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Sulfates and skin: your opinion

lodylody Posts: 334Registered Users
(I know this isn't about hair, but I feel this belongs over here more than the off topic boards because it is about sulfates.)

So, most of the people on this board are CG--no sulfates on hair, because it's too harsh. But what's your opinion on sulfates for skin?
I've had very, very mild acne for a few years now (one pimple here or there... usually on my nose for maximum visibility of course :P), and recently I decided I might start washing my face with a special face wash for young skin, which I'm assuming means acne prone skin rather than dry. But I don't feel like it's improving my skin--actually, it might be making it worse! I heard that your skin might get worse before it gets better, so I thought I'd stick it out, but then I realized, I'm putting more sulfates on my skin than before to make it better, and at the same time putting none on my hair to make it better too--something doesn't sound right in that story!
Am I right in thinking I should stop using that face wash, or right in thinking it'll take a while to get better? Do you know of sulfate-free face washes (hopefully more the homemade kind, since I don't get most US brands)? Do you apply the same "no sulfate" rule to your body as to your hair?
3a in Paris
I use:
Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
High in glycerin conditioners
As much gel as possible
Testing out flax seed gel
Plopping, for around 30 minutes
Pixiecurl drying
Pineappling

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  • stormstorm Posts: 204Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Hey there,
    I had teen acne...Tried every facewash in the market from Neutrogena to Clearasil to any ordinary skin facewash..Nothing helped. Toners etc..all just worsened it. I discovered that the less you use on skin i.e your face, the better.

    Face washes clog pores..have you noticed they never rinse off completely..theres always some residue left..i think thats the culprit.So a year back i switched Neutrogena Transparent facial bars..The glycerin ones and Orginal formula kind..After a month's use my acne almost cleared up completely and if i did i get a few spots, they were small ones and didnt scar.
    There are other factors that do contribute to acne as well ..Because your skin is an organ..it lives on your blood. So your sugar intake etc should be watched.Too much sugar in the blood and fatty foods dont help skin.
    But do try Neutogena soap. It doesnt have sufates..uses the milder cleansers. And leaves skin feeling fresh,clean and breathy.
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drugstore.com%2Fqxp16679_333181_sespider%2Fneutrogena%2Ftransparent_facial_bar_original_formula_soap.htm" class="Popup
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextag.com%2Fneutrogena-soap%2Fsearch-html" class="Popup

    And to answer your original question, i think Sulfates over cleanse because theyre harsh..and therefore maybe tend to dry out skin, resulting in over-reaction of the sebum and oil glands..in turn worsening oily skin.
  • mandatoryfunmandatoryfun Posts: 878Registered Users
    Since I went CG about a month ago the sulfate/skin question has been kicking around in my head, too. I realized my acne wash has sulfates in it, opted to stop using it. My acne has cleared up considerably since then, but I still have a little bit. In any case, I think some people have tried the OCM method: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acne-forum.com%2Ftopic%2Focm-a-natural-face-wash-that-works-homemade" class="Popup. It's something that I'd like to try, I think.
    CG since 07/26/09
  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    I also cut out sulfates from skin care. Silicones and mineral oil as well actually (from lotions).

    I was kind of at a loss with how to clean my skin at first until I discovered the Oil Cleansing Method. I knew I had to try it because I reacted the same to that as I at first reacted to CG ("no way").

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theoilcleansingmethod.com%2F" class="Popup
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    When I saw original post, I was going to suggest OCM. I'm considerably older--but can't believe how well it's worked. I've been doing it since June '08. I go to a dermatologist on a regular basis for roseaca treatment. He says he's never seen my skin look better in the ten or so years I've been seeing him.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • LoloDSMLoloDSM Posts: 3,778Registered Users
    I also had acne-prone skin (15+ years of dermatologist's care). I quit using sulfates in my cleanser more than a year ago. Not only is my acne better, but my skin isn't red and irritated any more. I also don't have the same oiliness as I used to. I think the sulfates were irritating and over-stripping my skin which caused it to be more oily.

