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Honor Killing?? (Violence/graphic/domestic abuse)

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I think that's an oxymoron. Just call it first-degree murder.

from Yahoo

Muslim TV exec accused of beheading wife in NY


By CAROLYN THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer Carolyn Thompson, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 56 mins ago
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. – The crime drips with brutal irony: a woman decapitated, allegedly by her estranged husband, in the offices of the television network the couple founded with the hope of countering Muslim stereotypes.
Muzzammil "Mo" Hassan is accused of beheading his wife last week, days after she filed for divorce. Authorities have not discussed the role religion or culture might have played, but the slaying gave rise to speculation that it was the sort of "honor killing" more common in countries half a world away, including the couple's native Pakistan.
Funeral services for Aasiya Hassan, 37, were Tuesday. Her 44-year-old husband is scheduled to appear for a felony hearing Wednesday.
The Hassans lived in Orchard Park — a well-off Buffalo suburb that hadn't seen a homicide since 1986 — and started Bridges TV there in 2004 with the message of developing understanding between North America and the Middle East and South Asia. The network, available across the U.S. and Canada, was believed to be the first English-language cable station aimed at the rapidly growing Muslim demographic.
Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said his officers had responded to domestic incidents involving the couple, most recently Feb. 6, the day Mo Hassan was served with the divorce papers and an order of protection.
"I've never heard him raise his voice," said Paul Moskal, who became friendly with the couple while he was chief counsel for the FBI in Buffalo. Moskal would answer questions in forums aired on Bridges TV that were intended to improve understanding between Muslim-Americans and law enforcement.
"His personal life kind of betrayed what he tried to portray publicly," Moskal said.
On Feb. 12, Hassan went to a police station and told officers his wife was dead at the TV studio.
"We found her laying in the hallway the offices were off of," Benz said. Aasiya Hassan's head was near her body.
"I don't know if (the method of death) does mean anything," said the chief, who would not discuss what weapon may have been used. "We certainly want to investigate anything that has any kind of merit. It's not a normal thing you would see."
Hassan was not represented by an attorney at an initial appearance on a charge of second-degree murder. Neither police nor the Erie County district attorney's office knew if he had hired a lawyer.
The New York president of the National Organization for Women, Marcia Pappas, condemned prosecutors for referring to the death as an apparent case of domestic violence.
"This was, apparently, a terroristic version of 'honor killing,'" a statement from NOW said.
Nadia Shahram, who teaches family law and Islam at the University at Buffalo Law School, explained honor killing as a practice still accepted among fanatical Muslim men who feel betrayed by their wives.
"If a woman breaks the law which the husband or father has placed for the wife or daughter, honor killing has been justified," said Shahram, who was a regular panelist on a law show produced by Bridges TV. "It happens all the time. It's been practiced in countries such as Pakistan and in India."
Acquaintances said Mo Hassan was not overtly religious — co-workers did not see him pray, for instance. But he seemed to adhere to many traditional practices.
Nancy Sanders, the television station's news director for 2 1/2 years, remembers him asking her to move her feet during her job interview so he would not see her legs. She was wearing a skirt and stockings.
He also would not let women enter his office unless his wife was there, and he blocked the station from airing a story about the first Muslim woman to win the title of Miss England in 2005, Sanders said.
Acquaintances said Aasiya Hassan was trained as an architect. Sanders described her as obedient to her husband, and that she wore a traditional hijab for a time but later stopped without explanation.
"She was beautiful, small, delicately built," she said, "while Mo would fill up a door frame. I always thought of him as a gentle giant."
Sanders, who left Bridges TV a year ago, said co-workers traded stories about Hassan's apparent violent streak, including one which had him running his wife's car off the road while the couple's two young children were inside. Aasiya herself never spoke of it, she said.
"I just do not feel it was an honor killing," Sanders added. "I think it was domestic abuse that got out of control."
Erie County District Attorney Frank Sedita did not immediately respond to The Associated Press' request for a copy of the order of protection issued against Mo Hassan. Divorce records are sealed in New York state. Aasiya Hassan's lawyer would not reveal the reasons for the divorce filing.
Hassan graduated with an MBA from the Simon School of Business at the University of Rochester in 1996, according to the TV station's Web site. Bridges broadcasts all over the United States and in Canada on various cable providers and Verizon FiOS. As of 6 p.m. Tuesday, the network was not broadcasting in the Buffalo area.
There was no answer at the network on Tuesday and it's Web site has a message saying Bridges is shocked and saddened and requests privacy.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    They created the TV station to dispel negative stereotypes about Muslims. That didn't work out too well apparently.

