natural anti humectants??

pinkmariposapinkmariposa Registered Users Posts: 70
I just ordered some stuff from MHC and I've found some interesting things on humectants I'm going back and forth and don't really know if this stuff is going to work on my hair because I live in a really humid place- Houston, TX.

at the same time my hair has been feeling really dry, frizzy, and undefined so I thought all of these natural and rich ingredients will help moisturize my hair.

Now I'm wondering if I should try an anti-humectant gel or pomade after putting the MHC in my hair to help seal in the moisture???

any advice? any natural anti humectants that you guys use?

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  • ArianaaArianaa Registered Users Posts: 6
    Sorry, I've got no advice for you here. But I would like the know the answer to the same question. I was wondering that as well. :help:
    Location: Southern California
    3a-3b, sometimes even 3c
    . Coarse.
    On the porous side. Just under my shoulders
    . Thick.
    Black/Dark Brown Hair.
    CG since February '09
  • melaniesusanmelaniesusan Registered Users Posts: 948 Curl Neophyte
    The curl chemist wrote a recent article in which she suggested the following:

    dew point below 35 F = use minimal humectants
    dew point 35 - 50 F = can use lots of humectants
    dew point above 60 F = use anti-humectants

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/ingredients/humidity-humectants-and-the-dew-point

    She also said that the following ingredients function as anti-humectants:

    silicones, esters, hydrogenated castor oil, beeswax, and plant triglycerides such as coconut oil, palm oil, olive oil, and shea butter

    An anti-humectant product with all natural ingredients that she recommended is:

    Hair Pomade by John Masters Organics
    Ingredients: Extra virgin olive oil, organic beeswax, mango butter, babassu oil, jojoba, wheat germ oil, pure essential oils of bay laurel, cedar atlas, fir balsam and massoia, vitamins A, C & E. Certified Organic Ingredients.

    I tried a sample of it in my hair via a tester at the health food store. I found it too heavy for use in low dews, but thought it might be nice in high dews.
    hair type: 2B/3A
    low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
    condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab
    winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
    summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CIAB + Curl Queen
    http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
  • MarllonMarllon Registered Users Posts: 104
    Melanie Susan, does the information regarding the dew points also apply to vegetable glycerin? Because I'm unsure as to if vegetable glycerin is a humectant like conventional glycerin.
    3a/3b
    Unsure about density
    Confused about porosity

    Co-wash/condition: Alberto VO5 Moisture Milks

    Leave-in: Giovanni Direct Leave-in Conditioner

    Styling product: Clairol Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl-Boosting Mousse
  • melaniesusanmelaniesusan Registered Users Posts: 948 Curl Neophyte
    Personally, I've had frizz from either kind of glycerin when it is high on the ingredient list and the dew point outside is low (below 35 or 40 F).

    I can tolerate it in very small doses in the winter --perhaps because I use heavier leave-ins then so my hair is pretty moisturized to begin with -- but that's about it.

    Now that the dew points are up, I don't seem to have any problem with glycerin. But in the winter, it was a real issue for me.
    hair type: 2B/3A
    low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
    condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab
    winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
    summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CIAB + Curl Queen
    http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
  • MarllonMarllon Registered Users Posts: 104
    Humectants aren't an issue for me at the moment either, but they will be by late June for me since I live in northeastern U.S., where the summers are humid and muggy. Because I live near Boston, humectants are only tolerable in spring and autumn, ergo cancelling out a lot of options in products. I was wondering if I could special order some of the leave-ins from KBB sans proteins and humectants, do you think they would be able do that?
    3a/3b
    Unsure about density
    Confused about porosity

    Co-wash/condition: Alberto VO5 Moisture Milks

    Leave-in: Giovanni Direct Leave-in Conditioner

    Styling product: Clairol Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl-Boosting Mousse
  • Wicked_WavesWicked_Waves Registered Users Posts: 38
    Marllon wrote: »
    Melanie Susan, does the information regarding the dew points also apply to vegetable glycerin? Because I'm unsure as to if vegetable glycerin is a humectant like conventional glycerin.

    Glycerin is a humectant regardless of its source.
    2b-3a/F/iii color-treated and diffused, mod CG since February '07
  • DEL2CDEL2C Registered Users Posts: 6,418 Curl Neophyte
    Marllon wrote: »
    Melanie Susan, does the information regarding the dew points also apply to vegetable glycerin? Because I'm unsure as to if vegetable glycerin is a humectant like conventional glycerin.

