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Honey - bleaching effect question...

Have you experienced this? I know the Curl Chemist article (http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curly-q-a/curlchemist-the-buzz-about-honey) mentions the phenomenon, but I've also read that some are of the opinion that time plays a factor (i.e. the longer you leave it on, the more the peroxides have a chance to do their thing).

This bleaching possibility scares me to death! I'm looking for things to help me clump better, but I'm a natural redhead and I would cry myself to sleep for at least a month if something negative happened to my color! :sad11:

IF you've noticed a bleaching effect, do you use honey as a leave-in? Or are you getting this with just a rinse or mixed with a rinse-out conditioner?

Thanks in advance!

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  • scarriecarriescarriecarrie Posts: 382Registered Users
    I'm a natural brunette, who colors red. I do notice a definite lightning of the red coloring with using honey. I don't know if it would do the same to a natural red. There was a thread that mentioned microwaving the honey before using, but that didn't work for me.
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  • CurlsAuNaturalCurlsAuNatural Posts: 43Registered Users
    My changed a little. I definitely noticed it stripped some of my color when I was Robert Craig.
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  • lazy loopslazy loops Posts: 8,792Registered Users
    I don't use it enough to notice a change, so I couldn't vote.
  • kathymackkathymack Posts: 9,999Registered Users
    I didn't vote because my hair doesn't like honey. You could try it once or twice, see if your hair even likes it or you see a noticeable difference. If it doesn't do much, it's no big deal to give it up. If you REALLY like it, then you can decide if you want to take the chance.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I'm a natural blonde who dyes red. I went from red to a shade of blonde lighter than my natural shade in about 10 days after using a leave-in that had honey in it. I was not happy considering what I pay for red hair.
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  • RyanneRyanne Posts: 686Registered Users
    I use it in my DT, 'cause I want to lighten it a bit, it did a bit but not much.
  • ReddishRocksReddishRocks Posts: 779Registered Users
    So what I think I'm hearing so far is that people who have dyed their hair have experienced a lot of the bleaching effect... and doesn't dying make your hair more porous?

    I guess I'm wondering if more porous = more likely to bleach deeper. :) That could be a reach...

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  • curlsAboundcurlsAbound Posts: 227Registered Users
    I'm a natural brunette, who colors red. I do notice a definite lightning of the red coloring with using honey. I don't know if it would do the same to a natural red. There was a thread that mentioned microwaving the honey before using, but that didn't work for me.

    So microwaving the honey doesn't make it lighten your hair? Or have I got it backwards?
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Perhaps, but my hair has tested as fairly non-porous. It floats in water for over 24 hours before sinking a little. Red fades more quickly than other dyed hair colors, but it was far accelerated with the honey.

    I'm hoping some other natural redheads chime in because I wonder if it lightens natural reds as well.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I'm a natural brunette, who colors red. I do notice a definite lightning of the red coloring with using honey. I don't know if it would do the same to a natural red. There was a thread that mentioned microwaving the honey before using, but that didn't work for me.

    So microwaving the honey doesn't make it lighten your hair? Or have I got it backwards?

    The theory is that is destabilizes the peroxide in the honey so that it will not lighten the hair.
    Kiva! Microfinance works.

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  • curlsAboundcurlsAbound Posts: 227Registered Users
    The theory is that is destabilizes the peroxide in the honey so that it will not lighten the hair.

    Oh man! I wanted it to lighten my hair but microwaved it a bit to make it easier to blend ... won't do that again!
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  • violetcurlsvioletcurls Posts: 434Registered Users
    I have a theory. Perhaps only people who have died their hair experience lightening? Hmm. That leads to an interesting experiment. Is anyone interested? (yes, I know that many people probably don't want to risk their hair. I can't blame you. Maybe I could try wigs......) Where's a mad scientist smilie when you need one?
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  • ReddishRocksReddishRocks Posts: 779Registered Users
    Perhaps, but my hair has tested as fairly non-porous. It floats in water for over 24 hours before sinking a little. Red fades more quickly than other dyed hair colors, but it was far accelerated with the honey.

