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Calling All the Long-Haired Wavies

MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users
Hey everyone! My hair is about 2-3 inches away from my tailbone and it's been getting less wavy as it grows longer. If I add product to wet hair and let it air dry undisturbed for the rest of the day it has a loose, weak wave pattern. The water weighs it down I guess? I tried diffusing with a little leave-in and lots of mousse and it didn't do much then (stringy, limp, almost-straight waves).

The only way I can get a good wave in my hair is by...

1. Braiding damp hair with a leave-in (gel/mousse too if I want less frizz) at night and taking it out in the morning (this lasts all day and longer)

2. Putting my hair in a ponytail while damp at night with leave-in and taking it out in the morning (good 2a waves with so-so clumping so I need to comb it out)

3. Combing dry hair for less tangles/frizzies and better clumps, then putting little bit of water on the canopy, scrunching, then adding gel. 2a and sometimes 2b, this comes out the best for me.

I'm sometimes unsure if my hair is still naturally wavy or just pliable. It takes forever and a day to dry. I found some low-maintenance ways to style my hair, but I'm wondering if there's a better way.

What do you long-haired wavies do to style your hair?
2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.

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  • helloitsiohelloitsio Posts: 1,369Registered Users
    I pretty much just use gel and diffuse with a Sedusa. I've tried my hand at mousse a few times but it's never really worked out for me - I need gel to give me the hold and crunch my hair needs. I don't air dry because it takes forever and a day to dry and it loosens my wave pattern.

    My hair is BSL when dry and upper small of my back when wet.
  • MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users
    Thanks helloitsio, I'm glad I'm not the only one who isn't a big fan of mousse. :lol: I should try gel and diffusing again soon but it takes forever to do that too (especially cool air) and heat is damaging. Although that could give me a use for that VO5 heat protectant spray... :p
    2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
  • helloitsiohelloitsio Posts: 1,369Registered Users
    Yeah, not a mousse fan here. Such a shame because I've got some JoiWhip, PM mousse, and the Clairol mousse that have all been discussed on the boards. :sad1: I actually diffuse daily on a warm setting at medium speed and I don't notice any damage to my hair. If anything, I feel like the gel cast protects the hair shaft from any damage. I could be wrong though.
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    I hate mousse. I have tried it so many times and just hate the way it feels on my hair. I always end up throwing it out. I diffuse every day too and have no heat damage. I use high heat and the medium speed and have no problems but it may be like Helloitsio said, the gel might protect. Also if you diffuse to about 80% dry instead of all the way it really cuts down on the time and helps with no heat damage. Helloitsio how do you like your Sedusa? I have read so many mixed reviews that I'm wary of buying it but my regular deep bowl diffuser isn't working so well now that my hair is so long.
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • helloitsiohelloitsio Posts: 1,369Registered Users
    I really like it. I do feel that it helps to form the waves better. There is a bit of a trial and error when first starting out with it because your hair can easily tangle in the spiral tines, but once you get the hang of it, its a breeze. What's also great is that it helps dry my roots as well. I still use my [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-DevaFuser-Kit-p-913.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devafuser]Devafuser[/buylink] to really get under the canopy and get close to the roots but the Sedusa starts things off right.
  • MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users
    I agree with both of you that gel can protect the hair. They often have ingredients like benzophenone-4 that serve as heat protectants. I'm definitely giving this another shot before I give up on diffusing.
    2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
  • JayJaeJayJae Posts: 11Registered Users
    my hair is mid-back length, but i have a similar hair type as you.

    i can't use mousse either in the long run because it's drying, but i do like that it freezes my waves better. even though my hair is coarse, i notice i have to be careful how much product i put in my hair or else it'll be too heavy and my hair will just look unkempt. =T i'm learning gel with a touch of cream styler works best for my hair, though i'm still playing w/ the right amounts. once upon a time aveda be curly cream was perfect for my hair. too bad it broke out my skin.

    it's been several years since i've had my hair this long so i'm relearning how to evenly apply product...grrr!
    straight & wavy, thick & coarse
  • MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users
    JayJae wrote: »
    my hair is mid-back length, but i have a similar hair type as you.

    i can't use mousse either in the long run because it's drying, but i do like that it freezes my waves better. even though my hair is coarse, i notice i have to be careful how much product i put in my hair or else it'll be too heavy and my hair will just look unkempt. =T i'm learning gel with a touch of cream styler works best for my hair, though i'm still playing w/ the right amounts. once upon a time aveda be curly cream was perfect for my hair. too bad it broke out my skin.

    it's been several years since i've had my hair this long so i'm relearning how to evenly apply product...grrr!

