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2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
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DALLAS — A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.
Now officials from the winning school say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.
In a statement Thursday on The Covenant School's Web site, the head of school said, "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened." He went on to say that Covenant has made "a formal request to forfeit the game recognizing that a victory without honor is a great loss."
Last week Covenant, a private Christian school in Dallas, defeated Dallas Academy 100-0. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.
A parent who attended the game told The Associated Press that Covenant continued to make 3-pointers — even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.
"I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots," said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. "At some point, they should have backed off."
Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a "layup drill," with the opposing team's guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and "finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left," he said.
Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.
There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.
"On a personal note, I told the coach of the losing team how much I admire their girls for continuing to compete against all odds," Burleson said. "They showed much more character than the coach that allowed that score to get out of hand. It's up to the coach to control the outcome."
Covenant coach Micah Grimes and head of school Kyle Queal did not immediately respond to messages left by The Associated Press on Thursday.
In the statement on the Covenant Web site, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."
Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised "each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner." Civello said he appreciated the gesture and has accepted the apology "with no ill feelings."
At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.
"Even if you are losing, you might as well keep playing," said Shelby Hyatt, a freshman on the team. "Keep trying, and it's going to be OK."
Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.
"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."
So what do you think? Should they have slowed down and backed off? I think they should have.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    Personally, no. Either there a slaughter rule, or there isn't. I'm all for slaughter rule...
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    It's not good sportspersonship to keep pressing when you're ahead by that much. Shame on that coach. The kids, on both sides, don't get enjoyment out of that.
  • ScarletScarlet Posts: 3,125Registered Users
    It was the wrong thing to do. Even though some of the losing team's players are saying it was a good learning experience for them, it seems like the coach of the winning team needs a few lessons himself.
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    Personally, no. Either there a slaughter rule, or there isn't. I'm all for slaughter rule...

    I'm agreeing with Trenell here. I see no need for the winning team to apologize or forfeit the game. The only thing that would reinforce is the oddball notion that there are no winners and losers in life. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

    Besides, the story says that the girls from the losing team are not really bothered by the outcome, only the parents and other adults, which is an entirely different situation.
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  • wild~hairwild~hair Posts: 9,890Registered Users
    WTF?

    That's what I think of that story.
  • jeepcurlygurljeepcurlygurl Posts: 19,238Registered Users Curl Dabbler
    It's a game. One side wins, one side loses. There is no grey area.
    They won the game fair and square, they should keep the win and move on.
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  • mrspoppersmrspoppers Posts: 7,223Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Trenell wrote: »
    Personally, no. Either there a slaughter rule, or there isn't. I'm all for slaughter rule...
    I agree on both points. Forfeiting now just prolongs the whole bad experience.

    I find it odd that the teams are so disparate in their abilities. Don't they have different leagues?
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  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Are you ever loving kidding me?!?!? It's a competitive sport, of course they should have finished the game, unless the losing team wanted to forfeit. What's the sense in playing if you're not going to give it your all?

    Now, should the kids on the winning team have been encouraged to back off the 3-pointers? Meh, maybe, but I'm not convinced. If getting crushed was so horrifying for the losing team, they should have asked for an end to the game.
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  • CurlyEyesCurlyEyes Posts: 2,983Registered Users
    I'm...I'm confused. I was waiting for the joke at the end...seriously? I mean, they won the game. Backing off is basically going easy, which would have made me feel worse, because who wants pity? I think it's very cool that the other team kept on going, because, personally, I would have given up at halftime.
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  • rainshowerrainshower Posts: 4,420Registered Users
    It's a game. One side wins, one side loses. There is no grey area.
    They won the game fair and square, they should keep the win and move on.

    cosigning.

    umm what?

    back off because they were losing badly?

    i've never heard of a slaughter rule.

    the point of competitive sports is to compete.

    now, if the article had revealed that the schools' teams have completely different skill levels, i'd say that they shouldn't be playing in the same league and that the game wasn't fair from the start. even in my hometown, certain high schools would not play against each other because some were clearly nfl-worthy (if you will), while others were clearly on a flag football level. so those games would always be one-sided.

    in conclusion, similar teams with similar skill levels should compete. no mercy. play ball!

    ETA: the more i read this the more disturbed i get. is it that the covenent school relentlessly beat the other school 100 to zip, or was it the wild cheering from the coaches and fans that made people upset, in addition to the losing teams' zero point status? the article didn't even say that the winning team was being obnoxious during their sweeping victory. so what do they have to apologize about? this should be a lesson for the losing teams' coach. up your game plan. apparently the plays he/she set up didn't work against the other coaches' plays.

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  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    rainshower wrote: »
    It's a game. One side wins, one side loses. There is no grey area.
    They won the game fair and square, they should keep the win and move on.

    cosigning.

    umm what?

    back off because they were losing badly?

    i've never heard of a slaughter rule.

    the point of competitive sports is to compete.

    now, if the article had revealed that the schools' teams have completely different skill levels, i'd say that they shouldn't be playing in the same league and that the game wasn't fair from the start. even in my hometown, certain high schools would not play against each other because some were clearly nfl-worthy (if you will), while others were clearly on a flag football level. so those games would always be one-sided.

    in conclusion, similar teams with similar skill levels should compete. no mercy. play ball!

    ETA: the more i read this the more disturbed i get. is it that the covenent school relentlessly beat the other school 100 to zip, or was it the wild cheering from the coaches and fans that made people upset, in addition to the losing teams' zero point status? the article didn't even say that the winning team was being obnoxious during their sweeping victory. so what do they have to apologize about? this should be a lesson for the losing teams' coach. up your game plan. apparently the plays he/she set up didn't work against the other coaches' plays.

    this overused, yet appropriate quote most accurately says it all for me: "don't hate the player; hate the game."
    the point of competitive sports is to compete.

    now, if the article had revealed that the schools' teams have completely different skill levels, i'd say that they shouldn't be playing in the same league and that the game wasn't fair from the start. even in my hometown, certain high schools would not play against each other because some were clearly nfl-worthy (if you will), while others were clearly on a flag football level. so those games would always be one-sided.

    in conclusion, similar teams with similar skill levels should compete. no mercy. play ball!