    I'm hoping some other natural redheads chime in because I wonder if it lightens natural reds as well.

    Are there some guidelines somewhere for testing the integrity of hair? I've never heard of your float test, but it sounds like something I'd like to try!

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    Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
    2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
    M/C ii

    Mod CG: Sept 08
    Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
    Humectants: @ dew point 40+
    My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
  • ReddishRocksReddishRocks Posts: 779Registered Users
    I'm a natural brunette, who colors red. I do notice a definite lightning of the red coloring with using honey. I don't know if it would do the same to a natural red. There was a thread that mentioned microwaving the honey before using, but that didn't work for me.

    So microwaving the honey doesn't make it lighten your hair? Or have I got it backwards?

    The theory is that is destabilizes the peroxide in the honey so that it will not lighten the hair.
    Do we know where that theory came from? I'd like to investigate! :D

    17May09GlenEyriecrop-1.jpg

    Hair is best when wabi-sabi.
    2b/2c at this length, more 3a when shorter
    M/C ii

    Mod CG: Sept 08
    Using: Suave co-wash, GVP Conditioning Balm, Lustrasilk OOC, MGA, BRHG
    Humectants: @ dew point 40+
    My blog for dry climate curlies and growing out a pixie: Colorado Curly
  • RyanneRyanne Posts: 686Registered Users
    I read "The theory is that is destabilizes the peroxide in the honey so that it will not lighten the hair." on LHC, I've been lurking at the honey thread there.
  • TrixieTrixie Posts: 260Registered Users
    I use a honey rinse in the shower every time I wash my hair, and I have only noticed a little bit of highlighting from the honey. I have natural light brown hair with sort of gold and red tones in it, but it hasn't made my hair blonde or red or anything lol. I think it could definitely be a problem if you dye your hair though.
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  • RawrSallyRawrSally Posts: 1,388Registered Users
    Could honey lighten naturally blonde hair? I've never tried honey, I don't know why, I've certainly thought about it, but I haven't the slightest idea what to do with it.
  • AngularScienceAngularScience Posts: 844Registered Users
    My hair's naturally black, and I have not noticed any lightening or anything, and I mix it into my conditioner pretty often.
  • xxmisschrisxxxxmisschrisxx Posts: 223Registered Users
    Annarie101 wrote: »
    Could honey lighten naturally blonde hair? I've never tried honey, I don't know why, I've certainly thought about it, but I haven't the slightest idea what to do with it.
    you can use it as a rinse, or mix it in conditioner (thats what i do, 50/50) then leave it on for most of your shower& rinse at the end. do a search on the boards for more info, there are more threads out there :)
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  • TrixieTrixie Posts: 260Registered Users
    Annarie101 wrote: »
    Could honey lighten naturally blonde hair? I've never tried honey, I don't know why, I've certainly thought about it, but I haven't the slightest idea what to do with it.

    I think it might give your hair more highlights. I definitely like how it has made my natural highlights stand out more.
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  • curlsAboundcurlsAbound Posts: 227Registered Users
    Well, I am going to keep on using honey and see if it changes my colour, even ever so slightly. It does help with clumping ... at least I think it's the honey and not the [buylink=http://www.curlmart.com/AG-Recoil-p-24.html?utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=ag-hair-cosmetics-recoil-curl-activator]re:coil[/buylink] ...
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  • curlycue82curlycue82 Posts: 92Registered Users
    Trixie wrote: »
    I use a honey rinse in the shower every time I wash my hair, and I have only noticed a little bit of highlighting from the honey. I have natural light brown hair with sort of gold and red tones in it, but it hasn't made my hair blonde or red or anything lol. I think it could definitely be a problem if you dye your hair though.


    me too, the highlights I got are super soft and gorgeous, I will never go get 'real' ones again!
  • newcurlynewcurly Posts: 1,310Registered Users
    Honey does an awesome job of bringing out my natural highlights - I have brown hair with auburn and some blonde around the crown. I don't like honey as a styler, so I actually do a honey rinse and leave it in overnight occasionally. Hmmm...think I'll do it tonight.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    Perhaps, but my hair has tested as fairly non-porous. It floats in water for over 24 hours before sinking a little. Red fades more quickly than other dyed hair colors, but it was far accelerated with the honey.

