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why does magnesium sulfate make my hair curl so well?

Does anyone know?

And does anyone know of an equally effective natural equivalant? My hair absolutely cannot tolerate the mag sulfate after a day or two. But it works so darn well that first day!!!!
3a & hates mag sulfates
currently using:
AOHR
Mop Top Shampoo or Eulence 1x week
KBB nectar leave-in with KCCC

Comments

  • lebanesecurlylebanesecurly Posts: 161Registered Users
    Have you tried using a rotation? That helped me back when I was in love with Noodlehead curl creme.
    claiming a 2c/3aMiii
    growing my hair out to BSL
    & mod-CG as of 9/1/08 :blob5:
    Low-poo: VitaminShampoo pomegranate+blackberry
    'Poo to clarify: BTZ Noodlehead
    Condish: GVP Conditioning Balm
    Stylers: LOOB! GVP Detangler, HESMU
    Put away for winter: PMRT, TW, LVPNG

    On the rare occasion that I straighten: leave-in V05 vanilla mint, 3-in-1, and Tizz no Frizz
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  • xcptnlxcptnl Posts: 15,678Registered Users
    I dunno but it sure hates my hair. I love the curls I get - absolutely amazing. In fact I almost used jessicurl today but made myself not do it. I can only use it one day and by the end of the day - frizz city but lots of curls under all the frizz. And I am not one to have a lot of frizz normally.
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  • fskatergirlfskatergirl Posts: 244Registered Users
    Here's my take on the subject...
    Part of the reason that curly hair does just that, curl, is because of its structure - it contains disulfide bonds which cause it to bend this way and that way. Because Magnesium Sulfate contains sulfate, it strengthens or forms more of those disulfide bonds which causes hair to appear curlier.
  • rymorg2rymorg2 Posts: 2,571Registered Users
    I'm a stylist....fskatergirl is absolutely right, but as to your question about a natural alternative, Mag. sulfate IS natural, all it is is epsom salt. Jessicurl is the most natural product you're likely to find with it in it. You could always try making your own curl spray with it in it.
    Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
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    LI: varies, usually KCKT
    Stylers: KCCC, CRNCM, UFDCM, Curls gel, ecostyler

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  • MimsTXMimsTX Posts: 3,482Registered Users Curl Neophyte
    Here's my take on the subject...
    Part of the reason that curl hair does just that, curl, is because of its structure - it contains disulfide bonds which cause it to bend this way and that way. Because Magnesium Sulfate contains sulfate, it strengthens or forms more of those disulfide bonds which causes hair to appear curlier.

    that makes so much sense... you're a genius! :)
    CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
    CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
    Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
    Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
    HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
  • sophiemolsophiemol Posts: 101Registered Users
    thanks for all of the replies and explanations....I didn't realize that mag sulfate was epsom salt....that's very interesting....I just wish it didn't dry out my hair so darn much...I've been playing around with using it over top of Sheam and with other massively moisturizing products, but it doesn't seem to be counteracting the drying...
    3a & hates mag sulfates
    currently using:
    AOHR
    Mop Top Shampoo or Eulence 1x week
    KBB nectar leave-in with KCCC
  • marinacurlzmarinacurlz Posts: 1,720Registered Users
    Freeman makes a nice spray that has mag sulfate and is CG I believe(I think it has a peg in it) and it smells awesome. It's under $5
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    3B w/3A underneath

    Medium texture
    Average porosity

    Crazy-picky hair; likes some oils and proteins, but not others, can tolerate some glycerin.

    Current products-
    Co-wash: Suave/Vo5/TJ Refresh
    Rinse out & Leave in: Suave Tropical Coconut/Garnier Triple Nutrition
    Gel: Herbal Essences Set Me Up/Aussie Tizz No Frizz
  • mamaherreramamaherrera Posts: 884Registered Users
    would still be interesting though to learn about some other alternatives that work to give curl because some of us just can't handle that mag sulfate. Are there any other natural stuff that can be used???
    2c
    Medium texture
    Normal porosity
    Normal elasticity
    can get weighed down with lots of oils
    Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
    Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
    Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
    Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
    Gel: Kiss my face gel
    DT:Jessicurl
    Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
    working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
  • curlyserfcurlyserf Posts: 858Registered Users
    Some people use magnesium oil instead. It seems to enhance curls just as well without being as drying. Kathymack sells samples if you want to try it.

