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McCain's POW video

curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
Did anyone see this? The most comprehensive footage was released today. I thought it was pretty interesting. I can't even imagine being in that position.

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It's not really politics-related per say, I just thought it was interesting. Not trying to start a debate :)

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  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users
    I will never deny him the honor he should receive for being a US veteran and for being a prisoner of war. He is a hero in that capacity. Does that mean it translates over to being a good president? I don't know, it depends on who you talk to.
    Regardless of politics, he should be honored for that alone.
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  • YolyCYolyC Posts: 3,758Registered Users
    I agree. He served his country. He deserves respect for being the soldier he was, not for the person he has become during this campaign.
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  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    I completely disagree. McCain is no hero, and he's a disgrace to veterans.
  • StephSStephS Posts: 352Registered Users
    I did find it strange that McCain voted NO on health and education benefits for veterans.

    Kinda off topic,

    What I find to be so ironic is that he and his party continue to shout "elitist!" at Obama. Just because McCain was a military kid does not mean he lived as most military kids live. Both his grandfather and father were admirals, the highest rank in the Navy, so they were not middle class. McCain went to boarding school as a kid. In all of my 43 years, I have only known ONE person rich enough to attend a boarding school. Granted, I don't get to run in the "elite" crowd, but to me, boarding school is mighty elite, yer darn tootin'!

    Also, my true feelings are that McCain never achieved Admiral status, and apparently he is VERY competitive when it comes to status. What's the ranking office above Admiral? Is it the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the Commander in Chief?

    McCain even said in his autobiography that his aspirations for the Oval Office were not about helping people or to achieve any greater good, it was "just a goal" he wants to attain. IMO, that translates to "just a goal" so he can beat the rank of his father and grandfather.

    But back ON topic (thanks for indulging my rant), I do appreciate the horrors the VietNam soldiers and POWs suffered. I would not wish that on anyone. Except for maybe Dick Cheney. He's the real Tricky Dick - Nixon had nothing on this guy.
  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    Being a POW does not qualify you to be president.
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
    CurlyGina2 wrote: »
    Being a POW does not qualify you to be president.

    Did anyone say that it did?
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    I completely disagree. McCain is no hero, and he's a disgrace to veterans.

    So are you saying that people who serve in our military don't deserve our respect and thanks for their service?
  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    Did anyone say that it did?

    No.
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
    CurlyGina2 wrote: »
    Did anyone say that it did?

    No.

    Ok? I do agree that the POW thing alone doesn't qualify someone. I do think that leadership experience in the military helps though.
  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    He's been towing the POW line for god knows how long now.
  • scrillsscrills Posts: 6,700Registered Users
    yell at me later if you must, but I am the only one who thought he was kinda cute in that video?
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
    CurlyGina2 wrote: »
    He's been towing the POW line for god knows how long now.

    I thought this was interesting:

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  • CottonCandyCurlsCottonCandyCurls Posts: 344Registered Users
    scrills wrote: »
    yell at me later if you must, but I am the only one who thought he was kinda cute in that video?

    Aww, no one should yell at you. You are not the only one who thought he was cute. add his rebellious troublemaking youth i bet he was even more attractive. Anyone find the intro very art house film-ish. It's the french voiceover and the black and white images that keep messing with the gravity of the situation for me. He's a hero nonetheless.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    scrills wrote: »
    yell at me later if you must, but I am the only one who thought he was kinda cute in that video?



    Nope. He was a handsome and dashing young man. I can see how he managed to snag himself a billionaire heiress...course he had to dump the old first wife first.
  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    I completely disagree. McCain is no hero, and he's a disgrace to veterans.

    So are you saying that people who serve in our military don't deserve our respect and thanks for their service?

    Did you even read my post? Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
  • TrenellTrenell Posts: 3,562Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    I completely disagree. McCain is no hero, and he's a disgrace to veterans.

    So are you saying that people who serve in our military don't deserve our respect and thanks for their service?

    Most but not ALL. A person can be military and be a complete disgrace.
  • medussamedussa Posts: 12,993Registered Users
    scrills wrote: »
    yell at me later if you must, but I am the only one who thought he was kinda cute in that video?