    I'm hoping some other natural redheads chime in because I wonder if it lightens natural reds as well.

    Are there some guidelines somewhere for testing the integrity of hair? I've never heard of your float test, but it sounds like something I'd like to try!

    I prefer the third test in this link. Test two seems counterintuitive to curly hair because curly hair will ruffle more easily with this type of test. of course, in general, curls are more porous than straight hair due to the nature of curls, but I think the float test makes room for more individual variance not based solely on curl pattern.
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  • redcelticcurlsredcelticcurls Posts: 17,502Registered Users
    I have a theory. Perhaps only people who have died their hair experience lightening? Hmm. That leads to an interesting experiment. Is anyone interested? (yes, I know that many people probably don't want to risk their hair. I can't blame you. Maybe I could try wigs......) Where's a mad scientist smilie when you need one?

    I wondered that oo, and it makes sense. But, I was lightened to a blonde lighter and more golden than my natural shade of blonde, so I think it can affect both natural and dyed colors, with dyed being more susceptible.

    I have no proof, but I personally feel that lighter hair will notice it more than darker hair, and i do wonder if natural reds will see blonidish highlights from long term honey use. There aren't huge numbers of real redheads here though - so many of us fakers here. ;)
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  • curlsAboundcurlsAbound Posts: 227Registered Users
    Perhaps, but my hair has tested as fairly non-porous. It floats in water for over 24 hours before sinking a little. Red fades more quickly than other dyed hair colors, but it was far accelerated with the honey.

    I'm hoping some other natural redheads chime in because I wonder if it lightens natural reds as well.

    Are there some guidelines somewhere for testing the integrity of hair? I've never heard of your float test, but it sounds like something I'd like to try!

    I prefer the third test in this link. Test two seems counterintuitive to curly hair because curly hair will ruffle more easily with this type of test. of course, in general, curls are more porous than straight hair due to the nature of curls, but I think the float test makes room for more individual variance not based solely on curl pattern.

    Ooh! I am so gonna go test my hair! Thanks for the test links, btw.
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    loving my own homemade Satsuma scented agave spiked FSG
    also the combo of Satsuma scented AOMM and Biolage Gelée

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    For up to $10 off at iherb.com, use this linked code: DEY827
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  • sarahthewarriorsarahthewarrior Posts: 252Registered Users
    I'm hoping some other natural redheads chime in because I wonder if it lightens natural reds as well.

    I'm a natural redhead, and I used honey for about three weeks this summer when it was all the rage on the boards (ACV rinse, mixed with conditioner as both a rinse-out and DT, and as a leave-in). I can't say that I noticed any change in color during that time. Like ReddishRocks, I freaked out when I read that it might lighten my color, so I stopped using it since I didn't really notice much benefit from it anyway. The only honey that touches my hair now is at the bottom of the list for Suave Tropical Coconut conditioner. I'm starting to think that this is a major issue only for people who dye their hair.
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  • shellynotshellynot Posts: 1,140Registered Users
    i used honey for a long time a few years back, and it turned my dark brown hair dark auburnish/light chestnut colored. it didn't look bad though! people started complimenting me on the reddish undertones in my hair lol
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  • Oval FollyOval Folly Posts: 4Registered Users
    Hi! First post from a UK lurker!:wave:
    Are there any henna-users out there who have used honey, and did it fade/ lighten your colour? I want to try honey, but am concerned about my henna fading.
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