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New DevaCurl One Condition ingredients

GretchenGretchen AdministratorPosts: 8,423Administrators, Moderators Administrator
Hey everyone! I know there have been some questions swirling around the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]Deva One Condition[/buylink] products and some ingredient changes.

We've been unable to pinpoint an exact date, but approximately a year ago, Deva changed the formula in their One Condition products. They wanted to use up their old labels, so the labels on the reformulated product still have the old ingredients listed.

The new ingredient list for [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]DevaCurl One Condition[/buylink] is:

Water (Aqua), Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Glycerin, Glycol Distearate, Cetyl Esters, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Oleo Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Melissa Officinalis (Balm Mint) Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus (Lemongrass) Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricia) Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Extract, Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract, Propylene Glycol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance (Parfum).

Deva is still working to get us ingredients for [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-One-Condition-p-467.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-one-condition]DevaCare One Condition[/buylink]; we'll post those the minute we get them.

Bottom line: no parabens or silicones in either product.

Thanks for your patience as we sort this out!

Gretchen
NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
3A

You are beautiful!
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  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,083Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    does this mean the devacurl and devacare one c sold as of right now in curlmart have the new formula? will the curlmart site reflect that, showing 'no parabens, no cones?'

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Posts: 8,423Administrators, Moderators Administrator
    Yes, what we have in CurlMart have the new formula. CurlySuzy is adding the correct tags right now! Thanks for reminding us of that.

    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,083Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    thank you!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    I wasn't sure whether I should start a thread on this but I e-mailed Shari about the St Up and Above which used to be called Set Me UP. It's been changed it from a pomade to a versatile styler for maximum hold. It spreads more easily when applied to wet hair, just like AnGel.

    I did notice that it felt lighter then the sample of SMU that I rec'd. I haven't tried it on Wet hair I've still been using it as a Pomade myself :dontknow:

    Also depending on your own nose, the scent has been taken down A LOT at least with the batches of One-C and Set Up that I rec'd. I happened to love the scent so I'm a little disappointed that it's not as strong.......


    ETA: as per Shari this can be mixed with Angel or Used on top for extra hold
    Discovered CG 2007

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  • nellynelly Posts: 20Registered Users
    "Deva is still working to get us ingredients for [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-One-Condition-p-467.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-one-condition]DevaCare One Condition[/buylink]; we'll post those the minute we get them."

    What about the ingredients in no-poo, low-poo, angell, set me up...all of these have either or both cones and parabens.

    First they say that they changed their ingredients in Jan '09, now it's sometime last year. If it was sometime last year, why on earth does it take them so long to get back on their ingredients. You think they'd know by now.

    Sorry to hear that the new ingredients are in the bottles with the old labels. I was wondering why my scalp itched like crazy. Sadly it is one of the new ingredients in One C...

    I just would like to know what is in everything else to see if I'm going to have the same problem. I hope they pull it together soon.
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,083Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    you know, not taking any bets here, but i would not be surprised if none of this actually happened. a 'miscommunication' 'somewhere along the line....'
    and so it goes....

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Posts: 8,423Administrators, Moderators Administrator
    We will absolutely work to get current ingredient lists for all the Deva products.

    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!
  • GretchenGretchen Administrator Posts: 8,423Administrators, Moderators Administrator
    Hi everyone!

    We chatted again with a very knowledgeable source at Deva and she helped us craft this note, so we know it's got accurate information.

    The formulation in [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]DevaCurl One Condition[/buylink] has changed, and is available for sale at CurlMart and at other retailers. The packaging, however, is not yet accurate, though it will be soon. The correct ingredients can be found listed in CurlMart. Deva will begin shipping [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]DevaCurl One Condition[/buylink] with the updated packaging in May.

    The formulations of other Deva products are being changed, but these new silicone- and paraben-free formulas formulations have not yet reached consumers. This process will take several months. NaturallyCurly will continue to keep you posted as Deva moves forward in the process of removing silicones and parabens from all its products. Additionally, going forward, Deva will ensure that accurate labels are on all of its products. So when the formula in the bottle changes, the label will also change, at the same time.

    We also asked Deva why they kept the old labels on [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]DevaCurl One Condition[/buylink], despite the formula change. They said:

    “Deva decided to use existing packaging (labels, bottles & components) to avoid delaying the introduction and availability of the newly formulated silicone- and paraben-free Deva Curl One Condition as well as to avoid packaging waste. Moving forward, Deva has implemented transition procedures to make sure the new packaging coincides with any new silicone and paraben-free formulations.

