peripheal neuropathy...

rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
shortly after i moved here, i noticed that i was having trouble with two middle toes on my left foot - they would get numb if i was walking for more than 30 minutes. then the time started to shorten - now it takes about 10 minutes before the numbness sets in.

over the past few months, my right hand has started to have similar troubles. when i'm using the mouse at work, i get numbness. and now, at night, i get almost constant tingling and numbness in both hands - so bad at times, it wakes me up.

i'm not sure if this is a forerunner to arthritis or if it's related to shifting around heavy files at work since the spring. my dad had arthritis and my mom has it, but i don't know if this is an indicator.

anyone else with something similar?
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    oh boy, this morning when the alarm went off, BOTH my hands were swollen and numb and tingling - it was so bad that i couldn't even turn the alarm off or the bedside table lamp on!

    :(

    geez, i hate to bug doctors when something seems insignificant, but this is probably something serious...
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  • misspammisspam Posts: 5,318Registered Users
    My first thought was the possibility of a pinched nerve.

    However the swollen hands you described do sound alarming enough, that a visit to the doc sounds warranted.

    Keep us posted when you have some answers.
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  • ShrekLoverShrekLover Posts: 2,551Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    rouquinne wrote: »
    oh boy, this morning when the alarm went off, BOTH my hands were swollen and numb and tingling - it was so bad that i couldn't even turn the alarm off or the bedside table lamp on!

    :(

    geez, i hate to bug doctors when something seems insignificant, but this is probably something serious...

    honey, it's a doctors job to be bugged by us when something is wrong. You need to see on soon. Please keep us updated.
  • 2poodles2poodles Posts: 2,485Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    I have that problem with my hands each spring - at the beginning of gardening season when I spend a lot of time pulling weeds, pruning, etc. All of the "hand work" causes swelling and pinched nerves and carpal tunnel. It can be really painful at night. For me, at least, it does get better and using one (or two) of those carpal tunnel splints and taking an anti-imflammatory helps me. As for your toes - wonder if you need a bigger shoe? You should definitely see a physician, though. Peripheral neuropathy can be indicative of lots of different things including diabetes and poor circulation. Good luck and let us know how it goes...
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    ^^^ funny you should mention carpal tunnel, poodles. i had googled tingling hands before and only got peripheral neuropathy as a a cause. so last night i went to the Cdn Arthritis Assoc. site and put in tingling and it came up with CT. one thing it mentioned was keeping your hands cool and sleeping with them outside the covers. last night i tried REALLY hard to keep my hands outside the blankets (and i am one of those covered up to my nose types) and didn't wake up once from tingling! i also took a Naproxyn before i went to sleep. my endocrinologist gave me those earlier in the year when i had the episode with the ruptured ovarian cyst. (unfortunately, Aleeve isn't sold OTC in Canada, but we can get codeine OTC, go figure.)

    and i have been doing one heck of a lot of stuff with my hands - packing, unpacking, painting, sewing, using tools! then i go to work and hoist heavy files and type and open mail and send mail...

    and i'm not a spring chicken anymore!

    :D

    i'm on vacation from work most of next week, so i'll call the doc's office today and see when they can fit me in.
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  • 2poodles2poodles Posts: 2,485Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Well, I hope carpal tunnel syndrome is "all" it turns out to be. If you can't get aleve OTC, you could try ibuprofen. Both can help reduce the inflammation around the irritated nerves... And those wrist splints are usually readily available if the other treatments don't help consistently. You'll just look like you're going to sleep ready to fight! And that's a topic for another time - ;-)
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    i'm allergic to ibuprofen, Aleeve is the ONLY anti-inflammatory that i can take. :( i may have to get people to bring me back bottles of that just like i used to take bottles of codeine south!

    ;)

    i actually have splints for both wrists at home - both from times i sprained/cracked the bone. next week, i'll dig them out of whatever box i've packed them in and when i get back to the office, i'll try using them at work as well as at night.

    :D

    i will get it checked out, though, because i'll need the nerve conduction testing for work.
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  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    If it is Carpal Tunnel the doctor will give you a special splint that's different from the one you used for a sprain. This one has a metal bar over the wrist and into the palm that keeps the top of your hand flexed back toward your arm (if that makes sense). This keeps you from compressing the tunnel in your wrist where the tendons and nerves run from your hand up your arm.

