What Should I Tell My Stylist?

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  • CurlyQMomCurlyQMom Posts: 203Registered Users
    I always come back to reference this thread - thanks Tiffany!
    Sulfate & Silcone Free since July 2009
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    Currently experimenting with Water Only Washing and dropping stylers

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  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    CurlyQMom wrote: »
    I always come back to reference this thread - thanks Tiffany!
    I'm thinking about expanding on it soon, especially to give advice on how to check on the new crop of "curly hair specialists" that have started popping up recently. I think our community needs to learn how to differentiate between someone who is serious about addressing the special needs of curly hair and someone who only sees catering to the curly hair community as a cash cow.
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • WurlyLoxWurlyLox Posts: 4,858Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'd never heard the term canopy applied to hair until I saw it in the Curly Girl book, but it makes sense to me :dontknow: - like the canopy of a forest or jungle.
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  • southerncurlsoutherncurl Posts: 20Registered Users
    Thank you for this wonderful post! I had an awesome Stylist for over 15 years that retired. I have been to at least 4 different stylist that realy do not have a clue how to work with curly hair. I've been more than willing to work with them and give them 2nd and 3rd chances with my hair but I haven't found a stylist yet that I am pleased with. The information here will be a big help when I consult with another stylist.
    Do this before you're in the chair. If a stylist will not listen, rolls her eyes, or you just feel she doesn't get it, WALK OUT. It's your hair and your money. Do not feel bad, you will feel worse when you don't like your hair.
    The absolute best advise! I have had stylist not listen or look totally perplexed when I have tried to explain that my hair responds to (and I can handle my hair better at home) roller sets with bonet hair dryers or air drying and not blow drying, flat irons and curling irons. They insist on using all that heat and my hair never looks right. I know better from many years of experience with my hair and it is totally my fault for not getting up and walking out.
    RUN FOR YOUR LIFE if anyone comes near you with a razor or thinning shears.
    Oh gosh yes! Once again I knew better and allowed myself to get talked into it. My former stylist never had to use a razor or thinning shears to get my hair to look great. One of the new stylist I tried insited that it was the only way to achieve a good cut on my hair. Guess what? My hair became so frizzy you could actually hear it make a horrible crunch noise when I attempted to run my fingers in it. I have been trying to grow it out for 6 months and I am sure it will be years before I get my hair back to the way it was before.
    Thank you again for such a great informative post.
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    CurlyQMom wrote: »
    I always come back to reference this thread - thanks Tiffany!
    I'm thinking about expanding on it soon, especially to give advice on how to check on the new crop of "curly hair specialists" that have started popping up recently. I think our community needs to learn how to differentiate between someone who is serious about addressing the special needs of curly hair and someone who only sees catering to the curly hair community as a cash cow.
    I couldn't agree more! We'd love some expanding on your original post Tiffany :)
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  • hatingmyhairhatingmyhair Posts: 15Registered Users
    Tiffany,
    I was hoping you can give me some advise. I have 3b blonde hair that is thinning fast-especially at my hair line temples area. I have went to the dermatologist and she told me it is due to stress (I recently had a baby and my husband lost his job so we are having major $ issues-well you get the picture). She recommended Rogaine for Women and Biotin vitamin; which I am going to start this weekend. However right now my hair is medium length (front -just past my shoulder blades and the back is at my bra strap), I have longer layers in it and like you said I don't think they were done correctly cause the ends look straggly. I want to get my hair cut shorter to get it looking better and hopefully fuller (I also figure that if the ends aren't straggly it won't get tangled as much and I won't end up pulling more out when I comb it). What kind of hair cut would you recommend and what should I tell my hair stylist when I get there? Any advise you can give me would be great. I have always worn my hair longer cause the shorter it is the curlier it is. Please any help or advise would be great. I am 31years old and extremely self consious about my thinning hair.
  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Posts: 355Registered Users
    My hairdresser always says she's just going to cut it so its not so "bushy" and then the layers end up too short. Any suggestions appreciated.
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • AsLckyGrlAsLckyGrl Posts: 188Registered Users Curl Neophyte
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  • pprMACHEheartpprMACHEheart Posts: 1,665Registered Users
    This thread is awesome.

    I'm going to keep this in mind when I go get my hair cut in February.
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  • KarenRB53KarenRB53 Posts: 355Registered Users
    great thread...can we keep it going
    3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm hoping to be more available to answer questions going forward. My dad had some serious health issues last year and I was fairly well preoccupied with my family for most of 2010 as a result. Happy to say he is doing awesome and I should have lots more time to devote to all things curly in the future :)
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • AlexaAlexa Posts: 208Registered Users
    This is a great thread, I got here through a link from the UK Curlies site!
    I am getting my hair cut in a couple of weeks & am thinking of going for a shoulder length bob, what I'm wondering is what kind of layers should I ask for.
    My hair is somewhere between wavy & curly depending on its mood (2b/3a), collar bone length with long layers at the moment (about chin length when pulled down), I need a change as I feel my hair always looks a bit too messy & straggly these days, I fancy a more 'styled' look but don't want to straighten.

    Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

    I have gone to my current hairdresser for a few years now & she is quite good at doing more or less what I ask her as she knows I know my own hair pretty well.
    U.K curly

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  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Alexa wrote: »
    This is a great thread, I got here through a link from the UK Curlies site!
    I am getting my hair cut in a couple of weeks & am thinking of going for a shoulder length bob, what I'm wondering is what kind of layers should I ask for.
    My hair is somewhere between wavy & curly depending on its mood (2b/3a), collar bone length with long layers at the moment (about chin length when pulled down), I need a change as I feel my hair always looks a bit too messy & straggly these days, I fancy a more 'styled' look but don't want to straighten.

    Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

    I have gone to my current hairdresser for a few years now & she is quite good at doing more or less what I ask her as she knows I know my own hair pretty well.

    Here's a thread on curly bobs: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/general-discussion-about-curly-hair/70484-curly-bobs-unite-whats-like-about.html There are a lot of us who wear them. I'm going on three years with an inverted bob. It's the first time since I've worn my hair curly (about 25 years) that I feel that I have a style, so I know what you mean.
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  • AlexaAlexa Posts: 208Registered Users
    Thanks Kathymack, this is just what I need!

    Your bob looks great by the way & is making me feel inspired!
    U.K curly

    3A Curly Twirly.
    Golden brown (coloured to cover grey).
    Low poo: Dr Organic, L'Oreal Everpure.
    Conditioner: Dr Organic Argan Oil.
    Leave In: Aussie, Curl Harmony.
    Gel: Curl Keeper Original, Umberto Gianni.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Alexa wrote: »
    Thanks Kathymack, this is just what I need!

    Your bob looks great by the way & is making me feel inspired!

    Thanks. You can start out longer and go shorter as you desire. My hair isn't long enough to put into a ponytail, etc. It's not an issue for me because I usually wet and style every day.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

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  • strssmnkystrssmnky Posts: 51Registered Users
    This is a great thread! I'm getting my haircut this evening and feel I can walk in armed with the knowledge that I need to get a decent haircut now. I think it also helps that I'm going to a salon that has been recommended on the board salond finder and same with the stylist. We'll see how that all works out.
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  • ElvishThistleElvishThistle Posts: 130Registered Users
    This is a great and super helpful thread! I'm going back to my stylist soon so now i'll know what to tell her. I like my cut (layers, wet cut) in general but I still have some bulky areas, especially by the face.

    Does anyone have any good 3a/b pictures of layered shoulder length styles? I always feel better armed with a lot of pictures. :)

    Eta: I found my old standbys to bring in so i'm just going to do that. Going in tomorrow for a cut. Nothing drastic just polishing up the layers. I'll be sure to mention the 45 degree angle thing though!
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  • RitaCelesteRitaCeleste Posts: 40Registered Users
    I've been thinned, hacked, you know had my hair butchered every way possible! This thread should be a sticky. I just had my hair flat ironed for the first time. I feel like I have no hair. Its not nearly as thick as I thought. Its been over a year since my last cut. The sides were way too short and I've been trimming the bottom off and waiting on them to grow in. Since I've been cutting out the layers and possibly the thinned stuff, I am looking less like Cousin IT. I tell them I want to keep the length, they layer it then cut it to bra length. (As if they can't possibly do anything longer.) They wonder why they see so little of me. It takes a year to get back to where I started! I so want a cool cut but this hasn't ever ended well except for on rare occasions. I am going to study this and see if I can get the guts to find and try yet another stylist. I've just been parting it in back and pulling over my shoulders and trimming it off straight at about the bottom of my bra strap in front. As the layered stuff gets cut and its thicker at the bottom, I think it looks healthier. There is no point or straggly hairs , its gently rounded. Maybe I should just keep this up until I'm getting the layered part out of the sides or it starts to look bottom heavy?
    Update: I cut myself some tiny bangs and I can go longer between finding a stylist now. My last haircut turned out so bad my sister suggested a smaller town and that I pay the stylist to cut a wig before letting her at my own precious hair!
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  • joelietzjoelietz Posts: 4Registered Users
    I've come away from a cut that took a least 3 inches off and still had split ends. What I'm wondering is could it be because of a dull pair of hair scissors, or technique? Or maybe my split-ends were up higher than I thought?
  • whatuaskwhatuask Posts: 74Registered Users
    I keep asking my hair-guy (here in china, all bets are off!) to THIN THIN THIN b/c it's so thick & bushy. I thought that would be good. NO???? Why no thinning shears? Please explain! Thanks!
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    Kristin
    -Mostly 3A, though wavy if not enough moisture (like when I lived in CO.).
    -High dew point gives large ringlets, though smaller & tighter coils at neck.
    -Med. texture, high density, normally porous?
    -sulfate free, silicone free baby!
    -searching for good stylers (but can't purchase living in China! must wait till summers to buy in US)
  • bluesheepbluesheep Posts: 300Registered Users
    whatuask wrote: »
    I keep asking my hair-guy (here in china, all bets are off!) to THIN THIN THIN b/c it's so thick & bushy. I thought that would be good. NO???? Why no thinning shears? Please explain! Thanks!

    bigredapmi explained that this will cause split ends and major frizz. She's right: last time I let anyone come near my 3b/a hair with thinning shears I ended up with antennae. :shock: Took FOREVER for them to grow out!
    3b/3a, medium porosity, slightly coarse, high elasticity, high density. CG 2004; mod CG since 2006. CG again since 4/1/11.