    We apologize for the confusion and are committed to doing a better job in the future. We appreciate your faith in Deva and your patience while we work on bringing exciting new silicone- and paraben-free products to you. “

    Gretchen
    NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
    3A

    You are beautiful!
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Gretchen, I feel badly that Deva has put you and the other wonderful, supportive people at nc.com in the middle of this debacle. You really do your best to support us curlies. At this point, I feel that saying "a very knowledgeable source at Deva" is an oxymoron!
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    Gretchen, I feel badly that Deva has put you and the other wonderful, supportive people at nc.com in the middle of this debacle. You really do your best to support us curlies. At this point, I feel that saying "a very knowledgeable source at Deva" is an oxymoron!

    Well said kathymack.

    I would also like to add that even with this "new" info, we really haven't learned anything. The Deva source does not address definitively when the One Condition formula change took place and further, how is a customer to know which formula they have if they purchased One Condition during this very murky transition phase.
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  • darcurldarcurl Posts: 586Registered Users
    yes why does this deva act so mysterious. why does not the founder just speak out. she must be ashamed, must have taken the low road to quick products and money making. she releases a book, gathers fame, but does not relate firsthand to the people, as if she has a heavy conscious that she is afraid to show. i think deva products are great. other than their old a-cone. but i wouldn't buy a product that is said to have a set of ingredients that isn't said on the bottle itself. i read on jillipoo's blog, that the curl junkie founder speaks out on her products, and i think miss massey has done the industry incredible relief, with her book and innovative styling and techniques. so no one is aboslutely complete everywhere, she did hers, others did theirs, she is still wonderful.
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  • Curly and SweetCurly and Sweet Posts: 22Registered Users
    I must admit I was waiting for some type of response from Deva b/c I like their products and didn't want to change. It took me a long time to find something that works on my hair but I couldn't keep using a product if I didn't know what was in it. I wish they were allowed to post directly to a thread. I am glad to learn - thanks Gretchen! - that all the other Deva products are properly labeled and that we now know the new ingredients in One Condition but disappointed as Misspam points out that we don't have a way to know which One Condition we have. I will keep using Deva 'cuz it works for me and I am vain about my curls! (I hope people will forgive me - I am a good person and work for lots of good causes! I promise.) PS - Am relatively new to the site - lurking a while but just posting today, have not read CG but do know about the No Poo movement. PPS - How do you ad your hair type etc to the bottom of your posts? I am 3b - have only used the products in the Deva trial kit so far...
  • desert flowerdesert flower Posts: 188Registered Users
    Am I the only one disturbed by selling a product that contains a different set of ingredients than what the list of ingredients specify???

    I really had thought that was illegal, but I guess not...

    This has really made me NOT trust Deva and what they put in their products even though I have loved their stuff so far...but if they are trying to save a quick buck by using old lables, I wonder about their ethics, in general. As one poster already mentioned, her scalp itched because of a new ingredient that wasn't listed. I am assuming she wouldn't have bought the product had she known. That just makes me feel that Deva is not concerned with the safety and comfort of their clients.

    Seriously, I am sure that the idea for a new formula didn't change overnight, so why weren't they prepared for this? More than that, why all the shadiness??
  • jwill112876jwill112876 Posts: 205Registered Users
    Desert,

    HAHA!!! If you only knew the firestorm this new information has started. No hun, you are not the only person who has concerns about this whole labeling business. If you look at the thread about the Deva Challenge, there are 13 pages (at last count) about this very subject. Jillipoo has actually had some communication with Lorraine Massey in regards to this matter. From what I can gather, the response she received was 'less than professional'...chatspeak, cheeky answers, and not much substance. Jilli was pleased that she got a response, but it gave little to no specific answers to the many concerns that have been raised here.

    Read the thread and you will feel better that you are not the only person who has raised the same question!

