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bouncier curls

What products do you find make your curls bouncier/tighter/springier?

I'm new here- I'd do an introduction but it's 2am haha... I just thought I'd quickly ask this so that maybe I'd have some answers when I wake up.
mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
fine/thin, but lots of it.

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  • cfrycfry Posts: 73Registered Users
    I am having great success with Curls by Sisters Smith Wet Set Pudding. I've been using it for about 3 weeks now and I have better curls than I've had in a long time! And it's not very expensive, even after you pay shipping. I generally use different products every time I do my hair, but I've been so happy with this that I haven't changed anything in the last several washes. Good luck with finding something you like!
    Currently using:
    shampoo bars, GVP K-Pak, Abba Pure Gentle Leave-in, Mop curl cream, Babaii Mousse and BRHG
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Honestly? Humidity. Summer hair is far bouncier than winter hair.

    For example:

    July '08 hair

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    January '09 hair

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    No, my hair did not grow half a foot in that short of a time, but the humidity-induced curl pattern change makes a big difference.
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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    I agree - I want summer back. With the dewpoints in the teens and (last week) in the negatives I am getting staticy/frizzy hair no matter what I do. I am also wondering if I might need a deep treatment.
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  • kaymoorekaymoore Posts: 298Registered Users
    Honestly? Humidity. Summer hair is far bouncier than winter hair.

    For example:

    July '08 hair

    vspgjo.jpg

    January '09 hair

    2cgk4g8.jpg

    No, my hair did not grow half a foot in that short of a time, but the humidity-induced curl pattern change makes a big difference.

    I love your hair in summer and winter. It is beautiful.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Thank you kaymoore!

    Still, I really wish I could be a 3c.... how often I've wondered if I could just go get a straw set.

    This winter, I'm learning to just accept the weather induced changes. As long as I keep my hair healthy and maintain the proper protein/moisture balance, I should just be happy with whatever curl pattern happens that day. I'm learing to focus less on maintaining a certain type.
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  • goldilocks036goldilocks036 Posts: 52Registered Users
    Alright I'll introduce myself now that I'm not falling asleep :P I know there's a section for this but I figure not many people check that section.

    I have 3a curls at the moment. I used to have tight springy curls at the ends with almost straight hair farther up. I don't even know how to explain my hair just before that, because I had no idea how to handle curly hair, so I'm pretty sure I ended up brushing it in the morning when it was dry :/

    Anyway, now my hair is naturally almost straight in the bottom "nape" area, mostly 2b and frizzy in the very top layer (the layer always exposed), and some 2b and some 3a throughout the rest of my hair.

    I got a perm a few weeks ago because I missed my old curls that I just didn't even know how to manage back then, and I wanted to even out the curl so that the bottom layers and the roots were curlier.

    I don't know yet what my hair is sensitive to and what it likes.

    I guess that's all there is to say for now... Oh yeah- I don't have an established routine, but at the moment I use Tresemme Moisture Rich shampoo and conditioner, Tresemme Curl Hydration Lotion, and sometimes Matrix curl.life Spiral Spray. Sometimes I use VitaminShampoo and VitaminConditioner, which you'd think would be nice since it's sulfate-free and all that, but I've only used it once since my perm, since it seems to give my hair that squeaky feeling when it's wet.
    mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
    fine/thin, but lots of it.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Welcome goldilocks!

    The straight root, curly end pattern you describe is very typical for a 3a. There's nothing wrong with it, and it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with your roots. One needs to be a solid 3b before you can keep a solid root curl.

    With the changes you have now, it sounds as if your hair may just be dry, especially in the way you describe your canopy. Some moisture will help a good bit with this, and so will spring and its higher humidity.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • goldilocks036goldilocks036 Posts: 52Registered Users
    Is the Tresemme Moisture Rich a bad idea since its second ingredient is Sodium Laureth Sulfate?
    mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
    fine/thin, but lots of it.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Is the Tresemme Moisture Rich a bad idea since its second ingredient is Sodium Laureth Sulfate?

    For me, it would be because I avoid sulfates. My hair tends to run dry, and that sulfate would be no friend to me.

    Have you investigated going sulfate free or using the cg method? It can really help to address the dryness that can come with curly hair, and it can work well to being out the curl pattern.

    This link gives an overview of the cg method. There is also a poo-less forum that can help. You can also ask here.

    For some visual proof of what going mostly silicone and sulfate free can do for you, check this link.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • goldilocks036goldilocks036 Posts: 52Registered Users
    I forgot to say I also have very fine hair. I'd always thought it was thick until we learned how to take measurements with a microscope a few years back by measuring the width of our hair strands. So now I can confidently say that I have verrrryy thin/fine hair- and lots of it.
    mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
    fine/thin, but lots of it.
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I forgot to say I also have very fine hair. I'd always thought it was thick until we learned how to take measurements with a microscope a few years back by measuring the width of our hair strands. So now I can confidently say that I have verrrryy thin/fine hair- and lots of it.

