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Homemade No-poo and One-C

Hi Everyone!

I thought I'd post these here because they've been working wonderfully for me!


Generic No Poo

1/4 of a cup of grape seed oil
2 or more cups (dpending on how thin or thick you like your Co to be) of water
three tablespoons emulsifier (I get mine from the herbarie.com)

what to do:

in a double boiler heat the grape seed oil and emulsifier until the emulsifier has melted.
Heat water in a teakettle until boiling
add boiling water to oil mixture while stirring with a handheld blender or a wooden spoon.
The mixture should turn white immediately.
Let cool, and add preservative (I also get this at the herbarie) and essential oils/fragrance oils.

Generic One-C

Exactly the same process, just substitute oilive oil and vegetable glyercin for the grape seed oil. Since everyone's hair is diff, i think you'll need to play around with the proportions of oil and the veg glycerin here, but I know my hair prefers them in about equal amounts. I like 1/2 cup of olive oil and 1/2 cup glycerin, then add about 2 1/2 cups water.

I hope I'm not leaving anything out! Let me know if you have questions. The nice thing about my recipes is you can adjust them to your own needs. For me, that's no cones, proteins, artificial conditioning agents, ect!

Happy Cooking! :)
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  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    THANK YOU!
    You are so kind and generous to share!
    I think I can do this :shock: (herbarie here I come)
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    :D No prob! Let me know if you have any questions.
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    Any ideas on where I could get these ingredients?

    TIA
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    Delma,

    You should be able to get olive oil and grape seed oil at the grocery. I get vegetable glycerin at whole foods, or any other health food shop, or online. I use the Herbarie's Conditioning Emulsifier BTMS, and one of their preservatives called Optiphen.
    HTH :)
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • BethVBethV Posts: 16Users Awaiting Email Confirmation
    I just tried to go to www.herbarie.com, and didn't get anything. Have I got the right URL?
    Shampoo free since the beginning of April, 2006
  • brwn_i'd_wndrbrwn_i'd_wndr Posts: 23Registered Users
    THE TRANSITION PERIOD IS OVER- MY HAIR IS FREE AND I FEEL GREAT!!!
  • BethVBethV Posts: 16Users Awaiting Email Confirmation
    Thank you very much!
    Shampoo free since the beginning of April, 2006
  • rats-tailsrats-tails Posts: 12Registered Users
    Thanks Moisturemaniac.
    This is just the kind of simple recipe I've been looking for for my fine 3A strands, but I can't get hold of the emulsifier where I live. Does anyone know of a natural emulsifier I could use, perhaps something used in cooking would do the trick.
  • DelmaDelma Posts: 1,121Registered Users
    Thanks for that info , how much of the preservative do you use?
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    rats-tails,

    Unfortunately, I've only ever been able to find emulsifiers through internet stores, such as theherbarie or fromnaturewithlove.com Other types are: vegetable emulsifying wax, acacia gum, lechthin, beeswax ect, but I find that these don't always give consistent results. They either don't emulsify the Co fully, or else they make my hair look bad. I use the BTMS conditioning emulsifier from theherbarie because it consists of cetyl alcohol and Behentrimonium chloride, the ingredients most similar to the emulsifier used in the Deva products. Sorry I can't help more :(

    Delma,

    I use about a teaspoon and a half of preservative per every four cups of conditioner I make.

    BethV and brwn_i'd_wndr,

    sorry, I must have posted the site address wrong! Thanks for clarifying :)
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • BrioBrio Posts: 1,432Registered Users
    Is there a difference between glycerin that you find at like a drug store and "vegetable" glycerin? I've seen glycerin at Walgreens, but it says nothing about if it's vegetable or not.

    thanks.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Frizz Happens!
    my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

    3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    What emusifier do you buy from www.fromnaturewithlove.com?
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    Just thought I'd let everyone know that you can get the BTMS emulsifier on www.lotioncrafter.com. There is no minimum order amount (unlike on theherbarie.com where you have to spend $30), so you can just buy a little to try it out. It is called Lotioncrafter BTMS and it is $4.95 for 8 oz.
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    Brio,

    I'm not sure about the difference in the glycerin. It doesn't specifiy the vegetable type on the Deva products, so I would guess it's ok :)

    Megnificent,

    Cool! I'm always looking for new sites that sell cream-making supplies! I'll have to check it out :)
    Also, from fromnaturewithlove.com i order vegetable emulsiying wax. It works very well as an emulsifier, but I don't like the way my hair comes out when I make Co with it. Instead I use it when I make hand and body cream.
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    Oops, there is a minimum order amount on www.lotioncrafter.com, but it is only $12.95. I ordered the emulsifier, the glycerin and the preservative, and that was about $15 total.
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    Has anyone tried lecithin or stearic acid with the emulsifier to thicken? I know lecithin is supposed to be very good for hair. I have both of those on hand and I don't like to add too much wax.

    I use Rosemary Oil Antioxidant for a preservative and really like that.

