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The Decline and Fall of Christian America...???

The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
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  • legendslegends Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    Best thing that could happen to this country. We need to keep gods out of politics.
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  • FreeCurlsFreeCurls Posts: 4,408Registered Users
    I was just reading that online.
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  • GoddessLalaGoddessLala Posts: 351Registered Users
    I saw this article this morning. Got to finish reading it before I can discuss.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    I'm more than OK with this.

    What does "Christian America" even mean?

    And did it ever even really exist?
  • M2LRM2LR Posts: 8,630Registered Users
    I am okay with this as well, but I think that this part of the article is good:
    Let's be clear: while the percentage of Christians may be shrinking, rumors of the death of Christianity are greatly exaggerated. Being less Christian does not necessarily mean that America is post-Christian. A third of Americans say they are born again; this figure, along with the decline of politically moderate-to liberal mainline Protestants, led the ARIS authors to note that "these trends … suggest a movement towards more conservative beliefs and particularly to a more 'evangelical' outlook among Christians." With rising numbers of Hispanic immigrants bolstering the Roman Catholic Church in America, and given the popularity of Pentecostalism, a rapidly growing Christian milieu in the United States and globally, there is no doubt that the nation remains vibrantly religious—far more so, for instance, than Europe.

    This paragraph is basically what I was looking for while reading the article.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Good pt
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    A post-christian America?!? Sounds delightful. I hope I live to see the day.
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    From Wikipedia:

    Theologically, most Pentecostal denominations are aligned with Evangelicalism, in that they emphasize the reliability of the Bible and the need for the transformation of an individual's life through faith in Jesus. Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.

    I can't say this bodes well, to my way of thinking.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    ninja dog wrote: »
    From Wikipedia:

    Theologically, most Pentecostal denominations are aligned with Evangelicalism, in that they emphasize the reliability of the Bible and the need for the transformation of an individual's life through faith in Jesus. Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.

    I can't say this bodes well, to my way of thinking.


    I think it bodes very well...for the end of christianity in America. As christian sects become more and more devout and entrenched in the literalness of the bible, they will lose the mainstream moderate christians. Once that happens, all that will remain are the extremists...who will become a joke (they sort of already are). The moderates would have gone on for many more generations, but it is the extremists who will make them not want to be known as christians any more.
  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    ninja dog wrote: »
    From Wikipedia:

    Theologically, most Pentecostal denominations are aligned with Evangelicalism, in that they emphasize the reliability of the Bible and the need for the transformation of an individual's life through faith in Jesus. Pentecostals generally adhere to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy, believing that the Bible has definitive authority in matters of faith, and adopt a literalist approach to its interpretation.

    I can't say this bodes well, to my way of thinking.


    I think it bodes very well...for the end of christianity in America. As christian sects become more and more devout and entrenched in the literalness of the bible, they will lose the mainstream moderate christians. Once that happens, all that will remain are the extremists...who will become a joke (they sort of already are). The moderates would have gone on for many more generations, but it is the extremists who will make them not want to be known as christians any more.

    Honestly, I think that's wishful thinking. Every weekend, I note the half-empty parking lot of the Episcopalian church I attend on the occasional holiday, versus the packed-to-the-gills Pentecostalist palaces occupying vast tracts of countryside.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    yeah, I think the numbers of us (extremists) are increasing.
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    A pox on thee, Phoenix! Get thee to a nunnery.

    Just kidding. But you knew that, right?
  • CynaminbearCynaminbear Posts: 4,476Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    yeah, I think the numbers of us (extremists) are increasing.

    I can't tell. My church is growing, but it's transfer growth. I think the easy believism that has become popular in the mega-churches in my area are deceptive when it comes to actual numbers.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    ninja dog wrote: »
    A pox on thee, Phoenix! Get thee to a nunnery.

    Just kidding. But you knew that, right?

    Hee!
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    Okay. I don't want to tease too hard or offend you. Your religion is YOUR business.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    No, it's cool.
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    :flower:
  • legendslegends Posts: 3,073Registered Users
    M2LR wrote: »
    I am okay with this as well, but I think that this part of the article is good:
    Let's be clear: while the percentage of Christians may be shrinking, rumors of the death of Christianity are greatly exaggerated. Being less Christian does not necessarily mean that America is post-Christian. A third of Americans say they are born again; this figure, along with the decline of politically moderate-to liberal mainline Protestants, led the ARIS authors to note that "these trends … suggest a movement towards more conservative beliefs and particularly to a more 'evangelical' outlook among Christians." With rising numbers of Hispanic immigrants bolstering the Roman Catholic Church in America, and given the popularity of Pentecostalism, a rapidly growing Christian milieu in the United States and globally, there is no doubt that the nation remains vibrantly religious—far more so, for instance, than Europe.
    This paragraph is basically what I was looking for while reading the article.
    Well, ****. I'm nowhere near as optimistic as RCW on this. We're screwed.
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    Newsweek has changed formats and become pretty stupid/inflammatory. I wouldn't take its articles too seriously. A recent cover story was, "Lincoln versus Darwin." WTF??
  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I'm glad the pendulum is swinging. I grew up Catholic and attended Catholic school my entire life. Christianity today appears to be more narrow minded and conservative than it ever was when I was growing up in the 70s. In fact, I was taught to be inclusive, rather than exclusive. Modern conservatism is completely foreign to me and it scares me when political parties and legislation equate with religious affiliations.
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    mrspoppers wrote: »
    I'm glad the pendulum is swinging. I grew up Catholic and attended Catholic school my entire life. Christianity today appears to be more narrow minded and conservative than it ever was when I was growing up in the 70s. In fact, I was taught to be inclusive, rather than exclusive. Modern conservatism is completely foreign to me and it scares me when political parties and legislation equate with religious affiliations.