    If you have Carpal Tunnel it's important to use this type of splint. I've had diagnosed Carpal Tunnel for over 20 years and have not and hopefully will never have to have surgery for it. I'm careful to not do things that aggravate it. If I have to or want to do something that aggravates it then I stop and give it a rest for a while, stretch that hand and wrist and wear my splint if it really gets bad.
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  • KindaWavyKindaWavy Posts: 383Registered Users
    rouquinne wrote: »
    shortly after i moved here, i noticed that i was having trouble with two middle toes on my left foot - they would get numb if i was walking for more than 30 minutes. then the time started to shorten - now it takes about 10 minutes before the numbness sets in.

    over the past few months, my right hand has started to have similar troubles. when i'm using the mouse at work, i get numbness. and now, at night, i get almost constant tingling and numbness in both hands - so bad at times, it wakes me up.

    i'm not sure if this is a forerunner to arthritis or if it's related to shifting around heavy files at work since the spring. my dad had arthritis and my mom has it, but i don't know if this is an indicator.

    anyone else with something similar?


    I do have similar, and I'm also a non-practicing RN. Carpal Tunnel basically is nerve entrapment. It can be caused by "traumatic" injury (to the hand itself, or the neck) or result from repetivive use- which is why you frequently see people who do a lot of computer work wearing braces- to keep the hand stable and in a position, preventing the "tunnels" that carry the nerves to the fingers (carpal nervew) from shifting and/or narrowing, for lack of a better word, thus resulting in impingement of carpal nerves. CTS can also present as a symptom of other conditions such as hypothyroidism.

    Based on what you've posted, it seems more likely to me that what you're experiencing is nerve entrapment syndrome- particularly since you report having symptoms in the lower extremities also. You mentioned lifting and moving, and I would imagine this is likely your problem. I wouldn't think that your symptoms are indicative of arthritis- although, if the root cause of your nerve entrapments is neck and/or back injury, over time it could progress to arthritis. Do your family member have "garden variety arthritis", or rheumatoid type? If you're not sure, rheumatoid usually becomes acute earlier in life. Also, it is an autoimmune disease as opposed to the "regular" arthritis that people sometimes suffer as a result of an injury, most ofter in later years. You can also see the disease in some sufferers of RA- the hand joints can become swollen and read, and the "gnarled" fingers that come to mind when we think of arthritis is usually a result of RA.

    If you have RA in your family, it would be a good idea to see your internist, who will test you and perhaps refer you to a specialist for treatment. I would imagine, though, that if the condition remains as bothersome, or increases in severity, you'd do well to visit a neurologist. It is definitely conceivable that you could have slipped a disc or two, and that is what's causing your issues.

    Sorry to hear you're suffering; I can empathize. And I hope this post makes sense (my brain moves much faster than my CTS-ridden hands.. heh), and that it helps. Keep us posted on how you fare, won't you?

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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    eche428 wrote: »
    I've had diagnosed Carpal Tunnel for over 20 years and have not and hopefully will never have to have surgery for it. I'm careful to not do things that aggravate it. If I have to or want to do something that aggravates it then I stop and give it a rest for a while, stretch that hand and wrist and wear my splint if it really gets bad.

    good to know, thanks. and i had no idea the splints were different.
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    KindaWavy wrote: »
    Carpal Tunnel basically is nerve entrapment. It can be caused by "traumatic" injury (to the hand itself, or the neck) or result from repetivive use- which is why you frequently see people who do a lot of computer work wearing braces..

    so, basically, a lifetime of gardening, sewing and needlework coupled with 25 years of working on a computer got me to point A, then the tipping point was having me hefting heavy files around... :(
    it seems more likely to me that what you're experiencing is nerve entrapment syndrome- particularly since you report having symptoms in the lower extremities also.

    back to Google! :D
    Do your family member have "garden variety arthritis", or rheumatoid type?

    my parents both had jobs where they used their hands constantly - my father was a butcher and my mother worked in the wine industry as a sommelier - constantly lifting bottles, opening bottles, pouring...

    repetitive motion for both of them.
    hand joints can become swollen and read, and the "gnarled" fingers that come to mind when we think of arthritis is usually a result of RA.

    they often mentioned pain in their hands, but, no, my mother's don't look like that.
    if the condition remains as bothersome, or increases in severity, you'd do well to visit a neurologist.

    that's what i was wondering... at least i will have NO trouble getting a referral to one - it helps to have worked for the head of neurology at the largest hospital in Ottawa. Leo will find someone here for me.
    Sorry to hear you're suffering; I can empathize.

    thank you, i'm so glad to know i'm not alone...

    sometimes, this getting older is for the birds!