    I feel your pain, especially with the bolded. It seems that every mousse I've tried is drying, even though it can give incredibly soft, shiny hair the first day (cough, PANTENE, cough). Is your hair straight on top like mine? I can't put any product in that area because it barely has any volume and would look greasy (hairspray is the exception and MAYBE some hard-hold gel).
    2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
  • JayJaeJayJae Posts: 11Registered Users
    ah, my straight parts are underneath, though in the back it is VERY loose waves (all the pretty waves are in front around my face). i don't know what to do w/ the straight section of my hair either, LOL.
    straight & wavy, thick & coarse
  • helloitsiohelloitsio Posts: 1,369Registered Users
    I have the same problem and unfortunately, there really isn't much you can do other than having your stylist cut the straighter under layer a bit shorter than the canopy and scrunching, scrunching, scrunching away. I've been mod CG for almost and year and a half and while the canopy has gotten wavier, I can't get the bottom to cooperate. The best I can get is a little wave at the ends so it blends in a bit better.
  • JayJaeJayJae Posts: 11Registered Users
    I've had the straight section cut shorter before, and I found I didn't like it so much when I wanted to straighten my hair. What I actually do with that section is finger comb it out after my hair has dried. That way it doesn't look stringy and weird compared to the rest of my hair.

    Makes me wonder how people cope when their canopy is the straighter section.
    straight & wavy, thick & coarse
  • Robin-in-FLRobin-in-FL Posts: 1,731Registered Users
    Well, I just cut a foot-and-a-half off my hair and it does curl back up now, so likely if yours is long and thick it will be hard to keep curls in because it's just so heavy. But - when mine was so long (hip length) it did curl from the middle down when I washed it, but those curls were messy and not too attractive since I couldn't put much product (so much hair and also better to treat very long hair very gently). I washed once a week and kept it braided once it dried - the one big braid straightened the hair out and by about day 3 it was smooth and pretty nice.

    If your hair dries reasonably fast (mine doesn't) I'd definitely recommend a few braids as a good way to set it and give nice smooth waves. You won't need anything at the bottom to hold the braids if your hair is very long and wavy.

    Editing to add, my underneath hair is straight too. It makes me kinda crazy, DH says it's my soft underfur under the coarse guard hairs.
    2c / C / iii (FIA)
    Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

    Shoulder-Length now.

    Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
    Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
    Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
    Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

    Henna!
  • WavingNotCurlingWavingNotCurling Posts: 150Registered Users
    This thread just saved me from cutting all my hair off. One thread CAN make all the difference.

    Thanks to all you long haired wavy girls, for giving me hope that I CAN grow this mop out and still have it look nice.
    *CG for wavies. Type 2/3ab mix.
    (overgrown) Inverted bob.
    *Conditioner - VO5, Oyin, Goth Rosary
    *Gel - Origins, Jessicurl or Lush
    *Lo-Poo - Carols Daughter
  • MintMint Posts: 1,143Registered Users
    Thanks for your stories everyone! I'm managing wet hair fine at the moment with braids (with leave-in condish and mousse or gel) or sleeping on it (while wet, loose and full of leave-in conditioner), waking up, combing and defining it with gel in the morning. I have split ends but I don't want to trim for a while because I'm so close!!

    I'm glad you got some inspiration from my thread, WavingNotCurling. :thumbleft:
    2a/M-C/ii hair. Super long.
  • micol124micol124 Posts: 171Registered Users
    not to guano the thread, but helloiysio... hello hair twin!!! Other than the color, your hair behaves just like mine :) I'm just lazy with pictures...
    2c/3a - Miii - Coarse - Low porosity I think

    CG since 02/08

    low-poo, 20/80 honey and JC TS, ACV rinse, honey and TW

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  • helloitsiohelloitsio Posts: 1,369Registered Users
    micol124 wrote: »
    not to guano the thread, but helloiysio... hello hair twin!!! Other than the color, your hair behaves just like mine :) I'm just lazy with pictures...

    Hiya! Your hair is so pretty! If I attempted shorter hair like yours I would definitely lose some wave. You're so lucky!
  • hmixonhmixon Posts: 214Registered Users
    What's your definition of long?

    I had waist length hair until a month ago and found that nothing, no products etc could really give me much curl. I'd get little curly ringlets at the end, very loose waves in the middle but FLAT TOP which I hated. I never did diffuse my whole head coz I'm lazy and I have thick hair and it would have taken a long time. But all the weight straightened out all the curl and most of the wave. And it took FOREVER to air dry .