    I use PSF Skincare: www.psfskincare.com

    BTW, I quit using silicones in my moisturizers too. It was giving my cysts. My eczema also cleared up once I quit using sulfates and silicones.
    Loose botticelli curls and waves
    No silicones/no sulfates since March 2008
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 969Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I too use the Oil Cleanse Method, and I love it. My face doesn't get irritated at all. I started it at the same time I started CG. :D
    Started CG July 8, 2008 :)


    3[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Co-wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle or Trader Joe's Nourish Spa
    Rinse out: Ion Effective Care Treatment
    Leave-in/Styling: Alba Botanica leave in with Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner :love2: on top
  • lodylody Posts: 334Registered Users
    I'm curious about that OCM affair, but my skin is nowhere near bad enough for me to be willing to risk it just yet ;) Anyways, I will be stopping this new cleanser, you guys have confirmed what I thought. I actually don't use a facial moisturizer or anything, just a makeup remover, so really a little bit of my (simple, low ingredient, but not sulfate free) body wash is more than enough for my skin, I guess. xD
    3a in Paris
    I use:
    Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
    High in glycerin conditioners
    As much gel as possible
    Testing out flax seed gel
    Plopping, for around 30 minutes
    Pixiecurl drying
    Pineappling

  • mamapajamamamapajama Posts: 66Registered Users
    I've been cowashing my face in the shower when i wash my hair. I add a little dry brown sugar when i need to exfoliate. So far no problems but it might not be the best option. Im gonna look into the Oil cleansing..
    Brand new to CG - 3/16/09
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    before curly girl...
    I think I'm a 3A with 2A underneath.
    Trying to figure out my routine!

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  • CurlyminxCurlyminx Posts: 5,581Registered Users
    I have been using the ocm to wash my face. I wasn't really acne prone but I definitely get the occasional pimple. I started the ocm not because of my acne, but because of my hair and concern over the ingredients in the face wash and makeup removers. My skin feels great, looks nice, and is moisturized and not overdried ever.
    tumblr_mk2chrdnQe1qzwi58o1_500.gif
    Mix of 3s, thick, coarse, medium porosity

    Current hair styling technique: rake with a scrunch at the end. (works with my coarse hair)

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlymix%2F" class="Popup
    pw: curls

    Known HGs: KCCC, homemade fsg, honey
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    lody wrote: »
    I'm curious about that OCM affair, but my skin is nowhere near bad enough for me to be willing to risk it just yet ;) Anyways, I will be stopping this new cleanser, you guys have confirmed what I thought. I actually don't use a facial moisturizer or anything, just a makeup remover, so really a little bit of my (simple, low ingredient, but not sulfate free) body wash is more than enough for my skin, I guess. xD

    I don't think you understand what OCM is all about. You don't need to have acne prone skin to use it. It's a mild form of cleansing that really helps most skin. Before I started this, I was using the Burts Bees Orange Facial Cleanser. When I went back and looked at it--it was mostly oils. I think you'll find that's true of many gentle products.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • lazy loopslazy loops Posts: 8,792Registered Users
    lody wrote: »
    (I know this isn't about hair, but I feel this belongs over here more than the off topic boards because it is about sulfates.)

    There is a makeup/skin care forum. :thumbup:
    lody wrote: »
    So, most of the people on this board are CG--no sulfates on hair, because it's too harsh. But what's your opinion on sulfates for skin?

    I'm not CG, but I still don't use sulfates. I think the same rules can apply to skin. Detergents are stripping & drying.
    lody wrote: »
    Do you know of sulfate-free face washes (hopefully more the homemade kind, since I don't get most US brands)?

    I use Pure Skin Formula (Formulation?) for my face. I've seen an Aveeno cleanser that doesn't use sulfates. I'm willing to bet most brands in health food stores don't contain sulfates either.
    lody wrote: »
    Do you apply the same "no sulfate" rule to your body as to your hair?

