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Poll: war or peace

~915~~915~ Posts: 519Registered Users
I have a big question and I think it's entitled to its own thread. It is conceptual and it's not about war in Iraq.

Do you believe that peace is the answer. Only love can conquer hate? By leading with peace, the world will follow slowly?


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Do you believe that war is a necessary evil? While it's sad, there is often no other choice? The end justifies the means?
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  • NetGNetG Posts: 8,116Registered Users
    Do you believe that war is a necessary evil? While it's sad, there is often no other choice? The end justifies the means?

    I'd say *at times* there is no other choice. But not often.

    At times such as ethnic cleansing, I would rather we step in than not, even at the risk of the brave folks volunteering for our military.
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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    I'm somewhere in between. Peace isn't always the answer-- for instance I believe that WWII was a justified war.

    But war isn't always the answer, either-- Iraq, for instance.
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  • GuardianBGuardianB Posts: 1,818Registered Users
    I believe that humans are animals and complex enough animals to have ideas and desires. That these 2 things are raw enough that they will always have differences and nature's "Survival of the Fittest" will in someway always play out.

    I believe war is our unfortunate reality of the human race.
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  • geekygeeky Posts: 4,995Registered Users
    I believe that sometimes there is no other choice.

    I do not equate that with the ends justify the means, though. The latter is too broad for my taste.
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  • mazeymazey Posts: 709Registered Users
    I would love to be able to say that I believe peace would do the trick, but I can’t. Sometimes war is a necessary evil (I am NOT referring to Iraq). Just imagine, what would the world be like without both World Wars?
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  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Too many shades of gray for me. :? Ideally peace, but, reality kicks in. Like NetG mentioned, how do you stop ethnic cleansing without war?
  • ~915~~915~ Posts: 519Registered Users
    These fundamental beliefs are really ingrained in us. It's really interesting to see how people are divided completely on the issue.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    I think these poll results are sad. I voted peace.

    However, I don't think we are in the right stage of human development for this to be a realistic goal.

    I do believe wholeheartedly that we have the capacity to achieve this reality.

    And that the only thing standing in our way is our underestimation of our own abilities.

    ETA: people cite WWI and II as an example of why war is necessary. I guess in the way I see it, our development as humans would reach such an advanced level that the events that lead to those wars wouldn't be happening in the first place.

    We are not the creatures we used to be, we are constantly growing an evolving. Unless we exterminate ourselves first [very possible], we'll get there. And the rate of our growth and development is accelerating.
  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    It would be wonderful if peace and love did it. It doesn't. As long as there are evil people in this world, war is inevitable... A necessary evil. Imagine the world if there had been no wars....

    Everyone mentions WWII but America would not even be a country had it not been for war. Sometimes there's no way to avoid it and all the love in the world won't fix it.
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  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    sfcurlee wrote:
    I think these poll results are sad. I voted peace.

    However, I don't think we are in the right stage of human development for this to be a realistic goal.

    I do believe wholeheartedly that we have the capacity to achieve this reality.

    And that the only thing standing in our way is our understimation of our own abilities.

    That's a really wonderful thought....

    Unfortunately though, I have to disagree that while "we" have the capacity to achieve this reality, there are lots of other things standing in our way besides underestimation of ourselves...
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    It's stunning how people lack imagination, hope and perspective.

    History is long people, long! Take a step back.
  • ~915~~915~ Posts: 519Registered Users
    GuardianB wrote:
    I believe that humans are animals and complex enough animals to have ideas and desires. That these 2 things are raw enough that they will always have differences and nature's "Survival of the Fittest" will in someway always play out.

    I believe war is our unfortunate reality of the human race.

    Not to pick on GB, but my father used to say that "Survival of the Fittest" was for animals without the sophisticated thinking abilities of humans. Our base, lizard brain is all about Survival of the Fittest, but we don't have to operate on that level. We have the ability to control ourselves and thereby diffrentiate ourselves from other animals.

