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MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
Is anyone else as concerned as I am that McCain isn't being very open with his medical records? There are certain things we all know about, like his four bouts with malignant melanoma, and his age, and the fact that he was held hostage for five years and that sort of inevitably comes with some psychological repercussions. But he won't give his medical records up for anyone to have a good long look at. What's that about? Can anyone defend that?
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    Yeah, I'm concerned about it. It's the reason I've been hitting on Palin so hard. For all we know, McCain could have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel, and we could be stuck with the bimbo.

    To anyone voting for McCain...vote for a 72 year old man with a history of FOUR bouts of melanoma at our peril.
  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    Yeah, I'm concerned about it. It's the reason I've been hitting on Palin so hard. For all we know, McCain could have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel, and we could be stuck with the bimbo.

    To anyone voting for McCain...vote for a 72 year old man with a history of FOUR bouts of melanoma at our peril.

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    He should be more open with his medical records.
  • lacunaCoilslacunaCoils Posts: 489Registered Users
    Yeah, I'm concerned about it. It's the reason I've been hitting on Palin so hard. For all we know, McCain could have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel, and we could be stuck with the bimbo.

    To anyone voting for McCain...vote for a 72 year old man with a history of FOUR bouts of melanoma at our peril.

    No kidding, they REALLY need to consider who is filling in for him. It's not a joke, it's just plain frightening. With how she is an advocate for killing animals, drilling away our environment, and being just plain clueless, I am frightened for the world in general if she becomes president. :sad:
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  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    I think that enlargement on the side of McCain's face is getting bigger. Doesn't look too healthy to me.
  • CurlyGina2CurlyGina2 Posts: 1,048Registered Users
    I'm wondering what is on those psych records. How much privacy does the POTUS deserve?
  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    CurlyGina2 wrote: »
    I'm wondering what is on those psych records. How much privacy does the POTUS deserve?

    IMO, not that much. This isn't just a regular job being applied for; this is the leader of the country. We need to know what we're getting into when we put our safety and leadership in the hands of one person. I think the individual's health is very relevant to their ability to do the job.
    "And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
    Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
    Stolen.
  • NayaNaya Posts: 922Registered Users
    Yeah, I'm concerned about it. It's the reason I've been hitting on Palin so hard. For all we know, McCain could have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel, and we could be stuck with the bimbo.

    To anyone voting for McCain...vote for a 72 year old man with a history of FOUR bouts of melanoma at our peril.

    No kidding, they REALLY need to consider who is filling in for him. It's not a joke, it's just plain frightening. With how she is an advocate for killing animals, drilling away our environment, and being just plain clueless, I am frightened for the world in general if she becomes president. :sad:

    THANK YOU! Someone said it. I'm so utterly disgusted by the idea that she's PRO killing animals. :banghead: Not for food but for sport, that's just cruel beyond belief!

    But then she and McCain whine about abortion and being pro-life. Who's life? Only the rich and fetuses? (or is the plural form of that word feti?:dontknow:)

    Bah!Also the fact that's he's not willing to release them probably means he knows hes going to die soon and this is some kind of prank on the US for when he goes, lol.
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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    I think it should be mandatory they release their medical records once they have been nominated (I would go for even during the primaries but I am sure that is pushing it!). Somehow this country has forgotten who the government is for - it's for the people - all of the people. It has become elitist. They truly do not think they have to answer to the people. But I don't like the whole election process (electoral votes etc). It should be truly a popular vote.
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  • lacunaCoilslacunaCoils Posts: 489Registered Users
    Naya wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm concerned about it. It's the reason I've been hitting on Palin so hard. For all we know, McCain could have one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel, and we could be stuck with the bimbo.


    To anyone voting for McCain...vote for a 72 year old man with a history of FOUR bouts of melanoma at our peril.

    No kidding, they REALLY need to consider who is filling in for him. It's not a joke, it's just plain frightening. With how she is an advocate for killing animals, drilling away our environment, and being just plain clueless, I am frightened for the world in general if she becomes president. :sad:

    THANK YOU! Someone said it. I'm so utterly disgusted by the idea that she's PRO killing animals. :banghead: Not for food but for sport, that's just cruel beyond belief!

    But then she and McCain whine about abortion and being pro-life. Who's life? Only the rich and fetuses? (or is the plural form of that word feti?:dontknow:)

    Bah!Also the fact that's he's not willing to release them probably means he knows hes going to die soon and this is some kind of prank on the US for when he goes, lol.

    Exactly my thoughts on it too. I'm not against hunting for food, but for sport, it's just disgusting! I hate that they call themselves pro-life- I think they are anti-abortion- and that's it! I don't like abortion either unless there is a good reason, but I don't think it is necessary to ban it.
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  • Myradella3Myradella3 Posts: 2,481Registered Users
    I thought he had released more detailed records than Obama?
  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    I thought he had released more detailed records than Obama?


