4a/b/c Hair Type

princess011princess011 Registered Users Posts: 13
Hi Everyone,

Thought I would come out of lurkdom to share a website with all the 4's especially the 4b's which I know it is a little bit of confusion about the pattern of the hair. I have been a member for a while but just would read the forum's and I have gained alot of knowledge on how to handle my hair from the wealth of information on this site.

I just wanted to give something back to the forum for those ladies who are confused about what 4B hair looks like. I found this site through helping a girl friend of mines who's daughter has 4b hair and she was having a tough time figuring out how to handle her daughter hair and what products to purchase.

It is basically a site for hair products but shows pics below. Have fun....:happy7:



http://www.tresses2die4.co.uk/page_1097517.html

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  • hippychichippychic Registered Users Posts: 4,673 Curl Neophyte
    thanks for sharing :)
    LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity:?, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Registered Users Posts: 15,402 Curl Neophyte
    Except for Macy Gray why are the other "type 4" women wearing weaves?
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  • princess011princess011 Registered Users Posts: 13
    hippychic wrote: »
    thanks for sharing :)


    You're welcome hippychic. :icon_smile:
  • princess011princess011 Registered Users Posts: 13
    Except for Macy Gray why are the other "type 4" women wearing weaves?

    Hi Suburbanbushbabe,

    Unfortunately, I really did not look at that. I was really looking at the texture of the hair. I have a girl friend who's daughter have 4B hair and her mom was having a tough time trying to maintain her hair and since I have been natural for 3 years she asked for help with her daughters. So I washed and styled her daughter's hair using the Curly Q products and that is when I noticed that her daughter's hair had a zigzag pattern to it.

    This prompted me to look for pictures so that I could show her mom what type hair her daughter had and this site is what I found and thought I would share with everyone. :)
  • froggibleufroggibleu Registered Users Posts: 19
    Except for Macy Gray why are the other "type 4" women wearing weaves?

    I am with you here. I don't like the photos that sites normally come up with for 4b women. I mean really, have we ever seen Beyonce's natural curls? Not as an insult but just as matter of fact truth, I do not think so. Who knows what type of hair she has.

    In addition, I think there is just way too much hair diversity to limit hair to groups and subgroups. I think in the 4 category there must be over 20 different types alone; no wonder why people are so darn confused! :dontknow:

    It is also quite amazing for me to see that 4a outnumber 4b by a longshot on any forum I've visited. Are there some other 4bs out there hiding or do we really have minority participation on hair forums? There's usually more activity under 4a groups because it seems like there are a lot more women who identify with that group. Hmmm. {wondering :happy3:}

    There are women with hair types similar to mine who identify with 4a. I think the reason for this is that the 4b type is defined by having Zzzs or zigzags. I do not know how accurate this is. I do not have zigzags or Zzzs but I still have predominantly 4b hair characteristics.

    All this diversity of hair is quite interesting.
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  • pulchri2dinouspulchri2dinous Registered Users Posts: 1,014
    froggibleu wrote: »


    In addition, I think there is just way too much hair diversity to limit hair to groups and subgroups. I think in the 4 category there must be over 20 different types alone; no wonder why people are so darn confused! :dontknow:

    It is also quite amazing for me to see that 4a outnumber 4b by a longshot on any forum I've visited. Are there some other 4bs out there hiding or do we really have minority participation on hair forums? There's usually more activity under 4a groups because it seems like there are a lot more women who identify with that group. Hmmm. {wondering :happy3:}

    There are women with hair types similar to mine who identify with 4a. I think the reason for this is that the 4b type is defined by having Zzzs or zigzags. I do not know how accurate this is. I do not have zigzags or Zzzs but I still have predominantly 4b hair characteristics.

    All this diversity of hair is quite interesting.

    You read my mind :hello1:
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  • QVCDivaQVCDiva Registered Users Posts: 1,329
    I gave my hair a classification when I joined NC and as my hair grows out from the TWA, I flip back and forth as to which type I think predominates. I personally think I have more 4b than 4a but my hair also doesn't fit the "angles" definition nor does it look like any hair that I've seen classified as 4b. The only time I seem to care what type it is is when my latent PJism surfaces and I want to try a new product so I look for a similar head of hair thinking that how my hair reacts may be similar to theirs, but my hair tends to march to beat of its own little drummer. Otherwise, I try not to get all caught up in the typing system. It would be nice to see more activity on the 4b forum.
    Last Relaxer: 09/19/08
    BC: 01/30/09
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  • lenax7lenax7 Registered Users Posts: 107
    I say I'm mainly 4b - because my hair does have zigzags - maybe I should post a picture to show everyone!

    I also say I have 4c - because in some parts the zigzags are slight, but my hair isn't quite straight either. The only useful thing about these classifications concerns tips about what products to buy / styling tips. But even then, what works for some may not work for you.
    Hair type: Type 4-beauty (4a/4b).

    Staples: (Qhemet rules!):
    Leave in conditioner / Daily mosturiser: Alma and Olive Heavy Cream.
    Former fave: Shea butter - (appears to be making my hair less thick - so I'm not too happy),
    Detangler (only need to use after shampoo): Cocoa tree detangling ghee.
    Shampoo: Aubrey organics Honeysuckle Rose Moisturising conditioner.
    Deep conditioner: Still searching...

    Hair hates: Natural oils of any kind.
  • froggibleufroggibleu Registered Users Posts: 19
    lenax7 wrote: »
    I say I'm mainly 4b - because my hair does have zigzags - maybe I should post a picture to show everyone!

    Please do! I don't think I've seen an example of that yet.
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  • froggibleufroggibleu Registered Users Posts: 19
    QVCDiva wrote: »
    IIt would be nice to see more activity on the 4b forum.

    Ditto!
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  • froggibleufroggibleu Registered Users Posts: 19
    froggibleu wrote: »

    All this diversity of hair is quite interesting.

    You read my mind :hello1:

    :lol:
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  • P.P.P.P. Registered Users Posts: 1,617 Curl Neophyte
    It seems that 4b/cnapp might tangle less, be easier to comb thru (with proper method of course) than 4a & 3c?

    is this true?

    also what is 4c? & where can i see good pictures?

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    I do think the LOIS and other descriptions make more sense than Andre's. ...Too many variables.
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  • QVCDivaQVCDiva Registered Users Posts: 1,329
    PrincesPresto,

    Here is the link to a site on cnap. I think 4c and cnap hair are the same.

    http://nappyme.wordpress.com/about-c...pymenow-today/
    Last Relaxer: 09/19/08
    BC: 01/30/09
    Misc: 1st time going natural was '94-'98; 2nd time - '99-2003; This time I will not go back to relaxers.
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  • mwedzimwedzi Registered Users Posts: 86
    I'm really disappointed in this chart when it comes to type 4s. 4a and 4bs are weaves and 4c is altered via stretching. Further, neither 4a nor 4b is what I would call them. 4a's curls are not loose like Bey's weave, and 4b doesn't form those perfect frizzless clumped Zs and hang heavy like in that weave pic. The only time I've even seen perfect Zs clumped like that is in a twist out. And once the hair is combed through and stretched as it is in 4c, it's really hard to get an idea of what the real texture is. That even looks like a loose twist out!

    OP, why not use the NC chart?

    QVCDiva, I chat often on the cnapp site. They mostly call themselves 4b, but I guess there are "4c" as well. More than "zigzag", cnapp is defined by the hair not really clumping into spirals or obvious curls. The "c" in "cnapp" means cotton or cloudy, for the appearance of the hair.

    PrincessPresto, there are a few members on the cnapp site that have an easy time combing their hair. These are the ones whose hair looks like it's always stretched even without them stretching it much. For the most part, I've never heard of 3cs who take very long to detangle their hair. For most of us, 1-3 hours is the norm.
  • lenax7lenax7 Registered Users Posts: 107
    It seems that 4b/cnapp might tangle less, be easier to comb thru (with proper method of course) than 4a & 3c?

    is this true?

    also what is 4c? & where can i see good pictures?

    ****

    I do think the LOIS and other descriptions make more sense than Andre's. ...Too many variables.

    I'm 4a/4b/4c and my hair used to be a B!*@&amp;* to comb! But now -its easier and pain free, if I use the proper tool, e.g. wide tooth comb and shea butter and if I need it qhemet detangling ghee!
    Hair type: Type 4-beauty (4a/4b).

    Staples: (Qhemet rules!):
    Leave in conditioner / Daily mosturiser: Alma and Olive Heavy Cream.
    Former fave: Shea butter - (appears to be making my hair less thick - so I'm not too happy),
    Detangler (only need to use after shampoo): Cocoa tree detangling ghee.
    Shampoo: Aubrey organics Honeysuckle Rose Moisturising conditioner.
    Deep conditioner: Still searching...

    Hair hates: Natural oils of any kind.
  • lenax7lenax7 Registered Users Posts: 107
    mwedzi wrote: »
    I'm really disappointed in this chart when it comes to type 4s. 4a and 4bs are weaves and 4c is altered via stretching. Further, neither 4a nor 4b is what I would call them. 4a's curls are not loose like Bey's weave, and 4b doesn't form those perfect frizzless clumped Zs and hang heavy like in that weave pic. The only time I've even seen perfect Zs clumped like that is in a twist out. And once the hair is combed through and stretched as it is in 4c, it's really hard to get an idea of what the real texture is. That even looks like a loose twist out!

    OP, why not use the NC chart?

    QVCDiva, I chat often on the cnapp site. They mostly call themselves 4b, but I guess there are "4c" as well. More than "zigzag", cnapp is defined by the hair not really clumping into spirals or obvious curls. The "c" in "cnapp" means cotton or cloudy, for the appearance of the hair.

    PrincessPresto, there are a few members on the cnapp site that have an easy time combing their hair. These are the ones whose hair looks like it's always stretched even without them stretching it much. For the most part, I've never heard of 3cs who take very long to detangle their hair. For most of us, 1-3 hours is the norm.

    I just have to say this - You are my hair idol! I love your hair so much and its really help me like mine even more - Your Fotki is great and give me 'hair strength' if you know what I mean because we have similar types! Thank you so much - you have been a great help with my transisitioning!
    Hair type: Type 4-beauty (4a/4b).

    Staples: (Qhemet rules!):
    Leave in conditioner / Daily mosturiser: Alma and Olive Heavy Cream.
    Former fave: Shea butter - (appears to be making my hair less thick - so I'm not too happy),
    Detangler (only need to use after shampoo): Cocoa tree detangling ghee.
    Shampoo: Aubrey organics Honeysuckle Rose Moisturising conditioner.
    Deep conditioner: Still searching...

    Hair hates: Natural oils of any kind.
  • violetmauvevioletmauve Registered Users Posts: 177
    I identify as 4a/4b. The 4a section is the most active hair section on this board.
  • mwedzimwedzi Registered Users Posts: 86
    lenax7 wrote: »

    I just have to say this - You are my hair idol! I love your hair so much and its really help me like mine even more - Your Fotki is great and give me 'hair strength' if you know what I mean because we have similar types! Thank you so much - you have been a great help with my transisitioning!

    Wow, thank you!:color:
    I identify as 4a/4b. The 4a section is the most active hair section on this board.

    4a is really active. I want to ask a question and hope I don't get e-beaten for it, but is it because 4a has become not only the section for people with 4a hair, but also because it's become the general "black hair talk" section? Please don't beat me.
  • lenax7lenax7 Registered Users Posts: 107
    4a is really active. I want to ask a question and hope I don't get e-beaten for it, but is it because 4a has become not only the section for people with 4a hair, but also because it's become the general "black hair talk" section? Please don't beat me.[/quote]

    I agree about the hair chat thing. Also, I didn't realise 4a/4b hair could get so long, until I saw your pics! Its really pretty!
    Hair type: Type 4-beauty (4a/4b).

    Staples: (Qhemet rules!):
    Leave in conditioner / Daily mosturiser: Alma and Olive Heavy Cream.
    Former fave: Shea butter - (appears to be making my hair less thick - so I'm not too happy),
    Detangler (only need to use after shampoo): Cocoa tree detangling ghee.
    Shampoo: Aubrey organics Honeysuckle Rose Moisturising conditioner.
    Deep conditioner: Still searching...

    Hair hates: Natural oils of any kind.
  • P.P.P.P. Registered Users Posts: 1,617 Curl Neophyte
    mwedzi wrote: »
    I'm really disappointed in this chart when it comes to type 4s. 4a and 4bs are weaves and 4c is altered via stretching. Further, neither 4a nor 4b is what I would call them. 4a's curls are not loose like Bey's weave, and 4b doesn't form those perfect frizzless clumped Zs and hang heavy like in that weave pic. The only time I've even seen perfect Zs clumped like that is in a twist out. And once the hair is combed through and stretched as it is in 4c, it's really hard to get an idea of what the real texture is. That even looks like a loose twist out!

    OP, why not use the NC chart?

    QVCDiva, I chat often on the cnapp site. They mostly call themselves 4b, but I guess there are "4c" as well. More than "zigzag", cnapp is defined by the hair not really clumping into spirals or obvious curls. The "c" in "cnapp" means cotton or cloudy, for the appearance of the hair.

    PrincessPresto, there are a few members on the cnapp site that have an easy time combing their hair. These are the ones whose hair looks like it's always stretched even without them stretching it much. For the most part, I've never heard of 3cs who take very long to detangle their hair. For most of us, 1-3 hours is the norm.

    I'm another fan of yours(from youtube), Mwedzi your hair is awesome!:love1:

    Okay, it seemed that the zigzags might be easier to detangle than penspring. The 1-3 hours is for long hair, right? I'm definitely 4 but right now mine is only maybe 6-8 inches pulled taut. ...I don't take that much detangling time OTOH I might be doing something wrong.:lol:

    I don't know really re: the thread/forum activity, I just started posting here.

    I'm also trying to figure out if there's truly a huge & significant difference in care from say Andre sys.T3 to T4 (in my household there really isn't) or if it's more of a mind & acceptance thing for 4s.

    What I'm trying to say is that I'm trying to figure out how much I need for hair health, length retention and how many of the steps and tricks are for variety, change.

    Also questioning how much of that (the styling) is just for looking cute etc. and how much is still some residual shame and trying to lessen or tame 4ness?
    ***

    I agree about the photos...totally wrong.. I realize that there might not be many spot on, identical hair twins (my closest so far is cynthiarf on ytube but still not exactly the same) but yah, those pictures are:sad1:.
    True realism consists in revealing the surprising things
    which habit keeps covered and prevents us from seeing.
    - Jean Cocteau

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