    I'm getting there, slowly. This winter I switched a hand wash at one of the three sinks to a non-sulfate & used only that. I haven't had abnormal drying I always seem to get each winter with sulfate hand cleansers. It's too bad I have too much invested in sulfate types stocked up under each sink waiting to be used.

    And I haven't switched my shower gels/body washes because I also have too much invested in so many on a shelf waiting to be used. As such, my feet, which always flake, peel, crack in the winter, have suffered again, probably from standing in the cleanser remnants.

    But as the hand & body washes are used up I'll replace them with sulfate-free types.

    It also doesn't help that we have extremely hard water & don't have a softener system, & live in a high desert environment. :protest:

    I just wonder how many other people here have the same problem. :scratch:
  • lodylody Posts: 334Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    lody wrote: »
    I'm curious about that OCM affair, but my skin is nowhere near bad enough for me to be willing to risk it just yet ;) Anyways, I will be stopping this new cleanser, you guys have confirmed what I thought. I actually don't use a facial moisturizer or anything, just a makeup remover, so really a little bit of my (simple, low ingredient, but not sulfate free) body wash is more than enough for my skin, I guess. xD

    I don't think you understand what OCM is all about. You don't need to have acne prone skin to use it. It's a mild form of cleansing that really helps most skin. Before I started this, I was using the Burts Bees Orange Facial Cleanser. When I went back and looked at it--it was mostly oils. I think you'll find that's true of many gentle products.
    -nods- I do get that it's just a method of cleaning, it's just that everything I've ever tried on my skin made it more breakout-y (be it moisturizer, washes, toner, anything really), so I'm hesitant to try out anything on it, really. ... and I'd have to go hunting for that castor oil stuff, and test out all different mixes... we'll stick to the hair as experiment-land for now! (and I definitely see the way oil is good for skin, I've started using it as a hand moisturizer and I love it.)

    mamapajama, I love the logic of just cowashing your face xD After all, it's all supposed to be able to wash off with water if it's cg!

    lazy loops, I reallly wish I could find a sulfate free handwash. I wash my hands a lot (not ocd XD but I do...dirtying stuff I suppose? lmfao) and they are getting SO dry. I didn't have this problem when I lived in hawaii :( but I guess it's drier around here :P I tried hand creams, but they were just temporary fixes, and like I mentioned earlier olive oil is nice, but I can't carry around a bottle of it to rub into my hands all the time :P
    3a in Paris
    I use:
    Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
    High in glycerin conditioners
    As much gel as possible
    Testing out flax seed gel
    Plopping, for around 30 minutes
    Pixiecurl drying
    Pineappling

  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    lody wrote: »
    Do you know of sulfate-free face washes (hopefully more the homemade kind, since I don't get most US brands)? Do you apply the same "no sulfate" rule to your body as to your hair?
    I cleanse with a homemade face wash. Here's the link to my post with all the details.
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=68751
    I will never buy face wash again. I have used everything and this is the only routine that has ever helped me. I have been doing this for almost 4 months and it is still amazing to me :)

    I also cut out sulfates on my skin. I use Kathymack's soap bars to wash my body and I also have noticed that my eczema has gotten drastically better since I cut out the SLS. If I wont put it on my hair I don't want it on my skin either.
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • morrighumorrighu Posts: 707Registered Users
    I actually started making my own soap ages ago because "regular soap", shower gel, etc. all made me itch. Some things were worse than others, but since I started making my own soap, no more itchy skin.
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I actually stopped using sulfates on my body, then face, before stopping on my hair! :happy6: I still use a sulfate shampoo before coloring, but I'm going to be trying new samples of sulfate-free shampoos soon so I can stop that one too! :)
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] -- gone, but never forgotten.
  • CurliLocksCurliLocks Posts: 10,572Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    Forgot: I've actually been using a soap bar from kathymack on my face. Rosemary or lavender. I've used it for a couple of months and my skin has been great! :D
    SF Bay Area, CA * "The Angel-Goddess-Guru of Haircoloring" :D
    3b/c/a mix. medium texture, low porosity
    My Motto: Strand Test! some hair pics
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] -- gone, but never forgotten.
  • StarmieStarmie Posts: 6,679Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I stopped using sulphates in skin products years ago, like curliLocks - before I stopped using them on my hair. I did it because I have fairly dry skin and figured sulphates were just making it worse. I use an oil cleanser at night and a sulphate-free face wash in the mornings and my skin is fine. Never had problems with acne or pimples though, just dry skin and eczema.
    3b in South Australia.
  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    When I used to use sulfate shampoos before CG, I used to get breakouts all over my shoulders and neck.