    It's my understanding that he released about 1200 pages of medical records to a group of reporters but allowed them only three hours to review it. That was months ago. And no one was permitted any electronic devices or note-taking materials. How anyone could be expected to dig through 1200 pages of medical material in three hours and get anything meaningful out of it, I have no idea.
    "And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
    Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
    Stolen.
  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    Myradella3 wrote: »
    I thought he had released more detailed records than Obama?


    It's my understanding that he released about 1200 pages of medical records to a group of reporters but allowed them only three hours to review it. That was months ago. And no one was permitted any electronic devices or note-taking materials. How anyone could be expected to dig through 1200 pages of medical material in three hours and get anything meaningful out of it, I have no idea.


    That's true...they were given 3 hours to look through it, no notes or recordings of any kind allowed, AND, his most recent medical records relating to his melanoma cancer were not included.

    I think the man is dying of cancer and is keeping it secret. He wants to go out as President, and he doesn't care what he has to do to get there.
  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    CurlyGina2 wrote: »
    I think that enlargement on the side of McCain's face is getting bigger. Doesn't look too healthy to me.

    That has been bothering me too.
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  • NayaNaya Posts: 922Registered Users
    Naya wrote: »

    No kidding, they REALLY need to consider who is filling in for him. It's not a joke, it's just plain frightening. With how she is an advocate for killing animals, drilling away our environment, and being just plain clueless, I am frightened for the world in general if she becomes president. :sad:

    THANK YOU! Someone said it. I'm so utterly disgusted by the idea that she's PRO killing animals. :banghead: Not for food but for sport, that's just cruel beyond belief!

    But then she and McCain whine about abortion and being pro-life. Who's life? Only the rich and fetuses? (or is the plural form of that word feti?:dontknow:)

    Bah!Also the fact that's he's not willing to release them probably means he knows hes going to die soon and this is some kind of prank on the US for when he goes, lol.

    Exactly my thoughts on it too. I'm not against hunting for food, but for sport, it's just disgusting! I hate that they call themselves pro-life- I think they are anti-abortion- and that's it! I don't like abortion either unless there is a good reason, but I don't think it is necessary to ban it.


    I'm definitely not pro abortion, I just don't think the government should be allowed to tell someone if they can or can't have one. Rather I like it or not... it's none of my business what Mrs. Random Lady decided to do with her body, IMO.
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  • BoomygrrlBoomygrrl Posts: 4,940Registered Users
    I think Biden recently released his medical records because I remember hearing something about them questioning whether he had follow-up MRI's for his surgery for a brain aneurysm twenty years ago. A spokesman for his doctor confirmed he had follow up appointments (MRI - not sure, but appointments).

    I hope McCain follows his lead.
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  • amy51373amy51373 Posts: 1,204Registered Users Curl Novice
    CurlyGina2 wrote: »
    I think that enlargement on the side of McCain's face is getting bigger. Doesn't look too healthy to me.

    I had a lady stop by my house last night for the Obama campaign and she said the same thing. I haven't really paid attention but I am curious how much bigger it's getting. Now I'll be scoping out McCains face.

    I know we hear about the Presidents annual physicals you would think it would be something we'd hear about with the nominees.
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  • mad scientistmad scientist Posts: 3,530Registered Users
    See, I'm not so sure about this. I really feel like your medical records should be private, even for the POTUS. They should submit to a physical and be given a clean bill of health, but beyond that, I just don't think its our business.

    DH was telling me that Sarah Palin hasn't released her medical records. I'm sympathetic as a woman. I wouldn't want all the details of my pregnancies and girlie issues all out there in the public.
  • AmandacurlsAmandacurls Posts: 6,252Registered Users
    See, I'm not so sure about this. I really feel like your medical records should be private, even for the POTUS. They should submit to a physical and be given a clean bill of health, but beyond that, I just don't think its our business.

    DH was telling me that Sarah Palin hasn't released her medical records. I'm sympathetic as a woman. I wouldn't want all the details of my pregnancies and girlie issues all out there in the public.

    ITA. I agree with the idea of a physical, and they all get examined by the same doctor, that way there's no catering to them or stretching of the truth by their normal physician. I wouldn't want everything in my medical records out there for the world to see either.
  • MichelleBFTMichelleBFT Posts: 4,812Registered Users
    See, I'm not so sure about this. I really feel like your medical records should be private, even for the POTUS. They should submit to a physical and be given a clean bill of health, but beyond that, I just don't think its our business.

    DH was telling me that Sarah Palin hasn't released her medical records. I'm sympathetic as a woman. I wouldn't want all the details of my pregnancies and girlie issues all out there in the public.