    Jenn :)
    CG since April09
    2b ~ regularly
    2c ~ on a 'good' day
    Deva Products for Challenge
    co-wash ~ Suave coconut
    condish ~ BLCB
    style ~ JCRR & JCCC & BRHG
    clarify ~ BS rinse & ACV

    :love7:Currently jones-ing for KCCC & KCKT:love7:

    :wav:
  • desert flowerdesert flower Posts: 188Registered Users
    Desert,

    HAHA!!! If you only knew the firestorm this new information has started. No hun, you are not the only person who has concerns about this whole labeling business. If you look at the thread about the Deva Challenge, there are 13 pages (at last count) about this very subject. Jillipoo has actually had some communication with Lorraine Massey in regards to this matter. From what I can gather, the response she received was 'less than professional'...chatspeak, cheeky answers, and not much substance. Jilli was pleased that she got a response, but it gave little to no specific answers to the many concerns that have been raised here.

    Read the thread and you will feel better that you are not the only person who has raised the same question!

    Jenn :)


    Hahaha! Okay, I didn't even look at the other threads and I was sitting there staring at the computer thinking I had lost my mind! I was starting to wonder if they put something in the formula (new/old/who knows?) that drugged people into following them no matter what....
  • jwill112876jwill112876 Posts: 205Registered Users
    :)

    They may wish they found that drug after this mess! It has cause major questions about the integrity of their line of products and the company in general.

    While I thing this whole discussion started out innocently enough, it has opened up the proverbial can of worms!!


    Jenn :)
    CG since April09
    2b ~ regularly
    2c ~ on a 'good' day
    Deva Products for Challenge
    co-wash ~ Suave coconut
    condish ~ BLCB
    style ~ JCRR & JCCC & BRHG
    clarify ~ BS rinse & ACV

    :love7:Currently jones-ing for KCCC & KCKT:love7:

    :wav:
  • Curly and SweetCurly and Sweet Posts: 22Registered Users
    Although I wish there were a drug that would make me follow along more often without questioning (as do my boyfriend & coworkers) because it would make my life ALOT easier, I tend to be a reader & (over)analyzer. I don't see this as a "whole can of worms" - I see it as a "mislabeled bottle of product".

    I tell the teens I work with to admit they made a mistake and then correct it. I think Deva admitted that the new One Condition was mislabeled, shared the new ingredients, and now promised to properly label all future changes in products/formulas.

    Did they make a stupid (dangerous for people with allergies!) mistake/decision - yes! Are they the most evil company on the planet? I like to think not b/c I like their message about curl & self love and if they are bad I have to stop using their products.

    Okay - so I will stop being all "kumbaya/peace & love" now and go read the thread about which towels to use b/c now I'm reading that regular towels are bad and I don't have any old t-shirts to use! I need to stop reading all these threads... but I do love having found this whole community of people who love & value their curls. ;-)
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Although I wish there were a drug that would make me follow along more often without questioning (as do my boyfriend & coworkers) because it would make my life ALOT easier, I tend to be a reader & (over)analyzer. I don't see this as a "whole can of worms" - I see it as a "mislabeled bottle of product".

    I tell the teens I work with to admit they made a mistake and then correct it. I think Deva admitted that the new One Condition was mislabeled, shared the new ingredients, and now promised to properly label all future changes in products/formulas.

    Did they make a stupid (dangerous for people with allergies!) mistake/decision - yes! Are they the most evil company on the planet? I like to think not b/c I like their message about curl & self love and if they are bad I have to stop using their products.

    Okay - so I will stop being all "kumbaya/peace & love" now and go read the thread about which towels to use b/c now I'm reading that regular towels are bad and I don't have any old t-shirts to use! I need to stop reading all these threads... but I do love having found this whole community of people who love & value their curls. ;-)

    Unfortunately, this is not the first experience many of us have had with Deva Concepts and deplorable customer service. Last year, there were issues when the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-DevaFuser-Kit-p-913.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devafuser]DevaFuser[/buylink] was released separately from the DevaSun Dryer. Here's just one thread:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=38480&highlight=DevaFuser

    If you are comfortable with the way they do business, it's your choice whether or not you buy their products. Since this is one more example of how they do business, many people won't.

    BTW, I've been told by a few people in the business that it's not legal to use the old labels.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,083Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    it would be sooo very interesting to analyze a bottle of one condition from curlmart that deva claims has the new formula.
    a fantasy, of course.
    just saying i'm not sure i believe what they say. and the truth is, we'll never know.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    Although I wish there were a drug that would make me follow along more often without questioning (as do my boyfriend & coworkers) because it would make my life ALOT easier, I tend to be a reader & (over)analyzer. I don't see this as a "whole can of worms" - I see it as a "mislabeled bottle of product".

