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He got what he wanted, does he ever stop the whining?

susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
Last week, Obama told one friend that he felt "a little boxed in."

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Obama already has learned that his mundane routine will be difficult to replicate as president, but his friends say that establishing some kind of similar comfort zone is critical to his success in Washington. They consider it one of the most pressing -- and most challenging -- issues of Obama's transition: How can he create a life as president that keeps him happy?



Lord, he NEVER stops the whining, neither he nor Michelle. He had to give up his blackberry, he whines over a lack of privacy, he whines when someone asks him a direct question (can't I just finish my waffle?). She whined about paying back student loans to an Ivy League college that many Americans would give up everything to get in to, she whined over spending $10K on summer activity to their kids when other people can't afford that in a lifetime.............



And we've got FOUR MORE YEARS of this.
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  • BBBB Posts: 475Registered Users
    WOW! You are one angry person. It is going to be a long four years for you, huh?

    Well, I guess that since Ann Coulter's jaw is wired shut, someone has to pick up the slack.
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  • YolyCYolyC Posts: 3,758Registered Users
    BB wrote: »
    WOW! You are one angry person. It is going to be a long four years for you, huh?

    Well, I guess that since Ann Coulter's jaw is wired shut, someone has to pick up the slack.


    Hahaha! That was my first thought. :laughing6:
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    susancnw wrote: »
    And we've got FOUR MORE YEARS of this.



    Welcome to the losing side. For those of us on the losing side when Bush won, it was a P-A-I-N-F-U-L eight years, watching the village idiot bumbling through every speech and appearance. I don't know if Bush actually whined or not, because it was so unbearably painful to watch him, that I couldn't take more than a minute before changing the channel.

    So, there there, dear. You'll get through it. Turn on Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity and drown your sorrows in their anger and hate. It'll make you feel better.

    The rest of us have lives to be getting on with. ;)
  • myoctobermyoctober Posts: 30Registered Users
    but.. the demorats want to bring the fairness doctrine back. and no one listens to liberal talk radio.. so we eventually won't be able to listen to Rush Limbaugh and everything like that..
  • BBBB Posts: 475Registered Users
    No Rush? Excuse me while I go turn a cartwheel.
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    myoctober wrote: »
    but.. the demorats want to bring the fairness doctrine back. and no one listens to liberal talk radio.. so we eventually won't be able to listen to Rush Limbaugh and everything like that..


    It'll never happen. Not to worry...your hate channels are safe.
  • MoppyTMoppyT Posts: 998Registered Users
    I'm sorry, who never stops whining?

    Too funny.
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  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    MoppyT wrote: »
    I'm sorry, who never stops whining?

    Too funny.

    Right?? Irony is awesome.
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    Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
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  • alacurlalacurl Posts: 1,193Registered Users
    MoppyT wrote: »
    I'm sorry, who never stops whining?

    Too funny.

    :laughing6: ...

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  • myoctobermyoctober Posts: 30Registered Users
    ah yes, i hope my hate stations will be safe. because i'm just an evil, evil person who hates babies, eats kittens, and opposes love and peace. like all conservatives are, right?

    no but seriously..
    whining? we'll mock and argue, but whining isn't the same. whining is a liberal sport.
    ;)
  • JLeighsJLeighs Posts: 904Registered Users
    What is it about politics that makes adults start acting like a bunch of catty teenagers? Good grief. Out of 12 posts, about 3 of them sound like they were typed by a rational adult. The nastiness factor in here is off the charts.

    Let the flames begin.... ;)
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  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
    BB wrote: »
    WOW! You are one angry person. It is going to be a long four years for you, huh?

    Well, I guess that since Ann Coulter's jaw is wired shut, someone has to pick up the slack.

    Thanks, I consider that a compliment.;D

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    And no, not angry, more incredulous that EVERYTHING he does is reported on by the media in a pitying fashion.

    Did he think that when he was elected president, he would be able to continue in his perfect life where he could do and say anything he wanted to? He has complained about giving up his blackberry...the things have GPS in them...and given that the loonies are out with more death threats than any president before (although it's going some to outdo the ones that Bush has received), some of them are actually credible towards Obama, yet he whines about giving it up? Security anyone? My 17YO whines when her cell phone isn't working for some reason, she forgets it, a tower is out of whack or whatever. But I expect the future POTUS act with a little more dignity and maturity.

    Leader of the Free World is not a position to take lightly...one needs to be fully informed (well, as much as possible) before going in and not expect the government to change the way it works because of you. Realize that YOUR life has to change. Clinton expected things to revolve around his wants and desires and was delighted when he could find a way to slip past his security detail, etc. He never considered how much more difficult he was making their work, and if they were to fail and something horrid were to happen...the responsibility for it would have fallen on them...the condemnation of an entire nation and an entire world.

    And it will be a LOT harder if anything were to happen to Obama. The agents that were on Reagan's detail the day he was shot have told stories of their personal nightmares, PTSD, etc since they couldn't protect him and he was shot. And you still hear stories of the agents for JFK, RFK, etc., what they went through...and I imagine it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed...it would be absolutely horrifying. These men and women put their lives on the line on a daily basis and are expected/expect to take a bullet for him...and he's unhappy because he can't have his blackberry and he has to have an escort and an armored vehicle. I'm sure that his neighbors are thrilled by it all.

    Why are he and his family getting such a pitying story from the Washington Post about moving to a town they don't like...few weeks ago Cindy McCain was basically called an anti-social, snobby, stone cold, drug addled ***** because she wanted to raise her family in a more normal environment? It's only 8 years....not a lifetime. If half the nation gets its wish, it will only be 4.

    And the White House residential apartment is a sterile house? The President and First Lady have already welcomed them to it so they can see what they'll want/need to consider, the girls were brought in so they could see "their" rooms and what they wanted. By the time they actually move in, everything they want to bring from Chicago to live with will be moved in and arranged for them (man, I'd LOVE to make a move like that!)

    <snip>

    "How can he create a life as president that keeps him happy?"

    >snip< That pursuit of happiness thing that is in the Constitution? We can pursue it, it is not guaranteed. I thought the POTUS was elected by the people for service...his job is to make US happy, or he gets fired...simple as that. Politicians are public servants...and unless I missed it in the volumes of transcripts of his speeches that I read (don't worry, I read transcripts of McCain's also...a good speaker can get you so wound up that you miss the words that are said, so I like to read them, make notes and go back over them again and get the context, etc.), he didn't say much about 'service'. I didn't see the humility and humbleness that goes along with service and a servant's heart...I did see a lot of complaining.

    And since that same Constitution allows me to say what I choose to about the incoming president (or any of them for that matter), I can state my opinion and what I am seeing in things like the NTY, LA Times, WaPo, Washington Times and local and state papers, along with blogs, etc.

    And we can keep our 'hate' channels since we are seriously outnumbered in the media in general...although not if Pelose/Reid/Kennedy get their way...the free market is ONLY allowed to operated freely if it favors the liberals.

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  • BBBB Posts: 475Registered Users
    susancns - It is amazing how worked up you are over this. I can give you a list a mile long of things that SHOULD upset you. I guess you haven't been following the news lately (PS: you will find FOX to your liking).

    Don't you think going from a normal life to one where you are extremely isolated from every day people is a bit jarring? He was talking about how his life will change. I guess you aren't used to having a human being in the White House.

    I also don't see him just sitting around and complaining. He is already setting groundwork to deal with our financial crisis and he isn't even President yet. It's crazy that you hate him so much that you want him to fail - even if it means takng our country down with him.
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    susancnw wrote: »
    [it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed....

    Doesn't Obama identify himself as black?


    It's funny. There are some that held on tightly to the one-drop rule (one DROP of black blood=you're black) and not in a warm fuzzy sort of way. NOW that Obama has been elected president these same people are all enlightened and calling him "biracial" (Damned if they are going to have a BLACK president)
  • afrosheenqueenafrosheenqueen Posts: 5,400Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    susancnw wrote: »
    [it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed....

    Doesn't Obama identify himself as black?


    It's funny. There are some that held on tightly to the one-drop rule (one DROP of black blood=you're black) and not in a warm fuzzy sort of way. NOW that Obama has been elected president these same people are all enlightened and calling him "biracial" (Damned if they are going to have a BLACK president)


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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    susancnw wrote: »
    [it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed....

    Doesn't Obama identify himself as black?


    It's funny. There are some that held on tightly to the one-drop rule (one DROP of black blood=you're black) and not in a warm fuzzy sort of way. NOW that Obama has been elected president these same people are all enlightened and calling him "biracial" (Damned if they are going to have a BLACK president)

    Well, his smart side has to come from somewhere, and a black man can't possibly be smart and successful.:hmph::roll:
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  • mad scientistmad scientist Posts: 3,530Registered Users
    Ok, I'm *almost* going to agree with Susan here.

    The media is really overdoing the whole "See!! He's just like us!!" angle to all the Obama and family stories. I like him, I voted for him, I'm very happy he's president. But I prefer not to know every mundane detail of his life and his transition to power.

    A president should retain a little mystique about him.

    **ducks and runs**
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    I guess I've not noticed the whining or the media overload. I have been going to work, volunteering at church and a tutoring center. Oh I guess I've been busy with family over the holiday. And with my hobbies.

    I guess when I take care of my life, I don't have time to worry or be bothered by the things that bother other people.

    And for those who deplore the media, move to KY. Here, we have the thing called cable TV (other have satellite). There are hundreds of channels with all points of view availble. And get this - our TVs, come with this switch that usually says 'power'. That way, if we don't like what we hear or feel it doesn't represent us, we can turn off the thing. Cool huh?

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  • geminigemini Posts: 3,325Registered Users
    Ok, I'm *almost* going to agree with Susan here.

    The media is really overdoing the whole "See!! He's just like us!!" angle to all the Obama and family stories. I like him, I voted for him, I'm very happy he's president. But I prefer not to know every mundane detail of his life and his transition to power.

    A president should retain a little mystique about him.

    **ducks and runs**

    Oh I agree. I think the 2 days of gushing over the "mutt like me" comment was ridiculous. "Ohhhh, he's comfortable with his race, that's what THAT means!" said the press. Well, duh, I would hope he would be at his age. I guess I'd better duck along with you. ;)
  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    gemini wrote: »
    Ok, I'm *almost* going to agree with Susan here.

    The media is really overdoing the whole "See!! He's just like us!!" angle to all the Obama and family stories. I like him, I voted for him, I'm very happy he's president. But I prefer not to know every mundane detail of his life and his transition to power.

    A president should retain a little mystique about him.

    **ducks and runs**

    Oh I agree. I think the 2 days of gushing over the "mutt like me" comment was ridiculous. "Ohhhh, he's comfortable with his race, that's what THAT means!" said the press. Well, duh, I would hope he would be at his age. I guess I'd better duck along with you. ;)

    It makes sense. I'd hate to see him get so overexposed that there is a backlash because we get tired of seeing him. Overexposure happens, especially with him being the first non-white President-elect. I'm not sure how to reduce that other than we the media consumers voicing our opinions.

    As for the OP, I'd be frustrated by the huge lifestyle changes. Most people would, even though we all know (intellectually if not by experience) what comes with it. It can be a hard transition.
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  • geminigemini Posts: 3,325Registered Users
    To the OP, I think Obama's comments and complaints are more publicized in this case because we have a "first" elected to the highest office in the country; everything is getting more attention and documentation than usual. I would think his adjustments are not any different or excessive than anyone else who won a presidential election and realizing the burdens it places on their loved ones. Their lives will never be the same.
  • .patience..patience. Posts: 537Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    susancnw wrote: »
    [it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed....

    Doesn't Obama identify himself as black?


    It's funny. There are some that held on tightly to the one-drop rule (one DROP of black blood=you're black) and not in a warm fuzzy sort of way. NOW that Obama has been elected president these same people are all enlightened and calling him "biracial" (Damned if they are going to have a BLACK president)

    i agree. and here is an article proving your sentiment.


    (page 1)
    He's Not Black

    He is also half white.
    Unless the one-drop rule still applies, our president-elect is not black.

    We call him that -- he calls himself that -- because we use dated language and logic. After more than 300 years and much difficult history, we hew to the old racist rule: Part-black is all black. Fifty percent equals a hundred. There's no in-between.
    That was my reaction when I read these words on the front page of this newspaper the day after the election: "Obama Makes History: U.S. Decisively Elects First Black President."

    .

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    (page3)
    In other words, the color of a president-elect's skin doesn't tell you much. It's an unreliable marker, a deceptive form of packaging. Isn't it time we stopped using labels that validate the separation of races? Isn't it time for the language to move on?
    he rambles on about this for 3 pages. if you have time to read it all, which i did. here is the link.
  • .patience..patience. Posts: 537Registered Users
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    And for those who deplore the media, move to KY. Here, we have the thing called cable TV (other have satellite). There are hundreds of channels with all points of view availble. And get this - our TVs, come with this switch that usually says 'power'. That way, if we don't like what we hear or feel it doesn't represent us, we can turn off the thing. Cool huh?

    that power button can be tricky sometimes. :laughing6:

    and susancnw...everything is gonna be alright. 349899b7tn9gcmgq.gif
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    myoctober wrote: »
    ah yes, i hope my hate stations will be safe. because i'm just an evil, evil person who hates babies, eats kittens, and opposes love and peace. like all conservatives are, right?

    no but seriously..
    whining? we'll mock and argue, but whining isn't the same. whining is a liberal sport.
    ;)


    The bolded sounds suspiciously like "whining" to me. Poor you, so put upon for your conservative beliefs that you feel you must put on your best martyr tone. Next thing you know, those damn liberals will make a war on christmas and you can whine about that.
  • SuburbanbushbabeSuburbanbushbabe Posts: 15,402Registered Users
    And it will be a LOT harder if anything were to happen to Obama. The agents that were on Reagan's detail the day he was shot have told stories of their personal nightmares, PTSD, etc since they couldn't protect him and he was shot. And you still hear stories of the agents for JFK, RFK, etc., what they went through...and I imagine it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed...it would be absolutely horrifying. These men and women put their lives on the line on a daily basis and are expected/expect to take a bullet for him...and he's unhappy because he can't have his blackberry and he has to have an escort and an armored vehicle. I'm sure that his neighbors are thrilled by it all.
    This is their job, it is what they are trained for. They are some of the most highly trained and capable professionals in the country. And why would it be worse if it were Obama? A dead President is a dead President.

    Oh wait, I forgot. It's your post, Susancnw....Never mind. As you were. Go back to your whining, bigotry, and bitterness.
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  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
    Trenell wrote: »
    susancnw wrote: »
    [it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed....

    Doesn't Obama identify himself as black?


    It's funny. There are some that held on tightly to the one-drop rule (one DROP of black blood=you're black) and not in a warm fuzzy sort of way. NOW that Obama has been elected president these same people are all enlightened and calling him "biracial" (Damned if they are going to have a BLACK president)

    Boy, damned if I do, damned if I don't. How about if I refer to him as green? And depending on what paper you read, they all refer to him differently. Should I use the references from the Kenyan papers and call him the first Kenyan president? His mother was Caucasian, his father is Kenya. I'm trying to be accurate here. As far as the one drop black goes, I fall into that category and I guess I should start referring to myself as black. I never 'got' that 'rule' and thought it was incredibly stupid from the first time I heard it in jr. high in history class. My opinion on it has not changed.

    I'm not 'worked' up about it. You've not seen me 'worked up' and it's not pretty. I've got better things to do. I just find it interesting what the media chooses to focus on. Ever president goes from having reasonably easy access to people and things and then go into a more circumscribed orbit, but we didn't see volumes of letters about their adjustment, etc. What makes him so special? Other families have moved into the WH from family homes and we didn't hear that much about it. Amy Carter, Chelsea Clinton, etc. The Kennedy kids were little, and the press was just as enamored of him as they are the Obamas.

    I'm finding the press coverage fascinating on how they slant it. And no, I don't watch the news on any channel, period. I stopped during the 2004 campaign. As I said, I read, a lot...all sorts of papers all over the world and the nation so I get a lot of perspectives.

    SBB - and yeah, a dead president is still dead. But these men and women have been chosen to protect the first purple president. What an incredible honor, and I think the circumstances would be worse simply because even more eyes and fingers would point, along with accusations of racism, bigotry, etc.

    And my God, inability for libs here to understand sarcasm, irony, etc is absolutely incredible. Patience, thanks for the link. She said what I wanted to so much more eloquently. I love this bit from it--context is that she is Hispanic and was referring definitively to Latinos.

    "But since 2000, when it became possible for a citizen to register in more than one racial category, many of us began checking them all: indigenous, white, Asian, African. It would be false to do otherwise. "Todo plátano tiene su manchita negra," as we say. Every banana has its little bit of black."

    When I saw that for the first time, I did think, wow, I'm covered completely...although I'm not sure about the Asian as I've never had a comprehensive DNA test done, but, like her, from family stories and pics.

    But again, it gets dragged back around to the proclamation that I am a bigot when I'm just tired of hearing about the intimate details of dealing with becoming the president. He's not doing anything that previous presidents haven't done...so do we have to have a big pity party for him and his family? And can the media just go away?

    It was easier to find information on what he's dealing with emotionally than it was to find info on what was going on in Mumbai for 5 days...I've got friends over there that I was worried about...and internet wasn't that great....everyone that I used to know in Chicago is safe..
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  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    susancnw wrote: »
    Trenell wrote: »
    susancnw wrote: »
    [it would be so much worse if you were on the detail of the first biracial POTUS and he was shot and/or killed....

    Doesn't Obama identify himself as black?


    It's funny. There are some that held on tightly to the one-drop rule (one DROP of black blood=you're black) and not in a warm fuzzy sort of way. NOW that Obama has been elected president these same people are all enlightened and calling him "biracial" (Damned if they are going to have a BLACK president)

    Boy, damned if I do, damned if I don't. How about if I refer to him as green?


    mmmmm no. I just feel that if HE identifies himself as black then people should respect that.
  • JosephineJosephine Posts: 14,175Registered Users
    Ok, I'm *almost* going to agree with Susan here.

    The media is really overdoing the whole "See!! He's just like us!!" angle to all the Obama and family stories. I like him, I voted for him, I'm very happy he's president. But I prefer not to know every mundane detail of his life and his transition to power.

    A president should retain a little mystique about him.

    **ducks and runs**


    Haha. I disagree. I think it's cool. But yea I do think the media is overdoing it but it's because people are really interested in him..almost like a 'celebrity' ;).
  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    susancnw wrote: »

    Boy, damned if I do, damned if I don't. How about if I refer to him as green?

    How about not referring to his race at all? I know that in another post you said you were bothered by his racial identification and this post makes it clear that you're still bothered. If you're upset about him complaining about a lack of privacy and tight security, what in the world does that have to do with race or color? Would the statement about JFK's assassination been stronger had you said the first Catholic president? Or that Reagan was the oldest? Seems to me that people who bring up race when it is totally irrelevant to the topic have some kind of hang-up somewhere along the line.
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