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How to clump curls with Deva Conditioner?

Hi,

When I go to the salon, and my stylist washes my hair with the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-One-Condition-p-55.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacurl-one-condition]deva one condition[/buylink], she manages to get my curls to "clump" together. When I use the products at home, my curls are stringy and frizzy. Being the dummy that I am, I didn't think to ask her how she does it, so I was wondering if any of you know how. TIA!
Teenage curly with 3a-3b course curls
Shampoo: DCLP
Rinse Out: GVP conditioning balm in winter. Devacurl One Condition in Summer
Co Wash: Suave
Styler: LA Looks Curl Gel
Leave in: Devacurl One Condition

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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    What is she putting on your hair for stylers? It's funny because there have been times when I've had my hair cut that it DOESn't clump and other times it does even though she does the same exact thing. My stylist also uses DEVA, I tried over and over to duplicate the results using everything and it was hit or miss. This time of year I really like MOP-C with the Deva. I apply it after the ArcAngel and have had really good hair days this way.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    My Deva stylist puts OneC on the length of my hair and then washes my scalp with LowPoo, finger combs any spots that need it, and rinses it all out together

    Next she rakes through BeLeave-In and then makes me flip my head upside down and scrunches some excess water out

    Then she scrunches in Angell and keeps scrunching until it gets the clump she likes and then I flip my head back up

    Next she clips my roots (oh how I wish I could figure out how to do that right) and it's time to dry

    She never uses SetItFree but when I used it at home I sprayed my hair right before I diffused with great results

    After it's dry she sets it with a little SetMeUp

    I don't know what you're using but hopefully this helps. It certainly made me miss my Deva products. Good Luck!
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    OneC on the length of my hair and then washes my scalp with LowPoo, finger combs any spots that need it, and rinses it all out together

    That's different! I have to say that using enough of the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]Arc Angel[/buylink] helps a lot. I use quite a bit of it about 4-5 quarters worth on SOAKING wet hair in the shower and this makes me clump, but just the conditioner alone doesn't do that.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    In my experience I only got good clumps with Deva when I used the BeLeave In and then about a tablespoon or so of Angell. I HAD to use the leave-in. Gel alone never clumped right. But that is tue for any time I do my hair. I absolutely have to use a leave-in to clump at all.
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    OneC on the length of my hair and then washes my scalp with LowPoo, finger combs any spots that need it, and rinses it all out together

    That's different! I have to say that using enough of the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]Arc Angel[/buylink] helps a lot. I use quite a bit of it about 4-5 quarters worth on SOAKING wet hair in the shower and this makes me clump, but just the conditioner alone doesn't do that.

    I think that's actually the method
    that's recommended on the LowPoo bottle but I can't remember. I haven't used it in two months. DEL all your Deva talk lately is making me want to take my Deva out of the cabinet...
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    OneC on the length of my hair and then washes my scalp with LowPoo, finger combs any spots that need it, and rinses it all out together

    That's different! I have to say that using enough of the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Arc-AnGell-p-567.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-arc-angell]Arc Angel[/buylink] helps a lot. I use quite a bit of it about 4-5 quarters worth on SOAKING wet hair in the shower and this makes me clump, but just the conditioner alone doesn't do that.

    I think that's actually the method
    that's recommended on the LowPoo bottle but I can't remember. I haven't used it in two months. DEL all your Deva talk lately is making me want to take my Deva out of the cabinet...
    B-Leave in ingredients:
    Aqueous Extracts of: Achilea Millefolium, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria), Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, Humulus Lupulus (Hops), Melissa Officinalis (Balm Mint), Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary), Glycerin, PEG-8, Propylene Glycol, PEG-6 Caprylic/Capric Glycerides, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Polyquaternium-10, Sodium Polyacrylate, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Methyldibroma Glutaronitrile, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance.