    They mysteriously went away when I stopped using shampoo. Go figure.
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    When I used to use sulfate shampoos before CG, I used to get breakouts all over my shoulders and neck.

    They mysteriously went away when I stopped using shampoo. Go figure.
    I have had a lot less shoulder breakouts too come to think of it. Yay!
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • elissadelissad Posts: 268Registered Users
    Nearly my entire body is a sulfate-free zone. The only exception is my hands while I'm at school (clinicals and the like), and out in public bathrooms.

    Going sulfate-free was the best decision that I could have made. I have very dry skin and the use of regular soaps makes my skin very dry to the point that it's painful. I started not using sulfates on my body years before I decided to forgo shampoos. For some reason the idea that taking out soaps made my skin feel better, less dry, didn't transfer to my dry hair issue.
    mostly 3a/some 3b/2c at the nape
    med-coarse and porous
    Current routine:
    Cleansing: Co-wash with V05, JCCC
    Conditioners:AOHR
    Leave-in: KCKT
    Stylers: HESMU, Joiwhip
    Protein Treatment: Ion effective care treatment

  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,241Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    i think I'm pretty much sulfate free.
    I use OCM on my face and cleanse my body with the same CG conditioners I use on my hair. I also shave with conditioner. My usual winter-dry skin is much improved.
    I make my own face and body moisturizers out of oils, shea butter, etc.
    I make glycerine/olive oil/milk soaps for guests who might find it odd to wash with conditioners or oils. : )
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I like this idea of eliminating all sulphates. Can any of you recommend a sulphate free liquid hand soap and a sulphate free liquid dish soap?
    < member since 2006 (no idea where 1969 came from :toothy10:).

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  • lodylody Posts: 334Registered Users
    I'm hijacking my own thread to tell you guys about something awesome I figured out for carrying around oil to use as a moisturizer:
    an empty lipgloss tube! The kind with a flocked applicator. Now I warn you, it will take A LOT of dish soap and makeup remover and various skinny objects (I used a thick twist tie to get into all the crevices) to clean the lipgloss out, especially if your tube is nowhere near empty like mine was. And, make sure you pick a tube with a very good seal, unlike I did :P But it's GREAT. I can carry it around, apply it easily without having to get it all over my hands...
    I am pleased!

    I think I am going to check that none of the (one or two) creams I use have silicones, and possibly switch to using conditioner as a body wash, along with some sugar for scrubbing. I love having an exfoliator in my everyday body wash, I actually get comments on my skin's softness!
    For the face...maybe later. If all I needed was olive oil, I'd be all over it, but after doing the cg hair stuff hunt, I am not feeling like doing the castor oil hunt. ( I also KNOW I would not bother doing the whole wash cloth on your face until it cools thing regularly.)
    3a in Paris
    I use:
    Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
    High in glycerin conditioners
    As much gel as possible
    Testing out flax seed gel
    Plopping, for around 30 minutes
    Pixiecurl drying
    Pineappling

  • CurlyminxCurlyminx Posts: 5,581Registered Users
    I wanted to tell you that I wash my face with a bottle of sunflower/flax seed oil. It came together in the oil section of the grocery store. I don't use any castor oil. Since I don't really have acne, I worried it would dry my face out too much. As long as the oils are not comodogenic (or something like that) i think they are fine to use.
    tumblr_mk2chrdnQe1qzwi58o1_500.gif
    Mix of 3s, thick, coarse, medium porosity

