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This Is Why I'm Opposed To The Death Penalty

SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
This is so sad. He was not on death row, but this is why I'm opposed to the death penalty. The justice system does make mistakes. People shouldn't have to pay for it with their lives.
Judge clears dead Texas man of rape conviction



A man who died in prison while serving time for a rape he didn't commit was cleared Friday by a judge who called the state's first posthumous DNA exoneration "the saddest case" he'd ever seen.

State District Judge Charles Baird ordered Timothy Cole's record expunged.
Cole was convicted of raping a Texas Tech University student in Lubbock in 1985 and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. He died in 1999 at age 39 from asthma complications.

DNA tests in 2008 connected the crime to Jerry Wayne Johnson, who is serving life in prison for separate rapes. Johnson testified in court Friday that he was the rapist in Cole's case and asked the victim and Cole's family to forgive him.

"I'm responsible for all this. I'm truly sorry for my pathetic behavior and selfishness. I hope and pray you will forgive me," Johnson said.
The Innocence Project of Texas said Cole's case was the first posthumous DNA exoneration in state history.

"I have his name," Cole's mother, Ruby Cole Session, said after the hearing. "That's what I wanted."

Cole and his relatives for years claimed he was innocent, but no one believed them until evidence from the original rape kit was tested for DNA. Cole had refused to plead guilty before trial in exchange for probation, and while in prison, he refused to admit to the crime when it could have earned him release on parole.

The Innocence Project pressed for a hearing to start the process of clearing Cole's name. Cole's family now wants Gov. Rick Perry to issue a formal pardon.

Michele Mallin, the rape victim in the case who originally identified Cole as her attacker, said she felt guilty that the wrong man went to prison. The Associated Press does not typically identify rape victims but Mallin, now 44, has come forward publicly to help clear Cole's name.

Confronting Johnson after his testimony, Mallin told him she was "going to try to forgive you, but it's going to take a long hard time. ... No woman deserves it. No person deserves what that man got. He could have been a father, he could have been a grandfather right now."

Mallin picked Cole out of a photo lineup that included at least six other pictures. All were standard jail mug shots except for Cole's photo, which was a Polaroid. Mallin later identified Cole in a live lineup and again at trial.

She said Lubbock officials had portrayed Cole as a violent criminal and a thug while investigating her case. The Lubbock County district attorney's office did not participate in the hearing.

Gary Wells, an Iowa State University professor and expert in witness testimony, said Friday that improperly conducted lineups could be manipulated and that witnesses tend to select the person who looks most like the perpetrator.

"If the real perpetrator is not in the lineup, it's a horrible strategy," Wells said.
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  • PoPo Posts: 2,607Registered Users
    Cole had refused to plead guilty before trial in exchange for probation, and while in prison, he refused to admit to the crime when it could have earned him release on parole.

    This is horrible. I always wonder what I would do in that type of situation. You want to believe the justice system works and that you'll be found not guilty. Poor man.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    It's a flawed system run by flawed humans and there will be errors.

    Of course there should be no death penalty. It's an archaic system and someday we will look back at it and shake our heads.
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    I'm glad for his family. It's cases like this that made (make?) me somewhat jaded when those guys from Duke were falsely accused. It was horrible, but let's face it, many guys get a whole lot worse than those guys did.

    I still support the death penalty but only when DNA tests have been included in the trial.
  • Nappy_curly_crownNappy_curly_crown Posts: 4,162Registered Users
    The state of Texas has a LONG history of railroading innocent people...black men in particular...into either pleding guilty to a crime they didn't commit or of creating a shame case based on little evidence and convicting an innocent man and sending him to his death. I often wonder how the police and district attorneys can sleep at night after they find out that they have the blood of innocent people on thier hands.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    wild~hair wrote: »
    It's a flawed system run by flawed humans and there will be errors.

    Of course there should be no death penalty. It's an archaic system and someday we will look back at it and shake our heads.

