What Should I Tell My Stylist?

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  • followmeskyfollowmesky Posts: 287Registered Users
    Had I only know this then. I'm sure I am not the only one that said this.
    I got my last Deva cut about 5 months ago, and it was the worst Deva , let's put it this way, worst cut in my life. I ended up with a triangle mop head, and split ends everywhere, because the intention was for layers but my layers were super short on top, to the sides, creating that awful dreaded pyramid.
    I'm still letting my hair grow, and going through some dry , protein issues but ... great thread.
    3b/C with nicer curls on the bottom!
    Hair: naturally very dry and VERY porous
    hair seems to be moody.
    Does not seem to like oils
    Does not like protein or too much?
    Does not like rich products

    So, I ask myself. What does it like? That is the question, and I'm on a mission.
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    and would like to add some more. Since then I have been working on curlies, learning everything I can, and have become an Advanced Deva inspired stylist.

    In my chair I want you to tell me if you want your hair cut to your natural curl pattern, or to a specific style. Know that if you want it cut to a specific style it will require more styling skills and upkeep. There are some times that you can have a little of both so let's discuss it, but remember the more elaborate the style, the less natural it is.

    Let's talk length. When discussing length, I need to know whether you enhance or elongate your curls when styling. If I cut one "c" dry it will react one "c". How short or long it "looks" depends on on styling.

    Let's talk shape. The bulk or weight of a haircut has to be somewhere. Bottom, middle, or top. This is somewhat dictated by how much hair you have and how long you want it.. Where do you want the most volume. For instance, if you have bsl, fine hair there is only so much root lift I can give you before your bottom gets stringy. Thick hair needs weight in the length in order to lay it down.

    I love, love,love cutting curly hair, and dry cutting has opened up so many options for us to finally love our curls. I want us to have the same language so you can have realistic expectations and enjoy having your hair done. I love having educated customers, who know what they want and then making it happen.
    Hope this helps,
    Melissa
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    What if I have bsl hair, no lift at the roots, and my ends are getting stringy? My last cut was in September (end of). Am I just overdue for a cut? I don't have root lift anyway, and my ends aren't usually stringy, but they are getting stringy now :( I have medium hair, not that fine, but not as thick as it used to be, and alot of it.

    What do I tell my stylist? I'm getting ready to go in for a cut very soon.
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    replied in other thread:smile:
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I don't remember which other thread that would be. Could you reply here or else link to your reply? Thanks!
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • monipearlmonipearl Posts: 95Registered Users
    i have a dilemma.

    my friend is a hair stylist and i inadvertently mentioned i needed a haircut. she's been dying to throw a relaxer in my hair for years. we talked about it and she said she'd need to straighten my hair to cut it "right". i want to tell her no and double no! had my hair flat-ironed in january so i could try wigs (yes, i got funny looks in the wig shop too) and am done for the year.

    there's another stylist in her salon that does curly cuts and has great reviews on here. i'm afraid of hurting her feelings if i make an appointment with that other stylist.

    any advice? thanks!

    monica
    3c-4b. probably.
    medium/coarse texture.
    (extremely)high density.
    low porosity, normal elasticity.
    co-wash: suave naturals daily clarifying condish with drops of rosemary oil.
    detangling conditioner: tresemme naturals.
    deep conditioner: curly kinks curlycue renew, b.a.s.k. cacao bark, honey/evoo.
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Pearl, I've got to say, stick to your guns. A haircut that depends on your hair being straightened in order to be cut is not going to suit your hair when it's curly. And you are the one who has to live with it day to day, not your friend. It could hurt her feelings, but she won't have to live with bad hair for 4, 5, or 6 months as it grows out. And that's not saying her cut will be bad because she's not a good stylist, it's saying the cut won't be appropriate for your curls. Because she's cutting your hair in a state that it had to be forced into - a state that is unnatural for it to be in, and that you aren't going to wear it in on a daily basis.

    Unless you are prepared to live with the ramifications of wearing the cut as it grows out, you will have to tell her - as kindly, gently, and thoughtfully as you know how - that you can't have her cutting your hair, especially if her cutting your hair involves her flat-ironing it, when flat-ironing it isn't how you wear your hair (if you wear it curly; if you don't, then of course, ignore everything I just said, lol).

    Good luck!
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    What if I have bsl hair, no lift at the roots, and my ends are getting stringy? My last cut was in September (end of). Am I just overdue for a cut? I don't have root lift anyway, and my ends aren't usually stringy, but they are getting stringy now :( I have medium hair, not that fine, but not as thick as it used to be, and alot of it.