    SORRY!! Not trying to ignite the PJ but this Winter has SUCKED EGGS (as Sunshine would say) one bad experiment after another. I'm just so relieved to find my Deva working for me again!! I can't do the B-leave in cuz of the Wheat Protein Low Poo didn't do much for me, I never liked it. In the CG Book it's recommended for wavies to coat with condish first when using POO so that would make sense now that I think of it to use the LOW poo in that manner.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.
    I've got to remember to leave a little One in my hair as a LI. I don't like to combine a lot of diff products when using Deva, they don't seem to "play" well with a lot of other stuff it's the one line I tend to use exclusively with the exception of adding a smidge of Mop-C for extra hold.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.

    I'm trying this today...so excited...I long for good clumps...and I've missed the smell of Deva.
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.

    I'm trying this today...so excited...I long for good clumps...and I've missed the smell of Deva.
    UGH, figures already did my hair today and don't WANT to do it tomorrow......MUST remember for next time!!
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • Lil'curlsLil'curls Posts: 275Registered Users
    Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I went and looked in the mirror and she had clumps with just the OneC, and then she finished with Angell. I don't have any of the other products except the Low Poo. She used the Low Poo, and I only use it about once a week. Do you think that makes a difference?
    Teenage curly with 3a-3b course curls
    Shampoo: DCLP
    Rinse Out: GVP conditioning balm in winter. Devacurl One Condition in Summer
    Co Wash: Suave
    Styler: LA Looks Curl Gel
    Leave in: Devacurl One Condition

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  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    Hope it works for you. Please post :)

    It's the one line which I always seem to go back too. I think I've been through them all but Deva stays in the cupboard. I don't mix it with other lines. I used the above method during a vacation to Mexico and with all the humidity finally had the hair I've dreamed of. Long clumpy spirals, volume and shine....never been able to totally duplicate it in the Midwest :( I'm going on a cruise this spring and am only taking Deva products. I know the look I consistently get with them. Struttswife has an excellent thread on using their products which is helpful. I'll try to locate it and post the link.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    Lil'curls wrote: »
    Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I went and looked in the mirror and she had clumps with just the OneC, and then she finished with Angell. I don't have any of the other products except the Low Poo. She used the Low Poo, and I only use it about once a week. Do you think that makes a difference?

    I wouldn't use the LowPoo more than once per week. The OneC works well as a daily washing conditioner. I have found the Devacare NoPoo works the best for me when I cleanse. The smell is too strong on the regular NoPoo and gives me a headache. I also can't use SIF unless it's mixed in wet hair. Initially, I never used it and had really bad luck with it until they showed me how to scruch it into wet hair before Angell. It gives me frizz and dullness on dry hair. So don't be concerned if you don't have it. [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-BLeave-In-p-434.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-bleavein]B'Leave In[/buylink] works great if I only use it occasionally. Rake and scrunch it into wet hair. Do NOT use the OneC as a leave-in if you are using [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-BLeave-In-p-434.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-bleavein]B'Leave In[/buylink]. The occasional use will give me outstanding clumping but if I use it 2-3 times in a row my hair hates it. Carlos, formally at Devachan, also hated [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCurl-BLeave-In-p-434.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-bleavein]B'Leave In[/buylink]. It's probably the least loved of the product line.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Flivecurlylivefree.com%2Fcurl%2520care.htm" class="Popup

    This link is authored by a Deva trained stylist. I can't locate the link where she specifically described how to apply the Deva products but this is very, very close.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    B-Leave in ingredients:
    Aqueous Extracts of: Achilea Millefolium, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria), Cymbopogon Schoenanthus, Humulus Lupulus (Hops), Melissa Officinalis (Balm Mint), Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary), Glycerin, PEG-8, Propylene Glycol, PEG-6 Caprylic/Capric Glycerides, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Polyquaternium-10, Sodium Polyacrylate, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Methyldibroma Glutaronitrile, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance.