    Glycerin is a humectant regardless of its source.
    We had some discussion here http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=61417

    it seems synthetic glycerin doesn't behave the same way as vegetable glycerin as found in natural products which is more moisturizing.
    Discovered CG 2007

    2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

    Link-Spritz & Condish Washing:glasses7:

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    CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
  • mslittlelalamslittlelala Registered Users Posts: 139
    hmmm I'm in Houston too but it's been confusing me. I've use the humidity checker on this site and I moved from an area with 100% humidity usually BUT down here its never above 80% even when its burning up so I don't what I need but this heat is killing my ends. Just confused whether its actual humidity or just dry heat... Any idea? O by the way Oyin is working for now to keep it moist "shine and define with the juice"
    FULL CG - 2nd Attempt 2/27/11
    TYPE: Fluffy see through coils & corkscrews when dry & product free
    HGS underlined
    DC: AOHSR / AOGPB / AOSwim / Elucence
    PO: BWC RM / CV Poo Bars
    Cowash: Vo5 KL / GTTT Dilute / Vo5 SC
    RO: AOBGA
    LEAVE INS
    Warm mths - help??
    Cool mths - H20, Olive oil, whipped shea butter
    STYLE: La Bella Styling Gel / Deva SIF
  • mushroom_headmushroom_head Registered Users Posts: 118
    Hey, newbie here. Can someone help a fuzzy-headed mess? The weather is very damp (high dew?) and my hair keeps doubling in size. I'm thinking this anti-humectant thing is for me. I've tried ACV rinses, apricot oil/shea to seal and it's worst than ever. Help, please! :sad2:
    Coarse, thiiiick, porous, drrrry, 2c, dislikes proteins, likes ACV!
    Suave or V05 for co-wash, Garnier Nutrise triple nutrition and sleek & shine, Matrix Biolage conditioning balm, FSG and LA Looks sports gel.
  • melaniesusanmelaniesusan Registered Users Posts: 948 Curl Neophyte
    To check your dewpoint, go to www.weather.com and type in the city where you live. that should help clarify things for you. also, hair expands in high humidity if it absorbs lots of moisture, so if you do have high dews, you might want to start by cutting out your leave-in (or using a substantially lighter one). Also, I always use a hard hold gel (in high humidity) on top of my leave-in or curl cream.
    hair type: 2B/3A
    low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
    condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab
    winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
    summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CIAB + Curl Queen
    http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
  • mushroom_headmushroom_head Registered Users Posts: 118
    melaniesusan, the LI affects moisture absorption as well? No wonder! I've been loading up on the Lustrasilk olive oil before coating with HETT. Plus, I left off the usual FSG thinking it would act like a humectant, which had been working well.

    Checked dews for today -- 98% humidity at 60 degrees equals 59. It doesn't get any worst for a porous curlie!

    Boy, I have a lot to learn. Thanks!!
    Coarse, thiiiick, porous, drrrry, 2c, dislikes proteins, likes ACV!
    Suave or V05 for co-wash, Garnier Nutrise triple nutrition and sleek & shine, Matrix Biolage conditioning balm, FSG and LA Looks sports gel.
  • melaniesusanmelaniesusan Registered Users Posts: 948 Curl Neophyte
    melaniesusan, the LI affects moisture absorption as well? No wonder! I've been loading up on the Lustrasilk olive oil before coating with HETT. Plus, I left off the usual FSG thinking it would act like a humectant, which had been working well.

    Checked dews for today -- 98% humidity at 60 degrees equals 59. It doesn't get any worst for a porous curlie!

    Boy, I have a lot to learn. Thanks!!

    59F is still pretty high. I only use Lustrasilk in low dewpoints, myself. My hair does best in high humidity with either a light leave-in or no leave-in at all.

    I learned this from Marsha (from Curl Junkie) who blogged about the various causes of frizziness. The #2 cause is as follows:

    "Over conditioning/product buildup - Sometimes we tend to overuse conditioners, leave-ins and stylers which can lead to overconditioning (hair becomes almost too soft, frizzy and lifeless with undefined curls/coils). If you are using a really good moisturizing conditioner already, be careful not to overdo it by adding say, a leave-in and a styler that already has conditioning ingredients."

    Conversely,

    "[In] Dry weather (low humidity) - This is where you really want to use a good moisturizing rinse out conditioner followed by a leave-in conditioner with a low amount of humectants and plenty of smoothing emollients to seal in moisture."

    So I'd say begin by clarifying (to remove all the excess moisture), then layer on just FSG (if that generally works for you) + HETT and see if that works better. If your hair seems dry, next time you could add in a light leave-in (not Lustrasilk) or you could just use a creamier rinse-out conditioner.
    hair type: 2B/3A
    low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
    condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab
    winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
    summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CIAB + Curl Queen
    http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
  • LaFleurPrincesseLaFleurPrincesse Registered Users Posts: 87
    Can you link me to that blog post, melaniesusan? :)
    2A.B // Medium // High Porosity // iii
    From what I can tell, my hair loves protein, humectants, AND emollients. It hates humidity and being touched or flipped.

    I often come off as very serious and rude in writing and on forums. Please do not be offended by anything that I have said, as I don't do well with conveying written emotions and my true intent is never malicious.
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  • kathymackkathymack Registered Users Posts: 9,999 Curl Neophyte
    Can you link me to that blog post, melaniesusan? :)

    I'm not melaniesusan, but here's the link to Marsha's blog on the CJ website:

    http://curljunkie.blogspot.com/2009/04/oh-nofrizzies.html

    Her other "articles" are really informative, too.
    3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
    SE PA

    HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix
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  • LaFleurPrincesseLaFleurPrincesse Registered Users Posts: 87
    Thank you, kathymack! :)
    2A.B // Medium // High Porosity // iii
    From what I can tell, my hair loves protein, humectants, AND emollients. It hates humidity and being touched or flipped.

    I often come off as very serious and rude in writing and on forums. Please do not be offended by anything that I have said, as I don't do well with conveying written emotions and my true intent is never malicious.
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  • Curly_JammyCurly_Jammy Registered Users Posts: 626
    I need some help.

    I live in a really dry place, its dry year round, Can I add something to my proudcts, that contain humectants to combat them pulling the moisture from my hair??????
    3c, fine, porous,MBL
    Pre: EVCO Poo: GTTT DC:AO GPB, TJ Nourish Spa+EVOO
    LI: Cantu Shea butter LI, YesToCarrots,(AVJ+H2O) Spritz
    Style: AVG, Eco Seal: Qp Mango & Olive oil, Shea AloeMix
  • OyaOshunOyaOshun Registered Users Posts: 5
    Thank you ladies for this thread and your wonderful informative responses!

    I have been completely natural for over two years but am still fighting with...ahem... I mean learning how to treat my hair. I have been trying to find a hair regime which allows me to wear my hair in a variety of ways; not just scrapped back (now having to heal mild traction alopecia) or plaited in a juvenile manner. I am in the boondocks without any suitable hair-care specialists or handy gal pals to help with my hair so my hair and I are in this alone.

    I live in the UK and with my extremely porous hair, which has little curl definition (Afro Caribbean, 2C, frizz) humidity has been a bane of my natural hair existence. I am in the North so high humidity is virtually a permanent weather condition (rain, drizzle, mist, rain, fog, snow...did I mention rain?).

    Just before seeking and finding this board I had discovered that my thirsty hair LOVED oils, especially Unrefined virgin coconut oil, unrefined castor oil, extra virgin olive oil and jojoba (actually a liquid wax). My hair loves this in winter (which here lasts approximately 10-11 months of the year).

    I had formulated a wonderful hair dress oil (including my favourite EO's) that worked and my hair and I were getting along great! It was shiny, soft, 'well behaved', (still no curls though) and I was grateful until I started reading here and got frightened by the litany of 'oils are not moisturising, they are only sealants'.

    Well I finished my oil and went in search of 'moisture rich, all natural' solutions to quench my hair's everlasting thirst. My hair was NOT happy and let me know it!

    I at least knew not to use any humectants (my hair has a lifelong fatwa out against glycerin, honey, and propylene glycol). Is it just me or is propylene glycol in everything these days?! :ncool: Anyway, even just using water with a few eo's as a daily spritz was driving my hair insane. The more I spritzed and 'sealed' (shealoe), the drier and poofier it got. In fact one day I was out and about and actually witnessed my moisturised and sealed hair swell / poof x 2-3 its original size within an hour (even though it was not raining)! I was lost and exasperated...

    Until I came across this article mentioning the specific oils which actually go some way to being absorbed by hair, moisturising and reconstructing from within: http://theartofbeingfeminine.blogspot.com/2009/03/hair-conditioning-oil-that-actually.html
    Oh my! I could literally hear my hair singing ‘hallelujah’! :occasion7:

    Whilst my hair rejoiced I began researching the next challenge... How to combat / counteract the poof? I really want to remain all natural and self sufficient in my hair care but the general consensus seemed to be that I would / will need a chemical gel to seal out excess moisture from humidity. At least that was the case until I began reading this thread!