    What do I tell my stylist? I'm getting ready to go in for a cut very soon.

    If your ends are stringy, they may need to be cut. It may be damage, to many layers, or terminal length. I feel most cuts look best with some weight at the bottom.
    As for the root lift, it can be tricky on longer, finer hair.
    Leaving enough weight at the bottom, but taking the weight out at the top. I have a few ways I can do this. Rounding out the layers, leaving weight in the middles. Or I can get creative and pick up strategic curls at the crown where you want the lift and cut them a few more c's then the rest. This kind of cut must be styled and cliped to the cut to work properly. Careful, this is also where some feel a deva cut is uneven. hth :)
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    to monipearl,
    what auntie bibs said !
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks, BigRed. I think I understand, but I'll have to write that down and take it with me to the stylist. i don't want alot of volume at the roots, I just don't it to be so flat. I am the first to admit that I'm lazy about clipping the roots when I diffuse dry though.
    I've been getting Deva cuts since 2007 so I understand about the "unevenness factor"; I've never felt that Deva cuts are unneven. My curls don't grow out unevenly from the Deva cuts so much as the ends get straggly - I guess from the layers growing out.

    I've found I can go 5 or 6 months before I start to feel I need a touch-up. I'm just having a hard time finding a new Deva stylist I can trust - my old stylist is in a salon I don't trust at all. I like the stylist, I don't like the salon. :(
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • monipearlmonipearl Posts: 95Registered Users
    thanks for the pep talk, auntie bubbs! i always wear my curls. just pulled back in a pony since it's just a big ball of frizz when not fresh from shower.

    i'll just have to explain that if she's not willing to cut my frizz ball as is, she can't cut it at all!
    3c-4b. probably.
    medium/coarse texture.
    (extremely)high density.
    low porosity, normal elasticity.
    co-wash: suave naturals daily clarifying condish with drops of rosemary oil.
    detangling conditioner: tresemme naturals.
    deep conditioner: curly kinks curlycue renew, b.a.s.k. cacao bark, honey/evoo.
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Good luck, Pearl :) I think you'll be happier with a cut that doesn't depend on your hair being straightened for it to be cut. Not all cuts have to be Deva cuts, but they shouldn't be dependent on forcing your hair to be what it isn't.
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    Bigred do u have pics to show those type of cuts?

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  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    curlybran wrote: »
    Bigred do u have pics to show those type of cuts?

    Sent from my PC36100 using CurlTalk App
    Curlybran,
    I wish I did. I have pics of my work on my fb page, but do you know that I have a harder time taking pics than cutting hair. I either forget cuz we start talking 'bout curls so much, or the pics I take just do not seem to do justice. I am working on it though :smile:
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks, BigRed. I think I understand, but I'll have to write that down and take it with me to the stylist. i don't want alot of volume at the roots, I just don't it to be so flat. I am the first to admit that I'm lazy about clipping the roots when I diffuse dry though.
    I've been getting Deva cuts since 2007 so I understand about the "unevenness factor"; I've never felt that Deva cuts are unneven. My curls don't grow out unevenly from the Deva cuts so much as the ends get straggly - I guess from the layers growing out.

    I've found I can go 5 or 6 months before I start to feel I need a touch-up. I'm just having a hard time finding a new Deva stylist I can trust - my old stylist is in a salon I don't trust at all. I like the stylist, I don't like the salon. :(


    I hope it helps. Can you help me, now? What makes you trust or mistrust a stylist? Just the cut or is it a personality difference? What about the shop ? Is it something the stylist can control or is it just the place that she works?
    Why are we all so lazy with the clips?? Can't tell you how often I here that. I'm also guilty of it myself. It is an incredable styling tool that I feel alot of us are missing out on.
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Good point about the clips - I don't know why I'm so lazy about it, just that I usually get midway through diffusing and think, oh, I forgot those darn clips again! LOL