    ITA. I agree with the idea of a physical, and they all get examined by the same doctor, that way there's no catering to them or stretching of the truth by their normal physician. I wouldn't want everything in my medical records out there for the world to see either.

    I'd take at least a letter from his doc saying he's copacetic and doesn't have any serious ailments. Thing is, I doubt they can do that. I have very real doubts that he's in good health, definitely not good enough health to take on leadership of the free world. It's my understanding he's been diagnosed with PTSD, which makes for a somewhat volatile mental state. He's had malignant cancer four times, once as recently at 2004. There's been much discussion about a growth on his face that appears to be growing. That's not such a great sign, if you ask me. I want to know what's going on, and I think the American people have a right to know.
    "And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
    Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    There was a petition signed by 3,000 doctors, many of them prominant doctors, asking for REAL medical records from McCain. He hasn't satisfied them that he is healthy enough for office either:

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  • mycolorfulheartmycolorfulheart Posts: 158Registered Users
    See, I'm not so sure about this. I really feel like your medical records should be private, even for the POTUS. They should submit to a physical and be given a clean bill of health, but beyond that, I just don't think its our business.

    DH was telling me that Sarah Palin hasn't released her medical records. I'm sympathetic as a woman. I wouldn't want all the details of my pregnancies and girlie issues all out there in the public.

    I don't like the idea of everyone's med records being required to be out in the open. I think it would be even more unfair to women politicians; if they have a cosmetic surgery, they're "shallow", if they go on birth control, they're a nympho, if they have an abortion, they're THE DEVIL. Not cool.

    I do think that McCain's health problems are a big issue and should be talked about more in the media. I like the idea of a doctor (or panel of doctors) giving him a clean bill of health, or no bill of health. Same with the other candidates--Biden's pretty old and Obama and Palin could have a life threatening disease. We just don't know. :confused2:
  • Skram1113Skram1113 Posts: 365Registered Users
    Honestly, I'm all for everyday citizens' medical records being private, but when you put yourself out there for office, you need to be willing to put it ALL on the line. As demonstrated by the Lewinsky issues of Clinton's presidency, there is NOTHING personal once you reach the presidential office, so candidates should be MORE than willing to lay it all out there. No secrets. I'm sorry but a potential President (not that I think McCain has ANY potential) shouldn't hide ANYTHING. If he's got stuff to hide, then he should go into hiding; get out of the spotlight, and give us a new candidate that won't threaten us with death early into the presidency, and an incompetent, intolerant replacement.

    Ugh, I'm sorry but I'm just TIRED of this election. All the "fun" new technicalities that Palin and McCain have created, placing preconditions on media coverage of interviews, putting a time limit on the examination of medical records... ugh its ridiculous. Give me a break! These people clearly can't be trusted, someone PLEASE tell me WHY there's still the possibility of their election into office!!! :banghead:

    Btw- Maybe that growth on McCain's face grows like Pinocchio's nose: it grows every time he lies!!! pinnochio.gif
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  • NayaNaya Posts: 922Registered Users
    See, I'm not so sure about this. I really feel like your medical records should be private, even for the POTUS. They should submit to a physical and be given a clean bill of health, but beyond that, I just don't think its our business.

    DH was telling me that Sarah Palin hasn't released her medical records. I'm sympathetic as a woman. I wouldn't want all the details of my pregnancies and girlie issues all out there in the public.


    In regular every day life I agree with you. However, when you voluntarily take a public position, you unfortunately are now available to any and all public speculation. If she wanted privacy she should chocse a different field, a nice office job. No one asked me for my medical records. :):toothy10:
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  • ScrappyTamScrappyTam Posts: 470Registered Users
    Skram1113 wrote: »
    Honestly, I'm all for everyday citizens' medical records being private, but when you put yourself out there for office, you need to be willing to put it ALL on the line.

    I totally agree. McCain, or any other candidate for that matter, could have ANY number of terminal illnesses and its not right to offer yourself up to one of the most powerful positions in the world without disclosing that information. The public should know if there are ANY problems with a candidate's health that could adversely affect their service. Then, based on that information, I could make an informed decision about a candidate.


    I said somewhere else, my belief is that McCain doesn't want his records out b/c it would show how bad his PTSD really is. And yes, I do worry about the person having the authority to start a nuclear war while dealing with mental issues, especially when those issues were caused by another war. Not a good combination.
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  • eche428eche428 Posts: 2,782Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Skram1113 wrote: »
    Btw- Maybe that growth on McCain's face grows like Pinocchio's nose: it grows every time he lies!!! pinnochio.gif

    It's funny (scary) 'cause it's true! :roll: :goofy: :sad11:
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    ScrappyTam wrote: »
    Skram1113 wrote: »
    Honestly, I'm all for everyday citizens' medical records being private, but when you put yourself out there for office, you need to be willing to put it ALL on the line.