    Pretty much. One innocent person put to dealth is one too many and not a chance I think we as a country should be willing to take.
  • The New BlackThe New Black Posts: 16,738Registered Users
    That's one reason I oppose it. But really killing is just wrong. Period. Even if it's the gubmint doing it.
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  • ninja dogninja dog Posts: 23,780Registered Users
    I read about this too.

    I wonder if the family will be suing the state.
  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

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  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users
    The state of Texas has a LONG history of railroading innocent people...black men in particular...into either pleding guilty to a crime they didn't commit or of creating a shame case based on little evidence and convicting an innocent man and sending him to his death. I often wonder how the police and district attorneys can sleep at night after they find out that they have the blood of innocent people on their hands.
    Even in progressive states, it happens. Just a few weeks ago, a young man here in Washington was released from jail, where he had been awaiting trial for murder for a year. An eyewitness pegged him as the perpetrator in a bus stop shooting. There was even a surveillance video of the shooter, and they assumed it was this guy because it was a black guy, even though the video was very fuzzy. They finally proved it wasn't him by measuring the suspect's head and comparing it to the size of the shooter's head. Nope, not the same guy.

    People forget or don't realize that eyewitness testimony is often the most unreliable evidence of all.
    When are women going to face the fact that they don’t know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

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    I'm pro-choice and anti-dealth penalty. For ME, it's comparing apples and oranges. Also, i'm not only against the death penalty b/c an innocent person may be put to dealth.
  • newcurlynewcurly Posts: 1,310Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

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    Pro-choice, anti-death penalty.

    Fetus = potential life until 24 weeks (and after that can't be aborted unless danger to life/health of mother)

    Convincted criminal = ACTUAL life, not potential
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  • 2poodles2poodles Posts: 2,480Registered Users
    Another pro-choice, anti-death penalty.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    Its interesting to me that more liberal minded people are pro-abortion/anti-death penalty and more conservative minded people are anti-abortion/pro-death penalty. I'm pro life across the board. To me killing is killing and its wrong no matter what the circumstances.
  • WileE-DeadWileE-Dead Banned Posts: 24,963Banned Users
    Po wrote: »
    Cole had refused to plead guilty before trial in exchange for probation, and while in prison, he refused to admit to the crime when it could have earned him release on parole.

    This is horrible. I always wonder what I would do in that type of situation. You want to believe the justice system works and that you'll be found not guilty. Poor man.
    Yep...my bro is in the situation right now.
    Do you take the plea even if you are not guitly?
    You have to have much faith in your attny, that's for sure...
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  • PoPo Posts: 2,607Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

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    I don't know what to call myself any more (regarding abortion). But since my opposition to capital punishment is more than just about killing innocent people and more about not ending life PERIOD, I find myself becoming more and more anti-abortion. Spiritually, not necessarily legally.
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  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Its interesting to me that more liberal minded people are pro-abortion/anti-death penalty and more conservative minded people are anti-abortion/pro-death penalty. I'm pro life across the board. To me killing is killing and its wrong no matter what the circumstances.
    Not one person said they were pro-abortion.

    I don't believe in abortion for me in most cases, but I do believe that it's not up to me to decide what someone else believes. I am anti-death penalty as well.
    When are women going to face the fact that they don’t know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

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  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    mrspoppers wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Its interesting to me that more liberal minded people are pro-abortion/anti-death penalty and more conservative minded people are anti-abortion/pro-death penalty. I'm pro life across the board. To me killing is killing and its wrong no matter what the circumstances.
    Not one person said they were pro-abortion.

    I don't believe in abortion for me in most cases, but I do believe that it's not up to me to decide what someone else believes. I am anti-death penalty as well.

    Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.
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  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Its interesting to me that more liberal minded people are pro-abortion/anti-death penalty and more conservative minded people are anti-abortion/pro-death penalty. I'm pro life across the board. To me killing is killing and its wrong no matter what the circumstances.

    I'm pro-choice and pro-death penalty. Does that make me liberal or conservative or confused?
  • wild_sasparillawild_sasparilla Posts: 4,306Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    mrspoppers wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Its interesting to me that more liberal minded people are pro-abortion/anti-death penalty and more conservative minded people are anti-abortion/pro-death penalty. I'm pro life across the board. To me killing is killing and its wrong no matter what the circumstances.
    Not one person said they were pro-abortion.

