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texture = best products

rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
anyone interested starting a thread about specific hair textures -- one for each - fine, medium, coarse?
i find that hair texture is more important when trying to figure out which products work best, how much, much more important that curl type.
thoughts?

3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
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  • mem53mem53 Posts: 25Registered Users
    I think how strong your curl pattern is also makes a big difference. If you have a lazy curl pattern like me, you need stronger holding products than someone who has strong curl pattern and can get away just using curl creams.
    3a, fine, thinner, below chin length
  • Oriental CurlOriental Curl Posts: 201Registered Users
    Yes, I agree, but I think the OP might have a point. I think that the fact that my curl pattern is lazy might come from the fact that hair is very fine. I suspect that fine hair holds a curl less easily than courser hair, but I have NO experience with the latter to back-up this opinion. (sorry about the clumsiness of that last sentence: it made perfect sense inside my head). Maybe someone with more experience (or with very fine but really curly hair) can correct me?
    Hair: LOTS of fine hair, mainly variations of 2 (FIA), now cut into a just-above-the-shoulder layered bob.

    Products: MOP C-System Curl Enhancing shampoo
    Original Source conditioners for co-washing and conditioning
    MOP C-System Curl Defining Cream
    Boots clear gel and/or Joico Joiwhip
    Joico Curl Activator on the second day.
  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    I feel that porosity is a factor too. I have hair that's between fine and medium but resilient curls. But the curl gets greasy, lanky and undefined (a general mess) if I over condition and I think I OC easily because my hair is porous. Oddly enough it doesn't seem to get weighed down from styling products.

    I agree that, for me, curl type isn't that important when using products. In some ways it behaves like 3B and others like 2A.

    So many variables :dontknow:
    Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
    Current Experiment: S&C by D

    Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs :love4:


    Sulphate and cone free since July 2007

    wavy/curly fine texture/medium porosity/medium-low density

    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fwhatsercurl%2F" class="Popup

    PW: wavycurly

    Seek not to change the world. Rather seek to change your mind about the world.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I agree with whatsercurl. I think porosity may be "the" factor. My hair is fine and has low porosity (I think.) I can use the heavier products and not weigh down my curls. My fine curls are also lazy, I always thought I was a 3a in summer and a 2 in winter. Now that I have the products and technique--most would say I'm a 3b when I'm done my routine. Of course, going out on these windy cold days with single digit and negative dew points isn't good for anyone's curls!
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • mpgirlmpgirl Posts: 1,163Registered Users
    I agree with KM and Whatsercurl. I think porosity determines how much product your hair can utilize and and how much moisture you can retain. I use some of the same products as KM, but they can easily weigh my 3b/3c curls down. My hair is more porous than KM's.

    Since I have learned that I have a medium porosity and a medium texture, I changed how much product I use. It has made a huge difference. I thought that because my curl pattern was so robust that I had to use tons of product on it. It seemed to soak it up. Once I got a good balance of moisture into my curls, I didn't need so much product. I'm not layering as many products either any more.

    Curl pattern is curl pattern. I can't really alter that naturally (except for a little tighter or a little "bigger").:happy7:
    3b spirals, fine texture, normal porosity, dense
    Picasa:
    Link
    Deva Low Poo
    Suave Naturals Coconut for detangling
    Renpure Organics conditioner/leave-in
    Homemade FSG
    KCCC
    Curl Junkie Stuff
    BRHG


    Nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect. -wabi-sabi

  • starcrosserstarcrosser Posts: 183Registered Users
    How can you tell what kind of porosity your hair has?

    Good idea for a thread though - to discuss the different textures. I have very fine textured hair, and I find that a lot of curly-hair favorites don't work for me.
    3A curls, fine texture, thin (it's always been that way). A few inches past shoulder length and would like it to grow very long.