    Thanks DEL. I have been having protein sensitivities as I mentioned yesterday and it's good to know. I never really liked the texture of BeLeave-In anyway. I've been using my GVP Conditioning balm as a leave-in and it's worked great so can't wait to try OneC as one. Icequeen I'll definitely let you know how it goes. I always had good luck with Deva but got tired of having to order it as no one in my city carries it and my stylist is 1/2 an hour away. I did find a great website with cheaper prices than the salon and usually free shipping on orders over a certain amount (right now it's $39.95) so for those that order it www.brightonbeautysupply.com . I have ordered from them twice and never had a problem. Can't wait to try the products in a dif way.
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=49590



    No Poo
    If your hair is particularly dry, take a small amount of No Poo prior to wetting your hair and massage it firmly into your hair length from mid-shaft to ends. Then, wet your hair as usual. The force of the water will push the product into your hair shaft, providing a more moisturizing cleanse.

    When cleansing, always use a firm, circular motion to massage the product into your scalp and then scrunch the product into your hair length to begin encouraging your curl. When rinsing, massage your scalp gently to help remove the product.

    One Condition
    When applying the conditioner, massage and rake it firmly into your hair, running your fingers down your hair length until you are sure your hair is well-coated, then scrunch the product firmly into your hair length to continue to encourage your curl. Let it sit for a few moments to let your hair absorb what it needs, then rinse with cool water.

    Angell or Arc Angell
    You don't have to use half the bottle, but be sure you are being generous with your product application. Gel "the size of a dime or quarter" simply will not cut it for a curly girl, no matter what product you are using. The goal is to make sure all your curls are nicely coated with product at the end of the application. When your curls are well-contained within a coating of gel, the product will "crystallize" into a protective shell around the curl as it dries, keeping the formed curl in place with a minimum of frizz. When you scrunch the product to break it up after your hair is completely dry, the curl will be smoothly released from its crystallized shell and become a soft, well-formed lock without frizz.

    Set It Free
    Set It Free can be used to break up your dried curls after they are dry, but it is also a very useful product in keeping frizz down while diffusing your hair. If you are using a diffuser and notice a small veil of frizz starting to lift, gently mist the affected area with a very small spritz (remember, this is concentrated stuff, so be judicious). The Set It Free will calm any frizz that is starting to form during the diffusing process. Also, if you want to use Set It Free as a finishing tool, mist a few pumps into your hand and glaze it over your hair before scrunching instead of spraying it directly onto your curls - your newly dried hair will remain much drier than way.

    Set Me Up!
    This is the new pomade from DevaConcepts that can be used to "finish" your look (I love the stuff personally and have started using it instead of Set It Free to finish my own hair). Once your hair is dry, bend over and let your curls fall free. Take a pea-sized amount of Set Me Up! and rub it between your palms. Place your hands, curled into soft claws, onto your scalp from the underside and "scrub" your scalp gently all over to loosen the dried curls from your scalp. Then scrunch your curls in a firm, upward motion to break up the crystallized product before turning right-side up. You can also use a dab of Set Me Up! between your thumb and index finger to smooth individual curls for a more "piecey" look.

    Heaven in Hair
    This is the new deep moisture treatment from DevaConcepts, which I finally had the opportunity to use when I returned from the hair show. Hands down, the best deep treatment I've ever had in my life. I used it 24 hours after I colored my hair and cut my usual "after color curl freak-out" from five days down to two.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.
    I did it this way and really like how it turned out. I did have to use a lot of OneC to rake through because I was pretty tangled but it was actually easier to finger comb upside down. My hair took double the time to diffuse but I figured it would since I usually plop. My hair is defined and I barely had to SOTC. I'll def use more Angell next time as I have a little frizz but after the touch up thread I'm trying really hard not to fix it. I will def do this again!!! And here are the results
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2FJessCurls%2Fgoing-cg%2F1000860.html" class="Popup
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2FJessCurls%2Fgoing-cg%2F1000867.html" class="Popup
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.
    I did it this way and really like how it turned out. I did have to use a lot of OneC to rake through because I was pretty tangled but it was actually easier to finger comb upside down. My hair took double the time to diffuse but I figured it would since I usually plop. My hair is defined and I barely had to SOTC. I'll def use more Angell next time as I have a little frizz but after the touch up thread I'm trying really hard not to fix it. I will def do this again!!! And here are the results
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2FJessCurls%2Fgoing-cg%2F1000860.html" class="Popup
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2FJessCurls%2Fgoing-cg%2F1000867.html" class="Popup


    It looks great and you have clumps! I usually find my hair looks even better as the day goes on and I can get 2nd day hair with the routine.