    Aww, no one should yell at you. You are not the only one who thought he was cute. add his rebellious troublemaking youth i bet he was even more attractive. Anyone find the intro very art house film-ish. It's the french voiceover and the black and white images that keep messing with the gravity of the situation for me. He's a hero nonetheless.

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  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    scrills wrote: »
    yell at me later if you must, but I am the only one who thought he was kinda cute in that video?



    Nope. He was a handsome and dashing young man. I can see how he managed to snag himself a billionaire heiress...course he had to dump the old first wife first.

    What the heck happened? He didn't age well.
  • curlyjenn10curlyjenn10 Posts: 2,034Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    tantrum wrote: »
    I completely disagree. McCain is no hero, and he's a disgrace to veterans.

    So are you saying that people who serve in our military don't deserve our respect and thanks for their service?

    Did you even read my post? Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

    The posters above you agreed that he should be honored specifically because of his service, regardless of who he is and what he's doing now. You disagreed with them, meaning you don't think he should be respected for his service. I was wondering if that opinion extends to others who serve, since that (service) was what was being discussed.
  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »

    So are you saying that people who serve in our military don't deserve our respect and thanks for their service?

    Did you even read my post? Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

    The posters above you agreed that he should be honored specifically because of his service, regardless of who he is and what he's doing now. You disagreed with them, meaning you don't think he should be respected for his service. I was wondering if that opinion extends to others who serve, since that (service) was what was being discussed.

    No...I disagreed that he is a hero, and that he deserves any honor for his service. I don't know why you took that to indicate a punch to the military in general. I will assume that was just a misunderstanding of words.

    I have no problem with people serving in the military. I served once myself. I respect military members as much as police officers, firefighters, and others who undertake a particular career knowing full well the dangers involved. But, like Trenell said, even these people can sometimes be considered a disgrace. We shouldn't forget that soldiers are people too, and they aren't all perfect. Abu Ghraib, anyone?

    Also, I think it's dangerous to lavish so much respect on the military. While it's absolutely a welcome departure from the way we were treated during and after Vietnam, this "superhero status" that service members are enjoying is not always earned. I worry that elevating every veteran to such levels will push that person beyond reproach; just look at McCain. The vast majority of people are willing to overlook that fact that he destroyed four government aircraft, lied about his conduct, and was (even by his own account) a subpar officer who rode his father's coattails. Not to mention his abhorrent behavior as a POW. And then he gets out, becomes a politician, and promptly throws his fellow veterans and POWs under the bus. Unfortunately, though, nobody can publicly criticize him for what he's done without getting slammed by the conservative spin machine. "HEY! He was a POW! YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT!" Too bad John Kerry, Max Cleland, and others never received the same defense.
  • yagottaloveyacurlsyagottaloveyacurls Posts: 5,766Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    tantrum wrote: »

    Did you even read my post? Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

    The posters above you agreed that he should be honored specifically because of his service, regardless of who he is and what he's doing now. You disagreed with them, meaning you don't think he should be respected for his service. I was wondering if that opinion extends to others who serve, since that (service) was what was being discussed.

    No...I disagreed that he is a hero, and that he deserves any honor for his service. I don't know why you took that to indicate a punch to the military in general. I will assume that was just a misunderstanding of words.

    I have no problem with people serving in the military. I served once myself. I respect military members as much as police officers, firefighters, and others who undertake a particular career knowing full well the dangers involved. But, like Trenell said, even these people can sometimes be considered a disgrace. We shouldn't forget that soldiers are people too, and they aren't all perfect. Abu Ghraib, anyone?

    Also, I think it's dangerous to lavish so much respect on the military. While it's absolutely a welcome departure from the way we were treated during and after Vietnam, this "superhero status" that service members are enjoying is not always earned. I worry that elevating every veteran to such levels will push that person beyond reproach; just look at McCain. The vast majority of people are willing to overlook that fact that he destroyed four government aircraft, lied about his conduct, and was (even by his own account) a subpar officer who rode his father's coattails. Not to mention his abhorrent behavior as a POW. And then he gets out, becomes a politician, and promptly throws his fellow veterans and POWs under the bus. Unfortunately, though, nobody can publicly criticize him for what he's done without getting slammed by the conservative spin machine. "HEY! He was a POW! YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT!" Too bad John Kerry, Max Cleland, and others never received the same defense.

    tantrum, I agree with all that you've said. I esp. agree with the bolded.
  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
    Did anyone see this? The most comprehensive footage was released today. I thought it was pretty interesting. I can't even imagine being in that position.