    I don't believe in abortion for me in most cases, but I do believe that it's not up to me to decide what someone else believes. I am anti-death penalty as well.

    Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.

    Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    I'm curious how many of you anti-death penalty curlies feel the injustice of abortion is equal to or worse than Capitol Punishment. BTW I am against both, but since you were talking about the blood of innocents...

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    Nope. Don't equate the two, never will. Sorry.

    But I commend you. At least you're being consistent with your beliefs surrounding the sanctity of what you feel represents life. Unlike my mother, for example, and as you said, a lot of conservatives.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    Springcurl wrote: »
    mrspoppers wrote: »
    Not one person said they were pro-abortion.

    I don't believe in abortion for me in most cases, but I do believe that it's not up to me to decide what someone else believes. I am anti-death penalty as well.

    Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.

    Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.

    I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
  • SpringcurlSpringcurl Posts: 8,002Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »

    Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.

    Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.

    I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?

    Sure, but how about you use that term in a thread that you start about abortion rather than a thread that I started about the death penalty? Kaythanxbye.
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  • newcurlynewcurly Posts: 1,310Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    Springcurl wrote: »

    Perfect. That's exactly what I believe.

    Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.

    I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
    Only if I can call you anti-choice.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    newcurly wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »

    Yes, thank you. I get so annoyed when someone says I am pro-abortion. I am pro-choice, and to me it's about not dictating to women what to do with their own bodies like they can't handle tough choices on their own, because that is a scary slippery slope.

    I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
    Only if I can call you anti-choice.

    I would have to say I'm not anti-choice. There are lots of things we have the right to make choices about. I don't feel ending a life is one of them.
  • newcurlynewcurly Posts: 1,310Registered Users
    poisonivy wrote: »
    newcurly wrote: »
    poisonivy wrote: »

    I get equally annoyed when people use the term "choice". How about I say pro-abortion rights?
    Only if I can call you anti-choice.

    I would have to say I'm not anti-choice. There are lots of things we have the right to make choices about. I don't feel ending a life is one of them.

    It was tongue in cheek, you see. If you get to call me pro-abortion then i get to call you "anti-choice"

    Anyways, springcurl asked this discussion be taken elsewhere, so if you want to continue this discussion I suggest you do. Otherwise, I'm pretty much done with it.
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  • poisonivypoisonivy Posts: 1,551Registered Users
    I really didn't want to start a discussion about abortion. I was just curious if anybody other than me were opposed to both. I guess not all of us see a correlation.
  • maria_imaria_i Posts: 1,760Registered Users
    I am opposed to the death penalty and opposed to abortion as well.
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  • shellibeanshellibean Posts: 4,500Registered Users
    I am pro-choice but anti-abortion, it that makes sense. I am FOR ME having say so about my body, not the government, but I would never have considered abortion for myself. In my little fantasyland, I wish everyoen would just be nice and take care of the kids they make and then everythgin woudl be fine and dandy- only medically nessesary abortions would exist. But then you get rape, incest, pregnant 12 year olds, crack heads, etc. I am all abotu nobody suffering, so i guess if the choices are a person knowing they can't take care of the baby unborn and then born, and they choose to have an abortion, it's sad, but better then a child being born into a home that already isn't interested in caring for it. The truth is, just because people CAN put their chidlren up for adoption, doesn't mean they WILL. They just drag their kid wherever adn care for them when they feel like it. It's sick. I am pro- death penalty too. i think DNA proof should be required though. But if they do something horrible- give them death and lets not spend any more $$ or effort on their ass. WE are paying to care for THEM, when THEY did wrong. It's dumb.


    After readingmy thread, i guess I am not anti-abortion. I just think it is a better alternative than babies and chidlren suffering. What about not supporting continuous abortions??? Like the chicks who go get one every few years or something crazy like that. I don't really know what my solution would be.
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  • PigletPiglet Posts: 1,451Registered Users
    I'm pro death penalty and largely anti abortion (although pro choice). I'd describe myself as a leftie.
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