    Anyway, about your question, its usually a thing about how I'm treated 90% of the time, and only to do with how they do my hair the other 10% of the time. Funny, isn't it? In the case of the salon I don't trust, but the stylist I love works there, the problem was she got married and took 2 or 3 weeks off right when I went in - I went in for my birthday in September, didn't know she was out, and made an appt. to see another stylist (because I was treating myself for my bday). The other stylist was pretty highly rated on here and I thought it would be ok. It wasn't. I left feeling awful - my hair looked bad, and she just made me feel bad. She was 30 minutes late (coming in, not running late) and didn't apologize, I didn't feel treated well like I usually am (they usually offer coffee, tea, massage chairs, etc. It's a nice salon), and didn't listen to me when I tried to tell her what my hair likes and doesn't like. Within an hour of my leaving, I had a frizz ball for a hairdo - and it was my 40th bday, not a day a woman wants to feel ugly and unattractive. 40 is traumatic enough.
    Anyway, I should've called and said something, but I'm not used to that, really. But I stewed about it for a while, and then left a review on Yelp. (I tried to leave a review here, but for whatever reason, NC wouldn't let me leave it, which is why I left it on Yelp.) I got a message back from the owner chastizing me for not calling to tell them I had an issue - implying the issue must be my fault, in other words, or else I wouldn't have had a problem calling and complaining. Then he offered to restyle my hair. But when I left a message to take him up on that offer, he never got back to me.

    So yeah, I have issues trusting that salon - Cappella in Studio City, CA, if anyone wants to know. I don't feel I'm badmouthing them, since I'm just relating what actually happened. And I'm not repeating anything I haven't left on Yelp (and tried to leave on here, except can't).

    I mistrust the stylist who did my hair that day because she wouldn't listen. I trust the stylist who normally does my hair in that salon (and am really upset I can't go see her anymore now) because she always listened and asked me if it was ok to use the product she wanted to use before she put it in my hair. I also felt comfortable telling her if I didn't like how my hair looked, whereas I would not have felt comfortable telling the other stylist if I didn't like my hair, because she had this "you'd better like it, I spent all this time on you" attitude about her.

    Long explanation, but I hope it helps. What it all comes down to is, if I'm treated right, by the salon and the stylist, I go back. If I'm not, I don't even if the stylist is a really good one.
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Oh, Auntee bibs, I'm so sorry that happened to you. I would be so upset if I found out that happened to one of my clients while I was gone. Has the good stylist tried to contact you, or do you have a way to contact her personally? She may have a way to fix things for you.

    It can be hard to find a salon especially a big one to support us in what we do. As in every profession, we have alot of different personalitys, and ways of doing things.

    I try to contact my clients personaly, have a facebook for them so they may contact me directly. I am hoping that by giving them that personal touch, we can have better hair days all around :)

    Isn't it funny how having your hair done is such an emotional experience, especially when your a curly. We all have a Hair'story. That's what we connect on. The great cut n style is a bonus. I hope to give my clients both!
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • curlybrancurlybran Posts: 510Registered Users
    What is ur fb red?

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  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks Red. I don't know that the stylist knows anything about it since she wasn't there when it happened. I haven't called her or anything - I don't have a way to reach her except through the salon, and it was the salon owner who contacted me after the incident, and then I had an issue with him, too. So I'm just moving on. I have hopes of finding someone to do my hair at a Devachan that apparently is opening not too far away from the Studio City salon.

    I'd love to know what your FB page is too. :)
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    curlybran wrote: »
    What is ur fb red?

    Sent from my PC36100 using CurlTalk App


    There once was a curl @:)
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Auntie BubbsAuntie Bubbs Posts: 1,068Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks, Kathy. Challenged would describe me :)
    That's me with FSG as my styler!!

    3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

    Currently using:
    Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
    RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
    Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Thanks Kathy :laughing6:

    Welcome Aunt Bubbs :mrgreen:
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • RainyDayWavesRainyDayWaves Posts: 162Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If she can, she needs to keep a solid "base" at the bottom and only start layering an inch or two up from the bottom perimeter. I hate seeing stringy ends from a cut on curly hair because the layering started too soon.

    I am SO GLAD I read this! I have yet to get a hair cut since going CG (It's only been 8 days LOL) but I noticed that my waves look so full and nice but the ends just look stringy. They aren't, they're soft (after a DT) and not split or anything... and they aren't straight like heat damage, they follow the wave pattern just fine but they LOOK stringy.

    I've talked to some people in my area and they recommended a good stylist (who also has many good review on here), but I've been holding off thinking that maybe since I'm only a week into this it's something that will sort itself out.