    Then I got layered cut to BSL with layers to shoulder length. I feel like I have short hair now since losing a foot was drastic. But everyone still thinks I have long hair!

    I have to say that I love it shorter- all the products actually work now!! I have lots of curl - the cut took me from 2a in front and 2c in back to 2c in front and 3a in back!! It's really fun and flippy now. I had waist long hair for 12 years!!

    I m not advocating a cut- but I do suggest layers if you want more curl. Hellisto has beautiful long layers-- so does curly in FL. I think layers really help with curl.

    Also- I still have a flat canopy/straighter hair on top and IT IS REALLY A PAIN!!! Considering even shorter layers to get rid of even more weight......So I appreciate the comment on how do we handle that- I'd love to have the straighter part under. Oh how I long for root curls and volume!
    med/coarse; porous; 2c & 3c
    protein sensitive
    too much glycerin and some oils give me stringlets

    !!! LOVE SPRITZ AND CONDISH !!!!

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    low-poo: miss my LLL Green Tea, CJDF
    condish/leave-in: DMLI, Elucense MB, KCKT, JCWDT, CJCR, KBB Deep Condish, Marie Dean, Shescensit GTH
    style: faves: KCCC, DMCG, AOMMJ, CGG, Elucence Foam, FSG
    DT: JCWDT, CJCR, SS Deep Condish



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  • anonymous_125408anonymous_125408 Posts: 45Registered Users
    Any long haired wavies care to pick up this thread and chime in a bit more? I'm pretty new here and still looking for advice/tips... but it seems like, looking at most the signatures, the majority of people here are curly not wavy (nothing wrong with that of course, I just am hoping to find more styling ideas/tips for long wavy hair) and even some of the "wavies" look awfully curly to me lol.
    2a/b, high porosity, fine strands, average density, just about shoulder blade length

    My hair loves moisture!

    currently mod-cg , using low-poo and not totally cone-free yet. I'll get there though!
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    tr3kkie9rl wrote: »
    Any long haired wavies care to pick up this thread and chime in a bit more? I'm pretty new here and still looking for advice/tips... but it seems like, looking at most the signatures, the majority of people here are curly not wavy (nothing wrong with that of course, I just am hoping to find more styling ideas/tips for long wavy hair) and even some of the "wavies" look awfully curly to me lol.


    There tends to be varying opinions of wavy vs curly. I thought I was a 2c when I first joined last year. But the main thing to remember is that hair properties (texture, porosity, density, elasticity) make much more of a difference in products and even techniques than curl pattern. My hair twin has 2b waves, but we have such identical results from products that if she likes something it's pretty much a guarantee that I'll like it too.

    Also, there are a number of wavies who have stopped frequenting this site due to some issues earlier this year. There's a thread buried in this forum somewhere called "hey wavies, have you seen this?" with info for the FB group.

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    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • anonymous_125408anonymous_125408 Posts: 45Registered Users
    Yeah, I totally get that the hair properties do make a huge difference... but length does too, and having long, fine strands that are densely populated and have a weak wave pattern... seems to sometimes defy logic lol. But thanks for trying to help!
    2a/b, high porosity, fine strands, average density, just about shoulder blade length

    My hair loves moisture!

    currently mod-cg , using low-poo and not totally cone-free yet. I'll get there though!
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Many people see a shift in their curl pattern as their hair gets healthier. I have long fine strands of hair that are densely packed together, and my curl pattern was extremely transient for a long time. I can say that a good cut will make a huge difference. After the right cut I was able to air dry my hair and get the same type of curls I used to only get by diffusing. The other thing that helped perk up my curl pattern was incorporating protein into my regular routine (and lots of it). I have before and after pics on the thread in general hair and you can see that several years ago when my hair was at it's most damaged I had about a 2b pattern. Curl pattern will impact cuts and styles, without question, but not the actual care. It's finding the right routine for your properties that will maximize your curl pattern.

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    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • nccdreamernccdreamer Posts: 6Registered Users
    Thanks Corrina777, that's very encouraging. I hope I will be able to say the same of my hair one day! I did find the thread, and there are some amazing transformations :-) Looking at it though, I'm definitely a 2A... barely! I think I probably need a hair cut to get rid of some weight. *sigh* I really don't want to though.
    2a/b, high porosity, fine strands, average density, just about shoulder blade length

    My hair loves moisture!

    currently mod-cg , using low-poo and not totally cone-free yet. I'll get there though!
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    nccdreamer wrote: »
    Thanks Corrina777, that's very encouraging. I hope I will be able to say the same of my hair one day! I did find the thread, and there are some amazing transformations :-) Looking at it though, I'm definitely a 2A... barely! I think I probably need a hair cut to get rid of some weight. *sigh* I really don't want to though.


