products that are raved about by 4a's - so in essence I feel the hair typing is kind of irrelevant - trial and error with products is the best way - expensive I know but when you find something that really works for you the feeling you get is so great!!
  • AuroraE95AuroraE95 Posts: 124Registered Users
    mariag002 wrote: »
    Welcome qbc94!

    Some people that are transitioning will take a guess at what their hair type is. Maybe they remember what their hair was like as a kid.

    This was me back in 2007 - 9 months into the transition. I thought I had like 6 inches of new growth but it was probably more like 4. The relaxed ends were weighing my hair down. Can you tell by looking at this hair what hair type I am? Probably not. My hair looked completely different when I did the BC.

    DSC02783.jpg

    OMG my hair look like that now when its wet too..length, new growth,relaxed ends and all :shock: :afro:

    ooohp possible twin hey :toothy4:
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    MY ULTIMATE GOAL: HEALTHY (almost)BRA STRAP LENGTH CURLS
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  • lilrickslilricks Posts: 7Registered Users
    Deb 3b, 3c :wave:
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    Looking for alternative to KC prods.
    Currently using Ecostyler and Parnevu T-tree Herbal Gro with excellent results.
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    I'm a bit confused by the difference of your avatar photos and the photo in your post. They look so different. Your avatars, I would say 4a. The post photos - if those are of your hair relaxed, then don't even try to type your hair, it will change once you BC.
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  • qteeqtee Posts: 163Registered Users
    this thread is a yr old...she probably changed her avatar pic after she BC'd..
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    Olive oil and Argan oil are my fav oils..

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  • sweets93sweets93 Posts: 1Registered Users
    I've been transitioning for 7 months now & I would like to know which hair type I have? I wanna say 3c? but Im not for sure.


    the picture is my hair after I washed it & put detangling lotion in it.[IMG]http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/<a href=[/IMG]
  • pprMACHEheartpprMACHEheart Posts: 1,665Registered Users
    You won't be able to tell what hair type you are until the chemically processed is completely gone. You should focus, in the meanwhile, with keeping your hair moisturized properly.
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  • greenandchicgreenandchic Posts: 2,584Registered Users
    sweets93 wrote: »
    I've been transitioning for 7 months now & I would like to know which hair type I have? I wanna say 3c? but Im not for sure.


    the picture is my hair after I washed it & put detangling lotion in it.[IMG]http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/<a href=[/IMG]


    your photo isnt visible.
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  • Bree_KBree_K Posts: 3Registered Users
    3c