    I tell the teens I work with to admit they made a mistake and then correct it. I think Deva admitted that the new One Condition was mislabeled, shared the new ingredients, and now promised to properly label all future changes in products/formulas.

    Did they make a stupid (dangerous for people with allergies!) mistake/decision - yes! Are they the most evil company on the planet? I like to think not b/c I like their message about curl & self love and if they are bad I have to stop using their products.

    Okay - so I will stop being all "kumbaya/peace & love" now and go read the thread about which towels to use b/c now I'm reading that regular towels are bad and I don't have any old t-shirts to use! I need to stop reading all these threads... but I do love having found this whole community of people who love & value their curls. ;-)

    Unfortunately, this is not the first experience many of us have had with Deva Concepts and deplorable customer service. Last year, there were issues when the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-DevaFuser-Kit-p-913.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devafuser]DevaFuser[/buylink] was released separately from the DevaSun Dryer. Here's just one thread:

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=38480&highlight=DevaFuser

    If you are comfortable with the way they do business, it's your choice whether or not you buy their products. Since this is one more example of how they do business, many people won't.

    BTW, I've been told by a few people in the business that it's not legal to use the old labels.

    Kathymack, thank you for posting this! I had almost forgotten about that incident. It certainly helps to establish a pattern of lousy customer service -- or worse yet, a disregard for the people who keep them in business.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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  • vikvik Posts: 11Registered Users
    So out of curiousity, I decided to call the FDA to find out what was legal regarding labels. I was told by an FDA representative that using inaccurate labels wasn't legal and that all products needed to reflect the correct ingredient list on the bottle or label. The person I spoke to was unaware of any FDA loophole that allowed companies to use old packaging in order to minimize waste.
  • NalliaNallia Posts: 2,979Registered Users
    I've never used any of their products but their sneakiness and other issue people have had with them has made me decide to never even consider using a single thing they make.
    "...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face." ~Harry Dresden

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  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    vik wrote: »
    So out of curiousity, I decided to call the FDA to find out what was legal regarding labels. I was told by an FDA representative that using inaccurate labels wasn't legal and that all products needed to reflect the correct ingredient list on the bottle or label. The person I spoke to was unaware of any FDA loophole that allowed companies to use old packaging in order to minimize waste.

    Good for you, vik! I was dying to do that but I didn't want to look like I've got some sort of vendetta against Deva ( because despite my blog postings and my forum postings, I really do not!). I'm glad you made that effort, as I'm sure many of us are
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fjillipoo.blogspot.com%2F" class="Popup
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo
  • desert flowerdesert flower Posts: 188Registered Users
    vik wrote: »
    So out of curiousity, I decided to call the FDA to find out what was legal regarding labels. I was told by an FDA representative that using inaccurate labels wasn't legal and that all products needed to reflect the correct ingredient list on the bottle or label. The person I spoke to was unaware of any FDA loophole that allowed companies to use old packaging in order to minimize waste.


    Thanks so much for doing this! I knew it had to be illegal! After all, isn't one of the points of the ingredients label to warn people about ingredients to which they may be allergic??

    The more I think about this, the more upset I become with them...I mean, seriously...you risk people having allergic reactions to save on labels???
  • LisaF1163LisaF1163 Posts: 1,079Registered Users
    Although I wish there were a drug that would make me follow along more often without questioning (as do my boyfriend & coworkers) because it would make my life ALOT easier, I tend to be a reader & (over)analyzer. I don't see this as a "whole can of worms" - I see it as a "mislabeled bottle of product".

    I tell the teens I work with to admit they made a mistake and then correct it. I think Deva admitted that the new One Condition was mislabeled, shared the new ingredients, and now promised to properly label all future changes in products/formulas.

    Did they make a stupid (dangerous for people with allergies!) mistake/decision - yes! Are they the most evil company on the planet? I like to think not b/c I like their message about curl & self love and if they are bad I have to stop using their products.

    Okay - so I will stop being all "kumbaya/peace & love" now and go read the thread about which towels to use b/c now I'm reading that regular towels are bad and I don't have any old t-shirts to use! I need to stop reading all these threads... but I do love having found this whole community of people who love & value their curls. ;-)
    I completely agree, especially with the parts I bolded. I hardly think that this whole thing makes Deva "evil" or bad. I love their products, and I'm sure they'll get the labeling issues worked out. I just don't see it as that big of an issue, and I hadn't replied to any part of this discussion till Curly & Sweet's post, because I felt like I'd be the only one who felt that way. :flower:
    CG since 1/09. Protein and Mag Sulfate sensitive.
    Hair Type - 3A.
    Co-wash - Jane Carter Solution Nutrient Replenishing Conditioner.
    Low-poo as needed - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shampoo.
    Cond./Leave-In - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shea Butter Leave-In Conditioner.
    Stylers - Jane Carter Solution Condition and Sculpt; Beautiful Curls Curl Defining Gel.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    I just learned something interesting about hair care products and labeling from a person who has been in the business for years.