    It is scary! It should scare all of us. It's a violation of one of the founding tenets of our democracy. :usa2:
  • sew and sewsew and sew Posts: 3,443Registered Users
    As a Christian who believes the bible is fully true, I have a lot of doctrinal differences from a pentecostal. It's not even a matter of interpretational differences, unless one of us is being intellectually dishonest, but rather differences in light of straightforward, true to the original Greek and Hebrew passages.

    In times past people have thought the "end times" might be upon them and were obviously wrong. I've been hesitant to call this era close to or the end because of that, yet a lot of factors are present together that have NEVER been before. In the end believers will be few and scattered according to the bible. Many are under the mantle of Christianity, in name but not truth, and when the going gets tough, and it will soon it seems, they'll abandon it.

    I might sound like a freak for having my convictions and this sense of things, but I don't believe it's right to force that view or a related view onto another. It doesn't make me militant in any sense, but having these beliefs will and are becoming synonymous with blighting human progress, and so they'll be hated.

    The following passage speaks more to the inner state of man, but what's also interesting and compelling right now is how world history is unfolding in a prophetic way. The system spoken of in the book of Revelation in the NT and prophecy in the OT was before we even had the technological and logistical foundation for it. Politics and practicality is encouraging it right now. There's a movement to build the temple in Jerusalem (G.W. signed onto it), and the impetus for more of a global order while a brokering of peace in the fashion mentioned in the middle east is nearer than it has been. If the bible is empty and void, it would just be highly coincidental these aspects of history-events and societal circumstances, unfold under a prophesied dynamic.

    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.

    People have been sinners since the dawn of time, but that dynamic will abound, in light of the gospel going out in the world. It's also interesting that Christ said "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

    and "many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

    That last part (bolded above) is what seems to be going on in our element, and for the most part, globally. Having the form of being of Christ while actually effectively denying him...not outright but due to deception. Throughout the ages unsound doctrine has been proclaimed and used oppressively, and people have voluntarily connected to it too. But when the light pretty much goes out-what has bearing is false but it's not oppressed upon others (like the Church of England's rule) but just what is connected to, like the mega churches furtherance of the prosperity gospel, that describes now. That's the biblical falling away, independent of external circumstances like existing under the oppression and spread of Roman Catholic rule, but light going out over the heart of men.
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  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    I'm gonna go with, "Wheee!!"

    I'm all for a decline. Post? Yeah, that'd be cool and all, but I'll settle for a decline.
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    Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
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  • EilonwyEilonwy Posts: 12,389Registered Users
    The prominence of religion always swings back and forth.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    Eilonwy wrote: »
    The prominence of religion always swings back and forth.

    Yeah, I can remember when it started to swing in this direction in the first place — it was about 15 years ago. I read an article that said this always happens, throughout history.

    They said it would last about 15-20 years, so there you go. Now we go the other way. Then we'll come back again. Rinse. Repeat.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    In times past people have thought the "end times" might be upon them and were obviously wrong. I've been hesitant to call this era close to or the end because of that, yet a lot of factors are present together that have NEVER been before. In the end believers will be few and scattered according to the bible. Many are under the mantle of Christianity, in name but not truth, and when the going gets tough, and it will soon it seems, they'll abandon it.


    I've thought about this too. And I've heard the same things. But I have no way to verify most of it. I keep thinking back to catastrophies of one sort or another throughout history and wondering if people were saying the same things then, e.g., the Black plague, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the African slave trade.
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  • godot_curlgodot_curl Posts: 91Registered Users
    People, PLEASE! Newsweek cannot be taken seriously anymore as a in depth news source! I swear, I picked up that thing and saw ads for ice cube trays shaped like cats or something.
    Rupert Sheldrake said that the more people move away from tradition and organized religion, the more the government winds up making laws that try take it's place. (It was in a book called "A Glorious Accident". He has a web site...)
    And no I am not for ANY religion ruling a country via a theocracy.