    I'm still going to try and wait for my waves to adjust to their new life, but I'm so very happy to know this could be the problem and that it's fixable. I'll definitely write this down and bring it with me when it's time for my first CG friendly cut! :)

    Thank you so, so much! (btw red, I was looking at pics from your salon that were linked into the "wavy hair community" page right before i read this post and knew it was yours lol)
    2a-2c (depending on the day)
    Medium-fine texture, High density, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, APL.

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    What happens to you here is forever
  • bigredapmibigredapmi Posts: 229Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If she can, she needs to keep a solid "base" at the bottom and only start layering an inch or two up from the bottom perimeter. I hate seeing stringy ends from a cut on curly hair because the layering started too soon.

    I am SO GLAD I read this! I have yet to get a hair cut since going CG (It's only been 8 days LOL) but I noticed that my waves look so full and nice but the ends just look stringy. They aren't, they're soft (after a DT) and not split or anything... and they aren't straight like heat damage, they follow the wave pattern just fine but they LOOK stringy.

    I've talked to some people in my area and they recommended a good stylist (who also has many good review on here), but I've been holding off thinking that maybe since I'm only a week into this it's something that will sort itself out.

    I'm still going to try and wait for my waves to adjust to their new life, but I'm so very happy to know this could be the problem and that it's fixable. I'll definitely write this down and bring it with me when it's time for my first CG friendly cut! :)

    Thank you so, so much! (btw red, I was looking at pics from your salon that were linked into the "wavy hair community" page right before i read this post and knew it was yours lol)

    Rainy, ask any questions you have, anytime, and keep us up to date with your curly journey :)
    3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

    Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
  • MichellescurlsMichellescurls Posts: 81Registered Users
    How often should curlies be getting haircuts? Ive always gone to the same stylist, and she cuts my hair wet, but I've always been pleased with the cuts. I asked her last time if there was a different way she could cut around my face, because it was the same length as my top layers(which I told her I wanted to grow out, prior to finding this site) and just hangs down in my face, which I hate, so I always have to pull it back. She told me she couldn't do anything about it, so I just accepted that. Is she right, there's no other way to cut around the face, just the same as the other layers? I want to go back to get my hair cut shorter and layered. So I'm going to tell her to take my BSL hair to right below my shoulders, and put long layers in(it's pretty thick, so no thinning and long layers is best, right? Should I bring up about the hair around my face, even though she said she couldn't before? Or is there some way I could cut that at home? I'm scared o trying to 'fix' a cut, but would prefer to be able to... Any advice? :goofy:
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,355Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    a photo of your hair would help, but i believe there are always ways to frame hair around your face.
    why not look for photos of hairstyles showing what you'd like, then bring it to her??

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:curl junkie conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: curl junkie 
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    How often should curlies be getting haircuts? Ive always gone to the same stylist, and she cuts my hair wet, but I've always been pleased with the cuts. I asked her last time if there was a different way she could cut around my face, because it was the same length as my top layers(which I told her I wanted to grow out, prior to finding this site) and just hangs down in my face, which I hate, so I always have to pull it back. She told me she couldn't do anything about it, so I just accepted that. Is she right, there's no other way to cut around the face, just the same as the other layers? I want to go back to get my hair cut shorter and layered. So I'm going to tell her to take my BSL hair to right below my shoulders, and put long layers in(it's pretty thick, so no thinning and long layers is best, right? Should I bring up about the hair around my face, even though she said she couldn't before? Or is there some way I could cut that at home? I'm scared o trying to 'fix' a cut, but would prefer to be able to... Any advice? :goofy:

    Maybe bigredapmi will chime in. I've gone to my stylist for 30+ years. When I wore my hair longer, he always cut face framing pieces. Now that it's in a chin length, inverted bob--my face framing pieces are the longest.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • RainyDayWavesRainyDayWaves Posts: 162Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Okay, I went a little overboard on the gel yesterday (hot and humid), so last night I did a low-poo with AOHR and a RO with AOHR. Then I put in a pea sized amount of DC One to de-tangle. Got it about 90% dry and did samples for my hair analysis (Live Curly Live Free - Hair Analysis). Then went to bed. This is my (mostly) naked hair this morning. It's soft and silky and frizzy, but the ends still look scraggly to me (particularly in the photo from the back).

    Do you think this is something that will solve itself as my hair adjusts? Or do you think this might be a case of needing a stronger base? My hair was cut and layered when I was still wearing it straight, so maybe that's the problem?

    Any suggestions are welcome. thanks! :)
    2a-2c (depending on the day)
    Medium-fine texture, High density, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, APL.

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