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    I can't imagine why this was released. seriously, I wonder if there was a motive behind this or what? Really moving though...
    It's not really politics-related per say, I just thought it was interesting. Not trying to start a debate :)

    really hard to watch. I do wonder why it was released though...
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  • susancnwsusancnw Posts: 1,366Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »

    The posters above you agreed that he should be honored specifically because of his service, regardless of who he is and what he's doing now. You disagreed with them, meaning you don't think he should be respected for his service. I was wondering if that opinion extends to others who serve, since that (service) was what was being discussed.

    No...I disagreed that he is a hero, and that he deserves any honor for his service. I don't know why you took that to indicate a punch to the military in general. I will assume that was just a misunderstanding of words.

    I have no problem with people serving in the military. I served once myself. I respect military members as much as police officers, firefighters, and others who undertake a particular career knowing full well the dangers involved. But, like Trenell said, even these people can sometimes be considered a disgrace. We shouldn't forget that soldiers are people too, and they aren't all perfect. Abu Ghraib, anyone?

    Also, I think it's dangerous to lavish so much respect on the military. While it's absolutely a welcome departure from the way we were treated during and after Vietnam, this "superhero status" that service members are enjoying is not always earned. I worry that elevating every veteran to such levels will push that person beyond reproach; just look at McCain. The vast majority of people are willing to overlook that fact that he destroyed four government aircraft, lied about his conduct, and was (even by his own account) a subpar officer who rode his father's coattails. Not to mention his abhorrent behavior as a POW. And then he gets out, becomes a politician, and promptly throws his fellow veterans and POWs under the bus. Unfortunately, though, nobody can publicly criticize him for what he's done without getting slammed by the conservative spin machine. "HEY! He was a POW! YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT!" Too bad John Kerry, Max Cleland, and others never received the same defense.

    tantrum, I agree with all that you've said. I esp. agree with the bolded.

    Boy, I'm not going near this one...the top of my head will come off and I'll get banned.
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  • SleighSleigh Posts: 1,226Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    tantrum wrote: »

    Did you even read my post? Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

    The posters above you agreed that he should be honored specifically because of his service, regardless of who he is and what he's doing now. You disagreed with them, meaning you don't think he should be respected for his service. I was wondering if that opinion extends to others who serve, since that (service) was what was being discussed.

    No...I disagreed that he is a hero, and that he deserves any honor for his service. I don't know why you took that to indicate a punch to the military in general. I will assume that was just a misunderstanding of words.

    I have no problem with people serving in the military. I served once myself. I respect military members as much as police officers, firefighters, and others who undertake a particular career knowing full well the dangers involved. But, like Trenell said, even these people can sometimes be considered a disgrace. We shouldn't forget that soldiers are people too, and they aren't all perfect. Abu Ghraib, anyone?

    Also, I think it's dangerous to lavish so much respect on the military. While it's absolutely a welcome departure from the way we were treated during and after Vietnam, this "superhero status" that service members are enjoying is not always earned. I worry that elevating every veteran to such levels will push that person beyond reproach; just look at McCain. The vast majority of people are willing to overlook that fact that he destroyed four government aircraft, lied about his conduct, and was (even by his own account) a subpar officer who rode his father's coattails. Not to mention his abhorrent behavior as a POW. And then he gets out, becomes a politician, and promptly throws his fellow veterans and POWs under the bus. Unfortunately, though, nobody can publicly criticize him for what he's done without getting slammed by the conservative spin machine. "HEY! He was a POW! YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT!" Too bad John Kerry, Max Cleland, and others never received the same defense.

    why do you think it was abhorrent?

    how should a POW act?
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  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    susancnw wrote: »
    Boy, I'm not going near this one...the top of my head will come off and I'll get banned.

    You won't come near it, but you'll stand at a distance and poke it, right? Like you're doing right now?
  • yagottaloveyacurlsyagottaloveyacurls Posts: 5,766Registered Users
    susancnw wrote: »
    tantrum wrote: »

    No...I disagreed that he is a hero, and that he deserves any honor for his service. I don't know why you took that to indicate a punch to the military in general. I will assume that was just a misunderstanding of words.