    Our cerebral abilities also keep us from peeing in the street and eating nothing but candy all day.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    We have the ability to control ourselves and thereby diffrentiate ourselves from other animals.

    Our cerebral abilities also keep us from peeing in the street and eating nothing but candy all day.
    Amen.

    Thank you, this is part of what I was gettng at.
  • StormCloudCurlyStormCloudCurly Posts: 116Registered Users
    sfcurlee wrote:
    I think these poll results are sad. I voted peace.

    However, I don't think we are in the right stage of human development for this to be a realistic goal.

    I do believe wholeheartedly that we have the capacity to achieve this reality.

    And that the only thing standing in our way is our underestimation of our own abilities.

    ETA: people cite WWI and II as an example of why war is necessary. I guess in the way I see it, our development as humans would reach such an advanced level that the events that lead to those wars wouldn't be happening in the first place.

    We are not the creatures we used to be, we are constantly growing an evolving. Unless we exterminate ourselves first [very possible], we'll get there. And the rate of our growth and development is accelerating.
    I agree completely!
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  • mazeymazey Posts: 709Registered Users
    sfcurlee wrote:
    ETA: people cite WWI and II as an example of why war is necessary. I guess in the way I see it, our development as humans would reach such an advanced level that the events that lead to those wars wouldn't be happening in the first place.

    While that is a lovely thought, because I would love all of us to have evolved to that point, it hasn't happened yet. Until it does, war is a necessary evil.
    Madonna getting upset with her daughter for dressing too slutty is like Mr. T getting upset with his son for pitying too many fools.
  • ScarletScarlet Posts: 3,125Registered Users
    mazey wrote:
    sfcurlee wrote:
    ETA: people cite WWI and II as an example of why war is necessary. I guess in the way I see it, our development as humans would reach such an advanced level that the events that lead to those wars wouldn't be happening in the first place.

    Until it does, war is a necessary evil.

    It never will.
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  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    sfcurlee wrote:
    It's stunning how people lack imagination, hope and perspective.

    History is long people, long! Take a step back.

    I may be incorrect, but I am assuming that comment was directed towards me seeing as I had just posted after you. Imagination, hope and perspective, however noble and great, do not always work in the real world. Terrorists, evil leaders, whatever.. they really don't care how imaginative or hopeful you are.

    Peace is a very great thing, something we should strive for I would agree... But it will only work in a perfect world full of perfect people. That's sad, yes, but true.
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  • GuardianBGuardianB Posts: 1,818Registered Users
    GuardianB wrote:
    I believe that humans are animals and complex enough animals to have ideas and desires. That these 2 things are raw enough that they will always have differences and nature's "Survival of the Fittest" will in someway always play out.

    I believe war is our unfortunate reality of the human race.

    Not to pick on GB, but my father used to say that "Survival of the Fittest" was for animals without the sophisticated thinking abilities of humans. Our base, lizard brain is all about Survival of the Fittest, but we don't have to operate on that level. We have the ability to control ourselves and thereby diffrentiate ourselves from other animals.

    Our cerebral abilities also keep us from peeing in the street and eating nothing but candy all day.

    True. But yet people still pee in the street and eat their candy. Some of which tastes lke piss because we have that cerebral ability to do it, just because we will understand that it tastes like piss. Some find pleasure and uniqueness in the fact. Are you ready to think like them? Are they ready to feel like you?
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  • RheannaRheanna Posts: 2,614Registered Users
    Scarlet wrote:
    mazey wrote:
    sfcurlee wrote:
    ETA: people cite WWI and II as an example of why war is necessary. I guess in the way I see it, our development as humans would reach such an advanced level that the events that lead to those wars wouldn't be happening in the first place.

    Until it does, war is a necessary evil.

    It never will.

    ITA
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  • MarMar Posts: 3,003Registered Users
    What do you think? :wink:
    "what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"



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