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  • FluffyZGigglerFluffyZGiggler Posts: 20Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I have a feeling I should get a cut soon, but it almost always ends badly. I finally found someone who could do it right, but she's was a family friend who recently we had a falling out with (ignoring the fact that she lives 4 hours away!). So now I'm asking for advice.

    1. I do sometimes straighten my hair, and every stylist I've been to tells me that I have to have my hair straightened for them to cut it. Obviously the heat isn't doing anything to my hair, so what should I say? Do I need to find someone that will cut my hair dry and curly?

    2. The hair at the nape of my neck is a lot softer and has significantly larger curls. My mom keeps wanting to chop it down really short so it doesn't hang low beyond the rest of my hair (there is like a 2" difference). Is this really a good idea, especially since I do straighten my hair (every other week or so)?
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  • whirlykurlywhirlykurly Posts: 23Registered Users
    ninja dog wrote: »
    This thread is wonderful! Thanks to all who thought of and/or participated in it.

    I second this. :)
    Hair type: Mixture of 3c/3b S waves with curls/ringlets at ends; shoulder length
    Current products-
    Cleanser: Carol's Daughter Tui shampoo (Once a week)
    Conditioner: Carol's Daughter Tui hair smoothie (Once a week)
    Leave in conditioner: Haven't found one that completely works for my hair (suggestions greatly appreciated).
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  • ArjaeArjae Posts: 412Registered Users
    This is exactly the kind of thread I was looking for. :) I'm planning to get a "real" haircut for the first time in my life. (Up till now I just trimmed the ends. Never had layers or bangs.)
    I wonder if it's realistic to ask for a haircut with layers that will still go into a ponytail, along with maybe one or two clips. I guess it doesn't hurt to ask.
    3A, medium fine. Currently avoiding shampoos, 'cones, 'xanes and sulfates. Hair length - a bit beyond BSL. Mostly CG since July 2, 2008.oregonian_showersmile.gif
  • jy11jy11 Posts: 19Registered Users
    Very rich son, can have a lot of reference.
  • DevushkaDevushka Posts: 1,080Registered Users
    A week from Saturday I'm scheduled to have my very first curly cut from a stylist I saw recommended here on nc.com. He's had formal devacurl training and apparently has plenty of satisfied curly customers, but I'm still glad to know a little more about what I should discuss with him beforehand.

    (I just wish I'd ordered my hair analysis and product recommendations from curlwizard.com earlier so I'd have that info with me for my appointment as well. But then again, if he really knows his stuff perhaps it won't matter so much.)

    Very much looking forward to it!
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  • MidisurfMidisurf Posts: 88Registered Users
    Great thread but I'd feel really rude explaining to the stylist the techniques how to cut my hair! Like I'm telling them how to do their job, won't it patronize them?
    - Nate


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  • Morgan_AdcockMorgan_Adcock Posts: 2,573Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Well, the way I look at it is that you're paying someone to do a job for you, and it's not unreasonable to ask him/her to do the job the way you want it done. Some people don't deal well with that, but others respond quite well.

    In my own personal experience, as a nurse, if someone wants me to do something differently than normal, I'd much rather they tell me. If it's not something I'm able to do, it gives me a chance to talk with them about that, and hopefully sort that out. But if it's something I can do, that's out of the ordinary, I'd be sad not to be asked, as there'd be virtually no way I could figure out what they want if they don't say.
    Peace,
    Morgan

    Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
    CGing since July 2008
  • wavesandsmileswavesandsmiles Posts: 59Registered Users Curl Novice
    All the hairstylists I've been to use thinning shears on my hair!

    I didn't know it was so awful. Some of my haircuts turned out decent. The one bad experience was while on vacation. Went to a random salon, and they thinned out like 90% of my hair :O

    Can I just go to my regular hair salon and tell them NOT to use thinning scissors? Or will that just make the haircut turn out worse because the stylists are used to it...
    Because I've found a stylist that I think is pretty good. She takes her time, realizes that I *don't * have straight hair, and my haircuts have never turned out bad.
    But she uses thinning shears. :( And I wonder if my hair troubles are caused by that.
    CG since June 2011 :)
    2b/c, thick, medium/coarse, low-medium porosity
    full Chinese Canadian
  • EecenEecen Posts: 10Registered Users
    Great thread!

    Thank you StruttsWife
    Type: 3a/b/c
    Texture: Coarse
    Porosity: Low

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