    That's OK. Going sulfate free or low sulfate can still work for you. You will probably end up needing a less rich conditioner than the coarse haired curly - after you are satisifed that your current dryness has been taken care of.

    There is a thread for fine haired curlies around here somewhere - you can search it out.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

    Med/Coarse, porous curly.
  • goldilocks036goldilocks036 Posts: 52Registered Users
    How am I supposed to know what my hair needs? More protein / more moisture, etc ?

    Also what would be some signs that sulfates are bad for my hair? I'd rather figure that out before I spend extra money just to try something new.
    mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
    fine/thin, but lots of it.
  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    How am I supposed to know what my hair needs? More protein / more moisture, etc ?

    Also what would be some signs that sulfates are bad for my hair? I'd rather figure that out before I spend extra money just to try something new.

    Sulfates are bad for curly hair in general. Read why here: /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fdormroomcurly.blogspot.com%2F2008%2F12%2Fstyle-definitions-table.html" class="Popup

    Basically to sum up what's in there, sulfates strip your hair of it's natural oils. When that happens, curlies often turn to silicone loaded products because silicones coat the hair shaft and make the layers of the hair cuticle lay flat. It's a quick fix for a big problem. The silicones seal your hair and prevent moisture that it very badly needs from getting in and keep the harsh detergents (sulfates) in where they can cause long term damage like drying and brittleness. A lot of us on this forum follow a method of hair care that involves cutting out sulfates and silicones called the Curly Girl (CG) method
  • JournalistJournalist Posts: 366Registered Users
    How am I supposed to know what my hair needs? More protein / more moisture, etc ?

    Also what would be some signs that sulfates are bad for my hair? I'd rather figure that out before I spend extra money just to try something new.


    I actually used the Suave Coconut (which has protein) for a couple of weeks, loved the results, and THEN developed a sensitivity. Your best bet is to just experiment... Suave is a good brand that will only set you back about $2. :)
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  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    ITA with rcc - summer does make for bouncier, plumper curls.

    I have tried many different product combos in the past month trying to get rid of the drab lifeless curls. A protein treatment helped a bit, Curlisto application method helped somewhat, learned to not use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] (which others find a godsend) as it drags my curls down but the biggest find is that I go to the sauna at the gym a couple times a week. The heat makes quite a difference. Mine is a dry sauna but if you have access to a wet one it would probably be even better.
    Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
    Current Experiment: S&C by D

    Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs :love4:


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  • aoedecmjaoedecmj Posts: 85Registered Users
    ITA with rcc - summer does make for bouncier, plumper curls.

    I have tried many different product combos in the past month trying to get rid of the drab lifeless curls. A protein treatment helped a bit, Curlisto application method helped somewhat, learned to not use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] (which others find a godsend) as it drags my curls down but the biggest find is that I go to the sauna at the gym a couple times a week. The heat makes quite a difference. Mine is a dry sauna but if you have access to a wet one it would probably be even better.

    Crud . . . I thought [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] was expensive . . . now I've got install a suana???
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  • whatsercurlwhatsercurl Posts: 4,049Registered Users
    aoedecmj wrote: »
    ITA with rcc - summer does make for bouncier, plumper curls.

    I have tried many different product combos in the past month trying to get rid of the drab lifeless curls. A protein treatment helped a bit, Curlisto application method helped somewhat, learned to not use [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] (which others find a godsend) as it drags my curls down but the biggest find is that I go to the sauna at the gym a couple times a week. The heat makes quite a difference. Mine is a dry sauna but if you have access to a wet one it would probably be even better.

    Crud . . . I thought [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink] was expensive . . . now I've got install a suana???
    :laughing9:

    rofl ... not that I wouldn't consider installing one but a gym membership might be slightly cheaper
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  • tiawanaatiawanaa Posts: 1Registered Users
    see my hairtype is 3a .... my sister has type 3b and i LOVE her hair with a passion . i want my curls to become tighter , bouncy , and spiraly like hers . but i dont have the money to be buying all these crazy hair products you speak of ?? what should i do !!! i hate my hair (/.\)
  • Firefox7275Firefox7275 Posts: 3,750Registered Users
    tiawanaa wrote: »
    see my hairtype is 3a .... my sister has type 3b and i LOVE her hair with a passion . i want my curls to become tighter , bouncy , and spiraly like hers . but i dont have the money to be buying all these crazy hair products you speak of ?? what should i do !!! i hate my hair (/.\)

    What are your hair properties and routine at present? Are you full or modified Curly Girl?

    My hair became curlier when I quit sulphate surfactants and silicones, recently accidentally used a silicone again and got stringy lank hair. DIY deep treatments with coconut oil and sugar syrup (many use honey) make my hair curl up tighter.

    Not all the products mentioned here are expensive: Suave is cheap AFAIK. Plenty of people here do Curly Girl on a drugstore budget.
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    Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
    Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
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