    I have no problem with people serving in the military. I served once myself. I respect military members as much as police officers, firefighters, and others who undertake a particular career knowing full well the dangers involved. But, like Trenell said, even these people can sometimes be considered a disgrace. We shouldn't forget that soldiers are people too, and they aren't all perfect. Abu Ghraib, anyone?

    Also, I think it's dangerous to lavish so much respect on the military. While it's absolutely a welcome departure from the way we were treated during and after Vietnam, this "superhero status" that service members are enjoying is not always earned. I worry that elevating every veteran to such levels will push that person beyond reproach; just look at McCain. The vast majority of people are willing to overlook that fact that he destroyed four government aircraft, lied about his conduct, and was (even by his own account) a subpar officer who rode his father's coattails. Not to mention his abhorrent behavior as a POW. And then he gets out, becomes a politician, and promptly throws his fellow veterans and POWs under the bus. Unfortunately, though, nobody can publicly criticize him for what he's done without getting slammed by the conservative spin machine. "HEY! He was a POW! YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT HIM LIKE THAT!" Too bad John Kerry, Max Cleland, and others never received the same defense.

    tantrum, I agree with all that you've said. I esp. agree with the bolded.

    Boy, I'm not going near this one...the top of my head will come off and I'll get banned.

    Why? I have military folks in my family just like you. If anything, you should agree with the sentiment above, not disagree. Military personnel are not above the law. I think that was the main point tantrum was trying to make. It's the same type of thing with police officers.... of course, we respect their JOB, but respect for the JOB and respect for a person DOING the job should be based on an individual basis. There are lots of great Officers out there. My Father-in-law being one of them. But there are plenty of awful ones, too... and you have to keep your eyes open and be aware of any bad apples in the crate. Like I said, respect for the JOB. Part of the respect for the job is NOT lavishing respect and praise willy nilly on EVERYONE who DOES that particular job.

    There are good soldiers and there are bad soldiers.
    Just like with everything else in this world.
    I'm not going to instantly lavish respect and praise all over someone that I don't know just because they are a soldier. What if that person is a bad soldier?

    Sorry, I don't believe in blind patriotism, I don't believe in forced pledges of allegiance, and I don't instantly put all soldiers on pedestals. I have no problem putting a lot of soldiers on pedestals and praising them for their unselfish service to this country. But that umbrella doesn't instantly cover everyone in the military. And it shouldn't.

    Call me unpatriotic, if you wish. But those are my views.
  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    Sleigh wrote: »
    why do you think it was abhorrent?

    how should a POW act?

    Good point, I should have been more specific. I meant how he acts as a former POW - not so much how he acted during his captivity. I think he made it through captivity as best he could under the circumstances. He knew they weren't going to kill him because he was an Admiral's son, and I think he still feels guilty about that, but I really can't hold that against him. It's what he's done to his fellow POWs that upsets me. He wasn't the only one who was captured and tortured, but you wouldn't know it from the way he talks. He makes himself out to be some sort of hero just because he survived torture. What about all the others who suffered and died right there with him? He wouldn't even help bring them home :(. And that just makes me want to cry.
  • battinlashbattinlash Posts: 1,850Registered Users
    yagotta, you summed up my feelings exactly.
  • SleighSleigh Posts: 1,226Registered Users
    tantrum wrote: »
    Sleigh wrote: »
    why do you think it was abhorrent?

    how should a POW act?

    Good point, I should have been more specific. I meant how he acts as a former POW - not so much how he acted during his captivity. I think he made it through captivity as best he could under the circumstances. He knew they weren't going to kill him because he was an Admiral's son, and I think he still feels guilty about that, but I really can't hold that against him. It's what he's done to his fellow POWs that upsets me. He wasn't the only one who was captured and tortured, but you wouldn't know it from the way he talks. He makes himself out to be some sort of hero just because he survived torture. What about all the others who suffered and died right there with him? He wouldn't even help bring them home :(. And that just makes me want to cry.

    thanks for clarifying. that makes more sense to me -

    i am not sure that i entirely agree - but that seems like more of a valid point than pow etiquette :D
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