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    color treated

    CURRENTLY USING:
    cleanse:Organix Vanilla Silk, Use Me Cleansing Cream
    rinse out/li:Ion Effective Care, Tresseme Naturals Radiant Volume (both with NPF added)
    stylers:Curl Keeper, UFD Curly Magic, & Alba Botanicals Strong Hold Gel
    PT:CJ Repair Me

    mod CG since August 2010
  • CurlyMomCurlyMom Posts: 334Registered Users
    You can buy mag oil at many health food stores. It doesn't cost much, about $4 for a 4 oz bottle. Its really good to add to a bath too, very relaxing and is great if you have sore muscles.
    2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
  • mamaherreramamaherrera Posts: 884Registered Users
    I will keep this in mind, but as for the hair to get curl enhancing work, where in my regimen would I put it? With curl enhancing jelly, gel, where???And it won't make it more weighed down, my hair I mean? :love2:
    2c
    Medium texture
    Normal porosity
    Normal elasticity
    can get weighed down with lots of oils
    Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
    Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
    Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
    Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
    Gel: Kiss my face gel
    DT:Jessicurl
    Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
    working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go
  • curlypearlcurlypearl Posts: 11,970Registered Users Curl Novice
    I'm interested in this as well. I just wonder whether it isn't the sulfate that causes the curl - and the dryness. :confused:
    2/c Coarse hair med. density.
    Highly porous. Color over grey.
    I love all the Curl Junkie products. Still experimenting with gels and curl creams. Still hoping for 2nd day hair....
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  • aherbertzaherbertz Posts: 19Registered Users
    I recently made a hair spray with water, about 2 tablespoons of conditioner and 1/2 teaspoon of epsom salts. I put it all in a 12 oz. spray bottle I recycled from some other product. I spray it on my hair right before I put on my products. I use this every other day to see how my hair reacts. So far I'm liking the result. Will be thinking about adding 1 teaspoon of honey to see how it works when the dews are down a little.
    3A, highlighted layered shoulder length
    Texture: Fine Porosity: Normal Elasticity: Normal
    Low poo: ABBA Pure Color Protect sulfate free poo
    Co-wash: VO5 Blackberry Sage Tea and Strawberries and Cream
    RO: Tresemme Naturals. Once a week mix this with a little AO GPN to give me a protein boost.
    Styling: KCCC, Homemade Flax Seed Gelee, Aquage Defining Gel; BB Flax Gelee
  • SusieSuzeSusieSuze Posts: 524Registered Users
    I've been wondering about this too.

    I go on a NO SULFATE regime.. the CG method.. because sulfates are bad for my hair, right?

    I know that when I am in other areas where the water is hard and full of minerals, my hair has amazing curl!

    So my question is, what minerals can I add safely? I'm thinking the magnesium oil may be one? I wish it was as easy as adding epsom salts but I'm thinking if I'm going to do that, I might as well start using shampoo again.
  • beautifulRainbeautifulRain Posts: 189Registered Users
    Check this stuff out: Ion Moisturizing Treatment. My hair loves it as a leave-in and it has mag sulfate (although low in the list). It is CG and very moisturizing too. It also smells nice, but not very strong. :) I think it is my fave leave-in right now. Oils, protein, mag sulfate, oh my! :love7:

    Ion - Moisture Solutions - Ion Moisturizing Treatment 12 oz.

    Water (Aqua, Eau), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Quaternium-18, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Stearalkonium Chloride, Panthenol, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Zea Mays (Corn) Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, PEG-5 Soy Sterol, PEG-10 Soy Sterol, Stearamine Oxide, Magnesium Sulfate, Imidazolidinyl Urea, DMDM Hydantoin, Propylene Glycol, Methylparaben, Citric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Yellow 5 (CI 19140), Red 40 (CI 16035), Benzyl Benzoate, Limonene
    3a/b 'curly bob' in the mid-Atlantic. Goal: more 3b than 3a. CG Oct 2010.

    Low-poo: Giovanni TTTT, Ion Swim
    Co-wash: V05 Shea Cashmere
    Rinse-out: SalonCare Apples & Pears, Tresemme Naturals
    Leave-in: Cure Care, Ion Moisturizing Treatment
    Stylers: Ecostyler Argan Oil, LALSG, LBLOC, Hold It! Wave Maker, LAL Beachy Waves Spray Gel. Also been using my diffuser more lately.
    PT: Ion Reconstructor
    DT: GVP Balm, Pure Elements Intense Repairing Treatment
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  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    I'm hoping AIgirl or another knowledgable poster comes on here! I can tell you that mag sulfate and sodium lauryl sulfate and the like are not the same thing. I can't explain why, however! Lol!

    But a lot of cg curlies use Epsom, so you should be fine. ODing on it can be drying, though.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
  • Jas76Jas76 Posts: 2,283Registered Users
    Whoops! Just noticed there already WERE some responses explaining it! Lol!

    A hint that has helped me - a good LI under it helps, and then scrunching in some light oil after its dry helps, too!!

    And yes - don't use it everyday of you find it particularly drying.
    2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

    Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
    clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
    Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
    RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
    LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
    Seal - MO or Jojoba
    DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
    PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
    Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
    Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing