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Please help! Moved from soft to hard water area!

kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users
I have finally found a routine that gives me hair I love, whilst at uni. Unfortunately for several months over the holidays I am back at home which is a hard water area and my hair has gone awful.

Immediately after rinsing my hair it turned greasy at the roots and felt coated. It is also frizzier and dryer, and has lost its curl. My scalp feels disgusting. I have never managed to go cg, or get remotely decent hair whilst living at home before- is this simply because of hard water???!!! (Though it is also colder here which might have an impact).

Usually I co-wash every 3/4 days with V05 and a little lemon juice. Every morning I condition, honey rinse, Boots curl creme and FSG.

Im desperate for any help or advice here. How do I get my lovely, soft, bouncy curls back?? Its even worse now that I have experienced a good hair day to go back to being a gigantic frizz head!!! :sad:

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  • toofrizzytoofrizzy Posts: 154Registered Users
    I'm pretty sure it is the hard water that is causing your problem - we live in a hard(ish) water area too but we holiday in a part of France with very soft water - the difference whenever I wash my hair is amazing - my hair is soft and silky in the soft water area. Hard water will definitely dry hair and skin out - the only advice I can offer you is maybe to try washing and rinsing your hair with distilled water or boiled and then cooled water which will have removed some of the minerals that cause the hardness.

    It's such a shame that hard water causes this dryness and frizziness - if we ever move I'm gonna research the hardness of the water first!!!!
  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    I remember there was a thread a while back about shower filters for curlies in hard water areas...lemme go find it...

    ETA:
    http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/showthread.php?t=63268
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users
    Sorry- forgot to add that my parents refuse to have a water filter put on the shower because of cost- and because soft water is bad for your teeth. So Im afraid I dont have that option.
  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    kat180 wrote: »
    Sorry- forgot to add that my parents refuse to have a water filter put on the shower because of cost- and because soft water is bad for your teeth. So Im afraid I dont have that option.

    It's not really that soft water is bad for your teeth. It's just missing the calcium ions that can help with strong teeth. Besides..couldn't you put it to them that they aren't brushing their teeth with shower water, so they are still getting the benefits of the calcium from the tap water they actually put on their teeth? Also, soft water won't clog your showerhead, so you can reduce lime residue (read: cleaning time) in the shower. Maybe if you offered to help pay for it they'd be more receptive in the cost area??
  • sveetiepiesveetiepie Posts: 209Registered Users
    Dumb question here, but how do you know what your water type is? I'm in Toronto(pretty central)

    shoulder length long layered 2b/3a lots of it
    wash: Live Clean shampoo Abba pure curl Mop c hydrating
    cond: suave coconut Goldwell curly twist
    Protein: Redken Extreme Cat
    style: Ag:recoil Deva Mist-er right
  • Laura LeeLaura Lee Posts: 1,828Registered Users
    sveetiepie wrote: »
    Dumb question here, but how do you know what your water type is? I'm in Toronto(pretty central)

    Found this map of hard water areas in Canada:
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.systemsaver.com%2Fwindsor-website%2Feducation%2Fwater-facts%2Fcommon-water-problems.html" class="Popup
  • sveetiepiesveetiepie Posts: 209Registered Users
    Thanks, yeah, I've got hard water.

    shoulder length long layered 2b/3a lots of it
    wash: Live Clean shampoo Abba pure curl Mop c hydrating
    cond: suave coconut Goldwell curly twist
    Protein: Redken Extreme Cat
    style: Ag:recoil Deva Mist-er right
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users
    No they really wont consider putting in a filter- now would be the perfect time to as the bathroom is being re-done. I will try, however boiling up some water before I go for a shoer in the morning and using that on my hair- if you think this will help. Thank you for the suggestions!
  • deRosadeRosa Posts: 37Registered Users
    I'd like to know if anyone have info about a low cost filter. I have hard water but can't afford the filters I've seen in Denmark. Maybe It's possible to buy something online?

    It seems silly to spend lots of money on high quality products if it's the water that sucks.
  • SunshineGrrlSunshineGrrl Posts: 3,823Registered Users
    You might want to try using a chelating shampoo once a week, which will remove the minerals off your hair. Also, an ACV rinse can help get the minerals and build-up out of your hair. Those would be my first choices to reduce hard-water nastiness.

    I'm sort of a freak when it comes to hard water as my hair and skin love it! I get much better hair when it's "washed" with hard water. Go figure.

    And oh, yeah...maybe some lighter styling products would help balance out the weight from the hard water?

  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys. :(
  • LouisianaLeighLouisianaLeigh Posts: 211Registered Users
    According to the map on chagrin valley's site, I have lived in a soft water area my entire life (including college and then another move for grad school). We just moved to an area that is "slightly hard." the only effect i've noticed in my kitchen is the OCCASIONAL water spotting.

    But could going to a "slightly hard" area be making a huge difference in my hair? it's been feeling coated and dry and horrible lately, and at first i thought it was a protein reaction to the Nutrigloss but now i'm not so sure.

    We moved early December but I then spent 10 days with my parents around the holidays so i've only been here washing my hair in this water continuously for a month now.

    before i stop looking for other culprits, i just wanted to ask if the change to the next level up really could be making this much of a difference. thanks ladies!
    wurly, fine to medium, currently growing for waist-length
    embracing the waves since 10/20/08
    my hair loves protein and hates jojoba oil, my scalp hates propylene glycol, my face hates silicones.
  • AprilnUtahAprilnUtah Posts: 519Registered Users
    You might want to try using a chelating shampoo once a week, which will remove the minerals off your hair. Also, an ACV rinse can help get the minerals and build-up out of your hair. Those would be my first choices to reduce hard-water nastiness.

    I use Enjoy Clarifying Spray
    Product Description
    One of a kind spray-in clarifying and chelating formula, designed to remove mineral deposits, product build-up, chlorine, and/or other impurities in the har. Color safe for all hair types. (10 oz)
    /home/leaving?target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%2Fref%3Dnb_ss_gw%3Furl%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps%26amp%3Bfield-keywords%3Denjoy%2Bclarifying%2Bspray%26amp%3Bx%3D0%26amp%3By%3D0" class="Popup

    I'm pretty sure it's CG. I read the ingredients and didn't see any no-no's. You spray it all over then put your sulfate-free poo, or whatever you use, on top of it and wash. I do it about once a week before my DT and it works great for me.
    April
    3a/b, med texture, med porosity, low dews



  • GettinControlGettinControl Posts: 828Registered Users
    I would say going from soft water to slightly hard would make some difference because soft water is soft and slightly hard still has some hardness.

    I found when I went from extremely hard water to soft I noticed a big improvement in my hair's condition and when I went from soft to hard water I noticed my hair changing for the worse.

    Robert Craig recommends using a hard water poo for even slightly hard water. Ouidad WW Poo is good too.

    I am not sure but I don't think I ever got the coated feeling your mentioning with protein but hard water definitely gave me coated feeling.
    3a/b medium/coarse combo(w/some fine strands), normal porosity, normal elasticity(strong)
    Komaza analysis 2015: medium to coarse combo(some fine strands), normal porosity, strong elasticity, healthy hair
    Goosefootprints 2013: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends, normal elasticity
  • LouisianaLeighLouisianaLeigh Posts: 211Registered Users
    thanks for the product rec april!

    does anyone know any hard water poos that are available at drugstores or sally's?
    wurly, fine to medium, currently growing for waist-length
    embracing the waves since 10/20/08
    my hair loves protein and hates jojoba oil, my scalp hates propylene glycol, my face hates silicones.
  • GettinControlGettinControl Posts: 828Registered Users
    Sally's has generic version of Nexxus Aloe Rid Clarifying Poo but I never used it but I did use the original and liked it. Sally's also has Quantum Clarifying Poo which I've heard some good things about but I've never used it. However, I have never seen them carry small bottles of it just liter size.
    3a/b medium/coarse combo(w/some fine strands), normal porosity, normal elasticity(strong)
    Komaza analysis 2015: medium to coarse combo(some fine strands), normal porosity, strong elasticity, healthy hair
    Goosefootprints 2013: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends, normal elasticity
  • LouisianaLeighLouisianaLeigh Posts: 211Registered Users
    well, i picked up the GVP of the nexxus aloe rid and used it this morning. my hair feels a little better, but still not great. i can't tell if it's the dryness from not having been properly conditioned for a couple weeks or a new layer of buildup from rinsing my condish out this morning.

    i'm ready to start rinsing my hair with distilled water and just blowing up my hair care budget to accommodate that instead of nice products. if they're not going to condition my hair because it's coated with whatever the hell's in the water here then there's really not a point, eh?

    i am so frustrated right now. i just want my hair to feel clean and soft. i don't even care about frizz and definition at this point. is that so much to ask, hair gods?! come on!
    wurly, fine to medium, currently growing for waist-length
    embracing the waves since 10/20/08
    my hair loves protein and hates jojoba oil, my scalp hates propylene glycol, my face hates silicones.
  • GettinControlGettinControl Posts: 828Registered Users
    I completely understand! My hair is highly effected by hard water. Final rinses of distilled water helped and the Ouidad WW Poo. I suggested the Aloe Rid cuz you mentioned Sally's but there are other hard water poos out there but it is a hard situation cuz one is still using the hard water. AG has a hard water poo called AG Renew that I have never used but heard it was good. Joico has a new one out. I've used the Kenra Clarifying Poo in the past but found it harsh but it is a chelating poo. I've tried alot of different hard water poos and it seemed the Ouidad WW Poo worked the best for my hair. Robert Craig has a No More Bad Hair Days kit that comes with water test strips and 3 poos one for soft, hard, and extremely hard. So that is another suggestion.
    3a/b medium/coarse combo(w/some fine strands), normal porosity, normal elasticity(strong)
    Komaza analysis 2015: medium to coarse combo(some fine strands), normal porosity, strong elasticity, healthy hair
    Goosefootprints 2013: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends, normal elasticity
  • kat180kat180 Posts: 6,280Registered Users
    I found I have to low poo or even just shampoo ever few days when I am at home now- just to get clean hair. My curls appreciate it to compared to be coated with the hard water.
  • LouisianaLeighLouisianaLeigh Posts: 211Registered Users
    well, i broke down last night and washed my hair again with the hard water poo (which has SLES, so much for being CG...) and did my rinse with distilled water. slathered in some of my BioInfusion and let it sit for a couple hours, used the distilled to rinse enough of it out that my hair would dry normally, and went to bed. result: BACK TO NORMAL!