    Latest routine:
    Sulfate-free shampoo: Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo, Elucence, Bedhead Superstar
    Conditioner: Jessicurl Too Shea conditioner, DermOrganic Masque, Redken All Soft
    Style: DermOrganic Argan Oil Treatment/Serum, Kinky Curly Knot Today leave-in, Kerastase Nectar Thermique, Oyin Hair Dew
  • mpgirlmpgirl Posts: 1,163Registered Users
    Read about it here.
    3b spirals, fine texture, normal porosity, dense
    Picasa:
    Link
    Deva Low Poo
    Suave Naturals Coconut for detangling
    Renpure Organics conditioner/leave-in
    Homemade FSG
    KCCC
    Curl Junkie Stuff
    BRHG


    Nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect. -wabi-sabi

  • mem53mem53 Posts: 25Registered Users
    mpgirl, thanks for that link. It was very informative!!
    3a, fine, thinner, below chin length
  • curry curlscurry curls Posts: 972Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Ok, so my hair is fine and porous. It's pretty short. Just cut off a couple of inches and it's just below my ears when wet. My hair isn't damaged, but it's pretty dry...getting better though thanks to CG and now holds a good curl in Winter also thanks to CG. I don't know if my products are heavy or just moisturizing. I put in about one tablespoon or even a bit more of my conditioning balm after co-washing and conditioning and a pea size amount of gel. I also scrunch after it's dry with the N&S. My hair doesn't get weighed down at all. I also tend to agree with Oriental Curl about fine hair not holding a curl as well as coarser hair. My youngest has somewhat coarse hair and I was thinking that her hair holds a curl better than mine does.
    Started CG July 8, 2008


    3B

    Co-wash: Deva Decadence No Poo
    Rinse out: Deva Decadence One Condition
    Leave-in/Styling: Deva Decadence One Condition, Deva Supercream, and Deva B'leave-in
    Others: ACV rinses and protein treatments


  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    yes, porosity does make a difference. i'm still not 100% certain what mine is, altho i think i'm medium to high.
    i think texture tells me what products to use, and porosity how much??????
    by the way, struttswife's website is very enlightening about this, as is her blog.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • starcrosserstarcrosser Posts: 183Registered Users
    That's a very helpful link; thank you for posting it.

    However, unless I missed it, the article didn't mention any tips for working with your hair's texture. She did mention how using the wrong type of products for your texture can affect things. Does anyone have any resources on what kind of products and care should be given to each of the hair textures?

    I did the strand test. The first time I did it, the hair felt pretty smooth. So I did it a few more times to see if I was missing anything (haha). After a few swipes, it looked a little more roughed up. So I'm guessing I have normal to high porosity. Now I just need to know what to do with that little piece of information. :)
    3A curls, fine texture, thin (it's always been that way). A few inches past shoulder length and would like it to grow very long.

    Latest routine:
    Sulfate-free shampoo: Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo, Elucence, Bedhead Superstar
    Conditioner: Jessicurl Too Shea conditioner, DermOrganic Masque, Redken All Soft
    Style: DermOrganic Argan Oil Treatment/Serum, Kinky Curly Knot Today leave-in, Kerastase Nectar Thermique, Oyin Hair Dew
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    if you go to her blog, tiffany's blog, which is listed on her website, livecurlylivefree, you will learn a lot more about texture. you can just click on it from the website, the menu on the lefthand side of home page. i found it very helpful. on her blog she stated that the next time she will discuss porosity -- i am waiting!

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • persephone5persephone5 Posts: 201Registered Users
    hmmm.....I just did the test and I can't tell if I am normal or low porosity. I'm not sure if my hair repels products or not lol how do you think I can tell??

    I know my hair takes a long time to dry, even with it short and thinned out.

    it feels pretty smooth and it kinda squeaks going up lol
    old fotki that I'm gonna use as my current one: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fpublic.fotki.com%2Fnumbersix%2F" class="Popup
    password: funcurls

    hairtype: not sure anymore. it used to be 3b. texture:medium
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    hmmm.....I just did the test and I can't tell if I am normal or low porosity. I'm not sure if my hair repels products or not lol how do you think I can tell??