    You guys inspired me...I'm typing this as my Heaven In Hair is working and then off to do my hair with Deva products today :)
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    icequeen wrote: »
    I rake a large amt. of OneC through my hair in the shower, then flip over and scrunch it through until it feels like seaweed and squishes which gets the clumps going. It sits on my hair through the shower routine. I then rinse upside down in cool water and firmly scrunch in a small amt. of OneC. Get out of the shower, scrunch lightly with a MF towel, spray 2-3 shots of SIF over my hair, smooth over Angell and then scrunch it through. Flip upright, clip and diffuse. This gives me the most clumping of any product line and is how my hair is done at Devachan. You can mix ArcAngell and Angell together. I find ArcAngell gives me more curls and has far more hold but I don't care for the crunchy feel in the wintertime.
    I did it this way and really like how it turned out. I did have to use a lot of OneC to rake through because I was pretty tangled but it was actually easier to finger comb upside down. My hair took double the time to diffuse but I figured it would since I usually plop. My hair is defined and I barely had to SOTC. I'll def use more Angell next time as I have a little frizz but after the touch up thread I'm trying really hard not to fix it. I will def do this again!!! And here are the results
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    It looks great and you have clumps! I usually find my hair looks even better as the day goes on and I can get 2nd day hair with the routine.

    You guys inspired me...I'm typing this as my Heaven In Hair is working and then off to do my hair with Deva products today :)
    NICE JESS!! Icequeen after you do the HIH will you still No-Poo and use the One C?
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

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    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    I use the HIH as Struttswife suggested on slightly damp hair. I then NoPoo and use One C. It contradicts the package so ??? but works. I'm getting my hair cut by a Deva stylist in two weeks and am going to ask her opinion.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • Lil'curlsLil'curls Posts: 275Registered Users
    Thanks again for all of the help guys. The flipped cold rinse helped a bit, but not entirely. I'm going to try a plop to see if that helps any. Thanks! :)
    Teenage curly with 3a-3b course curls
    Shampoo: DCLP
    Rinse Out: GVP conditioning balm in winter. Devacurl One Condition in Summer
    Co Wash: Suave
    Styler: LA Looks Curl Gel
    Leave in: Devacurl One Condition

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  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    I use the HIH as Struttswife suggested on slightly damp hair. I then NoPoo and use One C. It contradicts the package so ??? but works. I'm getting my hair cut by a Deva stylist in two weeks and am going to ask her opinion.
    That's why I asked, I like the idea of using it on damp hair and not having to PRE-poo, getting in the shower twice or hanging my head in the sink upside down. That's what keeps me from doing DT's more they're a PITA! It wasn't clear on Strutts instructions when she said she just rinses it out after, it sounded as if that's all she did just HIH for the day? :confused1: What does the Pkg. instruct?
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    Directions:
    Cleanse with DevaCurl or [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/DevaCare-Low-Poo-p-466.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=devacurl-devacare-lowpoo]DevaCare Low-Poo[/buylink] or No-Poo. Rinse. Then, lean forward and gently scrunch your hair with a paper towel. Next, bring your curls to an upright position and evenly distribute a palm full of Heaven In Hair to the mid-lengths and ends of the hair. If the scalp is dehydrated, apply a second palm full of Heaven In Hair to the scalp and massage directly into the dehydrated scalp area. Place the hair under a plastic cap for 15 to 30 minutes allowing the botanicals to penetrate, soothe and moisturize the hair. Rinse and enjoy the glorious benefits of Heaven in Hair!