    Now I know that, however ‘illogical’, my hair knows what it likes and knows what is best... for it. During this winter weather at least I am going to return / stick with my anti-humectant hair regime of butters over oils. It’s the only way my hair stands a chance in these soggy, water logged conditions. :happy7:

    Now... if you could just help me work out how to actually define / accentuate my curls (without chemicals or humectants) and hold my style, I would be eternally grateful. :tongue3:

    Thank you again! Be Blessed.
  • utmostroseutmostrose Registered Users Posts: 4
    To curlyjammy: if your hair doesn't like humectants but you already have products containing them you want to use, I reccomend the coconut oil or olive oil (coconut especially if yur hair is fine) underneath your humectant products. This way you are not only sealing in moisture and protecting the humectant from sucking moisture out of your hair or swelling your hair shaft, but you are also keeping a certain level of moisture on top of the shaft and preventing it from drying out at all, and in more humid times, actually imparting more shine to the shaft than with just one of these alone. I don't recommend using a Humectant before the oil since the oil will block the humectant from doing it's job (and you'll just be wasting product) and the only source it will have to draw moisture from is your hair. This means unless you keep it in a protective style like that, it will just dry out. Hth!
  • NaturallyCurlyEnnovyNaturallyCurlyEnnovy Registered Users Posts: 992 Curl Neophyte
    All, please remember humidity and dew point is NOT the same thing. A couple people referenced humidity which in the scheme of things does not matter. Dew point is what matters. Also, like someone else stated, if your hair is frizzy it could also be a sign if over-conditioned hair. It may not have anything to do with the dew point. : )

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  • Al1020BlueAl1020Blue Registered Users Posts: 147
    utmostrose wrote: »
    To curlyjammy: if your hair doesn't like humectants but you already have products containing them you want to use, I reccomend the coconut oil or olive oil (coconut especially if yur hair is fine) underneath your humectant products. This way you are not only sealing in moisture and protecting the humectant from sucking moisture out of your hair or swelling your hair shaft, but you are also keeping a certain level of moisture on top of the shaft and preventing it from drying out at all, and in more humid times, actually imparting more shine to the shaft than with just one of these alone. I don't recommend using a Humectant before the oil since the oil will block the humectant from doing it's job (and you'll just be wasting product) and the only source it will have to draw moisture from is your hair. This means unless you keep it in a protective style like that, it will just dry out. Hth!

    I will have to try this...
    If at first you don't succeed you must try, try, try again...:disgust:

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  • utmostroseutmostrose Registered Users Posts: 4
    let me know how it works out for you!
  • montREALadymontREALady Registered Users Posts: 1,210
    The curl chemist wrote a recent article in which she suggested the following:

    dew point below 35 F = use minimal humectants
    dew point 35 - 50 F = can use lots of humectants
    dew point above 60 F = use anti-humectants

    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/ingredients/humidity-humectants-and-the-dew-point

    She also said that the following ingredients function as anti-humectants:

    silicones, esters, hydrogenated castor oil, beeswax, and plant triglycerides such as coconut oil, palm oil, olive oil, and shea butter

    An anti-humectant product with all natural ingredients that she recommended is:

    Hair Pomade by John Masters Organics
    Ingredients: Extra virgin olive oil, organic beeswax, mango butter, babassu oil, jojoba, wheat germ oil, pure essential oils of bay laurel, cedar atlas, fir balsam and massoia, vitamins A, C & E. Certified Organic Ingredients.

    I tried a sample of it in my hair via a tester at the health food store. I found it too heavy for use in low dews, but thought it might be nice in high dews.

    Thanks for this!

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  • mamaherreramamaherrera Registered Users Posts: 886 Curl Neophyte
    I've been doing the same exact thing thinking I needed more moisture (thus, lustrasilk) so that my AOMM (that has humectants) wouldn't dry out my hair. But one big frizz mess and I kept putting in more lustrasilk,k water, and gel and it's getting worse. I"m stopping now. Enough for today.




    melaniesusan, the LI affects moisture absorption as well? No wonder! I've been loading up on the Lustrasilk olive oil before coating with HETT. Plus, I left off the usual FSG thinking it would act like a humectant, which had been working well.

    Checked dews for today -- 98% humidity at 60 degrees equals 59. It doesn't get any worst for a porous curlie!

    Boy, I have a lot to learn. Thanks!!
    2c
    Medium texture
    Normal porosity
    Normal elasticity
    can get weighed down with lots of oils
    Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
    Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
    Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
    Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
    Gel: Kiss my face gel
    DT:Jessicurl
    Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
    working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go

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