    ITA. Anyone not giving it all they've got in a competitive sport should not be in the sport. That said, it's the responsibility of the league/governing body, judges, whatever to make sure the competitive levels of each team is up to par and ensures a good game.
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  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
    It's not good sportspersonship to keep pressing when you're ahead by that much. Shame on that coach. The kids, on both sides, don't get enjoyment out of that.


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    The coach needs to be reprimanded at least. And having been a student at a school with an abysmal record in football (to say the VERY least), it is very hard on them also.
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  • newcurlynewcurly Posts: 1,310Registered Users
    It was poor sportsmanship, but there's no slaughter rule.

    Our society is so caught up in "feel good" stuff that it makes me sick. When I was a kid (which wasn't that long ago) you won or your lost. If you lost and it was because you did something stupid, you might even *gasp* get yelled at by your coach. I know - unthinkable, right? But it made me a stronger athlete, a stronger person, more receptive to criticism, and a harder worker.

    On another note, when I was a cheerleader I remember our team beating another team 50-20 on Thanksgiving Day. We started the game with our first string playing. By the time it was 20-7 late in the first half they put in the second string. By the time it was 35-10, in went the third string. But everyone just kept scoring even as they went to the less skilled players. Should they have stopped playing?
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  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    newcurly wrote: »
    Our society is so caught up in "feel good" stuff that it makes me sick.

    While I think there's some validity to the "feel good stuff," I think making a sports team forfeit a game just because they crushed the competition is overkill, bigtime. Sometimes in life people are going to find themselves completely outmatched, and they have to be able to identify and deal with it. You can't expect anyone to apologize to you for being better, or for taking advantage of their-- well, advantage. It's not like that in real life, and high school is nothing if nor preparation for real life.
    "And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
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  • newcurlynewcurly Posts: 1,310Registered Users
    newcurly wrote: »
    Our society is so caught up in "feel good" stuff that it makes me sick.

    While I think there's some validity to the "feel good stuff," I think making a sports team forfeit a game just because they crushed the competition is overkill, bigtime. Sometimes in life people are going to find themselves completely outmatched, and they have to be able to identify and deal with it. You can't expect anyone to apologize to you for being better, or for taking advantage of their-- well, advantage. It's not like that in real life, and high school is nothing if nor preparation for real life.
    Um, if you read my post I think it's pretty clear that I'm not advocating a forfeit, a reprimand from the coach or anything like that. Like I said, I'm tired of this "feel good" stuff - which includes people apologizing for being better at something than someone else.
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  • 2happy2happy Posts: 5,138Registered Users
    newcurly wrote: »
    We started the game with our first string playing. By the time it was 20-7 late in the first half they put in the second string. By the time it was 35-10, in went the third string. But everyone just kept scoring even as they went to the less skilled players.
    Exactly what is done around here also.
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  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users
    rainshower wrote: »
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    in conclusion, similar teams with similar skill levels should compete. no mercy. play ball!

    This is how I feel too. This is what makes games exciting. I would be ticked off as a player to have to dumb down my skills just so the other team feels competitive.
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  • OBBOBB Posts: 4,174Registered Users
    the point is to win and if the outcome was decided at half time then its time to ease off the gas pedal. empty your bench, burn some time off the clock, ease off the pressure on defense/offense. theres no rule against unsportsmanslike conduct but its still unsportsmanlike.
  • tctc Posts: 986Registered Users
    I think the losing team should have stepped up their efforts :) why should only the winning team make an adjustment when the score gap is so large??
  • OBBOBB Posts: 4,174Registered Users
    from indepth reading i learned that the school only had 20 girls in the whole school. so the team is probably amazingly bad. i just feel that in this particular situation since winning was never in doubt ease up. nothing wrong with a little mercy.
  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    newcurly wrote: »
    newcurly wrote: »
    Our society is so caught up in "feel good" stuff that it makes me sick.

    While I think there's some validity to the "feel good stuff," I think making a sports team forfeit a game just because they crushed the competition is overkill, bigtime. Sometimes in life people are going to find themselves completely outmatched, and they have to be able to identify and deal with it. You can't expect anyone to apologize to you for being better, or for taking advantage of their-- well, advantage. It's not like that in real life, and high school is nothing if nor preparation for real life.
    Um, if you read my post I think it's pretty clear that I'm not advocating a forfeit, a reprimand from the coach or anything like that. Like I said, I'm tired of this "feel good" stuff - which includes people apologizing for being better at something than someone else.

    Um, if you read my post you'd notice I'm agreeing with you.
    "And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
    Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
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  • hayseedladyhayseedlady Posts: 646Registered Users
    This isn't something the coach needs to address, whoever decided to put a Class A school playing against a 3A or 4A school needs to have their hands slapped. Maybe the smaller school would have to travel further distances to play against equally competitive schools. Oh well so is life when you go to a small school. I only had 20 girls in my school, we traveled for hours on a bus to play. Today with so many consolidations kids are traveling 3 hours one way.

    We had our butts handed to us, it gave us a reason try harder next time against the same team. Other times it was us on top.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 39,059 Administrator
    They shouldn't have played unevenly matched teams. It's no contest and takes the sport right out of it. I don't think they should forfeit their win because they did win it because they played the best. The coaches should have some disciplinary action taken against them. It isn't the kids' fault, on either side.