    Current hair styling technique: rake with a scrunch at the end. (works with my coarse hair)

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fcurlymix%2F" class="Popup
    pw: curls

    Known HGs: KCCC, homemade fsg, honey
  • tctc Posts: 986Registered Users
    sulfates give me massive amounts of body acne so I avoid them. a few other ingredients irritate my skin too.
    I try to stick to ingredients that I would feel comfortable eating.
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,241Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    I use various oils on my face - jojoba, sunflower, safflower, hempseed. I usually mix a little castor oil in with the other oil, but not always.
    Castor oil is cheap and easy to find. It's in most grocery and drug stores in the medicine section, usually near the laxatives.
    And I don't do the washcloth part at all. I massage in the oils, wipe off with a tissue, then wash the rest off with conditioner.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • lazy loopslazy loops Posts: 8,792Registered Users
    Oh shoot, my mistake... the sulfate-free face cleanser isn't Aveeno, it's PhisoDerm.
  • lodylody Posts: 334Registered Users
    I use various oils on my face - jojoba, sunflower, safflower, hempseed. I usually mix a little castor oil in with the other oil, but not always.
    Castor oil is cheap and easy to find. It's in most grocery and drug stores in the medicine section, usually near the laxatives.
    And I don't do the washcloth part at all. I massage in the oils, wipe off with a tissue, then wash the rest off with conditioner.
    Well, my issue is that here only pharmacies have those medicine-y things--even plain old pain meds are only found in one. It's actually why I haven't tried the aspirin mask even though I'd really like to--I don't want to have to explain why I need the uncoated ones, please ;) (I don't enjoy having to talk to people to do my shopping, I like being free to look...I'm probably very american in that regard XD)
    Great to hear that the washcloth part is unneccesary, though, I might try it sometime then.

    tc, that's a pretty good concept actually, don't stick on yourself anything you wouldn't eat! Skin does absorb stuff after all.
    3a in Paris
    I use:
    Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
    High in glycerin conditioners
    As much gel as possible
    Testing out flax seed gel
    Plopping, for around 30 minutes
    Pixiecurl drying
    Pineappling

  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,241Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    lody wrote: »
    Well, my issue is that here only pharmacies have those medicine-y things--even plain old pain meds are only found in one. It's actually why I haven't tried the aspirin mask even though I'd really like to--I don't want to have to explain why I need the uncoated ones, please ;) (I don't enjoy having to talk to people to do my shopping, I like being free to look...I'm probably very american in that regard XD)

    I live in a small town and can't find a lot of things here so I just get stuff online and never set foot in a store sometimes (tho I do enjoy browsing the grocery stores for hair/face/body stuff). Almost all my oils other than castor were purchased on Ebay.
    --I'm located in Western PA.
    --I found NC in late 2004, CG since February 2005, started going grey in late 2005.
    --My hair is 3B with some 3A, texture-medium/fine, porosity-normal except for the ends which are porous, elasticity-normal.
    --My long time favorite products are Suave & VO5 conditioners, LA Looks Sport Gel, oils, honey, vinegar.
    --My CG and grey hair progress -- http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/going-gray/179328-jeepys-grey-hair-progress.html
  • pulchri2dinouspulchri2dinous Posts: 1,014Registered Users
    Laura Lee wrote: »
    I also cut out sulfates from skin care. Silicones and mineral oil as well actually (from lotions).

    I was kind of at a loss with how to clean my skin at first until I discovered the Oil Cleansing Method. I knew I had to try it because I reacted the same to that as I at first reacted to CG ("no way").

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theoilcleansingmethod.com%2F" class="Popup

    Is there a substitute for castor oil? I use this on my edges to make them thicker and I'd rather not have thick eyebrows...
    4, fine, low-medium density, low porosity


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