    I wonder why he and his first wife divorced. Domestic abuse also?
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    Phoenix wrote: »
    They created the TV station to dispel negative stereotypes about Muslims. That didn't work out too well apparently.

    I wonder why he and his first wife divorced. Domestic abuse also?
    I missed that little detail. She's luck to be alive.
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  • CynaminbearCynaminbear Posts: 4,476Registered Users
    This is so sad. I read about it yesterday.
    Even if this is a domestic abuse case gone horribly wrong, the fact that he's Muslim and trying to dispel Muslim stereotypes will have many people thinking that this is an honor killing.
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  • rainshowerrainshower Posts: 4,420Registered Users
    even if it were a so-called honor killing, that should have no merit or consideration here in the united states, where it is illegal to kill someone just because she doesn't want to be married to you anymore. and if you do choose to kill someone in the united states because she doesn't want to be married to you anymore, you should be punished as any other murderer would. the part of your culture that enriches america, please bring it. but the parts that we consider unlawful, inhuman, or immoral, check it at the door. we have enough of our own home-grown crazies and hotheaded wackos to deal with.
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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    What's ironic is that the police had served him an order of protection, and his his wife had just filed for divorce. They have 2 small children. This has to rank close to the top of the list as the most selfish act.
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  • CynaminbearCynaminbear Posts: 4,476Registered Users
    What's ironic is that the police had served him an order of protection, and his wife had just filed for divorce. They have 2 small children. This has to rank close to the top of the list as the most selfish act.

    I don't think it's ironic, I think that's why he did it. And I agree, incredibly selfish.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Statisically, abused women are more likely to be killed by their husbands after they get an RO.
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    Beheading? He beheaded her? The last thing I want to do is sound flip about a murder, but good grief, why a beheading? Murder is bad enough, but this is unthinkable.

    Or, apparently not.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    That's the preferred method of honor killings, I think.
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  • wavycurly40+wavycurly40+ Posts: 2,017Registered Users
    Honor killings are one of those things that can give us a real wake-up call. Globally, women still have a LONG way to go.

    We take so much for granted, those of us who are lucky enough to assume that such things can't possibly happen.

    Not that a lot of awful, violent, woman-hating (*&^ doesn't happen in every culture.

    *sigh*

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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    I'm hung up on the word "honor" here.........that another person's freedom affects his honor.
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    He's only been charged with 2nd degree murder.

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    There are some chilling, chilling accounts of these murders in Wikepedia. It's almost unbelievable. This spans class, education, and economic levels. The most chilling are the ones where the mother helped. And one where it was done in view of 2 and 4 year old siblings.

    Examples like this are to me, classic definitions of evil. It has to be stopped:
    Over 80 Iraqi women in Diyala province committed suicide, to escape the shame of having been raped. They choose to become suicide bombers to escape the shame; startlingly, their rapes were planned in advance by 51 year old Iraqi woman Samira Jassam, who confessed to Iraqi police that she organised their rapes so she could later persuade each of them that to become a suicide bomber was the only way to escape their shame.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    I read once where it was done to a 4yo. The father found it she might not be his.
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  • Gemini13Gemini13 Posts: 5,000Registered Users
    He's only been charged with 2nd degree murder.

    WOW. It sound like they're really working the "domestic abuse" angle- are they trying to say it was a crime of passion? Would that be 2nd degree murder? Of course frankly I really don't see why it should make a difference in the charges... what a great loophole for men who kill their wives while enraged.

    Jesus, I can't get over the fact that he beheaded her...
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  • CynaminbearCynaminbear Posts: 4,476Registered Users
    I bet she was beheaded to make sure she was good and dead. Any other way she could survive or be revived.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Gemini13 wrote: »
    He's only been charged with 2nd degree murder.

    WOW. It sound like they're really working the "domestic abuse" angle- are they trying to say it was a crime of passion? Would that be 2nd degree murder? Of course frankly I really don't see why it should make a difference in the charges... what a great loophole for men who kill their wives while enraged.