    i am going to try one more wash (in a few days!) with using my actual shower water just to be sure that was the culprit and not one of my products. but if it was, then yay that i found the problem...boo that my hair is so sensitive to the water.

    for those of you who've had this problem, does it take a while to build up once you "fix" it? i know kat180, you mentioned having to shampoo your hair every few days. anyone else have a timeline for how many times they can wet their hair before they have to shampoo again?

    Thanks for all your help and/or sympathy ladies!
    wurly, fine to medium, currently growing for waist-length
    embracing the waves since 10/20/08
    my hair loves protein and hates jojoba oil, my scalp hates propylene glycol, my face hates silicones.
  • LouisianaLeighLouisianaLeigh Posts: 211Registered Users
    I completely understand! My hair is highly effected by hard water. Final rinses of distilled water helped and the Ouidad WW Poo. I suggested the Aloe Rid cuz you mentioned Sally's but there are other hard water poos out there but it is a hard situation cuz one is still using the hard water. AG has a hard water poo called AG Renew that I have never used but heard it was good. Joico has a new one out. I've used the Kenra Clarifying Poo in the past but found it harsh but it is a chelating poo. I've tried alot of different hard water poos and it seemed the Ouidad WW Poo worked the best for my hair. Robert Craig has a No More Bad Hair Days kit that comes with water test strips and 3 poos one for soft, hard, and extremely hard. So that is another suggestion.

    what is your routine like? do you have to shampoo every time you wash, or just once a week/month/etc? thanks for all the rec's! i went for the sally's since it's immediately available...i really hate buying stuff online. i think i have an immediate gratification fixation when it comes to hair stuff. :)
    wurly, fine to medium, currently growing for waist-length
    embracing the waves since 10/20/08
    my hair loves protein and hates jojoba oil, my scalp hates propylene glycol, my face hates silicones.
  • GettinControlGettinControl Posts: 828Registered Users
    With the hard water I would have to wash my hair everytime I wet it to keep the hard water minerals from building up on my hair. Even my hairdresser noticed my hair was different such as very dry cuz I moved several months from soft but not totally soft to hard water.

    It was taking its toll on my hair so I suffered for months until Koukla72 on the board mentioned a softener filter by Watersticks which can be ordered online. I have been using it for almost a month now and I think it is just starting to work for me. It is a chlorine filter attached to a PVC pipe that works as the softener. It has resins in it and a filter at the bottom and it gets regenerated with salt water every so often. I have been using it for almost a month now and I think I am finally starting to notice an improvement. It is on the expensive side but so isn't buying all the hard water poos cuz the Ouidad WW goes for $15 or more. And I tested the water coming from it and it does test soft according to a Robert Craig Water Test Strip.

    If that isn't an option for you then the distilled water as final rinse and a hard water poo and avoiding the water as much as you can. I have to wet my hair daily.
    3a/b medium/coarse combo(w/some fine strands), normal porosity, normal elasticity(strong)
    Komaza analysis 2015: medium to coarse combo(some fine strands), normal porosity, strong elasticity, healthy hair
    Goosefootprints 2013: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends, normal elasticity
  • LouisianaLeighLouisianaLeigh Posts: 211Registered Users
    i saw the thread about that. unfortunately the SO loves the water here (because he doesn't feel "slimy" as he puts it) so a softener isn't really a viable option unless it's like the filters you put on the kitchen sink and only functions if it's flipped on. :)

    i'm thinking distilled might be the way to go. kind of a PITA but i may not need to do it every time i wash my hair (experimenting with how quickly the build-up happens next time i wash), plus i don't have to wash my hair daily. every third day or so, usually. we'll see how things go.

    Heh. Guess it creates a compelling reason to find a way to get 3rd or 4th day hair, if it turns out i have to use distilled water every time!

    i'm glad to hear that the filter is working for you, though! it's the pits, finally getting some handle on how to care for your hair only to have environmental sabatoge...
    wurly, fine to medium, currently growing for waist-length
    embracing the waves since 10/20/08
    my hair loves protein and hates jojoba oil, my scalp hates propylene glycol, my face hates silicones.