    What oils and essential oils have you tried? I have a whole array on hand and would love to hear what others are liking :D
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    I just bought coconut oil, peppermint oil (for cleansing), and jojoba oil today. I will let you know how they turn out.
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    I LOVE adding essential oils! Peppermint is very good, it's in the original No-poo formula. At the moment I'm adding lavender, which is very soothing. I've also tried making the cleansing Co with jojoba oil, which was fine, but a little too heavy for my fine hair :(
    Lecithin is very good for the hair, but it comes from eggs, which are a protein, so if your hair is protein-sensitive, be careful. i know mine got a little dry when I tried adding this. i haven't tried stearic acid yet, let me know how it turns out! Also, how long does the rosemary oil preserve for? i am interested in trying it. :)
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • KurlyKhadijahKurlyKhadijah Posts: 2Registered Users
    I cant wait to try it. Thanks for the info
    No Poo Since 04/25/2006
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    :D
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Looking at the emulsifiers at the herbarie, I was really interested in the PEG Olive Esters. It says that this can be used for conditioning and as a co-emulsifier. How do I know what to select as a partner emulsifier? A fatty alcohol? Or would that be a disaster?

    I couldn't find much on how to pair emulsifiers, but I DID find this link which has some interesting looking recipes:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aussiesoapsupplies.com.au%2Fjude%2Fcondemuls.htm" class="Popup


    :D
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • hockeymomof3hockeymomof3 Posts: 2,159Registered Users
    Castella wrote:
    Looking at the emulsifiers at the herbarie, I was really interested in the PEG Olive Esters. It says that this can be used for conditioning and as a co-emulsifier. How do I know what to select as a partner emulsifier? A fatty alcohol? Or would that be a disaster?

    I couldn't find much on how to pair emulsifiers, but I DID find this link which has some interesting looking recipes:

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aussiesoapsupplies.com.au%2Fjude%2Fcondemuls.htm" class="Popup


    :D

    You could try to email the lady at the Herbarie...I have bought a lot from there and she is VERY knowledgeable and nice! Also, if you haven't, take a look at their formulary to give you some ideas of what they use together.
    3b/a
    Cowash - No Poo
    Conditioner - One Condition
    Gel - Light Defining Gel

    Looking to try Devacurl Decadence line next! Can't wait to try it.
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    Great suggestions-Thanks! :D

    It's silly, but I'm always afraid to ask for help...not here, obviously, but in stores. I know most people love to help...I have no chemistry knowledge whatsoever, it's embarrassing. But I can follow instructions! (as long as I curb the instinct to tinker)

    Anyway, I was peeking at some of the ingredient listings for Curl Junkie and she uses PEG Olivate along with the usual emulsifiers...hmm.
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • hockeymomof3hockeymomof3 Posts: 2,159Registered Users
    If they use it, I think it would be fine!! Good work Castella!! ;)
    3b/a
    Cowash - No Poo
    Conditioner - One Condition
    Gel - Light Defining Gel

    Looking to try Devacurl Decadence line next! Can't wait to try it.
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    moisturemaniac: did you come up with these recipes yourself, or do you use a resource?

    PS, the OneC is cooling in my fridge right now! Can't wait! :D
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
  • SnarlsSnarls Posts: 2,537Registered Users
    I am SO jealous! I've been reading the recipe & lurking on the herbarie, lotion crafter & fromnaturewithlove sites...it all sounds so good! I'm not ordering anything until I can curb the temptation to buy it all!

    edited to add:
    Oops, I actually had a question. I also posted about challenge testing & preservatives. Here at last is the question:

    Can homemade conditioners be frozen?

    I know Jessicurl's recipe for avocado DT can be frozen...could I do this with the homemade nopoo & onec to reduce some of my worries about bacteria? Anyone tried it?
    formerly Castella
    (my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    I used 100% pure olive oil, but I got a film on top of the OneC when it cooled. Should I have used extra virgin or something? What went wrong?
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
  • BasiaBasia Posts: 1Registered Users
    www.camdengrey.com

    They sell all kinds of goodies- oils, butters, essential oils, herbs, soap making supplies, all kinds of containers...Go check it out!
    Basia :D
  • moisturemaniacmoisturemaniac Posts: 51Registered Users
    Megnificent,


    These are my recipes, based on the ingredients in the Deva products. I took out the ingredients I didn't want (such as the amodimethicone) I just follow the instructions from a hand-cream making book :)
    About the film ontop of the Co: I don't recommend letting it cool in the fridge. Let it cool at room temp, and stir it every hour or so until it cools completely. The film is caused from a slight separation of the oil and water. If you let the temperature drop naturally, instead of speeding it in the fridge, and stir periodically to completely emulsify it, there should be no film. That said, the Co is still usable. Just stir the Co witha handblender until the bumps that come from the film having broken up have emulsified with the rest of the Co. Oh, and regular oilve oil is fine :)

    Castella,

    I refridgerate my Co all the time when I run out of preservative. It works great!I have never frozen it, though, because I tend to use it so quickly, but I'm sure that would be fine too
    HTH!
    Have finally figured out I am a 3A! VERY fine strands. CG since 7/05!
  • MegnificentMegnificent Posts: 109Registered Users
    Thank you very much! I actually scraped off the film and have been using both the No-Poo and the OneC and like them very much. Thanks for posting the recipe and being so helpful with all of our questions.
    2a-3a

    Fotki: curlymeg

    Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
    Graham Webb Making Waves gel
    jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

    Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
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