    Someone else posted months ago and said Devachan told them to follow the above instructions but use OneC as a leave in following the rinse out. I used to follow the package but now use it on damp hair just because I'm too lazy for two trips to the shower. It's much more practical to just put it on, browse through NC.com and then hop in the shower. I haven't noticed a difference in how my hair responds. Anyone else out there willing to post how they use HIH??
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    It looks great and you have clumps! I usually find my hair looks even better as the day goes on and I can get 2nd day hair with the routine.
    I didn't get 2nd dair hair but I very rarely do. I'm too lazy to pineapple or buy a satin pillowcase or cap. BUT my hair looked great all day and night. I never had to touch-up and it stayed clumped, shiny, almost frizz free until 2am, YAY! Thank you for inspiring me to bring my Deva out of retirement. Now I need to go order some more...
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    You're very welcome. Glad I was able to help.

    If you are in the mood to buy, I would recommend ArcAngell before the SIF. I think mixing a little ArcAngell with the Angell really does enhance curls, hold and clumping. I did the whole routine this a.m. and was happy with my results.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • Jess the MessJess the Mess Posts: 5,844Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    You're very welcome. Glad I was able to help.

    If you are in the mood to buy, I would recommend ArcAngell before the SIF. I think mixing a little ArcAngell with the Angell really does enhance curls, hold and clumping. I did the whole routine this a.m. and was happy with my results.
    So you scrunch in ArcAngell then SIF then Angell?
    High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    You're very welcome. Glad I was able to help.

    If you are in the mood to buy, I would recommend ArcAngell before the SIF. I think mixing a little ArcAngell with the Angell really does enhance curls, hold and clumping. I did the whole routine this a.m. and was happy with my results.
    So you scrunch in ArcAngell then SIF then Angell?

    No, I use 2-3 light sprays of SIF over my wet hair (after OneC leave in) smooth it over, lightly scrunch and then I mix the Angell and ArcAngell in my hand, smooth it over and firmly scrunch. I use about 3/4 Angell and 1/4 ArcAngell when it's less humid and about 1/2 of each during the summer. I skipped the SIF today and my hair came out fine. The SIF seems to give more hold especially if I'm using just Angell and during the summer. It's one of those products that once mine is used up, I'll probably not repurchase. I did scrunch out the crunch today with Set Me Up which worked well applying it at the roots.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    icequeen wrote: »
    You're very welcome. Glad I was able to help.

    If you are in the mood to buy, I would recommend ArcAngell before the SIF. I think mixing a little ArcAngell with the Angell really does enhance curls, hold and clumping. I did the whole routine this a.m. and was happy with my results.
    Do you ever use ArcAngel w/o mixing in Angel? Just curious what prompted you to mix them? The Arc has more hold and it doesn't have the A-cone. Unless it's the A-cone that's giving you more clumping.....That is possible.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • icequeenicequeen Posts: 590Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    icequeen wrote: »
    You're very welcome. Glad I was able to help.

    If you are in the mood to buy, I would recommend ArcAngell before the SIF. I think mixing a little ArcAngell with the Angell really does enhance curls, hold and clumping. I did the whole routine this a.m. and was happy with my results.
    Do you ever use ArcAngel w/o mixing in Angel? Just curious what prompted you to mix them? The Arc has more hold and it doesn't have the A-cone. Unless it's the A-cone that's giving you more clumping.....That is possible.

    I will use just ArcAngell in the summer if I need strong hold. I mixed them because it was suggested at Devachan when I told them I liked the curl enhancement from ArcAngell but it was a little crunchy for me. I also really like the smell of Angell so the combo was born.
    3a Colored, Layered
    Currently loving:
    Cond: CJ Strengthing, Marie Dean, CJ Curl Rehab
    Leave -In: Marie Dean Red Clover, Coconut Lime Detangler and just about the entire line, CJ Rehab
    Gelly: UFDCM, Paul Brown Geletine Goo
    Towel - HG - Curls Like Us

    Always use the "Icequeen" method for products
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