    As long as you don't go shorter than where your waves start, layers are usually a fantastic way to deal with long fine hair. I've gotten long layers for years, but I was amazed with the difference a few shorter layers made when I got my Devacut.

    If you haven't already, you might also want to check out the Share Your Hair Biography thread here on the 2s forum. It can help you identify people with similar properties and give you a some product ideas. It sounds like your properties are similar to mine. My hair analysis showed fine texture and normal porosity and elasticity. Density is thick (I had a 4" ponytail after my hair was thinned).

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    Modified CG since 11/5/11
    CLEANSE: CJ Daily Fix, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • Corrina777Corrina777 Posts: 3,193Registered Users
    Oh- and if you want to look for posts from my hair twin (Kimmidawn) you can see the transformation of someone with long hair and a weaker wave pattern. I believe between her avater and her signature pic one is a day 1 of CG and the other is an after several months CG. Like I said earlier, we get pretty much identical results from products so we often consult each other before new product purchases to see of the other has any experience with it.

    The idea of not using curl pattern as a factor in hair care seems absolutely crazy to all of us when we first start, especially with the dedicated forums and all of the threads of people asking what their curl type is. It seems very contradictory, but trust me, it works much better. :)

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    RO: SS Caitlin's Conditioner, CJ Beauticurls Strengthening
    LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
    STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier,Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
  • tambalinatambalina Posts: 64Registered Users
    Yeah, I totally get that the hair properties do make a huge difference... but length does too, and having long, fine strands that are densely populated and have a weak wave pattern... seems to sometimes defy logic lol. But thanks for trying to help!

    I am right there with you! I have fine/medium, dense, BSL hair and growing. My waves are weak, but now that I have been learning what my hair likes, my results have been getting better every month!

    My siggy pic tells my CG story. In the first pic, I thought my hair was stick-straight. This was 07/2012. The last photo is from 10/26/2012.

    Finally buying a diffuser completely changed how I style my hair.
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    CG Journey Start Date: 08.21.12 Now modified CG
    F/M texture, Med Density, Low/Normal Porosity, Hennindigo
    Current Routine (Still working out the kinks):
    Sulfate wash: CHSTS
    Low-Poo: OMAO
    CO-Wash: IEC, VO5VMT, TNRV
    Rinse Out: YTCarrots, DLOO, Renpure Red, GVPCB
    LI: YTCarrots, CCC
    PT: NPF
    Styler: AG:RC, KCCC, LALNC, FSG
    Gel: BRHG+Biotera
  • Knotty_MaddyKnotty_Maddy Posts: 518Registered Users
    Corrina777 wrote: »
    Many people see a shift in their curl pattern as their hair gets healthier. I have long fine strands of hair that are densely packed together, and my curl pattern was extremely transient for a long time. I can say that a good cut will make a huge difference. After the right cut I was able to air dry my hair and get the same type of curls I used to only get by diffusing. The other thing that helped perk up my curl pattern was incorporating protein into my regular routine (and lots of it). I have before and after pics on the thread in general hair and you can see that several years ago when my hair was at it's most damaged I had about a 2b pattern. Curl pattern will impact cuts and styles, without question, but not the actual care. It's finding the right routine for your properties that will maximize your curl pattern.

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    Ironically, cutting all protein *out* was what saved (and curled!) my hair. I have gone from a weak 2B to a 2C/3A by cutting protein and using moisturizing hair products, as well as a diffuser (though that doesn't super-change my hair pattern) I completely agree that care and products really matter! Cuts do matter too, I agree, but make sure that you have a consultation first, to make sure you and the stylist are on the same page...I once got accidental layers, which turned me into a complete Medusa...yeah...hair snakes everywhere ;p I did tell the stylist NOT to layer my hair, but she did it anyways. Bad, just bad! ;p I had to do a BIG chop a day later to rid myself of the squirley layers. Took me forevs to grow it out. Just saying. layers don't work for everyone...
    Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
    S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
    My hair officially hates protein ;) Once a month is enough!
    Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay! :D
    BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
  • UP LisaUP Lisa Posts: 98Registered Users
    My hair is baby fine, and I don't have that problem. I would say it is probably your hair type. Between the weight of the hair and the water, it is going to straighten some. If you can keep the weight off of it as it's drying, it should make a difference. If I sleep on mine wet and loose it turns out wavier than it ever does if I dry it hanging down.
    2b. Dark Golden Blond. Very fine texture. Medium thickness. Thrilled to find waves!!!