    Jesus, I can't get over the fact that he beheaded her...
    Assistant District Attorney Colleen Curtin Gable said her office would seek an indictment against Hassan within 45 days on a charge of seconddegree murder. The first-degree charge is reserved for special circumstances, including torture or the death of police.

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    The link also says:
    Under arrest in his wife’s brutal death, Muzzammil Hassan is “almost in shock,” his attorney said Wednesday following a court appearance in Orchard Park.

    “He’s having difficulty coping with this,” attorney James Harrington said.

    Obvious attempt to insinuate his innocence.
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  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    Chesler, who wrote "Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?" for Middle East Quarterly, said some Muslim men consider divorce a dishonor on their family.

    "This is not permitted in their culture," said Chesler, whose study analyzed more than 50 reports of honor killings in North America and Europe. "This is, from a cultural point of view, an honor killing."

    Chesler said honor killings typically are Muslim-on-Muslim crimes and largely involve teenage daughters, young women and, to a lesser extent, wives.

    But Chesler said the "extremely gruesome nature" of the crime closely matches the characteristics of an honor killing.

    "Leaving the body parts displayed the way he did, like a terrorist would do, that's very peculiar, it's very public," Chesler said. "He wanted to show that even though his business venture may have been failing, that he was in control of his wife."

    Chesler called on U.S. and Canadian immigration authorities to inform potential Muslim immigrants and new Muslim citizens that it's illegal to abuse women in the two countries.

    "As long as Islamist advocacy groups continue to obfuscate the problem, and government and police officials accept their inaccurate versions of reality, women will continue to be killed for honor in the West, such murder may even accelerate," Chesler wrote. "Unchecked by Western law, their blood will be on society's hands."

    M. Zuhdi Jasser, founder and chairman of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, agreed with Chesler.

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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    It takes an especially sharp and durable kind of weapon to behead someone (like a machete). He couldn't just grab the butcher knife from the kitchen. So I'm pretty sure he planned it. But I guess beheading a woman isn't a particularly special circumstance.
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  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    Does NY have the death penalty? Whether or not he charged with 1st or 2nd or 12th degree, as long as he gets the needle it doesn't matter.
  • LotsawavesLotsawaves Posts: 8,660Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Do you think maybe his sentence was lessened because "honor killing" is accepted in his country?

    I believe that when you come to a country you abide by their laws. This whole thing really sickens me.
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  • rainshowerrainshower Posts: 4,420Registered Users
    Lotsawaves wrote: »
    Do you think maybe his sentence was lessened because "honor killing" is accepted in his country?

    I believe that when you come to a country you abide by their laws. This whole thing really sickens me.

    i believe "when in rome ..." if he wants to escape U.S. punishment, he should have flown the two of them back to their homeland and hacked off her head there.

    like i said in a previous post, you bring the part of your culture that enriches our country. but the rest you need to check at the door.
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  • Gemini13Gemini13 Posts: 5,000Registered Users
    It takes an especially sharp and durable kind of weapon to behead someone (like a machete). He couldn't just grab the butcher knife from the kitchen. So I'm pretty sure he planned it. But I guess beheading a woman isn't a particularly special circumstance.

    No sh*t!!!! What exactly constitutes "torture" anyway- beheading sounds close enough to me. WTF???!!!
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    Does NY have the death penalty? Whether or not he charged with 1st or 2nd or 12th degree, as long as he gets the needle it doesn't matter.

    No, I think you can only get the death penalty here if you kill a cop.
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  • mad scientistmad scientist Posts: 3,530Registered Users
    It takes an especially sharp and durable kind of weapon to behead someone (like a machete). He couldn't just grab the butcher knife from the kitchen. So I'm pretty sure he planned it. But I guess beheading a woman isn't a particularly special circumstance.

    A guy beheaded a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus last summer. He had a hunting knife. In lieu of a machete, I think multiple stabbings would do the trick.

    Such a horrible horrible story.
  • LotsawavesLotsawaves Posts: 8,660Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    It takes an especially sharp and durable kind of weapon to behead someone (like a machete). He couldn't just grab the butcher knife from the kitchen. So I'm pretty sure he planned it. But I guess beheading a woman isn't a particularly special circumstance.

    A guy beheaded a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus last summer. He had a hunting knife. In lieu of a machete, I think multiple stabbings would do the trick.

    Such a horrible horrible story.

    I remember that story! The guy was definitely mentally disturbed. If I'm not mistaken, the guy was dead before he beheaded him.
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