    :(
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    tomorrow i'm having fasting blood glucose testing to rule out diabetes and i've been referred for nerve conduction testing.
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  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Hey, Rou, I've been thinking about you. How'd your glucose test go?
  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    glucose test was a breeze - if you can call not having a cup of tea when you get up in the morning and then drinking the most GODAWFUL sugary stuff at the clinic a breeze!

    :laughing1:

    apparently, i have bad veins and the bruise at the crook of my arm proves it...

    bleh!!!

    now i just have to do the nerve conduction testing - they're supposed to give me an appt next week.
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  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Cool! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that they turn out well. :) (Now go get some coffee! :coffee: )
  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    okay, to anyone who's been through this - how the heck do you a) sleep, b) manage at work with these splints on your hands?

    :(
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  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Oh, no! Is it carpal tunnel? Are those the splints? It took me a loooooong time to be able to sleep in them and not find them on the other side of the bedroom in the morning. I was actually removing all those velcro straps in my sleep! :disgust: It will get better but it's a hard thing to get used to.

    What was your diagnosis? How often did your doc say to wear them? What type of work do you do? Did he talk surgery or can you get away with just the splint? Did he give you any stretching exercises to do?
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    the doctor said to use the splints as a temporary measure until testing is finished. she isn't the expert and didn't give me any stretching exercises - i think i better google those.

    right now my job involves shifting around files - lots and lots and lots of files - some of them weighing well over 2 or 3 pounds each...

    :(

    for the next two days, i have to reorganize our main file room - i can't even begin to imagine what my hands will be like by the time 4:30 Friday comes.

    is ice or heat better?
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  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Well if it is swelling then I'd use ice. You could alternate heat and ice if it feels good. Can you take Ibuprofin? If your stomach can handle it and it won't interfere with other medications it will help with any swelling in the wrist tunnel.

    As far as stretches go try these:

    1) Put your hands out in front of you, stretch your fingers out as wide as possible, like a big "hi, howaya?" then wiggle and flex your fingers. This will loosen up those muscles.

    2) Put your hands together like you're going to pray. Then use one hand to push the other hand over as far as possible (without hurting yourself, of course). You should feel the stretch in your wrist. Try this with yor fingers together and also with them spread.

    3) Grab your thumb with your other hand and pull/rotate it in circles (gently to tell how far to push it). This stretches out the fat muscle that connects your thumb to your wrist. This is a hard one to explain... I'll try to do better. What you're trying to do is to pull your thumb to the front, side and back of your wrist by rotating it. Make sense?

    4) Ball your hands up into fists and rotate your wrists round in both directions.

    You should try to do these stretches several times a day. This will help you a lot and taking those breaks will give your hands some needed rest.

    I hope you get some answers soon.
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    eche428 wrote: »
    Well if it is swelling then I'd use ice. You could alternate heat and ice if it feels good.

    thanks!
    Can you take Ibuprofin?

    nope, i'm violently allergic. i have some prescription strength Naproxen (Aleeve) and took one before i left the house this morning.

    thanks for the stretches, i'll be doing those a LOT today because guess who left both braces sitting on the bathroom vanity where she took them off this morning....

    :oops:
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  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    I hope your day goes OK. Just stop and stretch a lot, or just stop and give your hands a break. Try moving files in a different way than your used to. If you normally sit while working, try standing for part of the day. This will make the repetitive motions you are doing be done at different angles, that may help too.

    Good luck!
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    my testing will be on December 10th.

    can't wait to get this resolved one way or another!
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  • KindaWavyKindaWavy Posts: 383Registered Users
    So, no relief from the braces or Aleve at all? :(

    I hope your testing reveals a minor issue that's easily treatable. Good luck!
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    if i could stop hefting those files around all day, i'm sure it would help... :(
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  • rouquinnerouquinne Posts: 13,737Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    my testing is this afternoon, please keep your fingers crossed for me!
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  • 2poodles2poodles Posts: 2,485Registered Users Curl Connoisseur
    Good luck - let us know how it goes!! Fingers crossed...
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  • Koukla72Koukla72 Posts: 1,680Registered Users
    Good luck! :)
  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Good luck, Rou. I hope it's something easily fixed!
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  • KindaWavyKindaWavy Posts: 383Registered Users
    Thinking of you, rouquinne; fingers crossed! Please let us know how it comes out. :)
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  • PriscillaPriscilla Posts: 278Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Yes, please let us know how it went.

    (What tests did they end up doing? I have PN and have had the nerve conduction test.)

    Wasn't today your bake-off day at work too?

    Hope both the test and bake-off went well!
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