    I totally agree. McCain, or any other candidate for that matter, could have ANY number of terminal illnesses and its not right to offer yourself up to one of the most powerful positions in the world without disclosing that information. The public should know if there are ANY problems with a candidate's health that could adversely affect their service. Then, based on that information, I could make an informed decision about a candidate.


    I said somewhere else, my belief is that McCain doesn't want his records out b/c it would show how bad his PTSD really is. And yes, I do worry about the person having the authority to start a nuclear war while dealing with mental issues, especially when those issues were caused by another war. Not a good combination.

    Cindy said her husband doesn't have PTSD and has never been treated for mental health issues.

    So there, you have your answer.:goofy:
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  • RedCatWavesRedCatWaves Posts: 31,258Registered Users
    ScrappyTam wrote: »
    Skram1113 wrote: »
    Honestly, I'm all for everyday citizens' medical records being private, but when you put yourself out there for office, you need to be willing to put it ALL on the line.

    I totally agree. McCain, or any other candidate for that matter, could have ANY number of terminal illnesses and its not right to offer yourself up to one of the most powerful positions in the world without disclosing that information. The public should know if there are ANY problems with a candidate's health that could adversely affect their service. Then, based on that information, I could make an informed decision about a candidate.


    I said somewhere else, my belief is that McCain doesn't want his records out b/c it would show how bad his PTSD really is. And yes, I do worry about the person having the authority to start a nuclear war while dealing with mental issues, especially when those issues were caused by another war. Not a good combination.

    Cindy said her husband doesn't have PTSD and has never been treated for mental health issues.

    So there, you have your answer.:goofy:


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  • ScrappyTamScrappyTam Posts: 470Registered Users

    Cindy said her husband doesn't have PTSD and has never been treated for mental health issues.

    The man spent 5 1/2 years as a POW and he doesn't have any mental issues??? Sorry, don't believe it. Not for a second.

    My grandfather fought in WWII, after that he could not stand the sight or sounds of fireworks. It reminded him too much of the war. He wasn't even a POW and he still had issues dealing with what he saw. I have no clue if he suffered from other issues as well.

    Look at all of our current soldiers, coming back home from Iraq. They haven't endured 5 1/2 years of being held prisoner and many of them are having issues.

    So, to me, he's either lying about how tough it was there or he's lying about his mental state. My money is on the mental state issue.
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  • mad scientistmad scientist Posts: 3,530Registered Users
    Skram1113 wrote: »
    Honestly, I'm all for everyday citizens' medical records being private, but when you put yourself out there for office, you need to be willing to put it ALL on the line.

    I know what you are saying, but still.... this isn't a life-long position. He is running for a 4 year term in office. People with melanoma like his might die tomorrow or may live for another 15 years. Obama could crump from a heart attack or brain aneurysm tomorrow. No doctor can say with certainty who is or isn't going to be healthy for the next 4 years.

    As for PTSD, maybe he has it, maybe he doesn't. He's been in the public eye for many many years and isn't exactly a hermit. His personality is well known. I don't need a formal diagnosis of anything to tell me that he's a mean, erratic guy.
  • Skram1113Skram1113 Posts: 365Registered Users
    Skram1113 wrote: »
    Honestly, I'm all for everyday citizens' medical records being private, but when you put yourself out there for office, you need to be willing to put it ALL on the line.

    I know what you are saying, but still.... this isn't a life-long position. He is running for a 4 year term in office. People with melanoma like his might die tomorrow or may live for another 15 years. Obama could crump from a heart attack or brain aneurysm tomorrow. No doctor can say with certainty who is or isn't going to be healthy for the next 4 years.

    As for PTSD, maybe he has it, maybe he doesn't. He's been in the public eye for many many years and isn't exactly a hermit. His personality is well known. I don't need a formal diagnosis of anything to tell me that he's a mean, erratic guy.

    Truthfully, I don't think anyone running for POTUS or anyone who is actually elected is a private citizen anymore. McCain could (THEORETICALLY) live for another 20 years, but in the 4 years that he may be president I think the American people have the right to know EVERYTHING about him. All this secrecy seems indicative of something bad, don't you agree?

    PTSD is an anxiety disorder, its not really related to his bad personality. I think that McCain's nastiness is entirely related to his drive to win at all costs. IMO McCain is bothered by the fact that 1) Republicans are in pretty bad standing with the rest of the country right now, 2) Obama is young, very liberal, and has remained calm through all of McCain's smear campaigning, and is STILL ahead of him; and 3) McCain's "ace in the hole" turned out to be a giant, gaping void (Palin).
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