    I know my hair takes a long time to dry, even with it short and thinned out.

    it feels pretty smooth and it kinda squeaks going up lol

    I kind of feel the same way. I know my hair isn't porous, it feels smooth doing the "test." But, it's so fine, it's hard to "feel" anything. I don't have trouble doing color process or getting it "wet" in the shower, or the other "indicators" of low porosity hair.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • rbbrbb Posts: 4,095Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    on struttswife's blog, tiffanys blog, she is going to discuss porosity in detail next time she blogs. i am hoping it is soon. i, also, could not say for sure what my porosity is.
    don't you wish we could send her samples and she send back a report!! haha!! that would be great. then, continuing with the fantasy, the curl chemist would take that info and shop with us (like a what not to wear, only what not to use!) and pick out all the right products for our hair!! and, of course, there'd be that nice check that goes along with the what not to wear. i can have my fantasy, right? :-) it is difficult trying to read all this and make sense of it. would so love to have an interpreter who knew for sure. but then you have the humidity to deal with, which in itself is not bad, but then you have outside humidity and inside humidity, and my poor hair at times gets confused!! :-)
    our straight-haired sisters have no idea! but, i'd much rather have curly hair and do love my hair.

    3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity :-(
    washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
    leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
    styling: cj aloe fix gel, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab.
    sealants - jane carter nourish & shine
  • starcrosserstarcrosser Posts: 183Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    hmmm.....I just did the test and I can't tell if I am normal or low porosity. I'm not sure if my hair repels products or not lol how do you think I can tell??

    I know my hair takes a long time to dry, even with it short and thinned out.

    it feels pretty smooth and it kinda squeaks going up lol

    I kind of feel the same way. I know my hair isn't porous, it feels smooth doing the "test." But, it's so fine, it's hard to "feel" anything. I don't have trouble doing color process or getting it "wet" in the shower, or the other "indicators" of low porosity hair.

    Same here! I have no problem with my hair taking color. I also have no problem with overdoing product on wet hair. I can pile as much as I want, it's never too much (despite the fact that my hair is fine and thin). I wonder if this is because it only absorbs so much and then the rest evaporates? Hmmm..
    3A curls, fine texture, thin (it's always been that way). A few inches past shoulder length and would like it to grow very long.

    Latest routine:
    Sulfate-free shampoo: Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo, Elucence, Bedhead Superstar
    Conditioner: Jessicurl Too Shea conditioner, DermOrganic Masque, Redken All Soft
    Style: DermOrganic Argan Oil Treatment/Serum, Kinky Curly Knot Today leave-in, Kerastase Nectar Thermique, Oyin Hair Dew
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    Same here! I have no problem with my hair taking color. I also have no problem with overdoing product on wet hair. I can pile as much as I want, it's never too much (despite the fact that my hair is fine and thin). I wonder if this is because it only absorbs so much and then the rest evaporates? Hmmm..

    Oh, I can overdo product on wet hair. I don't have a lot of hair--so I don't need much. This is especially true of some of the heavier products.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • starcrosserstarcrosser Posts: 183Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    Oh, I can overdo product on wet hair. I don't have a lot of hair--so I don't need much. This is especially true of some of the heavier products.

    That's the weird part. I have super thin hair. It's odd. Most of the products that are too heavy for thin hair work fine for me.
    3A curls, fine texture, thin (it's always been that way). A few inches past shoulder length and would like it to grow very long.

    Latest routine:
    Sulfate-free shampoo: Jessicurl Gentle Lather Shampoo, Elucence, Bedhead Superstar
    Conditioner: Jessicurl Too Shea conditioner, DermOrganic Masque, Redken All Soft
    Style: DermOrganic Argan Oil Treatment/Serum, Kinky Curly Knot Today leave-in, Kerastase Nectar Thermique, Oyin Hair Dew
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    That's the weird part. I have super thin hair. It's odd. Most of the products that are too heavy for thin hair work fine for me.

    That's why I thought my hair might be low porosity. But I thinking medium to low.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • MimsTXMimsTX Posts: 3,482Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I feel that porosity is a factor too. I have hair that's between fine and medium but resilient curls. But the curl gets greasy, lanky and undefined (a general mess) if I over condition and I think I OC easily because my hair is porous. Oddly enough it doesn't seem to get weighed down from styling products.

    I agree that, for me, curl type isn't that important when using products. In some ways it behaves like 3B and others like 2A.

    So many variables :dontknow:

    Ditto, except I'm more mediumto coarse for texture, and medium to high for porosity. Still, my hair seems to behave VERY similarly to whatsercurl's. Basically every product we've tried, it's reacted the same way on our hair (I think the only exception to that might be BRHG...)