    Apparently, what Deva is doing with their labels is not unusual. In fact, it is standard (though the legality of it from an FDA standpoint is still a little murky). Whenever a formulation changes, there's a brief period when labels and contents are not in total alignment. Most companies just quietly go about this process, using up old labels until new ones are ready, etc. Sounds like it is a practice that the FDA turns a blind eye to...

    So, I don't think Deva is trying to pull a fast one on us, necessarily. They are probably just too naive to have kept their mouths shut about a practice that every other company undertakes quietly! (Please note that I am not endorsing any of these practices or defending anybody -- I am merely conveying the information that I learned from an industry insider.)

    Just further evidence that Deva *really* needs a good PR firm.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fjillipoo.blogspot.com%2F" class="Popup
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo
  • LisaF1163LisaF1163 Posts: 1,079Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »
    So, I don't think Deva is trying to pull a fast one on us, necessarily. They are probably just too naive to have kept their mouths shut about a practice that every other company undertakes quietly! (Please note that I am not endorsing any of these practices or defending anybody -- I am merely conveying the information that I learned from an industry insider.)

    Just further evidence that Deva *really* needs a good PR firm.
    So, not evil - just dumb. ;) Good to know, thanks!
    CG since 1/09. Protein and Mag Sulfate sensitive.
    Hair Type - 3A.
    Co-wash - Jane Carter Solution Nutrient Replenishing Conditioner.
    Low-poo as needed - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shampoo.
    Cond./Leave-In - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shea Butter Leave-In Conditioner.
    Stylers - Jane Carter Solution Condition and Sculpt; Beautiful Curls Curl Defining Gel.
  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    LisaF1163 wrote: »
    jillipoo wrote: »
    So, I don't think Deva is trying to pull a fast one on us, necessarily. They are probably just too naive to have kept their mouths shut about a practice that every other company undertakes quietly! (Please note that I am not endorsing any of these practices or defending anybody -- I am merely conveying the information that I learned from an industry insider.)

    Just further evidence that Deva *really* needs a good PR firm.
    So, not evil - just dumb. ;) Good to know, thanks!

    Dumb. Yes.
    3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
    CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
    CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
    CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
    GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


    Fotki password: chuckle
    Blog: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fjillipoo.blogspot.com%2F" class="Popup
    Twitter: nopoojillipoo
  • Curly and SweetCurly and Sweet Posts: 22Registered Users
    Lisa - thanks for jumping in I starting to think I was naive or one of the last people who still wants to believe the best about people (especially curly hair supporters).
    Jillipoo - I never thought you were against Deva - you have a lot of posts on a lot of threads and are always just trying to find out the truth.

    I think Deva is still a young company - didn't they just start from Lorraine & the salons? - vs. a big cosmetics corporation. So, like you - I think they need to get a PR department (and maybe a legal department). I kept wanting to email them (like you did) or even better - go to NYC!, and say, "Do you know what they are saying about you?! You need to respond!"

    Thanks for being on top of it (and sharing your "insider knowledge"). Hopefully, they will learn something from this whole crazy thing!

    (I don't mean to "keep their mouths shut" like the other guys - I mean the PR/labeling/allergies stuff!)
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    The new ingredient list for [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]DevaCurl One Condition[/buylink] is:

    Water (Aqua), Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Glycerin, Glycol Distearate, Cetyl Esters, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Oleo Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Melissa Officinalis (Balm Mint) Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus (Lemongrass) Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricia) Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Extract, Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract, Propylene Glycol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance (Parfum).


    Old ingredients:

    Aqueous Extracts of: Achilea Millefolium, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria), Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, Humulus Lupulus (Hops), Melissa Offcinalis (Balm Mint), Rosmarinus Offcinalis (Rosemary), Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Olive Oil, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Propylene Glycol, Trideceth-12, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methyl Paraben, Propyl Paraben, Fragrance
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
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