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Keeping gel non-crunchy

I used gel for the first time this morning and was a bit disappointed... I probably didn't use enough but I didn't really see much hold or frizz control. With leave-in conditioners I usually pile in as much as my hair needs that day and I'm fine, but with gel I'm a little scared to in case my hair goes crunchy. I'm using HETT. Can anyone give me some advice on putting in gel?
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  • msgibletmsgiblet Posts: 5,825Registered Users
    I can only speak for me, but HETT gel didn't have near enough hold for me no matter how much I used or how I used it. With other gels, using a leave-in helps alleviate some of the crunch and then I just scrunch out the crunch when my hair is dry. It takes some trial and error to figure out how much gel works for you.
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  • jillipoojillipoo Posts: 3,795Registered Users
    Ah, the joys of gel. NOT.

    I agree with MsG and I would also add that one trick I've discovered is to mix some aloe vera gel in with hard-holding gel to get softness as well as hold. This trick works especially well with BRHG, which I cannot use alone because I can never crunch it out sufficiently. But if I mix in some TheraNeem Leaf and Aloe gel with it (ratio of 3:1, with 3 being the TheraNeem), the results are good.

    Some people also crunch out with something like Jane Carter Nourish & Shine melted in their palms. This works okay but you may have to be careful not to use too much N&S or your hair gets greasy/heavy.
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  • TrixieTrixie Posts: 260Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Ah, the joys of gel. NOT.

    I agree with MsG and I would also add that one trick I've discovered is to mix some aloe vera gel in with hard-holding gel to get softness as well as hold. This trick works especially well with BRHG, which I cannot use alone because I can never crunch it out sufficiently. But if I mix in some TheraNeem Leaf and Aloe gel with it (ratio of 3:1, with 3 being the TheraNeem), the results are good.

    Some people also crunch out with something like Jane Carter Nourish & Shine melted in their palms. This works okay but you may have to be careful not to use too much N&S or your hair gets greasy/heavy.

    I do the same thing as Jillipoo with the aloe gel. I use a little bit of BRHG and then aloe gel on top of it, and that really gives me great hold but not as much crunch. Also, layering gel over a leave-in or cream helps too. I also agree with everyone that the HETT has like no hold. You can try just aloe gel straight with no other gel, which gives me a little hold and easily scrunchable crunch, or I also recommend BRHG or HEBE for other gels to try.
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  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
    I use a good amount of gel (usually HEBE or SMU) and make sure it is evenly distributed. I used to say crunch didn't bother me, but that was before I overdid it on honey once. That was not a pretty day.

    Honestly though, I like the right amount of crunch - it protects my curls, keeps it from frizzing, and is easily srunched out. Both of the HE gels, and a few of the Aussie gels give me just enough crunch and a good amount of hold. I'm at the point now where I don't have to leave the house/dorm room until after my hair is already dry, so I don't have to deal with the public seeing it. Maybe that's why I don't mind it?
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Ah, the joys of gel. NOT.

    I agree with MsG and I would also add that one trick I've discovered is to mix some aloe vera gel in with hard-holding gel to get softness as well as hold. This trick works especially well with BRHG, which I cannot use alone because I can never crunch it out sufficiently. But if I mix in some TheraNeem Leaf and Aloe gel with it (ratio of 3:1, with 3 being the TheraNeem), the results are good.

    Some people also crunch out with something like Jane Carter Nourish & Shine melted in their palms. This works okay but you may have to be careful not to use too much N&S or your hair gets greasy/heavy.

    I do this as well but typically only with BRHG because that has such a hold. And like her - I mix it in my hand then apply. I also use a leave in which helps break up the crunch once it's dry and not make it as crunchy to begin with. But like CurlyJenn10 I have the luxury of my hair drying before I have to go anywhere so I can decrunchify before anyone sees it. I hate how my hair looks when it's crunchy - I get a lot of scalp show through so I will do anything not to go out until I can decrunchify!
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  • MimsTXMimsTX Posts: 3,482Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    xcptnl wrote: »
    jillipoo wrote: »
    Ah, the joys of gel. NOT.

    I agree with MsG and I would also add that one trick I've discovered is to mix some aloe vera gel in with hard-holding gel to get softness as well as hold. This trick works especially well with BRHG, which I cannot use alone because I can never crunch it out sufficiently. But if I mix in some TheraNeem Leaf and Aloe gel with it (ratio of 3:1, with 3 being the TheraNeem), the results are good.

    Some people also crunch out with something like Jane Carter Nourish & Shine melted in their palms. This works okay but you may have to be careful not to use too much N&S or your hair gets greasy/heavy.

    I do this as well but typically only with BRHG because that has such a hold. And like her - I mix it in my hand then apply. I also use a leave in which helps break up the crunch once it's dry and not make it as crunchy to begin with. But like CurlyJenn10 I have the luxury of my hair drying before I have to go anywhere so I can decrunchify before anyone sees it. I hate how my hair looks when it's crunchy - I get a lot of scalp show through so I will do anything not to go out until I can decrunchify!

    Ditto.. and unfortunately, I always end up at work with my hair only about half dry. Nothing like hiding in your cubicle for 2 hours waiting for your hair to dry before you're presentable. My coworkers have gotten used to it now though... so long as we don't get a cute new guy, I should be ok :P

    I get crunch with just about anything I put on my hair. HETT seems to give enough hold for me, but now I'm wondering what I'm missing out on since no one else seems to like it. lol, might have to try everyone else's gels. Still, as long as the crunch is easily scrunched out (everything has been for me except BRHG) it doesn't bother me too bad.
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  • hadtochangemynamehadtochangemyname Posts: 628Registered Users
    I like HETT! Better than the Jessicurl stuff I tried, better than FOTE, wayyyy better than [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Curling-Custard-p-778.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-curling-custard]KCCC[/buylink]... so far it has been the best product I've used. (Jessicurl was not *that* bad, but I can't afford it)

    I diffuse while scrunching out the crunch and my curls are soft and bouncy and shiny. I also use a little bit of [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/Kinky-Curly-Knot-Today-p-207.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=kinkycurly-knot-today-leaveindetangler]KCKT[/buylink] as a leave-in first. And some LOOB at the roots because it has more hold.

    HESMU is okay but I tend to use too much I think and it feels sort of "gummy" when I do.
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  • tattooedmommietattooedmommie Posts: 145Registered Users
    I use Giovanni Fattening Gel and then use Giovanni Direct Leave In Conditioner to scrunch all the crunch out.I have to use a good deal of gel just to keep the frizz down so if I don't scrunch quite a bit I just get a head full of hard hair! *Ick* but I have to say, I stopped using Herbel Essence spray Set Me Up Spray Gel because it really didn't do much but make my hair hard, no hold! So it may be the type of gel your using, possible?
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