    The common denominator for us is the porosity. I think my hair's a bit more coarse and thick than hers is, but we both seem to absorb in the same way.
    CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
    CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
    Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
    Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
    HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
  • .Musical.Junkie..Musical.Junkie. Posts: 191Registered Users
    i think i have fine to medium texture with low porosity...when i used to dye my hair it wouldn't take the dye very well...and it doesn't absorb products very much either, i can always add more...the only time my hair feels gross is when i use gel, so i'm trying to use AVG and giovanni mousse
    3B, fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity

    Starting CG over beginning June 2013

    Co-Wash: Treseme Naturals
    Cleanse: Waiting on DB and CJDF
    Rinse out: Biolage CB, Yes to Carrots, Giovanni 50:50
    LI: Treseme Naturals, Yes to Carrots
    Stylers: KCCC
    PT: IAgirl's PT

    No: Polyquats, BTMS in leave-ins/stylers
    Yes: Protein, ACV, Oils
  • StruttsWifeStruttsWife Posts: 819Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Okay, the post on porosity is now on my blog.

    I'm sorry it took me a while. I just don't seem to have enough hours in the day anymore!
    - Tiffany
    Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

    Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
    Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

    Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
    3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    Okay, the post on porosity is now on my blog.

    I'm sorry it took me a while. I just don't seem to have enough hours in the day anymore!
    I'm SOOOOOO confused?! I've never had my hair colored so how would I know how porous I am??? Back in the day when I used to perm (when I was a TEEN) I do remember they had to use double the amt of perm solution because my hair would DRINK it up...I think that means I'm LOW?
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    DEL2C wrote: »
    I'm SOOOOOO confused?! I've never had my hair colored so how would I know how porous I am??? Back in the day when I used to perm (when I was a TEEN) I do remember they had to use double the amt of perm solution because my hair would DRINK it up...I think that means I'm LOW?

    I think that means your hair is porous. Low porosity doesn't soak up product.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • DEL2CDEL2C Posts: 6,418Registered Users
    kathymack wrote: »
    DEL2C wrote: »
    I'm SOOOOOO confused?! I've never had my hair colored so how would I know how porous I am??? Back in the day when I used to perm (when I was a TEEN) I do remember they had to use double the amt of perm solution because my hair would DRINK it up...I think that means I'm LOW?

    I think that means your hair is porous. Low porosity doesn't soak up product.
    I was thinking that too but according to the description of Porous hair it means you're hair is damaged?! My hair is FAR from damaged I don't even color and my hairdresser says it's strong and healthy. I don't get it........:confused1:
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

    I'm aCurlJunkieJunky :love4:

    My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars :tongue6:


    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Durr, I'm confused.

    If I run up a strand backwards, it feels sort of wiry, as if the individual hair has kinks and bends. It's not slippery, but I can't say if it's ruffly or not.

    I'm med to coarse in texture.

    I take my color fairly easily, and it fades in about 5 weeks - but it's red, and reds do fade.

    I'm a big protein hater, but not sure if that relates more to texture, porosity, or both.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • ReddishRocksReddishRocks Posts: 779Registered Users
    Wasn't there some float test for porosity once? I haven't ever colored my hair, so I don't know how it would take to chemicals.

    17May09GlenEyriecrop-1.jpg

    Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
    2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
    M/C ii

    Mod CG: Sept 08
    Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
    Humectants: @ dew point 40+
    My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Wasn't there some float test for porosity once? I haven't ever colored my hair, so I don't know how it would take to chemicals.

    I can't remember if that was for porosity or conditioning. I did float for about a day and then sunk a couple of inches.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • ReddishRocksReddishRocks Posts: 779Registered Users
    Eh poop. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?p=267635#poststop

    That's what I was thinking of, and it was moisture related. Back to the drawing board. :D

    17May09GlenEyriecrop-1.jpg

    Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
    2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
    M/C ii

    Mod CG: Sept 08
    Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
    Humectants: @ dew point 40+
    My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I hope Tiffany finds time this weekend to check in. This calls for some fun, investigative geekiness!
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
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